Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #parrot, 2012-02-14

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10:29 dalek rakudo/nom: d43594e | moritz++ | src/core/Backtrace.pm:
10:29 dalek rakudo/nom: stop special-casing the setting in the bt printer
10:29 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/d43594ed62
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10:58 moritz I'm trying to build parrot on windows, and get "Compilation failed with 'cl'"
10:59 moritz how do I find out what's wrong?
11:00 moritz ah, verbose
11:00 moritz eeks, somehow it's a platform conflict
11:00 moritz and the German error message sucks
11:01 JimmyZ the bad thing to me is that I can't build dyncall, 'as dyncall_call.S' outputs nothing
11:02 moritz it tries to link for x64, but somehow the linker doesn't like that (?)
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12:31 Coke moritz: are you using jnthn's toolchain?
12:31 Coke last time I tried (months ago), worked fine on win32 with the free msvc.
12:31 Coke I don't have a 64-bit platform, though.
12:35 moritz Coke: well, I have a 64 bit visual studio, but it seems the compiler only wants to target 32bit
12:35 moritz I'll need to talk to the admin if that can be fixed
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12:55 ligne um.  oops?
12:55 moritz ligne: try /join #rt
12:56 ligne moritz> thanks, that's what i was aiming for.  but it seems my fat fingers disagree :-)
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14:27 user Hi all!
14:28 benabik Greetings, user
14:28 user Does anyone know is parrot is ready for prod using ?
14:29 PerlJam user: what does that mean exactly?
14:29 user for production use
14:29 PerlJam user: right.  What does "production use" mean?
14:29 user sorry for bad english
14:29 PerlJam user: I ask because everyone has different ideas
14:30 user Is it a right way if I initiate developing web project using parrot vm now ?
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14:30 user Is vm ready for using ?
14:30 user or only for learning yet
14:31 PerlJam user: I hope it's redy for using since, at the very least, the Parrot project itself is using it for various  things :-)
14:31 masak it's ready for use.
14:32 masak it's not entirely free of bugs.
14:32 PerlJam masak: like any software is
14:32 PerlJam (Well ... maybe TeX ;)
14:33 user You mean that internal structures and interfaces is ready and will not change in future ?
14:33 user than what mean major release number of vm ?
14:33 masak I'm pretty certain interfaces and internal structures will change in the future.
14:34 user under internal structures I mean "low-level" (PASM) interface
14:34 PerlJam user: everything is subject to change, but it's controlled change.
14:34 user where if parrot bugtracker ?
14:34 masak always when people come in asking for "production ready" or "stable", I can't help thinking that they're really asking for something slightly different. some kind of security, and assurance that their efforts learning to use the system will not be wasted.
14:34 user where is*
14:35 masak or that their programs will not break too much.
14:35 masak the "production ready" label is something quite fuzzy, and IMO something a piece of software deserves after a number of production users have already deployed it successfully.
14:35 PerlJam user: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/issues
14:36 user We are developers and know well what differences between stable and dev releases (I hope)
14:36 user PerlJam: thanks
14:37 user well
14:37 user thanks for help, guys
14:37 PerlJam user: ultimately I think the question "Is X production ready?" is something that individuals have to answer for themselves.
14:37 PerlJam Even self-declared "production ready" systems may not really be an edifice to build upon
14:39 user And what about parrot speed tests ?
14:40 PerlJam personally, I don't think that I'd use Parrot for a web project, but I might use a language like Perl 6 or Winxed (which rely on parrot) for a web project.
14:43 user nice, now I know bugtracker and can track current states
14:43 user thanks
14:43 user bb all
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19:04 cotto ~~
19:15 Util o/
19:16 benabik o/ cotto, Util
19:17 Util Hi!
19:17 Util #ps in 13m
19:20 * dukeleto waves
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19:51 Coke trac's SSL cert is expired.
19:54 Coke I was just reminded to regen: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/ParrotFaces
19:55 Coke (though I wonder if it should be trolling git commits in addition to CREDITS)
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20:18 dalek rakudo/nom: d4d4a21 | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/Metamodel/Mixins.pm:
20:18 dalek rakudo/nom: Fix but True / but False.
20:18 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/d4d4a21f1e
20:38 dukeleto Coke: can we port parrotfaces to github?
20:39 dukeleto Coke: it is an important part of our infrastructure :) I kid not.
20:40 Coke dukeleto: I suppose - all the faces.pl script does is output the links in trac wiki format.
20:40 Coke doing so in something github is aware of should be a simple tweak.
20:40 Coke (making it dynamic is harder)
20:41 Coke feel free to assign me a ticket.
20:42 dukeleto Coke: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/issues/716
20:43 dukeleto whoa! http://www.gitmetrics.com/parrot/parrot
20:45 aloha (parrot/parrot) Issues opened : 716 (Make parrotfaces script generate Github-friendly format) by leto : https://github.com/parrot/parrot/issues/716
20:46 dukeleto aloha++
20:46 aloha dukeleto: 1 (thanks!)
20:46 benabik ?
20:46 benabik karma aloha
20:46 aloha aloha has karma of -67.
20:46 dukeleto lulz
20:50 Coke ah. http://www.gitmetrics.com/repos/342/users , I'm done. ;)
20:50 Coke (not quite the same, but close enough! ;)
20:51 Coke I am bemused that on http://www.gitmetrics.com/partcl/partcl I am 3 of the top 5 committers. ;)
20:57 dukeleto hilarious
20:59 cotto Coke: congratulations to all three of you.
21:05 dalek nqp/bs: 1cb59b4 | jnthn++ | / (2 files):
21:05 dalek nqp/bs: Sketch out NQPRoutine and NQPSignature, which we'll migrate towards in place of a couple of PMCs. This will ease serialization, eliminate two PMCs and also eliminate our use of :instanceof. Hopefully...
21:05 dalek nqp/bs: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/1cb59b49ff
21:05 dalek nqp/bs: 52e0e73 | jnthn++ | / (6 files):
21:05 dalek nqp/bs: Move NQP's multi-dispatcher out of the 6model folder; it's not a core part of 6model.
21:05 dalek nqp/bs: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/52e0e73cf9
21:06 dalek nqp/bs: 37c6c88 | jnthn++ | / (2 files):
21:06 dalek nqp/bs: NQPRoutine needs to delegate invocation in order to serve as a code object.
21:06 dalek nqp/bs: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/37c6c88b52
21:06 dalek nqp/bs: 22467fe | jnthn++ | src/guts/multi_dispatch.h:
21:06 dalek nqp/bs: Sketch out C struct mappings for NQPRoutine and NQPSignature.
21:06 dalek nqp/bs: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/22467febe5
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21:10 dukeleto lucian: wazzup
21:10 lucian hi. trying to write a gc in python
21:11 dukeleto lucian: glad to know you still enjoy -Ofun :)
21:12 lucian i've been busy with my crappy job for the past few months
21:13 lucian i want to still learn things, though
21:13 lucian until a couple of weeks i'd never written hashtables, red-black trees, parallel mergesorts, etc :)
21:15 lucian dukeleto: how about you?
21:18 dukeleto lucian: subversively coding in ruby, presently. Just another day :)
21:22 lucian :)
21:23 lucian dukeleto: i've also been looking at rust
21:34 dalek parrot: d686c33 | coke++ | tools/dev/faces.pl:
21:34 dalek parrot: Generate github markdown syntax instead.
21:34 dalek parrot:
21:34 dalek parrot: Fixes #716
21:34 dalek parrot: review: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/d686c33318
21:35 Coke dukeleto: https://github.com/parrot/parrot/wiki/Parrot-Faces
21:35 Coke feel free to kill the old one at your leisure, and/or redirect to the new one.
21:36 aloha (parrot/parrot) Issues closed : 716 (Make parrotfaces script generate Github-friendly format) by leto : https://github.com/parrot/parrot/issues/716
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21:38 dukeleto Coke: https://git.io/parrotfaces :)
21:39 benabik dukeleto: https doesn't seem to work
21:40 Coke dukeleto: that failed, needed http, not https.
21:40 Coke too slow.
21:41 dalek nqp/bs: 52c1b2b | jnthn++ | src/NQP/ (3 files):
21:41 dalek nqp/bs: Big refactor of block and symbol handling in NQP. This more fully shuffles it into NQP::World, matching the factoring that's worked out so nicely in Rakudo. It'll also make the upcoming multi refactoring much easier.
21:41 dalek nqp/bs: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/52c1b2b3bd
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21:57 travis-ci [travis-ci] parrot/parrot#64 (master - d686c33 : coke): The build passed.
21:57 travis-ci [travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/parrot/par​rot/compare/a611cbb...d686c33
21:57 travis-ci [travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/parrot/parrot/builds/678492
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23:06 dalek nqp/bs: 0fad218 | jnthn++ | src/ops/nqp.ops:
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: Add an op for setting the signature as a single object.
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/0fad218b9f
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: e7be6cc | jnthn++ | src/guts/multi_dispatch.h:
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: Fix typo.
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/e7be6cc27c
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: 18f17e9 | jnthn++ | src/ops/nqp.ops:
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: Oops, can't remove this yet - gotta go round the bootstrap loop.
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/18f17e95d6
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: 78fb2c3 | jnthn++ | src/guts/multi_dispatch.c:
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: Get multi dispatcher to recognize both new and old way of doing the signature for a moment.
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/78fb2c37bd
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: bfadf52 | jnthn++ | src/NQP/ (2 files):
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: Switch to using the new signature objects.
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/bfadf52a65
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: 1ac3f88 | jnthn++ | src/guts/multi_dispatch.c:
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: Quick tweak and...the new signature objects work.
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/1ac3f88f04
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: 33fc4d2 | jnthn++ | src/stage0/ (6 files):
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: Update bootstrap.
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/33fc4d2c5a
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: 7c8a11c | jnthn++ | / (4 files):
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: Rip out the NQPMultiSig PMC; we don't need it any more.
23:06 dalek nqp/bs: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/7c8a11cc1f
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23:36 whiteknight good evening, #parrot
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23:48 bacek_at_work ~~

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