Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #parrot, 2013-07-15

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00:44 akwillis Does the parrot project need help with web development?
00:45 akwillis Parrot should self-sign if it does not have a CA.
00:45 akwillis It just looks scary when https is used and the cert comes back invalid
00:50 akwillis ok, i will be around a bit.
00:51 akwillis I was going to register but I would rather receive a self-sign cert before an invalid cert. I am willing to help.
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01:34 akwillis thirty some mods and I can't get a response - no wonder this project is dead.
01:35 akwillis this is the fourth time ive sat in irc for hours with no response.
01:36 akwillis How do you expect to pull in new developers.
01:36 akwillis Either way, I am done.
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02:32 akwillis I have been reading the mailing lists to get familiar with parrot and if I took anything from my reading it is that leto and reini  are complete asses - just saying.
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03:16 dukeleto akwillis: go on... :)
03:17 dukeleto akwillis: perhaps because you are in a different timezone than most active parrot devs, you are not finding people
03:17 dukeleto akwillis: there is a weekly meeting in #parrotsketch where various people show up at the same time
03:18 dukeleto akwillis: if you want help getting involved with parrot, feel free to email me directly: duke@leto.net
03:19 dukeleto akwillis: also, reini and I have known each other for years, so perhaps you are misunderstanding our communication
03:20 dukeleto akwillis: and I would *love* to hear why you get the impression that we are both "complete asses" :)
03:24 dukeleto akwillis: what were you trying to do with https on parrot.org ?
03:25 dukeleto akwillis: somebody is supposed to be updating our ssl cert but somebody dropped the ball
03:25 dukeleto akwillis: i would prefer that we migrate to github pages, but parrot.org is a drupal instance currently, iirc
03:26 dukeleto sa1: ping
03:26 dukeleto p6eval: say 1/0;
03:27 dukeleto p6eval: say 42
03:27 dukeleto no bueno
03:27 sa1 dukeleto: pong
03:28 dukeleto sa1: going to eat dinner, but will be available in 1.5hrs or so
03:28 dukeleto sa1: if you need help
03:28 sa1 dukeleto: okay, I just woke up a while ago, will get to work in a while.
03:29 dukeleto sa1: eat and exercise first, then code. Better things will happen :)
03:29 * dukeleto ->gather($food)
03:29 sa1 :)
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05:22 dukeleto sa1: took a bit longer than i thought :)
05:22 dukeleto sa1: how are your docs?
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05:43 sa1 dukeleto: Just commenting things at the moment.
05:44 sa1 I wonder if there is a flexible doc generator that could work here
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06:38 dukeleto sa1: just write some good, useful documentation for now :)
06:38 dukeleto sa1: think about how things are ordered
06:39 dukeleto sa1: and explain it like you have no idea how it works on the inside. It is not as easy as it sounds :)
06:39 dukeleto sa1: but yes, in the future we can add some doc automation
06:39 dukeleto sa1: but automated docs are usually horrible, but better than nothing. Maybe. I just read the source, usually :)
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07:09 dukeleto sa1: still around
07:09 dukeleto sa1: i got distracted. Like it's my job.
07:11 sa1 dukeleto: The documentation will be more of a template at this point
07:12 dukeleto sa1: my advisor in college told me many, many times: "something is better than nothing"
07:12 dukeleto sa1: he was from India :)
07:13 dukeleto sa1: not sure which region. Two of my other revered professors were from the Bombay and Calcutta regions
07:13 sa1 dukeleto: Yes, I agree. Though I just want to get the first example program working, so that it forms the focus of the documentation.
07:13 dukeleto sa1: many Indian mathematicans/physicists seem to like the extreme heat of Florida :)
07:14 sa1 dukeleto: Usually you can tell from the name, the region.
07:14 dukeleto sa1: i have to change to a different dev machine, so i am migrating over to that
07:14 dukeleto sa1: Vajravelu, Shivamoggi and Choudhury
07:14 dukeleto sa1: I published papers with all of them :)
07:15 sa1 Okay. The first person seems to be a south Indian. The other two names are ambiguous.
07:16 sa1 My name would be ambiguous too. From Kumar, you can just say North India.
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07:28 dukeleto sa1: good to learn these things :)
07:29 dukeleto sa1: not sure how much help i can be to you tonight. Stupid deadlines that i can no longer put off are kicking in tomorrow
07:29 dukeleto sa1: but i will attack that structview bug very soon, or have plobsing dig us out of our hole
07:30 dukeleto sa1: please send an email to parrot-dev and cc plobsing at gmail dot com, asking for help with structview
07:31 sa1 dukeleto: okay, I will do that.
07:31 dukeleto sa1: that way, we have multiple avenues of attack :)
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08:05 dukeleto rurban1: are you a human?
08:55 dukeleto Guess not.
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11:42 dalek rakudo/nom: 9bdb5bc | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/traits.pm:
11:42 dalek rakudo/nom: Move definition of $/, $! and $_ so "is default" might actually work in the future.
11:42 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/9bdb5bc6a5
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14:09 Coke how does one get operator status for an irc.perl.org channel?
14:20 rurban1 ask mst
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14:52 Coke rurban++ Thanks.
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16:13 Util dukeleto: I am in transit today, but I will be settled and online in the morning.
16:13 Util I am planning to handle both the release and the #ps meeting tomorrow.
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18:37 dalek rakudo/nom: 37bf15c | jonathan++ | src/vm/jvm/runtime/org/perl6/rakudo/Binder.java:
18:37 dalek rakudo/nom: Die on unexpected arguments.
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom:
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: Handles both positional and named case. This clears up many of the
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: remaining S06 test files with failures.
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/37bf15c2a1
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: 14c63bb | jonathan++ | src/vm/jvm/runtime/org/perl6/rakudo/RakOps.java:
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: Implement getThrower.
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom:
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: Means various error cases now through the correct typed exception.
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/14c63bb6e4
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: 961c030 | jonathan++ | src/ (4 files):
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: Abstract a Parrotism hit in backtrace gen.
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/961c03014f
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: 4ad1b8e | jonathan++ | src/core/Exception.pm:
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: Fix undeclared named reporting.
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom:
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: Makes S32-exceptions/misc.t get to the end, and a few other things
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: pass.
18:38 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/4ad1b8ee09
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