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Infinoid |
*lurk* |
| 18:05 |
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pmichaud |
I will probably miss #ps today. My report is |
| 18:05 |
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pmichaud |
* Cleaned up Str.substr in rakudo. |
| 18:05 |
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pmichaud |
* Updated some tests |
| 18:05 |
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pmichaud |
* Rakudo is passing 2103 tests as of this morning |
| 18:06 |
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pmichaud |
EOR |
| 18:08 |
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pmichaud |
* Also fixed atan2 |
| 18:08 |
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pmichaud |
real_EOR |
| 18:09 |
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pmichaud |
question/comment for today: Tene has submitted a patch for resumable exceptions -- Rakudo could really use this capability soon for lazy list operations (i.e., given/take). Any tuits that could be aimed at resumable exceptions would be ery helpful. |
| 18:09 |
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pmichaud |
*very |
| 18:09 |
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pmichaud |
Tene++ |
| 18:09 |
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pmichaud |
I'm still officially on vacation until Friday. Should have hacking time on the plane(s) though, if I'm not too tired |
| 18:10 |
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pmichaud |
okay, gone for now. |
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kj |
early report (will go afk): |
| 18:20 |
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kj |
* some clean-ups for pirc/new |
| 18:20 |
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kj |
* updated DEPRECATED.pod after revision of pdd19 |
| 18:22 |
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kj |
.eor |
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* tewk |
has short status today. |
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* cotto_work |
has no status today. |
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chromatic |
Hello, all. |
| 18:33 |
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NotFound |
Hello |
| 18:33 |
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jonathan |
ahoj |
| 18:34 |
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rgrjr |
hola. |
| 18:34 |
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chromatic |
Let's go in alphabetical order. |
| 18:34 |
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chromatic |
I helped Allison fix bugs and merge back the concurrency branch. |
| 18:35 |
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chromatic |
I have some segfaults to look at and will spend some time cleaning up PMCs. |
| 18:35 |
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chromatic |
next? |
| 18:35 |
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* jhorwitz |
is late, but here |
| 18:35 |
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chromatic |
cotto_work? |
| 18:35 |
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jhorwitz |
i guess i'm next in alpha order... |
| 18:35 |
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NotFound |
j < n ;) |
| 18:36 |
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cotto_work |
nothing to report, just closing whichever bugs I can wrap my head around |
| 18:36 |
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* Whiteknight |
is here too |
| 18:36 |
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chromatic |
japhb? |
| 18:36 |
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japhb |
chromatic: yes? |
| 18:37 |
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* japhb |
looks at channel name ... |
| 18:37 |
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japhb |
Oh, I see. Nothing to report here. |
| 18:37 |
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chromatic |
jhorwitz? |
| 18:37 |
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jhorwitz |
fixed some threading issues and tested mod_parrot with Apache's threaded worker MPM. it works. this week will add some thread-specific apache directives. |
| 18:37 |
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jhorwitz |
got jonathan up and running with mod_parrot and mod_perl6. |
| 18:38 |
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jhorwitz |
cleaned up some documentation, thinking about writing an HLL layer developer's guide, which would be useful for mod_perl6 hackers. |
| 18:38 |
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jhorwitz |
EOR |
| 18:38 |
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chromatic |
jonathan? |
| 18:38 |
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jonathan |
* Had Rakudo day last week. Mostly did various fixes, spent time reading the spec/STD.pm and getting my head straight on various things. Had some good discussion with pmichaud later on in the eveing. |
| 18:39 |
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jonathan |
* Didn't get my report written... :-( Will do that soon. |
| 18:39 |
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jonathan |
* Started doing some work on my MMD grant today - post on use.perl.org about that, will cross-post to Rakudo.org |
| 18:39 |
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jonathan |
* With lots of help from jhorwitz++, managed to get mod_parrot and mod_perl6 to run on my Linux box. |
| 18:39 |
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jonathan |
* Got one of my YAPC::EU talks written, almost. Kinda happy with it. Barely started the other one...want to finish it this week before I travel. |
| 18:39 |
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jonathan |
* Not sure which day to do Rakudo day this week...will certainly do more on the MMD grant, though. |
| 18:39 |
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jonathan |
.end |
| 18:39 |
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jonathan |
(OH, and hackathon-ing day before and day after YAPC::EU) |
| 18:40 |
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chromatic |
NotFound? |
| 18:40 |
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NotFound |
Working on parrot_debugger, adapting to last merge. |
| 18:41 |
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NotFound |
I have a question about that, |
| 18:41 |
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NotFound |
Eor |
| 18:41 |
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chromatic |
particle? |
| 18:41 |
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particle |
~ working with osu osl on infrastructure setup of parrot.org |
| 18:41 |
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particle |
~ taking over mentorship of auzon, since moritz is on vacation for two weeks |
| 18:42 |
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particle |
still fighting my dvd drive drivers |
| 18:42 |
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particle |
.end |
| 18:42 |
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cotto_work |
queue 1 question |
| 18:42 |
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particle |
pmichaud's report is in scrollback, as is kj's |
| 18:42 |
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chromatic |
rgrjr? |
| 18:43 |
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rgrjr |
Started work on a proposal for a language interop PDD. |
| 18:43 |
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rgrjr |
.end |
| 18:43 |
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chromatic |
tewk? |
| 18:44 |
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chromatic |
Whiteknight? |
| 18:44 |
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Whiteknight |
* More debugging work on GC |
| 18:44 |
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Whiteknight |
* Getting close, but no cigar yet. |
| 18:44 |
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Whiteknight |
* Some updates and clarifications to PDD09 |
| 18:44 |
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Whiteknight |
EOR |
| 18:44 |
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chromatic |
NotFound, you had a question. |
| 18:45 |
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NotFound |
Main question: is fine to have a runloop specific for parrot_debugger? Secondary: someone is using parrot_debugger? |
| 18:45 |
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chromatic |
A specific runloop sounds reasonable. I have never used the debugger. Other opinions? |
| 18:46 |
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Whiteknight |
I like the idea. Adding a new runloop is cheap |
| 18:46 |
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* Tene |
is here now. |
| 18:46 |
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NotFound |
The reason is to know if I can work freely in trunk or must I open a branch, |
| 18:46 |
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particle |
i'd like a runloop that can be jumped into and out of at will |
| 18:47 |
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NotFound |
particle: that is the intention. |
| 18:47 |
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particle |
fab |
| 18:47 |
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rgrjr |
I've tried using parrot_debugger, but it's pretty minimal. I'd rather see effort go into a PIR-level debugger. |
| 18:47 |
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* particle |
has two questions |
| 18:47 |
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particle |
(pir-level debugger)++ |
| 18:48 |
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NotFound |
I agree, but first we need a way to run code under debuger control. |
| 18:48 |
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rgrjr |
NotFound: Seems like these are orthogonal to me . . . but never mind. |
| 18:49 |
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NotFound |
pir-level looks to me just to know line numbers to step and to show. |
| 18:50 |
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Tene |
No allison today? |
| 18:50 |
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rgrjr |
I mean I want to be able *write* it in PIR. If I can do that, I can write it in an HLL as well. |
| 18:50 |
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particle |
allison's travelling between cambridge and copenhagen today iirc |
| 18:50 |
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NotFound |
rgrjr: ah, sorry, I don't understood. |
| 18:51 |
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NotFound |
My idea is to have some basic debugger functions, and be able to use them both from built-in debugger or an external one. |
| 18:52 |
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rgrjr |
In particular, I'd rather not write it in C. |
| 18:52 |
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NotFound |
And work on a pluggable interface, maybe a pmc. |
| 18:53 |
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rgrjr |
My idea of a "built-in" debugger is one that autoloads its PBC files when needed. |
| 18:53 |
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rgrjr |
A PMC for contexts would probably be sufficient. |
| 18:53 |
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rgrjr |
But this may be a distraction . . . |
| 18:54 |
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Infinoid |
(queueing a possibly related question) |
| 18:54 |
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NotFound |
rgrjr: is resaonable, but I'm currently trying to make the internals work. |
| 18:54 |
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spinclad |
[ pmichaud in scrollback queued a question/comment ] |
| 18:54 |
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rgrjr |
Go for it; I *am* a distraction then. |
| 18:55 |
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chromatic |
Tene, would you like to go? |
| 18:55 |
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Tene |
My contribution for the week is http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/[…]lay.html?id=57610 |
| 18:55 |
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NotFound |
Actually it does not work, and I think the runloop is the way to make it work. |
| 18:55 |
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particle |
one of my questions is repeating pmichaud's question, related to tene's work |
| 18:55 |
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Tene |
That's all. |
| 18:56 |
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Tene |
Resumable exceptions patch. It touches on some stuff that I don't understand fully, so could use some review. |
| 18:56 |
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particle |
rgrjr: do resumable exceptions benefit kea-cl? |
| 18:57 |
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particle |
(while we wait) they definitely are required for rakudo's gather/take |
| 18:57 |
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Tene |
The PDDs didn't help at all, as they contained vague and possibly contradictory information. |
| 18:57 |
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rgrjr |
particle: No. CL has a different concept called "proceeding". |
| 18:57 |
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Tene |
Which I should also fix. |
| 18:58 |
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particle |
tene: any pdd review on this topic is encouraged |
| 18:59 |
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Tene |
Also, the behavior might not be right. It seems like the error handler is popped from the eh stack when it's executed. When I throw two exceptions in a row, I need to push_eh again before the second one if I resume straight from the error handler. |
| 18:59 |
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Tene |
I don't know if it's supposed to work like that or not. |
| 19:00 |
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rgrjr |
Tene: My reading of S04 is that Parrot should stay in the error context until the handler decides to exit. |
| 19:00 |
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particle |
we may need a list of use cases to get the tests right |
| 19:00 |
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chromatic |
Agreed. |
| 19:01 |
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chromatic |
tewk, would you like to report now? |
| 19:01 |
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Tene |
My biggest question was if resumable exceptions were already implemented or not. Allison told me that they would be in the pdd25cx merge, but I couldn't find anything that looked similar at all. |
| 19:01 |
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tewk |
* x86 jit of nci stubs is in nci_gsoc branch. |
| 19:01 |
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tewk |
* Working on x86_64 jit of nci stubs |
| 19:01 |
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tewk |
* Question what is the status of x86_64 jit, who was the last one to work on it? |
| 19:02 |
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tewk |
EOR |
| 19:02 |
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chromatic |
Probably Leo, but I'm sure it's been a while since anyone did anything other than "This may make it compile!" patching. |
| 19:02 |
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particle |
tewk: parrot fails to build for me in nci_gsoc branch with msvc atm |
| 19:02 |
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particle |
but let's take that bit to #parrot |
| 19:03 |
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chromatic |
cotto_work, you had a question too. |
| 19:03 |
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cotto_work |
background: I'm trying to get PHPArrays to play nice with Iterators. |
| 19:03 |
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cotto_work |
One of the features of PHPArrays is that they are ordered and have an internal pointer that refers to the current bucket during iterantion |
| 19:03 |
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cotto_work |
There are also next(), prev(), reset() and last() methods which move the internal pointer forward, backward, to first or last bucket, respectively. |
| 19:04 |
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cotto_work |
question: Are the Iterator and Key PMCs flexible enough to rely *only* on the internal pointer (or some other internal of the iterated PMC)? |
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chromatic |
I think they all use vtable entries to iterate through the iterated PMC. |
| 19:05 |
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chromatic |
If they don't, it's a bug. |
| 19:05 |
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* DietCoke |
belatedly arrives. |
| 19:06 |
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chromatic |
DietCoke, do you have a report? |
| 19:06 |
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cotto_work |
Can you me a high-level idea of how it should work? |
| 19:06 |
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cotto_work |
question & |
| 19:07 |
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chromatic |
cotto_work, the Iterator should keep the current position in the iterable as a key (0, 1, 2 .. n) and use get_foo_keyed_integer or whatever to retrieve that item when iterated on. |
| 19:07 |
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chromatic |
Though I'm not sure if it pokes into the guts of hash-like PMCs directly. |
| 19:08 |
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chromatic |
Basically, try it and see what breaks, so we know what to fix. |
| 19:08 |
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cotto_work |
ok. I'll see if that's enough to go from and report back later. |
| 19:09 |
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DietCoke |
Here's my report: |
| 19:09 |
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DietCoke |
no particular order. |
| 19:09 |
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DietCoke |
- continued working on partcl |
| 19:09 |
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DietCoke |
- started a flame^w discussion about branching on list. new svk sounds |
| 19:09 |
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DietCoke |
spiffy. |
| 19:09 |
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DietCoke |
- resolved a few old deprecated tickets. |
| 19:09 |
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DietCoke |
- Working to resolve removal of the old 'getclass' opcode. Feeback on the patch |
| 19:09 |
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DietCoke |
desired. |
| 19:09 |
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DietCoke |
.EOR |
| 19:10 |
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chromatic |
Did I miss any questions? pmichaud's queued question? |
| 19:10 |
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cotto_work |
<pmichaud> question/comment for today: Tene has submitted a patch for resumable exceptions -- Rakudo could really use this capability soon for lazy list operations (i.e., given/take). Any tuits that could be aimed at resumable exceptions would be ery helpful. |
| 19:10 |
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particle |
s/given/gather/ |
| 19:11 |
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particle |
i have a question for rgrjr |
| 19:11 |
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particle |
rgrjr: care to share your hll interop proposal (wiki) or do you prefer to work in isolation at this point? |
| 19:11 |
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Infinoid |
chromatic: 1 queued question here |
| 19:12 |
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chromatic |
Infinoid, let's give rgrjr one more minute to respond, and then go ahead. |
| 19:13 |
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rgrjr |
particle: I had hoped to post it by Sunday, but ran out of tuits. Since there's no way I can cover it all in detail, I had wanted at least to point out what's missing. But if you like, I can post what I have (tonight, probably). |
| 19:14 |
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particle |
no rush, but many hands light work etc |
| 19:15 |
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rgrjr |
Agreed. But, in light of the list conversation, my proposal has a definite slant, so I wanted to make a serious attempt at covering all the bases, at least in outline. |
| 19:17 |
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particle |
ok then, i await your finished draft for review :) |
| 19:17 |
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rgrjr |
s/finished/barely started/ ;-} |
| 19:17 |
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chromatic |
Alright, Infinoid please go. |
| 19:18 |
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Infinoid |
ok. is there anything blocked on having the ability to manipulate .pbc files from PIR (PDD13)? I'm only spending a day or two per month on this project, so I'm wondering if I should be coordinating with anyone else, or just keep doing my own thing. |
| 19:18 |
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chromatic |
Replacing IMCC with pirc, potentially. |
| 19:18 |
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Infinoid |
(that said, I have a vacation coming up next week which should include some good PDD13 hacking time.) |
| 19:18 |
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particle |
Infinoid: we'd like to generate pbc directly from post |
| 19:18 |
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particle |
chromatic++ |
| 19:19 |
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particle |
boat, beer, bytecode? |
| 19:19 |
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particle |
sounds like a good vacation |
| 19:20 |
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jonathan |
chromatic: PDD13 doesn't specify a great deal that will make generating the actual bytecode stream (in terms of the ops) a load easier. |
| 19:20 |
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jonathan |
For the overall packfiles, yes, for sure, but in terms of generating a sequence of opcodes etc less so. |
| 19:20 |
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chromatic |
It's progress though. |
| 19:20 |
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jonathan |
Oh, for sure. |
| 19:20 |
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Infinoid |
so, for that, you need some pmcs that will allow you to specify fields and add stuff, and stringify the whole lot? |
| 19:21 |
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chromatic |
PMCs or functions or something better than compilers/imcc/pbc.c |
| 19:21 |
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jonathan |
:-) |
| 19:21 |
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Infinoid |
great, thanks. |
| 19:21 |
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particle |
yes, we need to convert to/from pasm/pbc |
| 19:21 |
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particle |
string vs binary representation of bytecode |
| 19:22 |
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jonathan |
erm |
| 19:22 |
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Infinoid |
hmm... converting between pasm and pbc is pirc's job, right? |
| 19:22 |
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Infinoid |
I'm working on serialization/deserialization of the file format |
| 19:23 |
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jonathan |
Infinoid: Right. And the missing bit being discussed here is the data hold in one of the segments. |
| 19:23 |
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jonathan |
*held |
| 19:23 |
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Infinoid |
right |
| 19:23 |
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jonathan |
Or rather, code to generate it that isn't pbc.c |
| 19:23 |
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Infinoid |
if you can gimme an array of opcodes, I'll happily store them for you. |
| 19:23 |
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jonathan |
It's probably not crazily hard to do, but it's not especially easy either. |
| 19:24 |
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jonathan |
(I'd work on it, but my plate is a tad full right now...I just don't have extra tuits.) |
| 19:25 |
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Infinoid |
ok, thanks... end of question |
| 19:27 |
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chromatic |
Any other questions? |
| 19:28 |
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chromatic |
I think we're done then. |
| 19:28 |
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DietCoke |
One thing: |
| 19:28 |
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DietCoke |
Please go through the tickets that you have assigned to you in RT and see if any are waiting for you to review something. |
| 19:29 |
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DietCoke |
I noticed particle has at least one, perhaps there are some easy closers. |
| 19:29 |
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DietCoke |
. |
| 19:29 |
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chromatic |
Same time next week. Thank you everyone. |
| 19:29 |
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particle |
~~ |
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