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00:56 diakopter from nqp, I'm trying to print to stderr using a pir:: call; pir::printerr__vS isn't working; any tips?
01:01 bacek_at_work diakopter, try something like 'my $e := pir::getstderr__p(); pir::print__vPS($e, "message")'
01:01 bacek_at_work diakopter, printerr is dynop and you have to load io_ops beforehand
01:01 diakopter ooo
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02:51 dukeleto ~~
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03:35 alvis dukeleto: ping
04:11 dukeleto alvis: pong
04:11 alvis oh, hey!  Just had a coupl'a questions.
04:12 dukeleto alvis: go for it
04:12 alvis Sorry ... give me just a sec please.
04:13 alvis ok ... back.
04:14 alvis my question is, should a create a separate branch for the docs? Or just keep it all in '/docs'?
04:15 alvis I'm not sure I understand precisely what benabik meant with, keeping the docs with the code, so I'm gonna email 'im, if he's not on channel now.
04:16 alvis make that, "i create a ..."
04:20 dukeleto alvis: there are a lot of docs. which are you talking about?
04:20 dukeleto alvis: are you writing new docs? changing old docs?
04:21 alvis sorry to be unclear.  primarily, something like the manuals.
04:21 dukeleto alvis: yes, make a branch :)
04:21 dukeleto alvis: make a branch for everything
04:21 dukeleto alvis: in your local repo: git checkout -b my_docs_branch
04:21 alvis ahh, ok.  that makes sense to me as well.
04:21 dukeleto alvis: will create my_docs_branch
04:22 alvis right. i just wasn't sure about the "keep the docs close to the code" statement.
04:23 alvis next, what is the policy on taking over an old, defunct project?  Specifically, Kea-CL.
04:23 alvis I've sent Bob Rogers a coupl'a emails to no avail, so ....
04:24 alvis I'd really like to see it cleaned up and running on Parrot.  It's a long-term kinda thing, but ....
04:43 alvis Just to be clear: I'm NOT asking to make it a part of the parrot repository.  I'm just asking as a general matter.
04:44 alvis Don't want to violate any policies or rules of which I am unaware.
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05:45 dukeleto alvis: i would say, grab the kea-cl code and start hacking on it
05:45 dukeleto alvis: nobody has touched it in a long time
05:47 alvis dukeleto: Ok, thanks.  Just didn't want to break any policies or violate some unwritten rule of which I am unaware.
05:47 alvis dukeleto: Besides, he did a lot of very, very good work.  I hate to see it lost.
05:49 alvis dukeleto: one last thing (then i'm done for the evening): I assigned myself to migrate docs.parrot.org to Github pages.
06:13 dukeleto alvis: awesome! good luck reviving kea-cl! document the process so others can learn from it :)
06:13 * dukeleto .sleep()
06:27 cotto ~~
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11:17 dalek rakudo/nom: 11e836e | moritz++ | src/Perl6/SymbolTable.pm:
11:17 dalek rakudo/nom: use more nqp:: ops in SymbolTable
11:17 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/11e836e1e2
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12:20 whiteknight good morning, #parrot
12:27 moritz good morning whiteknight
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12:32 Coke msg alvis "keep the docs near the code" is shorthand for "don't create separate documentation files in a different location from the code you're documenting." for tutorials this doesn't make sense. for APIs it makes some sense. (so, the .ops files might want to keep their docs inline, as now, and have a build step that extracts it (as now))
12:32 aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
12:37 moritz also I think it means "don't put it into a separate repository", so that the pained developer only needs to keep one repo up-to-date
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12:48 dalek Heuristic branch merge: pushed 20 commits to nqp/bigint by jnthn
12:48 dalek nqp/bigint: 60d70e2 | jonathan++ | src/ops/nqp_bigint.ops:
12:48 dalek nqp/bigint: Update bigint ops to work with new repr API.
12:48 dalek nqp/bigint: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/60d70e2a34
13:03 dalek nqp/bigint: e388430 | jonathan++ | src/ (3 files):
13:03 dalek nqp/bigint: Split bigint repr struct into instance and body. Split instance_of into allocate and initialize to match new API.
13:03 dalek nqp/bigint: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/e38843038c
13:03 dalek nqp/bigint: f4f9287 | jonathan++ | src/6model/reprs/P6bigint.c:
13:03 dalek nqp/bigint: Toss defined, which is gone from the repr API. Fix up attribute related repr methods.
13:03 dalek nqp/bigint: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/f4f92874bd
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13:09 dalek nqp/bigint: b0f876a | jonathan++ | src/6model/reprs/P6bigint.c:
13:09 dalek nqp/bigint: Implement copy_to, get rid of repr_clone.
13:09 dalek nqp/bigint: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/b0f876acb8
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13:15 dalek nqp/bigint: 1eea4e5 | jonathan++ | src/6model/reprs/P6bigint.c:
13:15 dalek nqp/bigint: Update get/set native repr functions to new API.
13:15 dalek nqp/bigint: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/1eea4e5561
13:23 dalek nqp/bigint: 324df8e | jonathan++ | src/6model/reprs/P6bigint.c:
13:23 dalek nqp/bigint: Update GC related bit of the bigint repr. Builds again.
13:23 dalek nqp/bigint: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/324df8e1ec
13:33 dalek nqp/bigint: d387ce9 | moritz++ | src/6model/reprs/P6bigint.c:
13:33 dalek nqp/bigint: initialize return value in P6bigint -> get_int
13:33 dalek nqp/bigint: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/d387ce905b
13:52 dalek nqp/bigint: f9262fc | jonathan++ | t/nqp/60-bigint.t:
13:52 dalek nqp/bigint: Avoid a curious, seemingly new issue by removing a needless .HOW (what get_knowhow gives is already a HOW).
13:52 dalek nqp/bigint: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/f9262fc80e
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14:04 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: 5e2019c | mls++ | / (4 files):
14:04 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: create Parrot_cx_delete_upto_handler_local() function for better abstraction
14:04 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/5e2019ce0f
14:04 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: 25e580f | mls++ | / (3 files):
14:04 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: Define init_pmc for ExceptionHandlers that takes a key to initialize the handled types.
14:04 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue:
14:04 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: Currently not optimized, we still build the RPA. Also change PCT to create the
14:04 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: exception handlers that way.
14:04 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/25e580faf7
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14:22 dalek nqp/bigint: 2163a93 | jonathan++ | src/6model/reprs/P6bigint.c:
14:22 dalek nqp/bigint: Fix get_int/set_int in P6bigint.
14:22 dalek nqp/bigint: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/2163a93942
14:36 dalek nqp/bigint: ebffd93 | jonathan++ | tools/build/Makefile.in:
14:36 dalek nqp/bigint: Make the right thing depend on the bigint repr.
14:36 dalek nqp/bigint: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/ebffd93591
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15:04 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: 1c313a0 | mls++ | src/ (2 files):
15:04 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: Directly use Key as handles_type when possible.
15:04 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/1c313a03ff
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15:21 NotFound mls: ping
15:21 mls you rang?
15:22 NotFound mls: in 25e580faf7 you are making changes in ExceptionHandler unrelated to the main issue.
15:23 mls what's the "main issue"?
15:23 NotFound "Define init_pmc for ExceptionHandlers ..."
15:24 mls oh, you're right, some optimization crept in
15:24 mls or do you mean the pct change?
15:24 NotFound The changes in can_handle
15:25 NotFound It will be better to have these in separated commits. Or even better, out of the branch.
15:25 mls yes, That should probably have gone to master instead
15:26 NotFound Not a big problem, but is better for testing and eventual regresions.
15:26 moritz fwiw yesterday all rakudo tests passed on top of mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue
15:26 mls (or a different commit "opimize some keyed_str lookups away if the base_type matches")
15:27 mls moritz: NotFound++ has a point: those changes shouldn't be one commit
15:27 * NotFound likes micro-commits
15:28 mls I can split the commit and use 'push -f'
15:28 Coke I think on a branch that's probably acceptable.
15:29 Coke but IANAGL.
15:29 mls ok, will do
15:29 mls (I hope poor dalek can cope)
15:30 Coke I'd get buyin from at least one other person before doing that. ;)
15:30 moritz mls: I know, the only connection was the branch name, which made me remember that I ran that test yesterday
15:36 NotFound People advocated the switch because is much easy to branch and merge and thus less need to make lots of unrelated changes in One Big Branch. We switched, so let's profit from that point.
15:37 NotFound (the switch to git)
15:37 Coke NotFound: I'm specifically asking about mls rewriting publicly pushed history.
15:38 Coke I agree in general that more isolated commits are better for review, etc.
15:40 NotFound Rewriting history in public repos is bad, according the few docs I've read on that matter.
15:40 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: a38bbec | mls++ | src/ (2 files):
15:40 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: Optimize some keyed_str lookups and a isa() call away when the base_type matches
15:40 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/a38bbec981
15:40 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: da7c786 | mls++ | / (2 files):
15:40 mls oh oh, force -f does strange things
15:40 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: Define init_pmc for ExceptionHandlers that takes a key to initialize the handled types.
15:40 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue:
15:40 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: Currently not optimized, we still build the RPA. Also change PCT to create the
15:41 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: exception handlers the new way if possible.
15:41 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/da7c7869df
15:41 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: 0d94c86 | mls++ | src/ (2 files):
15:41 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: Directly use Key as handles_type when possible.
15:41 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/0d94c86aa0
15:41 mls It also updated master ;(
15:41 Coke mls: what happened to "don't do that yet!?"
15:41 moritz there are several approaches: 1) start a new branch 2) simply revert the commit in the branch, and add it back again in pieces
15:42 * moritz can't think of more approaches actually
15:45 Coke mls: I don't see any updates to master today on github.
15:45 dalek parrot: b1dbbad | nine++ | t/pmc/alarm.t:
15:45 dalek parrot: Remove faulty tests from t/pmc/alarm.t
15:45 dalek parrot:
15:45 dalek parrot: The removed tests tested for alarms firing in a certain order which
15:45 dalek parrot: cannot be guaranteed due to preemption introducing a random element into
15:45 dalek parrot: the mix.
15:45 dalek parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/b1dbbadccd
15:45 dalek parrot: e20b3be | nine++ | / (4 files):
15:45 dalek parrot: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:parrot/parrot
15:46 dalek parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/e20b3beab6
15:46 mls more karma for nine ;)
15:50 mls good thing that git is so forgiving
15:50 mls (nothing happened, please move on ;) )
15:51 NotFound And one more nitpick: that new init_pmc wants a test.
15:51 mls yes, true. I'll add one.
15:51 whiteknight if it's good, we will get it a test for christmas
15:52 mls so, how do we specify "handle_types_except"
15:52 NotFound ok(tree_has_bells() && santa_had_come())
15:52 NotFound This is a good test for christmas?
15:53 mls we could use negative values, but imcc doesn't evaluate constant expressions
15:54 mls so we probably would need EXCEPT_EXCEPTION_... = -<some_value> macors
15:54 mls i.e. a "negative" one for every exception type
15:55 mls or we can define one EXCEPT_TYPES value
15:55 mls and put that in front of the exception types
15:56 mls Btw, what do you goys think of moving the CONTROL types to something like 0x1000 and defining an EXCEPTION_ALL and CONTROL_ALL type?
15:56 NotFound You said you aren't afraid of imcc hacking? Add constant evaluation to it, then ;)
15:57 mls that's a bigger task than the one we talked about yesterday ;)
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15:57 not_gerd hello, #parrot
15:58 whiteknight mls: +1 to the rearranging the exception type numbers. It's a relatively small change
15:58 mls what about the "ALL" types?
15:58 whiteknight mls: Eventually, I would like to stop using exception type numbers and use actual exception classes, but that's a different story
15:58 whiteknight mls: +1 to the ALL types too
15:59 NotFound Note that the pir limitation does not make such feature unusable. Winxed can do constant evaluation with pir-included macro consts.
16:01 mls yes, and I can define one EXCEPT_CONTROL_ALL, that's actually all nqp/rakudo needs
16:01 mls you you prefer negative numbers as "except" values?
16:01 mls so you...
16:02 NotFound It was just a quick idea, not a particualar preference.
16:04 mls (hmm, imcc doesn't even understand a 0x prefix)
16:04 dalek rakudo/nom: 79c1c9f | moritz++ | Configure.pl:
16:04 dalek rakudo/nom: [Configure.pl] fix import list, not_gerd++
16:04 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/79c1c9f8f5
16:07 NotFound Sometimes I forget pir limitations because I usually check pir-level functionality from winxed.
16:12 not_gerd some fixes for msys: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/pull/192
16:14 whiteknight not_gerd: I saw those yesterday. I think they got pulled already
16:14 whiteknight or, something happened. I don't remember
16:14 not_gerd whiteknight: the pull request yesterday only disabled select to make it build again
16:15 not_gerd dukeleto closed the request, but didn't apply it (or mention why it was closed)
16:21 whiteknight oh, another pull request. Sorry. I'll take a look at it later, if nobody beats me to it
16:29 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: 461e486 | mls++ | / (3 files):
16:29 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: move control exceptions to their own number block, add _ALL types that catch any exception of that type
16:29 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/461e486f43
16:36 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: cfab58d | mls++ | compilers/pct/src/PAST/Compiler.pir:
16:36 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: use a key instead of a string for the return exception handler, as the key is cheaper
16:36 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/cfab58de8e
16:36 mls lets see if nqp/rakudo still work
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17:00 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: 4e91e6c | mls++ | src/pmc/exceptionhandler.pmc:
17:00 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: it has to be pmc/exception.h, otherwise the Configure script will generate a wrong Makefile dependency
17:00 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/4e91e6c473
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17:29 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: 74ba753 | mls++ | compilers/pct/src/PAST/Compiler.pir:
17:29 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: Argh, 'CONTROL' should not include CONTROL_ERROR, used in die()!
17:29 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/74ba75369d
17:30 mls aaah, it hurts! it hurts!
17:31 whiteknight ...wat?
17:31 mls I'm tempted to move CONTROL_ERROR to the exception block, despite the name
17:32 mls or maybe add an EXCEPTION_ERROR used by die()
17:32 whiteknight I like EXCEPTION_ERROR
17:32 whiteknight or even something better like EXCEPTION_DIE
17:32 mls yes, that would make sense
17:33 mls the current situation is that nqp's and rakudos CONTROL {} catch every control exception but one, CONTROL_ERROR
17:34 mls oh, actually CONTROL_ERROR can be used by warn(), which is supposed to be caught by a CONTROL catch block
17:35 mls (I currently use CONTROL_OK for that purpose)
17:38 whiteknight bleh
17:39 whiteknight our exceptions system needs to be taken out back and shot
17:40 tadzik listening to what #parrot talks about, is there anything that shouldn't?
17:40 tadzik gms is cool I suppose
17:40 mls actually I like pct
17:41 mls parrot's ops are pretty fast
17:42 mls hmm, what else... ;)
17:49 Coke rakudo's pretty cool.
17:52 whiteknight tadzik: I overemphasize some problems. Exceptions are a particularly bad system with clear performance repercussions for Rakudo and other users
17:53 whiteknight it doesn't help that, for all the performance penalties, the interface is lousy, the capabilities are limited and non-intuitive, the usability is low, etc
17:54 Coke and that it was designed either not against perl 6 or another HLL, or against an old version of the perl6 spec
17:55 mls that "resume" functionality makes it so tricky
17:55 mls it's different from other VMs
17:58 Coke just be sure to get buyin from moritz on a redesign, is all. ;
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18:06 whiteknight Coke: No, you're right. It was clearly not designed with Perl6 in mind
18:06 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: a3ec104 | mls++ | src/pmc/ (3 files):
18:06 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: do not use CONTROL_ERROR for internal exceptions, now only die() uses it
18:06 dalek parrot/mls/kill-events-in-ehqueue: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/a3ec104fe3
18:08 mls enough for this week, you guys have a nice weekend!
18:10 whiteknight you too, mls!
18:11 cotto ~~
18:32 dukeleto ~~
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18:34 dalek cardinal: 27f7162 | (Daehyub Kim)++ | setup.winxed:
18:34 dalek cardinal: issue #18
18:34 dalek cardinal:   * build
18:34 dalek cardinal:   * clean
18:34 dalek cardinal:   * test
18:34 dalek cardinal:   * smoke: need to modify
18:34 dalek cardinal:   * help
18:34 dalek cardinal:   * install: do not commit in this changes
18:34 dalek cardinal: review: https://github.com/parrot/​cardinal/commit/27f7162d83
18:34 dalek cardinal: 602e40f | (Daehyub Kim)++ | setup.winxed:
18:34 dalek cardinal: Merge branch 'setup_winxed' of github.com:lateau/cardinal into setup_nqp
18:34 dalek cardinal: review: https://github.com/parrot/​cardinal/commit/602e40f15c
18:34 dalek cardinal: 4841027 | (Daehyub Kim)++ | setup.winxed:
18:34 dalek cardinal: target install added
18:34 dalek cardinal: review: https://github.com/parrot/​cardinal/commit/4841027e8e
18:34 dalek cardinal: e393cd3 | (Daehyub Kim)++ | setup.winxed:
18:35 dalek cardinal: remove useless codes
18:35 dalek cardinal: review: https://github.com/parrot/​cardinal/commit/e393cd3c21
18:35 dalek cardinal: 32929b6 | (Daehyub Kim)++ | setup.winxed:
18:35 dalek cardinal: setup.winxed
18:35 dalek cardinal: this is a replacement of setup.pir
18:35 dalek cardinal: all targets of setup.pir are supported and works now:
18:35 dalek cardinal:   * build
18:35 dalek cardinal:   * test
18:35 dalek cardinal:   * install
18:35 dalek cardinal:   * uninstall
18:35 dalek cardinal:   * clean
18:35 dalek cardinal:   * update
18:35 dalek cardinal:   * plumage
18:35 dalek cardinal:   * sdist
18:35 dalek cardinal:   * bdist
18:35 dalek cardinal:   * smoke
18:35 dalek cardinal:   * help
18:35 dalek cardinal: changed:
18:35 dalek cardinal:   * clean: remove rpm directory and it's subdirectories also
18:35 dalek cardinal:   * build: build target will be runed before sdist and bdist
18:35 dalek cardinal: Thanks NotFound++
18:35 dalek cardinal: review: https://github.com/parrot/​cardinal/commit/32929b6606
18:35 dalek cardinal: e8116ba | (Daehyub Kim)++ | setup.winxed:
18:35 dalek cardinal: ignore pod with /* */
18:35 dalek cardinal: review: https://github.com/parrot/​cardinal/commit/e8116ba5a6
18:35 dalek cardinal: 97588e0 | dukeleto++ | setup.winxed:
18:35 dalek cardinal: Merge pull request #19 from lateau/setup_winxed
18:35 dalek cardinal:
18:35 dalek cardinal: Setup winxed
18:35 dalek cardinal: review: https://github.com/parrot/​cardinal/commit/97588e0a1e
18:38 dalek parrot: 543e698 | (Gerhard R)++ | / (2 files):
18:38 dalek parrot: disable select dynpmc on MSYS
18:38 dalek parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/543e6988fe
18:38 dalek parrot: c0a28a9 | (Gerhard R)++ | / (2 files):
18:38 dalek parrot: fix make install on MSYS
18:38 dalek parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/c0a28a92b9
18:38 dalek parrot: df69781 | (Gerhard R)++ | / (4 files):
18:38 dalek parrot: cleanup compiler flags, file generation, ignored files
18:38 dalek parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/df69781380
18:38 dalek parrot: 8fde623 | dukeleto++ | / (5 files):
18:38 dalek parrot: Merge pull request #192 from gerdr/gerdr/msys-install
18:38 dalek parrot:
18:38 dalek parrot: fix make install on MSYS
18:38 dalek parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/8fde623387
18:41 alvis Coke, mortiz: Thank you for the clarification.
18:42 dukeleto if anybody on msys can test that the stuff that just got merged works, that would be awesome
18:43 whiteknight not_gerd is our only user/tester on that platform, as far as I know
18:50 not_gerd dukeleto: make install on MSYS was broken-- I'm the only one who uses it on that platform and I just used parrot directly from the build directory
18:51 not_gerd the new patch makes rakudo's --gen-parrot work - I don't guarantee anything beyond that...
18:59 not_gerd btw, t/pmc/alarm.t hangs here - does it work on other windows configurations?
19:14 whiteknight not_gerd: it doesn't hang on other systems, but alarms might be disabled there. We should probably disable that test file on msys for now
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