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Whiteknight |
# What I did last week: |
| 16:45 |
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Whiteknight |
* Fixed one GC heisenbug that had been bothering Rakudo. Help from bacek++ |
| 16:45 |
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Whiteknight |
* Fixed a related bug in the gc-debug core involving PMCs on the stack and runloop recursion |
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Whiteknight |
* Looked into a second GC heisenbug but is not resolved yet. Can't reproduce it reliably yet. |
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Whiteknight |
* Added some documentation to the GC api.c on request from Infinoid++ |
| 16:45 |
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Whiteknight |
# What I am doing this week: |
| 16:45 |
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Whiteknight |
* Idle debugging, testing, closing tickets |
| 16:45 |
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Whiteknight |
* Hoping to close the io_cleanups branch, finally. |
| 16:45 |
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Whiteknight |
* Busy with $real_life this week, limited hacking time available. |
| 16:45 |
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Whiteknight |
# What I am blocking on: |
| 16:45 |
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Whiteknight |
* Nothing. |
| 16:47 |
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Coke |
Done: |
| 16:47 |
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Coke |
- partcl |
| 16:47 |
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Coke |
- Configure now checks parrot revision/release |
| 16:47 |
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Coke |
- rakudo |
| 16:47 |
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Coke |
- began sifting through RT. |
| 16:47 |
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Coke |
- trimmed down a rakudo segfault to plain PIR. |
| 16:47 |
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Coke |
Blocking: |
| 16:47 |
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Coke |
- partcl |
| 16:47 |
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Coke |
- TT #691 - can't build executable |
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Coke |
- TT #776 - segfault in <$I0 = isa $P0, 'Undef'> |
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Coke |
- https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/report/16 |
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Coke |
- http://code.google.com/p/partcl/wiki/ParrotIssues |
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Coke |
. |
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NotFound |
* Use HLL mappings in Parrot_str_split. |
| 16:58 |
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NotFound |
* Working on exceptions handling, TT #804 / RT #63592. |
| 16:58 |
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NotFound |
* Usual minor clean and fix. |
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NotFound |
EOR |
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* darbelo |
is trying out the "link to a report" idea from the wiki. |
| 17:33 |
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darbelo |
Report at: http://www.parrot.org/content/not-dead-yet |
| 17:33 |
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darbelo |
EOR |
| 17:35 |
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* moritz |
has no report today |
| 17:54 |
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Util |
# Done: |
| 17:54 |
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Util |
* Investigated pmichaud++ issue of fakecutable failing when perl6.pbc succeeds; not reproducible on my hardware. |
| 17:54 |
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Util |
* Worked privately on tinkertoy PPI-based 5->6 translator; no public repo yet. |
| 17:54 |
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Util |
* Ran out of tuits early. |
| 17:54 |
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Util |
# Plan for the week (or so): |
| 17:54 |
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Util |
* Carrying-over all items from last week. |
| 17:54 |
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Util |
* Commit /etc/magic file for Parrot bytecode, from PWMW last month. |
| 17:54 |
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Util |
* Currently reading: "Modern dynamic linking infrastructure", and linked-to articles. |
| 17:55 |
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Util |
- http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3474 |
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Util |
# Blockers: |
| 17:55 |
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Util |
* Minimal tuits this week. |
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Util |
.end |
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cotto |
# What I did: |
| 18:04 |
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cotto |
* Figured out the old ops2c code enough to decide what opsc's file structure should look like. |
| 18:04 |
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cotto |
* Created a new ops_pct branch. |
| 18:04 |
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cotto |
* Committed some minimal scaffolding code (makefile template, opsc.pir and a bunch of empty files) to get make working. |
| 18:04 |
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cotto |
* Got a minimal parser working. |
| 18:04 |
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cotto |
* Sneakily got bacek++ to do a bunch of work extending the parser, adding tests and actions. |
| 18:04 |
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cotto |
# What I hope to do and how many tuits I expect to have: |
| 18:04 |
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cotto |
* I'll continue working on opsc. It's reached the point where it's fun to work on, so progress should be good. |
| 18:04 |
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cotto |
* At a minimum, I expect to get the Op class written and integrated with the compiler. |
| 18:04 |
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cotto |
* The tuit outlook is good. |
| 18:04 |
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cotto |
# What could block my progress: |
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cotto |
* No blockers. |
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cotto |
.eor |
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fperrad |
* play with MinGW gcc 4.4.0 |
| 18:16 |
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fperrad |
* propose a new Configure step for thread : see TT #815 |
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fperrad |
EOR |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
What I did: |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* $otherjob |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* Rakudo now passing 11,580+ spectests |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* As of yesterday, Rakudo failing 112 tests (mostly related to -G bugs) |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* Closed lots of Rakudo RT tickets for Rakudo day |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* Added some more operators to Rakudo setting |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* Fixed some PGE and PCT bugs |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* Lots of testing to support -G debugging |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* Had long and useful conversation with allison++ regarding building from installed Parrot and 'make install' issues |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* Lots of long-term planning and brainstorming |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
What I'm doing this week: |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* 'make install' for Rakudo and Parrot |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* Carping about -G bugs |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* Rakudo day: 'rw' attribute on containers, BEGIN blocks (spill over from last week) |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* Planning events and presentations for OSCON, YAPC::EU |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* Completion of hll interop tasks for 1.4 release (this week and next) |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
What I'm blocking on: |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* Parrot -G bugs / memory corruption -- major blocker |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* Still cannot build from installed parrot |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
* Various perl6-tagged tickets in Trac |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
Queue two items |
| 18:21 |
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pmichaud |
EOR |
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chromatic |
No progress on the profiling runloop (sorry, cotto). |
| 18:24 |
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chromatic |
Chasing down memory errors Rakudo triggers; some progress there. |
| 18:24 |
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chromatic |
Will continue to work on those. Will attempt to get back on the profiling runloop. |
| 18:25 |
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allison |
- Ticket queue review, catching up on progress, answering questions. |
| 18:25 |
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allison |
- Testing Tcl and Rakudo from installed Parrot for build and install issues (looks like making the build paths match the install paths is only a small help, will also need configuration changes). |
| 18:25 |
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allison |
- Production process handholding on the book. |
| 18:25 |
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allison |
EOR |
| 18:25 |
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barney |
Pipp: Fixed a couple of OO-features |
| 18:25 |
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barney |
Tuits: Few, as I started new freelance project with OTRS AG |
| 18:25 |
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barney |
.eor |
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cotto |
hi |
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Coke |
~ |
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* Util |
is here |
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NotFound |
hola |
| 18:32 |
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pmichaud |
Hello. |
| 18:32 |
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fperrad |
Hello |
| 18:33 |
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darbelo |
Hola |
| 18:33 |
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barney |
hi |
| 18:34 |
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chromatic |
hello |
| 18:34 |
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allison |
hi |
| 18:34 |
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chromatic |
Did everyone report? |
| 18:34 |
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pmichaud |
reported. |
| 18:34 |
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chromatic |
Great. |
| 18:35 |
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chromatic |
Let's review our critical tasks. |
| 18:35 |
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chromatic |
#1 installation -- any progress? |
| 18:35 |
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pmichaud |
Allison and I had a very useful discussion on the topic last week after #ps |
| 18:35 |
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pmichaud |
I think we're in agreement that ideally Parrot's "make" will result in something that looks much closer to installed parrot |
| 18:36 |
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pmichaud |
One of my questions is whether that's to happen before 1.4, or after. |
| 18:36 |
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pmichaud |
I strongly prefer before, and I'm willing to dedicate significant tuits to that. |
| 18:37 |
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chromatic |
Any objections to before? |
| 18:37 |
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allison |
before is fine, as long as it's soon |
| 18:37 |
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pmichaud |
I'm thinking to prototype it in a branch. |
| 18:37 |
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allison |
as in, before next parrotsketch |
| 18:37 |
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pmichaud |
If the branch is ready by next week, great. If not, we say "we can't do it" and wait until after 1.4 |
| 18:37 |
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allison |
sounds reasonable |
| 18:37 |
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chromatic |
What do you need to work on it? |
| 18:38 |
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pmichaud |
mostly just assurance that my tuits wouldn't be better spent elsewhere :-) |
| 18:38 |
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pmichaud |
it sounds like it's okay to go forward with it |
| 18:38 |
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pmichaud |
the biggest thing we'll need is platform testers |
| 18:38 |
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chromatic |
Are there parts where other people can assist? |
| 18:38 |
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pmichaud |
sure |
| 18:38 |
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pmichaud |
I'll outline what needs to be done in an email after parrot sketch |
| 18:39 |
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chromatic |
Great, thank you. |
| 18:39 |
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pmichaud |
then I'll start the branch |
| 18:39 |
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chromatic |
Shall we move to #2? |
| 18:39 |
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pmichaud |
yes. |
| 18:39 |
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chromatic |
#2 -- using foreign language libraries |
| 18:40 |
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pmichaud |
that's also on my list to complete this week |
| 18:40 |
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chromatic |
Who else is available to work on this? |
| 18:40 |
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pmichaud |
I don't see any problems with that. Tene and others have been working on it already; I think it's just codifying some of what they've explored and chosen. |
| 18:41 |
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chromatic |
That sounds hopeful. |
| 18:41 |
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chromatic |
I like hopeful. |
| 18:41 |
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pmichaud |
yes -- there's been steady progress, we just need to wrap things up |
| 18:41 |
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pmichaud |
(more) |
| 18:41 |
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pmichaud |
on the other hand, this is an area that is currently receiving significant attention on the Perl 6 side of things, so it's probably worth holding a day or two to see if those changes land |
| 18:42 |
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chromatic |
Is there a list of open tasks? |
| 18:42 |
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cotto |
pmichaud, you mean holding back the release if needed? |
| 18:42 |
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pmichaud |
No, not holding back the release. |
| 18:42 |
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cotto |
ok |
| 18:42 |
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pmichaud |
Holding off on wrapping the task up. |
| 18:42 |
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pmichaud |
Regardless it will be ready in time for release. |
| 18:43 |
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pmichaud |
I don't have a list of open tasks at the moment, no. |
| 18:43 |
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pmichaud |
It doesn't feel "significant", though. |
| 18:43 |
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chromatic |
If it starts to look significant by Saturday, can you make a list of tasks for the list? |
| 18:44 |
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pmichaud |
sure. |
| 18:44 |
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chromatic |
#3 -- external API |
| 18:45 |
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chromatic |
I don't see jhorwitz here; is anyone else working on this? |
| 18:46 |
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chromatic |
Okay, I'll ask him for a status update. |
| 18:46 |
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chromatic |
What other tasks are priorities? |
| 18:46 |
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chromatic |
I know the memory bugs Rakudo and Tcl are running into are. |
| 18:46 |
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chromatic |
Whiteknight and I will work on those. |
| 18:47 |
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pmichaud |
Those are big-time blockers for Rakudo right now. |
| 18:47 |
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NotFound |
Isn't was supposed to be a wiki page about the extern/embed thing? |
| 18:47 |
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Whiteknight |
just tell me what you need |
| 18:47 |
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pmichaud |
If they aren't fixed, I don't know what to do for Rakudo's July release. |
| 18:47 |
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pmichaud |
Short of releasing something that has known failures. |
| 18:47 |
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Whiteknight |
we'll get them fixed |
| 18:48 |
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pmichaud |
Given that I've been carping about these same issues for a couple of years, I hope you'll pardon me if I'm not hopeful at this stage. |
| 18:48 |
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pmichaud |
That said, I'm very encouraged and appreciative of the efforts of this past week. |
| 18:48 |
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pmichaud |
I've seen some truly impressive work, so I guess there probably is hope. :-) |
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chromatic |
Other priorities? |
| 18:49 |
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pmichaud |
Are we likely to have the installed pbc_to_exe issues resolved before release? |
| 18:49 |
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chromatic |
I certainly hope so. |
| 18:49 |
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pmichaud |
Who is working on that? |
| 18:50 |
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chromatic |
I see some comments from Gerd. |
| 18:50 |
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chromatic |
Maybe Util and I can poke at it. |
| 18:50 |
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pmichaud |
it might "fall out" of the work I'm planning to do on an install refactor, but it might not. |
| 18:50 |
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Util |
I touched the ticket last. I can at least move it further along. |
| 18:51 |
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chromatic |
Should we wait to see what you're working on for installation? |
| 18:51 |
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pmichaud |
Given that there's some question as to whether installation will land by next week, I think it needs to go in parallel. |
| 18:51 |
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pmichaud |
because we really do need pbc_to_exe working, even if 'make' doesn't get refactored. |
| 18:51 |
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Util |
I am willing to work in parallel, and risk work being invalidated. |
| 18:51 |
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pmichaud |
I don't think it'll be invalidated. |
| 18:52 |
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pmichaud |
I think it'll end up being the same for the branch. |
| 18:52 |
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chromatic |
Alright, we'll work on it. |
| 18:52 |
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Coke |
I need to add a blocker. |
| 18:53 |
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chromatic |
Go ahead, Coke. |
| 18:54 |
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Coke |
apparently partcl would get more parrot developers hacking on related bugs but for the inability to build (easily) against both an installed parrot and a build-dir parrot. |
| 18:54 |
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Coke |
so, without that, my blockers have blockers. |
| 18:54 |
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Coke |
(thankfully, that issue seems to be on the list.) |
| 18:54 |
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chromatic |
Agreed. |
| 18:54 |
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pmichaud |
Coke: making it easier to build easily against a build-dir parrot is the focus of my "make refactor" |
| 18:57 |
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chromatic |
Other blockers? |
| 18:57 |
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pmichaud |
I have one |
| 18:57 |
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pmichaud |
at least, a minor issue |
| 18:57 |
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chromatic |
go ahead |
| 18:58 |
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pmichaud |
currently when building/testing Rakudo against an installed parrot, an installed copy of dynops/dynpmcs will always take precedence over the locally built one |
| 18:58 |
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pmichaud |
is that by design or is that a bug? |
| 18:59 |
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Coke |
I vote bug. |
| 18:59 |
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allison |
it's a question of search paths |
| 18:59 |
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allison |
one or the other has to have priority |
| 19:00 |
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spinclad |
or specify $(WHICH_DIR)/dynops in makefile ? |
| 19:00 |
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pmichaud |
for library paths, the versiondir path is the last one searched |
| 19:00 |
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pmichaud |
for language paths, the versiondir path is the last one searched |
| 19:00 |
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allison |
pmichaud: it is searching the local dir last |
| 19:01 |
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pmichaud |
allison: right. This is different from library/language |
| 19:01 |
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pmichaud |
so I'm wondering if that's by design or if it's just a bug |
| 19:01 |
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allison |
call it a bug in design |
| 19:01 |
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pmichaud |
if by design, it makes it harder to build a new version of rakudo if there's already a version installed |
| 19:02 |
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pmichaud |
because you always get the old dynext stuff |
| 19:02 |
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allison |
versiondir should still be last |
| 19:02 |
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allison |
and it should still follow the "runtime" dir search |
| 19:02 |
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pmichaud |
okay. I'll fix versiondir. |
| 19:02 |
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allison |
(which is probably going away in your branch) |
| 19:02 |
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pmichaud |
yes, runtime should be going away in the branch. |
| 19:02 |
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allison |
but the one that's searching plain "dynext/" should be first |
| 19:02 |
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pmichaud |
in the sense of "not in the library search path" |
| 19:03 |
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pmichaud |
okay. |
| 19:03 |
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pmichaud |
If nobody beats me to them I'll fix. |
| 19:03 |
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chromatic |
Other blockers? |
| 19:05 |
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chromatic |
Alright, let's call this a meeting then. |
| 19:05 |
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chromatic |
Thank you everyone. |
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