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Rakudo - - Working on some sample code for masak. |
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Coke |
Parrot - - fix editor/skeleton.pir - fix crow |
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Coke |
(er, paste failure.) |
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Coke |
Rakudo - - Working on some sample code for masak. |
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Parrot - - fix editor/skeleton.pir - fix crow - add some experimental/deprecated tickets to track status. |
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Coke |
- Find a parrot segfault. (fixed by notfound++ & plobsing++) |
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Coke |
- However, currently failing all tests. Could use more eyes. |
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Coke |
WillDo: - Begin preparing for 2.6 stable release. - rip out recursive make for docs/ - more dependency fixups (and autogeneration) |
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.EOHORRIBLYFORMATTEDREPORT> |
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mikehh |
What I did since my last report: |
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mikehh |
* building and testing parrot on amd64/i386, with gcc/g++ |
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mikehh |
* various fixes |
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mikehh |
* branch testing and some fixes |
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mikehh |
* fixed perlcritic in ops_pct branch to ignore files with shebang line of #! nqp |
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mikehh |
What I intend to do in the next week: |
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mikehh |
* testing and fixing |
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mikehh |
* documentation |
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mikehh |
.eor |
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NotFound |
What I did: |
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NotFound |
-parrot |
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NotFound |
* Added find_codepoint opcode following pmichaud++ suggestion and |
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NotFound |
discussion on IRC. |
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NotFound |
* Added experimental function Parrot_str_unescape_string, intended |
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NotFound |
to sanitize semantic of string literals in pir. |
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NotFound |
* Shortened generated code for the Object PMC. |
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NotFound |
* Fixed and updated pbc_checker. |
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NotFound |
* Added unroll opcode to handle the inner runloop problem in exception |
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NotFound |
handling. |
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NotFound |
* Miscellaneous fixes and cleanups. |
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NotFound |
-winxed |
| 18:06 |
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NotFound |
* Always escape non-ascii chars in generated PIR string literals. |
| 18:06 |
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NotFound |
* Use the unroll opcode. |
| 18:06 |
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NotFound |
* Use pir .const directive for const string. |
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NotFound |
What I will do: |
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NotFound |
No plan |
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NotFound |
EOR |
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cotto_work |
#did: |
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cotto_work |
- opsc cleanup work |
| 18:43 |
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cotto_work |
- made ops2c.nqp use Getopt::Obj for arg processing |
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cotto_work |
- switched ops_pct to use ops2c nqp fakecutable to build ops by default |
| 18:43 |
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cotto_work |
- moved ops.h code out of ops2c.nqp into opsc |
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cotto_work |
- nuked ops2c perl code in ops_pct branch |
| 18:43 |
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cotto_work |
- updated opsc tests |
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cotto_work |
- found a bug introduced by NotFound++, who quickly fixed it and added a test |
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cotto_work |
- figured out opsrenumber |
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cotto_work |
- grammar |
| 18:44 |
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cotto_work |
- fixed most or all misuses of "it's" in svn |
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cotto_work |
- you're welcome |
| 18:44 |
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cotto_work |
- gsoc |
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cotto_work |
- met with Khairul on Monday, answered some technical questions (extra runcore data and dynpmc building) |
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cotto_work |
- he'll be working in a svn branch as soon as he gets his commit bit |
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cotto_work |
#will do: |
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cotto_work |
- move opsrenumber functionality into opsc |
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cotto_work |
- answer any questions khairul has, do code review |
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cotto_work |
#eor |
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cotto_work |
q1q (and I bet you can guess what it is) |
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* Did: |
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Whiteknight |
- lots of testing |
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Whiteknight |
- cut the 2.4.0 "Sulfur Crest" release |
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Whiteknight |
*EOR |
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tcurtis |
What I've Done: |
| 19:36 |
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* Wrote a blog post about the API of PAST::Pattern and related things. |
| 19:36 |
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tcurtis |
* Started work on an implementation of Go for Parrot(named Fly, since that's how Parrots go) then stopped upon realizing that all the PCT docs are for PGE and old NQP. |
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tcurtis |
* Asked for a low-level PMC role for things that support invoke VTABLE and got "invokable" thanks to bacek++ |
| 19:36 |
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tcurtis |
* Finished high school. |
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tcurtis |
What I will do: |
| 19:36 |
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tcurtis |
* Officially graduate high school |
| 19:36 |
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tcurtis |
* Start coding on PAST::Walker. |
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tcurtis |
* Hopefully get a commit bit |
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tcurtis |
EOR |
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tcurtis |
UNEOR the url of mentioned blog post is http://www.parrot.org/content/[…]-pattern-matching EORAGAIN |
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chromatic |
I ... didn't get much done and I likely won't until the weekend at the earliest. |
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darbelo |
DONE |
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darbelo |
- Build cleanups in ops_pct branch. |
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darbelo |
- Started implementing ucs-4 expect commits by tomorrow. |
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darbelo |
- Finishing up this week's blog post right now. |
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darbelo |
TODO |
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darbelo |
- Finish ucs-4. Turned out ICU isn't as helpful there as I hoped. |
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darbelo |
- Finish the blog post. Half an hour tops. |
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darbelo |
- Create an svn branch and start cracking on the grapheme table implementation. |
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darbelo |
EOR. |
| 20:09 |
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Util |
# Done: |
| 20:09 |
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Util |
* Created branch pbc_to_exe_direct_output to reduce memory usage for Rakudo build |
| 20:09 |
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Util |
= The memory issue was already alleviated by strings improvements in trunk, but this removes the hot-spot for the future. |
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Util |
* Recovered my work on TT#1302 (PIR todo() is frequently misused). |
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Util |
= Commiting tomorrow. |
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Util |
# Plan to do: |
| 20:09 |
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Util |
* Brain-dump pbc_to_exe knowledge into a Wiki page. |
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Util |
# Blockers: |
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Util |
* $WORK |
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Util |
.end |
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allison |
Between the Ubuntu Developer Summit and preparing for my first exam tomorrow morning, I had no time to work on Parrot this week. |
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allison |
EOR |
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cotto_work |
good afternoon |
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mikehh |
hi all |
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chromatic |
Hello, everyone. |
| 20:31 |
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Util |
Hello |
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darbelo |
Hola. |
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smash |
hello everyone |
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allison |
hiya |
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NotFound |
Hola. |
| 20:31 |
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chromatic |
Let's review last week. |
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chromatic |
2.4.0 is out. How'd that go? |
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Coke |
whiteknight isn't here. |
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Coke |
he didn't complain much. more announcements to go out later. had to back out some last minute commits that came in too close to the release. |
| 20:32 |
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darbelo |
We had a slight hitch with the trunk freeze, IIUC. |
| 20:33 |
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chromatic |
Any thoughts on preventative measures? |
| 20:33 |
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cotto_work |
talk to fperrad |
| 20:34 |
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Coke |
a git workflow might help avoid it. |
| 20:34 |
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darbelo |
We might want to use svn ACL features in the future, as a stop-gap before git time is here. |
| 20:34 |
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Coke |
keep an eye on commit log emails if you're the RM is a good temporary workaround. |
| 20:34 |
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darbelo |
That too. |
| 20:35 |
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chromatic |
Other thoughts? |
| 20:35 |
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cotto_work |
Wouldn't non-technical measures be a better first resort? |
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moritz |
I don't think it happens often enough to require thorough investigation yet |
| 20:35 |
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darbelo |
cotto_work: Probably, but I'm no good with those. |
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chromatic |
Let's start with non-technical stuff. |
| 20:37 |
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chromatic |
Other review of last week. How'd we do on tests and documentation? |
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chromatic |
That doesn't sound promising. |
| 20:39 |
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mikehh |
some tests were added and I did some testing |
| 20:39 |
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NotFound |
I added some tests after breaking things because of not having such tests X-) |
| 20:39 |
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Util |
I am working on wiki braindumps of pbc_to_exe, and of the build process in overview, but have nothing posted yet. |
| 20:40 |
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chromatic |
I know Util's looking at a review of some TODO tests. |
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chromatic |
Are there other places where we have potential breakage due to the lack of tests? |
| 20:41 |
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Util |
Mostly those are just TODO changing to SKIP, or to conditioned TODOs; it will not improved them beyond that. |
| 20:41 |
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darbelo |
At least one of the codetests was taught stay out of ext/ |
| 20:42 |
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darbelo |
That's an improvement. |
| 20:42 |
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mikehh |
there are some TODO's that pass on i386 but not on amd64 (Ubuntu that is) |
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chromatic |
We should make that a design priority, to identify undertested systems when we're working on them. |
| 20:42 |
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chromatic |
That goes double for systems that are currently difficult to test. |
| 20:43 |
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Util |
re: potential breakage - should we be running the test suite on installed_parrot? |
| 20:43 |
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chromatic |
+1 |
| 20:44 |
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allison |
yes |
| 20:44 |
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mikehh |
AFAIK there are problems there |
| 20:44 |
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allison |
yes, it doesn't work at the moment |
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allison |
but it *should* work |
| 20:45 |
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allison |
useful for testing packages after installing them too |
| 20:45 |
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chromatic |
Any volunteers to look into it? |
| 20:45 |
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NotFound |
That TODO is flawed, it uses a file build in a particular architecture file for an arch dependant test. |
| 20:46 |
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mikehh |
I'll look at it - how far I'll get is another story |
| 20:46 |
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chromatic |
Knowing the problems is itself good progress. |
| 20:46 |
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chromatic |
Anything else to review from last week? |
| 20:47 |
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NotFound |
We need to build some pbc with the current parrot for that kind of tests, instead of using native_pbc |
| 20:47 |
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mikehh |
we got a lot of stuff related to codestring moved to trunk |
| 20:47 |
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mikehh |
string_builder |
| 20:47 |
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Coke |
that's all in StringBuilder. |
| 20:47 |
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Coke |
right. |
| 20:47 |
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NotFound |
I added the unroll opcode, review and opinions needed. |
| 20:48 |
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NotFound |
TT #1635 |
| 20:48 |
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chromatic |
allison and I talked about syntax improvements to PIR to do something similar. |
| 20:50 |
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NotFound |
Probably a helper syntax will need the opcode anyway. |
| 20:50 |
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chromatic |
I'd like to experiment with that, especially with NQP. |
| 20:50 |
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chromatic |
I'm curious to see how it affects Rakudo. |
| 20:51 |
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NotFound |
I'm using it in winxed right now, but don't make specific testing yet. |
| 20:52 |
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chromatic |
Let's move on to plans for this week. |
| 20:52 |
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chromatic |
What should we focus on? |
| 20:52 |
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mikehh |
ops_pct merge? |
| 20:53 |
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cotto_work |
should be possible |
| 20:53 |
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* bacek |
is there... Almost. |
| 20:53 |
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cotto_work |
just needs opsrenumber |
| 20:54 |
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mikehh |
how almost is that |
| 20:54 |
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cotto_work |
well, that's more iwbn than a need |
| 20:55 |
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chromatic |
Sounds like that's well under way. Any other priorities? Rakudo needs? |
| 20:56 |
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darbelo |
jnthn reported failures to the list. Any news on that? |
| 20:56 |
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chromatic |
Looked related to ICU versions to me. |
| 20:57 |
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darbelo |
Anything our config step could do about it? |
| 20:57 |
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chromatic |
If it's related to ICU 3 versus ICU 4, config could refuse to use ICU older than 4.x |
| 20:58 |
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chromatic |
I don't know that we've verified if it's that, though. |
| 20:58 |
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cotto_work |
quick unrelated q, if I may |
| 20:58 |
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Coke |
jnthn couldn't duplicate it on his laptop but only his desktop, so it's something versiony. |
| 20:58 |
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darbelo |
Also, we should probably revisit if we want to keep ICU optional or make it mandatory. |
| 20:59 |
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cotto_work |
I'd like to propose that my gsoc student khairul (trac username "khairul") be given a commit bit with me as his mentor. |
| 20:59 |
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darbelo |
Not right now, but maybe before our next supported release. |
| 20:59 |
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chromatic |
When does coding start? |
| 20:59 |
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darbelo |
The 24th |
| 21:00 |
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allison |
darbelo: last pass through we decided to say that ICU is required for Rakudo, but optional for Parrot |
| 21:00 |
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allison |
(to avoid unnecessarily heavy installs of Parrot in resource constrained systems, like, say, mobile phones) |
| 21:00 |
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cotto_work |
afk 20m |
| 21:01 |
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darbelo |
allison: Then rakudo needs to enforce it. I've built rakudo on ICU-less parrots and only noticed after tests failed for me. |
| 21:01 |
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Coke |
darbelo: that's up to rakudo. |
| 21:01 |
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darbelo |
I'll look into it later and see if I can send them a patch for it. |
| 21:02 |
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allison |
darbelo: should be easy enough for rakudo to check that in their config |
| 21:02 |
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Coke |
good luck. pretty sure jnthn isn't using icu. =-) |
| 21:03 |
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Coke |
If folks who opened deprecation tickets can make sure they have a summary that says "This is what the new thing looks like", it would be helpful for those trying to close out these old tickets. |
| 21:04 |
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chromatic |
Any other thoughts on ICU and versions and potential failures, or do we need more data? |
| 21:04 |
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tcurtis |
moritz is collecting version number data on that, I think. |
| 21:05 |
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chromatic |
Alright. |
| 21:05 |
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chromatic |
Let's move on to GSoC. Do students need commit bits? |
| 21:07 |
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Coke |
I see no problem with giving them bits for the project duration assuming mentors are about. |
| 21:07 |
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Coke |
(and have already done that for one I think.) |
| 21:07 |
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mikehh |
if they are used responsibly |
| 21:08 |
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chromatic |
Standard lecture: work in your branch, don't break trunk, be responsible. |
| 21:08 |
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allison |
also fine with it, especially if they're primarily working on branches |
| 21:08 |
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allison |
(and usual CLA rules) |
| 21:08 |
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chromatic |
Students in the channel: please contact your mentors. Mentors, please shepherd your students. |
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| 21:11 |
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chromatic |
Shall we move on to roadmap review? |
| 21:12 |
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bacek |
+1 |
| 21:12 |
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chromatic |
allison? |
| 21:13 |
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allison |
no work on GC this week |
| 21:13 |
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allison |
that's pretty much it |
| 21:13 |
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chromatic |
I'm blocked on time... and waiting to hear about bacek's fixed-number-of-gcables bitmask marking approach. |
| 21:15 |
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bacek |
chromatic, it's still "sweep" phase. May be little bit faster due reading only bitmask instead of full headers. |
| 21:15 |
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chromatic |
Can you write up a description of the algorithm and data structures on the wiki? |
| 21:16 |
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bacek |
chromatic, yes, later today. |
| 21:16 |
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chromatic |
I hope to be able to start implementing something after this weekend. |
| 21:16 |
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chromatic |
Any other questions? |
| 21:17 |
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chromatic |
Let's wrap it up then. |
| 21:17 |
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bacek |
Can we deprecate gc_mark_pobj_alive? |
| 21:17 |
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chromatic |
In favor of what? |
| 21:17 |
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bacek |
In favour of PObj* gc_walk_pobj(PObj**) |
| 21:18 |
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chromatic |
For copying/compacting? |
| 21:18 |
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bacek |
Yes |
| 21:18 |
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chromatic |
I'm not certain that's the right approach. It seems early to do that. |
| 21:19 |
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bacek |
Basically, there is only one place where we have information about PMC memory layout - VTABLE_mark |
| 21:20 |
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bacek |
And I do want to extend it to provide more information for GC |
| 21:21 |
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bacek |
(Let's discuss it on #parrot) |
| 21:22 |
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chromatic |
Okay, thanks everyone. |
| 21:23 |
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tcurtis |
I have a question. |
| 21:23 |
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chromatic |
Go ahead. |
| 21:23 |
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tcurtis |
Is there any up-to-date documentation for PCT? |
| 21:24 |
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tcurtis |
If not, can someone who is knowledegable about it work on some? |
| 21:24 |
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Whiteknight |
may need to write it |
| 21:24 |
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chromatic |
pmichaud keeps threatening to work on it, but it's definitely not there. |
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bacek |
tcurtis, perldoc compilers/pct/src/PAST/Nodes.pir |
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Coke |
tcurtis: they told me the same thing when I asked. there is no good tutorial documentation, methinks. |
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tcurtis |
bacek: I was insufficiently specific. I was inquiring about overall documentation from a compiler-writer's perspective, especially concerning grammars. |
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Tene |
tcurtis: the documentation right now is: the PCT source, and the source of other compilers that use PCT. |
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bacek |
tcurtis, I don't think that we have (good) docs for nqp-rx. You can read squaak tutorial for slightly outdated usage of PGE/PCT. |
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* Util |
has had to clone-and-hack existing NQP, for lack of good NQP docs. |
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Coke |
bacek: that's most unhelpful. =-) |
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bacek |
Coke, at least it covers PCT part :) |
| 21:33 |
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Tene |
I'd love to work on PCT docs. It's been on my tasklist for a long time. |
| 21:33 |
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Coke |
tene++ |
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chromatic |
MEETING OVER |
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Util |
so noted :) |
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