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whiteknight |
good evening, #parrot |
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sorear |
hello |
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whiteknight |
hello sorear, how are you doing? |
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sorear |
ok |
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| 12:56 |
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masak |
in http://perlcabal.org/syn/S32/Str.html the 'sprintf' function specifies a %C directive (and has from day 1, as far as I know). Rakudo uses Parrot's sprintf function directly, so adding %C would have to be done on the Parrot level. is that feasible? |
| 12:57 |
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masak |
any obvious blockers for doing that? |
| 12:58 |
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masak |
in Rakudo-land, we have a long-standing TODO ticket for %C: https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket[…]lay.html?id=60672 |
| 12:58 |
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masak |
but it seems to me the implementation would have to be done entirely in Parrot. |
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| 13:33 |
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whiteknight |
good morning, #parrot |
| 13:33 |
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masak |
morning, whiteknight |
| 13:33 |
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tadzik |
hello |
| 13:35 |
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whiteknight |
hello masak, tadzik |
| 13:38 |
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masak |
whiteknight: you don't happen to know anything about http://irclog.perlgeek.de/parr[…]1-12-29#i_4894297 , do you? |
| 13:44 |
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whiteknight |
let me look |
| 13:45 |
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whiteknight |
masak: Yes, that would probably want to be done at the Parrot level, and no there are no particular blockers that I can see |
| 13:46 |
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whiteknight |
Are we sure it doesn't already exist? The sprintf code is a magical haunted castle with secrets and monsters |
| 13:49 |
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masak |
well, the error message claims that such a directive does not exist. |
| 13:49 |
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whiteknight |
okay, that's good enough. Sure, I think we can add it |
| 13:49 |
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whiteknight |
how urgent is it? |
| 13:49 |
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masak |
not urgent at all. |
| 13:49 |
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whiteknight |
my favorite kind :) |
| 13:49 |
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masak |
just a nice-to-have, one-step-closer-to-Christmas kind of thing. |
| 13:49 |
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whiteknight |
Does take any kind of modifiers or anything? |
| 13:50 |
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masak |
does what take any kind of modifiers? %C? |
| 13:50 |
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whiteknight |
oh, looks like my irc client intercepts that sequence |
| 13:50 |
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whiteknight |
yes, C |
| 13:50 |
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masak |
it calls the corresponding argument and expects its signature to be $s, *@args |
| 13:51 |
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masak |
or $s, *@args is rw to be exact. |
| 13:51 |
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whiteknight |
okay |
| 13:51 |
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masak |
that is, there's the possibility that the argument list itself is modified by the called function. |
| 13:51 |
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masak |
kinda freaky. |
| 13:51 |
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whiteknight |
yeah, I would say so |
| 13:51 |
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masak |
can't say I've ever felt the need for such a feature :) |
| 13:52 |
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masak |
if it were up to me, I'd simply de-spec %C |
| 13:52 |
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whiteknight |
I worry about modifying the argument list, because I don't know what kind of creepy mechanisms sprintf is using to store and retrieve arguments |
| 13:52 |
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masak |
I would prefer to see DESTROY implemented; another feature where Parrot-Rakudo collab is required. |
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tadzik |
oh yes |
| 13:53 |
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whiteknight |
masak: I'll make a deal with you: If we can get help getting 6model jammed into Parrot, I'll be more than happy to assist with sprintf-C and destroy |
| 13:54 |
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whiteknight |
actually, I'll be happy to help in any case, but we *really* want 6model |
| 13:54 |
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benabik |
Don't we have a destroy vtable, or did I hallucinate that? |
| 13:54 |
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whiteknight |
we do, but it does not do what Rakudo needs it to do |
| 13:54 |
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benabik |
hm |
| 13:55 |
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whiteknight |
specifically, calling a vtable override and doing processing during the destroy vtable is problematic |
| 13:55 |
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tadzik |
Do any data shut-down and finalization you need to do. To have this method called, you must set the Pobj_custom_destroy_FLAG |
| 13:56 |
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whiteknight |
tadzik: yeah, we do have it and we do use it for built-in types. Calling a vtable override and creating PMCs in the middle of the GC is and always has been problematic |
| 13:57 |
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whiteknight |
And then when you consider that PMCs are collected in memory order, not in dependency order, you can try to finalize a PMC and have all it's attributes already be collected |
| 13:58 |
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whiteknight |
I suspect that what we need to do is treat the finalizer as an additional de facto reference |
| 13:59 |
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benabik |
If it has a finalizer, add it to the "to be finalized" list and mark it? |
| 14:00 |
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masak |
whiteknight: I'm with you on the benefits of jamming 6model into Parrot. not only would it help Rakudo-Parrot, but it'd also help Parrot. 6model has turned out to be a lasting, useful model for Rakudo. |
| 14:00 |
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whiteknight |
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. If it has a finalizer we mark it and add it to the list. After GC we take the list, execute finalizers, and remove the reference so they get collected next time |
| 14:01 |
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masak |
whiteknight: I can't guarantee I'll be able to help much, sadly. got my hands full with Perl 6 and Rakudo... :) |
| 14:01 |
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whiteknight |
masak: What I'm most interested in is the fact that we can streamline a lot of logic by making 6model *the* object model instead of one that has to be detected |
| 14:02 |
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whiteknight |
masak: If you can help plant idea-seeds in jnthn's head that this would be something good to work on soon, that would be help enough! |
| 14:06 |
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whiteknight |
masak: I just figured out how to add C and it's a beast. I'll try to do it tomorrow |
| 14:06 |
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whiteknight |
ain't no way it's getting done today |
| 14:06 |
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whiteknight |
this whole damn subsystem needs to get majorly cleaned |
| 14:06 |
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whiteknight |
fun fact: That's my most often-repeated phrase of 2011 |
| 14:07 |
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whiteknight |
and 2010, and 2009 |
| 14:07 |
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benabik |
cleaned with fire? |
| 14:07 |
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whiteknight |
:) |
| 14:08 |
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masak |
oh, you expect *jnthn* to give Parrot 6model? |
| 14:08 |
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masak |
I... I wouldn't count on that happening soon. |
| 14:08 |
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masak |
for the simple reason that I've seen jnthn's schedule. |
| 14:10 |
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whiteknight |
no, I didn't want jnthn to give it, I would only like his hands around while we try to do it |
| 14:11 |
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whiteknight |
there will be some bumbling and curse words. Having an expert around would help |
| 14:11 |
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masak |
aye. |
| 14:11 |
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masak |
that sounds more realistic. |
| 14:11 |
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whiteknight |
he has a very busy schedule then? |
| 14:11 |
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masak |
admirably so. |
| 14:12 |
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masak |
I wish I managed to be half as busy as jnthn. :) |
| 14:25 |
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whiteknight |
I wish I could be half as busy as I am |
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| 15:08 |
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whiteknight |
I'm also itching to get my hands on those buffered streams ruoso was talking about for Rakudo |
| 15:08 |
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whiteknight |
we have lots of rakudo-related stuff to do, which is awesome |
| 15:11 |
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masak |
\o/ |
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dalek |
Guitor: 2df4bc3 | NotFound++ | examples/pokedit.winxed: |
| 16:12 |
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dalek |
Guitor: centralize font creation in pokedit |
| 16:12 |
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dalek |
Guitor: review: https://github.com/NotFound/Gu[…]commit/2df4bc3312 |
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dalek |
Guitor: 6fbe7f0 | NotFound++ | examples/pokedit.winxed: |
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dalek |
Guitor: find dialog in pokedit |
| 17:47 |
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dalek |
Guitor: review: https://github.com/NotFound/Gu[…]commit/6fbe7f0f1f |
| 17:57 |
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cotto |
~~ |
| 17:58 |
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whiteknight |
hello cotto |
| 18:40 |
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dalek |
Rosella/iterable: d62d4c2 | Whiteknight++ | s (5 files): |
| 18:40 |
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dalek |
Rosella/iterable: Several fixes and cleanups to iterable. Add in a factory type for sources. Add in a method for Tap |
| 18:40 |
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dalek |
Rosella/iterable: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/d62d4c2f49 |
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dalek |
Rosella/iterable: 38f4d8c | Whiteknight++ | src/ (4 files): |
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dalek |
Rosella/iterable: Refactor out iterable source common logic into a new base class. Add in on_data and on_iterator methods to mirror what stream has |
| 18:40 |
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dalek |
Rosella/iterable: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/38f4d8c568 |
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dalek |
Rosella/iterable: b55d9a1 | Whiteknight++ | / (3 files): |
| 18:40 |
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dalek |
Rosella/iterable: Update Harness to use iterable instead of stream. |
| 18:40 |
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dalek |
Rosella/iterable: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/b55d9a1212 |
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dalek |
Rosella/iterable: 7ce07f8 | Whiteknight++ | src/ (6 files): |
| 18:41 |
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dalek |
Rosella/iterable: Completely update Harness to use Iterable instead of Queryable and Stream. Some fixes to bugs found in Iterable during the process |
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dalek |
Rosella/iterable: review: https://github.com/Whiteknight[…]commit/7ce07f8785 |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: e6fee1b | util++ | docs/announce/2011.12: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: [docs] Fix typo |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/e6fee1b664 |
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