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NotFound |
Last week I didn't do a report, this one is for two weeks. |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
What I did: |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
-parrot |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
* merge mappedbytearray branch |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
* move Parrot_io_parse_open_flags from io/filehandle.c to io/api.c |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
* add init_int vtable to Exception PMC |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
* minor fixes |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
* add some tests |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
-winxed |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
* Put stage 0 up to date with changes in encoding |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
* Fix problems reported from GCI tasks |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
* Fix post inc and dec operator in void context in stage 1 |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
* Several minor fixes, refactors and nano optimizations |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
* Experiments with class creation on the fly and JS-alike method search |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
What I will do: |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
No fixed plan |
| 17:57 |
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NotFound |
EOR |
| 18:00 |
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mikehh |
What I did since my last report: |
| 18:00 |
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mikehh |
* building and testing parrot on amd64/i386, with gcc/g++ |
| 18:00 |
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mikehh |
* some fixes |
| 18:00 |
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mikehh |
* testing Rakudo and Winxed on latest parrot |
| 18:00 |
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mikehh |
What I intend to do in the next week: |
| 18:00 |
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mikehh |
* testing and fixing |
| 18:00 |
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mikehh |
.eor |
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whiteknight |
WHAT I DID: |
| 19:30 |
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whiteknight |
* More work on embed_api branch. Lots of fixes. Help from kid51++, Coke++, and bluescreen++ We've identified and fixed several problems and test failures. Only remaining failures that I see now are in codestd tests |
| 19:30 |
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whiteknight |
* Blogging. Talking about Lorito and starting a series about "GC for Newbies" to explain the concepts to an audience unfamiliar with them. |
| 19:30 |
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whiteknight |
* Started a new project, Parrot# ("ParrotSharp"), which is going to wrap the new embedding API for use in .NET/Mono applications. Work moving very slowly |
| 19:30 |
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whiteknight |
* Working on GCI, trying to keep up with students |
| 19:30 |
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whiteknight |
WHAT I WILL DO: |
| 19:30 |
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whiteknight |
* Trying to get embed_api2 passing all tests |
| 19:30 |
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whiteknight |
* When it's passing tests, I want to update it to master again. There are going to be some conflicts |
| 19:30 |
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whiteknight |
* Would like to prepare a merger for shortly after 2.11 |
| 19:30 |
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whiteknight |
* Need to send some mails to the list about the coming release. |
| 19:30 |
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whiteknight |
BLOCKING ON: |
| 19:30 |
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whiteknight |
* Nothing |
| 19:32 |
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cotto_work |
*did: |
| 19:32 |
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cotto_work |
- met with allison, chromatic and dukeleto to figure out a direction for Lorito |
| 19:32 |
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cotto_work |
- rough notes at https://gist.github.com/740858 |
| 19:32 |
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cotto_work |
- approved/reviewed some gci tasks |
| 19:32 |
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cotto_work |
*will do: |
| 19:32 |
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cotto_work |
- more gci review/approval |
| 19:32 |
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cotto_work |
- write out more well-formed thoughts on Lorito |
| 19:32 |
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cotto_work |
*blockers: |
| 19:32 |
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cotto_work |
- none |
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cotto_work |
*eor |
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cotto_work |
q2q |
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Coke |
I tried to compile embed_api2 and complained a bit. EOR. |
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chromatic |
I pushed a new Lorito branch just after dukeleto did. |
| 20:29 |
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Util |
# 7-day Ticket Report: |
| 20:29 |
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Util |
2 closed: fixed |
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Util |
2 closed: invalid |
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Util |
9 new |
| 20:29 |
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Util |
2 reopened |
| 20:29 |
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Util |
# Done: |
| 20:29 |
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Util |
* No pure-Parrot work this week. |
| 20:29 |
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Util |
# Plan to do: |
| 20:29 |
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Util |
* Pbc_to_exe work. |
| 20:29 |
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Util |
# Blockers |
| 20:29 |
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Util |
* masak++ 5-problem Perl 6 contest <<< tuits |
| 20:29 |
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Util |
.end |
| 20:31 |
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cotto_work |
hello |
| 20:31 |
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mikehh |
hi there |
| 20:31 |
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Util |
Hello |
| 20:32 |
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NotFound |
Hola |
| 20:32 |
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chromatic |
hello |
| 20:34 |
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chromatic |
How'd we do with last week's goals? |
| 20:34 |
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tcurtis |
Hi. |
| 20:35 |
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NotFound |
About MBA: increased coverage a little, no demo AFAIK |
| 20:36 |
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chromatic |
Any other particular goals? |
| 20:36 |
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chromatic |
I've seen a lot of embedding API work and some Lorito branch work. |
| 20:36 |
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chromatic |
Any status on those? |
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NotFound |
embdding is in whiteknight report |
| 20:37 |
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chromatic |
What's the status of the GSOC branches, any progress there? |
| 20:38 |
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cotto_work |
nothing on my end (gsoc_instrument) |
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chromatic |
Let's talk about next week then. |
| 20:38 |
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chromatic |
Our release is next Tuesday, correct? |
| 20:40 |
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cotto_work |
yes, with whiteknight as the release manager |
| 20:40 |
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whiteknight |
and it's going to be a good one |
| 20:40 |
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chromatic |
Anything we should concentrate on before then? |
| 20:40 |
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NotFound |
Releases dates are no more on google calendar? |
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whiteknight |
I think we should focus on tickets and DEPRECATED.pod |
| 20:41 |
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whiteknight |
lots of gold to be mined there, I think |
| 20:41 |
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mikehh |
how about html_cleanup for inclusion |
| 20:41 |
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whiteknight |
ah yes, that's a good one |
| 20:41 |
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NotFound |
whiteknight: some is already mined |
| 20:41 |
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whiteknight |
NotFound: yes. It's still something good to work on before the release |
| 20:42 |
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NotFound |
Agreed |
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* kid51 |
joins late. Report: Merged tt532_headerizer_refactor. Did testing for whiteknight of embed_api2 on Darwin and Linux. EOR |
| 20:42 |
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Coke |
(google calendar) I only put them so far out the last time i entered them. |
| 20:42 |
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* kid51 |
signed PaFo documents; mailed them yesterday |
| 20:44 |
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chromatic |
Shall we say "Remove deprecations | close tickets | merge html_cleanup and embed_api"? |
| 20:46 |
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NotFound |
+1 |
| 20:46 |
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mikehh |
+1 |
| 20:47 |
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whiteknight |
embed_api2 might not merge till after the release |
| 20:47 |
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whiteknight |
still have lots of docs and tests to write |
| 20:47 |
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whiteknight |
but otherwise, +1 |
| 20:47 |
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chromatic |
Let's keep it as a goal. |
| 20:47 |
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whiteknight |
alrighty then |
| 20:48 |
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chromatic |
Done. |
| 20:48 |
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chromatic |
Are there any questions? |
| 20:48 |
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NotFound |
cotto_work queued 2 |
| 20:48 |
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chromatic |
Just saw. cotto_work? |
| 20:48 |
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cotto_work |
While most gci contributions have been numous and of high quality, we've had some low-quality README translations. Does anyone who has experience with non-native English speakers (or who is one) know whether native-language READMEs will make people more likely to contribute to Parrot? |
| 20:49 |
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cotto_work |
i.e. Do we want to continue to solicit README translations? |
| 20:49 |
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NotFound |
In the Spanish case, I don't think so. |
| 20:50 |
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NotFound |
Most Spanish able to contribute will use translations only for laugh at the errors or erratas. |
| 20:50 |
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mikehh |
also where should we put translations in the docs/html etc |
| 20:51 |
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kid51 |
mikehh: Why not in the same directory as README? |
| 20:51 |
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NotFound |
(in some cases, to endlessly discuss the more appropiate translation for any thecnical term) |
| 20:52 |
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NotFound |
(just look for librería/biblioteca in Spanish programming forum) |
| 20:52 |
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kid51 |
NotFound: My impression is that attitudes on this question differ both among different non-English languages and different speakers of a given non-English language. |
| 20:52 |
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mikehh |
could be, but what about any other translations |
| 20:53 |
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NotFound |
kid51: most probably, Spanish people (specialy in Spain) are peculiar in this matter. |
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kid51 |
I think we can steer a middle path. |
| 20:54 |
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chromatic |
Could we make a blanket policy about the translation of technical terms, such as "always prefer the English term"? |
| 20:54 |
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kid51 |
chromatic: That will get you into trouble in France :-) |
| 20:55 |
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chromatic |
You can put me on record as not caring about the French Academy. |
| 20:55 |
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kid51 |
dukeleto suggested plunking down READMEs in branches for now |
| 20:55 |
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NotFound |
(not me, I talk like native americans in bad old westerns and I don't care) |
| 20:56 |
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whiteknight |
you mean Italians badly acting like native americans in bad old westerns |
| 20:56 |
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kid51 |
but, in any event, I think that unless we actually put some non-Anglo READMEs up on github somewhere, we won't get enough feedback to know what the best policy is |
| 20:56 |
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chromatic |
I agree with kid51. |
| 20:56 |
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kid51 |
We can add a request for patches to the translation at the bottom of each non-Anglo README. |
| 20:56 |
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NotFound |
whiteknight: no, even older westerns. Sergio Leone ones are more recent and are great! |
| 20:57 |
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whiteknight |
:) |
| 20:58 |
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cotto_work |
kid51: good idea. Let's go with that. |
| 20:58 |
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cotto_work |
what about accepting future README translations? |
| 20:58 |
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kid51 |
If one of us thinks a *particular* translation is bad, we won't put it up. But if a reviewer says that a given translation is somewhat workable, let's post it. |
| 20:59 |
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whiteknight |
maybe we need a /translations/drafts/ folder to hold drafts of translations of things |
| 20:59 |
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Coke |
whiteknight: just use the wiki |
| 20:59 |
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kid51 |
whiteknight: Not a bad idea |
| 20:59 |
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whiteknight |
anything that hasn't passed muster from a native speaker is a draft and we use that as a hook to ellicit more contributions |
| 20:59 |
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kid51 |
whiteknight++ |
| 20:59 |
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chromatic |
How do we know which native speaker to trust? |
| 20:59 |
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Coke |
(I also don't particularly want the top level to have 50 README.*'s) |
| 21:00 |
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kid51 |
Colleagues at $job is good starting point. |
| 21:00 |
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kid51 |
leverage people we know in worldwide Perl 5 et al communities |
| 21:01 |
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kid51 |
Even if, say, Parrot has no expert developers in Brazil, we certainly know Perl 5 people there. |
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whiteknight |
if we end up with a really lousy translation of something, we'll find out when somebody comes to us and says "this translation is really lousy" |
| 21:01 |
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whiteknight |
we have to trust the translator until somebody complains |
| 21:02 |
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kid51 |
I could get feedback on a dozen languages just by walking around the office. |
| 21:02 |
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whiteknight |
and then we ask the complainer to submit a patch |
| 21:02 |
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kid51 |
Not expert, but workable feedback. |
| 21:02 |
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mikehh |
we have various devs who speak languages other than english, they shoulkd look |
| 21:03 |
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NotFound |
mikehh: I don't feel good about asking for translations when I already know I'm going to reject them. |
| 21:04 |
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NotFound |
With 99.9% confidence. |
| 21:04 |
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kid51 |
NotFound: Then take yourself out of that loop. We can have other people review Spanish. |
| 21:06 |
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chromatic |
Any other discussion on this topic? |
| 21:06 |
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kid51 |
Not from me. |
| 21:07 |
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chromatic |
cotto_work, other questions? |
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| 21:07 |
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cotto_work |
Does anyone have burning questions about the Lorito braindump that I should be sure to address? |
| 21:07 |
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plobsing |
q1q |
| 21:08 |
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mikehh |
q1q |
| 21:08 |
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chromatic |
I suppose then... plobsing? |
| 21:08 |
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kid51 |
cotto_work: I don't want you to dumb-down your report on the braindump, but to the extent possible, make it accessible |
| 21:08 |
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cotto_work |
kid51: ok. |
| 21:08 |
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kid51 |
(meaning ... I have no clue as to what's going on there) ;-) |
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cotto_work |
for reference, do you think anything I've posted so far has been dumbed-down or is it appropriately dumb already. ;) |
| 21:09 |
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plobsing |
I've marked complex as deprecated. anyone object to this? |
| 21:09 |
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cotto_work |
q1q |
| 21:09 |
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kid51 |
no, it's just that whiteknight's posts had my brain spinning ... out of my league, I guess |
| 21:09 |
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mikehh |
plobsing: why would you want to do that? |
| 21:10 |
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cotto_work |
ok. If something's hard to grok, just post a comment and I'll clarify. |
| 21:10 |
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whiteknight |
kid51: Yeah, that post was off-the-cuff and high-level. I'll make it more accessible |
| 21:10 |
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cotto_work |
If anyone else has question, just post in #parrot with my nick. I'll make sure to find it. |
| 21:10 |
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cotto_work |
eoq |
| 21:10 |
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plobsing |
mikehh: it doesn't get any love and it is full of bugs |
| 21:10 |
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kid51 |
plobsing: What would be the replacement if that were removed? |
| 21:11 |
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mikehh |
plobsing: then it needs to have someone review it |
| 21:11 |
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plobsing |
replacement: cook it up yourself (rakudo already does) |
| 21:11 |
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plobsing |
anyone who cares enough about complex to build it for their own purposes stands a much better chance of doing it right |
| 21:12 |
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plobsing |
or at least less wrong than us (that's a pretty low bar) |
| 21:12 |
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mikehh |
then we should incorporate the rakudo solution |
| 21:12 |
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cotto_work |
I think the point is that it's not useful as it stands and that it doesn't really belong in core. |
| 21:12 |
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whiteknight |
I'm happy to start a new project to hold Complex, and to maintain it |
| 21:13 |
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mikehh |
whiteknight: +1 |
| 21:13 |
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whiteknight |
PLA depends on Complex, so either I can merge it into there or start it as a new project and use it as a dependency |
| 21:14 |
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cotto_work |
That sounds like an acceptable solution to me. Any objections to doing that after a deprecation cycle? |
| 21:14 |
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chromatic |
We can deprecate it and see who yells. |
| 21:14 |
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whiteknight |
+1 |
| 21:14 |
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mikehh |
so how do you handle those bugs |
| 21:14 |
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whiteknight |
what bugs? |
| 21:14 |
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Coke |
... correct order is to copy it /first/, then deprecate the in-place version. |
| 21:14 |
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mikehh |
in PLA I mean |
| 21:15 |
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whiteknight |
mikehh: I don't know, it will be a learning experience |
| 21:15 |
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cotto_work |
Coke: I think that's what's being suggested. if not, it should be. |
| 21:17 |
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chromatic |
Any other questions about Complex? |
| 21:17 |
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whiteknight |
yes, that's what I'll do. After embed_api2 is fixed and merged I will start a copy |
| 21:17 |
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cotto_work |
whiteknight: can you say as much in the ticket (http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1892 )? |
| 21:18 |
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whiteknight |
yessir |
| 21:18 |
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chromatic |
mikehh, question? |
| 21:20 |
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mikehh |
what are we going to do about aloha - it's MIA as is bacek |
| 21:20 |
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whiteknight |
we're talking about that in #parrot right now |
| 21:20 |
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kid51 |
dare I say: bring back purl? |
| 21:21 |
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sorear |
+1 |
| 21:21 |
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plobsing |
+1 # <3 purl |
| 21:21 |
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mikehh |
we kicked purl and aloha was supposed to be the replacement |
| 21:21 |
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whiteknight |
it appears to be easy enough to run our own copy of Aloha. We just need to set it up on feather or somewhere else |
| 21:21 |
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chromatic |
My preference is migrating aloha. |
| 21:21 |
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whiteknight |
+1 |
| 21:21 |
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cotto_work |
+1 |
| 21:21 |
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Coke |
aloha++ |
| 21:22 |
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cotto_work |
feather is nice because anyone with access can fiddle as needed |
| 21:22 |
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whiteknight |
right, I like that |
| 21:22 |
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mikehh |
I think bacek has the code on github |
| 21:22 |
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whiteknight |
so let's try to get that set up this week |
| 21:22 |
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cotto_work |
any volunteers? |
| 21:24 |
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whiteknight |
I don't know if I have a feather account, but I can take a stab at it |
| 21:26 |
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chromatic |
cotto_work, do you have another question? |
| 21:26 |
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cotto_work |
I'd like to start a push to get packfiles PMCs working again and to increase the bus number on that code. Any volunteers to help with that? |
| 21:27 |
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cotto_work |
I blogged about plobsing's changes, so the barrier to entry shouldn't be too high. |
| 21:27 |
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chromatic |
I can take a look after this week. |
| 21:28 |
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cotto_work |
thanks. Any other volunteers are welcome too. It's an important bit of code on the way to Lorito. |
| 21:28 |
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cotto_work |
eoq |
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whiteknight |
I definitely want to get involved in that |
| 21:28 |
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* whiteknight |
has to leave now. Just volunteer me for everything else that gets asked about :) |
| 21:28 |
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chromatic |
Any other questions? |
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chromatic |
Let's call it a week then. Release next week! |
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cotto_work |
um.... go team!\ |
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