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kid51 |
kid51's report |
| 19:40 |
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kid51 |
* DONE |
| 19:40 |
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kid51 |
** Some work on configuration probes for auto::llvm. Brought the results of this work directly into master. |
| 19:40 |
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kid51 |
** Saw some refactoring opportunities in lib/Parrot/Git/Describe.pm, lib/Parrot/SHA1.pm and corresponding config/auto*.pm files and t/configure/*.t tests. Refactored. |
| 19:40 |
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kid51 |
** Cage-cleaning: Reviewed about 20 tickets, which led to about 4 TTs being closed. |
| 19:40 |
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kid51 |
*** (There was no significant change in number of outstanding Trac tickets this week.) |
| 19:40 |
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kid51 |
** Communicated with other Parrot directors and OSUOSL re spamming of Trac. |
| 19:40 |
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kid51 |
* WILL DO |
| 19:40 |
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kid51 |
** Start to poke people about preparations for Apr 30-May 1 Parrot Developer Summit, including: |
| 19:40 |
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kid51 |
*** Identification of Roadmap Goals needed. |
| 19:40 |
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kid51 |
*** Identification of teams to work on those Roadmap Goals. |
| 19:41 |
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kid51 |
*** Identification of areas where GSOC can feed into Roadmap Goals. |
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kid51 |
* Will only be paying half-attention to #parrotsketch today, due to $job needs. |
| 19:41 |
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kid51 |
* OPINIONS re GSOC PROJECTS/CANDIDATES |
| 19:42 |
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kid51 |
** Cet. par., if a project is concerned with building something *on top of* Parrot, that should be something like Python, that's already in our scope, rather than something like Java, which is not in our current scope. |
| 19:43 |
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kid51 |
** Cet. par., project slots should go to people who are not waiting for GSOC to start to contribute to Parrot but who are already contributing patches, documentation, tests, etc. (Merely talking on #parrot for months does not qualify here.) |
| 19:44 |
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kid51 |
** Cet. par., projects that take a documentation- and test-driven approach to ones that do not. |
| 19:44 |
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kid51 |
** Mis dos centavos |
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kid51 |
**EOR |
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NotFound |
-parrot |
| 19:57 |
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NotFound |
* Testing |
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NotFound |
-winxed |
| 19:57 |
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NotFound |
* instanceof allows more types of class specifiers. |
| 19:57 |
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NotFound |
* Fix for without initializer bug in stage 0. |
| 19:57 |
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NotFound |
* New target type --target=include to generate parrot include files. |
| 19:57 |
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NotFound |
* Minor fixes, refactors and cleanups. |
| 19:57 |
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NotFound |
What I will do: |
| 19:57 |
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NotFound |
No plan |
| 19:57 |
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NotFound |
EOR |
| 19:57 |
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mikehh |
What I did since my last report: |
| 19:57 |
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mikehh |
* building and testing parrot on amd64/i386, with gcc/g++ |
| 19:57 |
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mikehh |
* some fixes |
| 19:57 |
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mikehh |
* branch testing and fixes |
| 19:57 |
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mikehh |
* removing warnings |
| 19:57 |
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mikehh |
What I intend to do in the next week: |
| 19:57 |
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mikehh |
* testing and fixing |
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mikehh |
.eor |
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atrodo |
.did |
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atrodo |
* started a opsc_lasm branch to test outputting lasm from ops |
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atrodo |
.todo |
| 20:04 |
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atrodo |
* wrap up isparrotfastyet changes |
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atrodo |
* lorito/m0 |
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atrodo |
.blockers |
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atrodo |
* SEGFAULT |
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Util |
# Done: |
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Util |
* Worked on Parrot Coverity issue on #include recursion |
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Util |
# Plan: |
| 20:26 |
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Util |
* Finish Coverity issue |
| 20:26 |
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Util |
* Publish Rakudo Star .dmg |
| 20:26 |
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Util |
.end |
| 20:27 |
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dukeleto |
What I did: |
| 20:27 |
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dukeleto |
* Various GSoC stuff |
| 20:28 |
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dukeleto |
* Some M0 spec work |
| 20:28 |
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dukeleto |
What I will do: |
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dukeleto |
* GSoC |
| 20:28 |
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dukeleto |
Blocking on: |
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cotto_work |
*did: |
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cotto_work |
- M0 roadmap progress |
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cotto_work |
-- specified semantics for all ops |
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cotto_work |
-- called the spec "final", got several holes from atrodo++ |
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cotto_work |
*will do: |
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cotto_work |
- M0 research/implementation |
| 20:28 |
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cotto_work |
-- look at cyclone and steal the good bits |
| 20:28 |
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cotto_work |
-- fill in the gaps in the spec |
| 20:28 |
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cotto_work |
-- start on a prototype assembler |
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cotto_work |
*blockers: |
| 20:28 |
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cotto_work |
- none |
| 20:28 |
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cotto_work |
*eor |
| 20:28 |
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cotto_work |
Hmm. That didn't all go through. |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
*did: |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
- M0 roadmap progress |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
-- specified semantics for all ops |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
-- called the spec "final", got several holes from atrodo++ |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
-- got suggestions from lucian++ about imitating Cyclone's pointer safety |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
--- will dig in and see if it can be done without a heavy runtime cost |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
- profiling runcore progress |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
-- none |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
*will do: |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
- M0 research/implementation |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
-- look at cyclone and steal the good bits |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
-- fill in the gaps in the spec |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
-- start on a prototype assembler |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
*blockers: |
| 20:29 |
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cotto_work |
- none |
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cotto_work |
*eor |
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* dukeleto |
still hasn't gotten access to Coverity |
| 20:30 |
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Util |
I will poke Coverity. |
| 20:30 |
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cotto_work |
Howdy. |
| 20:30 |
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mikehh |
hi there |
| 20:30 |
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Util |
Hello |
| 20:30 |
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NotFound |
Hola |
| 20:30 |
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dukeleto |
Jolly good day, fine parrot hackers. |
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* lucian |
waves |
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dukeleto |
cgaertner: welcome |
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dukeleto |
cotto_work: are you running this show? |
| 20:31 |
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cotto_work |
dukeleto: I am. |
| 20:32 |
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cotto_work |
How'd we do this week? No specific goals were set, but general comments are welcome. |
| 20:33 |
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bubaflub |
hello |
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tadzik |
hello |
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bacek |
~~ |
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cgaertner |
hello |
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* bacek |
is barely here |
| 20:34 |
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cotto_work |
Trac spam was an issue. Is anyone looking into a better solution than requiring manual admin intervention? |
| 20:35 |
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soh_cah_toa |
has anyone seen this? http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SpamFilter |
| 20:35 |
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soh_cah_toa |
it's a spam filter for trac |
| 20:36 |
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cotto_work |
soh_cah_toa: we're running the .11 series |
| 20:36 |
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soh_cah_toa |
really? and it's still getting through? hmmm... |
| 20:36 |
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cotto_work |
Someone was looking into upgrading, iirc. |
| 20:36 |
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dukeleto |
i asked OSL to help us, created a ticket, never heard back |
| 20:36 |
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cotto_work |
soh_cah_toa: trac v .11.x, not that plugin |
| 20:37 |
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dukeleto |
if someone else can go into #osuosl on freenode and coordinate with them, that would be awesome |
| 20:37 |
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soh_cah_toa |
oh okay |
| 20:37 |
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cotto_work |
dukeleto: if that starts moving, let me know and I'll update the github plugin |
| 20:37 |
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* dukeleto |
simply doesn't have time to mess with trac |
| 20:38 |
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dukeleto |
cotto_work: nothing will happen unless a parrot person goes into their irc channel and asks for help and spends time working with them |
| 20:38 |
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dukeleto |
cotto_work: they are totally overloaded and understaffed |
| 20:38 |
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cotto_work: and I can't be that person |
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dukeleto |
cotto_work: we need a person that is our OSL liason |
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cotto_work |
dukeleto: ok. If someone wants to volunteer for that, I'll take care of the github plugin. |
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soh_cah_toa |
i'd volunteer but i'm still kinda new here |
| 20:40 |
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cotto_work |
soh_cah_toa: don't let that stop you. |
| 20:40 |
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soh_cah_toa |
okay, well what would need to be done? |
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mikehh |
soh_cah_toa: you have been volunteered |
| 20:41 |
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* kid51 |
arrives, able to pay only slight attention |
| 20:41 |
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soh_cah_toa |
yay :) |
| 20:42 |
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cotto_work |
soh_cah_toa: we have a handful of trac plugins. Looking into the upgrade path for those and the general upgrade process for trac would be a good start. |
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cotto_work |
also, soh_cah_toa++ |
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kid51 |
soh_cah_toa: dukeleto, I and you can coordinate interfacing with OSUOSL off channel |
| 20:43 |
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kid51 |
... so we don't need to discuss it much more here |
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soh_cah_toa |
kid51: sure |
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cotto_work |
Are there any other points for discussion? |
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* lucian_ |
hates his ISP |
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kid51 |
soh_cah_toa: /q aloha msg kid51 -- your email address and human name so that I can follow up with you later this evening |
| 20:45 |
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dukeleto |
kid51: i sent an email to parrot-dev about it |
| 20:45 |
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dukeleto |
GSoC is going to a lot of fun this year. |
| 20:45 |
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cotto_work |
GSoC is going to be nuts. |
| 20:45 |
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dukeleto |
We have some very awesome proposals already, and I am sure lots will be submitted at the last possible second (just as melange crashes, no doubt) |
| 20:45 |
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cotto_work |
(in a good way) |
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cgaertner |
I have some question re my gsoc proposal, if there's nothing else left to discuss... |
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mikehh |
what I have seen so far is good |
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dukeleto |
smolder is still not working very reliably |
| 20:47 |
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dukeleto |
it needs to be restarted every few hours in a cron job to prevent memory leaks |
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* dukeleto |
is slightly concerned that chromatic++ has vanished |
| 20:49 |
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dukeleto |
cotto_work: do we want to discuss gsoc proposals in here? |
| 20:49 |
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benabik |
Quick comment, re kid51's preference for students to contribute pre-GSoC: I know my school workload is pretty heavy this quarter, so people who might be able to do awesome things this summer might not be able to do much beforehand. </My $0.02> |
| 20:49 |
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cotto_work |
dukeleto: I don't see any reason not to, if there's nothing more pressing. |
| 20:50 |
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* lucian |
selfishly agrees with benabik |
| 20:51 |
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cgaertner |
right, so I'll go ahead, then |
| 20:51 |
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allison |
dukeleto: chromatic has had a lot of consulting work lately |
| 20:51 |
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cotto_work |
cgaertner: go for it. |
| 20:51 |
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cgaertner |
my problem is figuring out a timeline |
| 20:51 |
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dukeleto |
benabik: that will definitely be taken into account |
| 20:52 |
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cgaertner |
the project has two parts: getting GObject to talk to parrot and getting Parrot to talk to gobject |
| 20:52 |
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cgaertner |
however, the first part seems pretty trivial (just wrapping libparrot's C API) |
| 20:52 |
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cgaertner |
so the bulk of the time should be taken for the second part |
| 20:52 |
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lucian |
cgaertner, in vala, or something? |
| 20:53 |
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cgaertner |
however, I don't know enough about parrot guts to make an educated guess how long that will take... |
| 20:53 |
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cgaertner |
lucian: once you have GObject binding, vala follows trivially... |
| 20:54 |
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lucian |
cgaertner: i mean about embedding libparrot in gobject apps. vala's easier |
| 20:55 |
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tadzik |
Vala on Parrot wouldn't be that great if it doesn't enable the seamless C libs usage, as current Vala does |
| 20:55 |
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tadzik |
seamless Parrot libs in current Vala: that'd be Awesome, imho |
| 20:56 |
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lucian |
no, i meant consuming parrot from gobject. vala is an easier implementation language |
| 20:56 |
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lucian |
consuming gobject from parrot, that's gobject-introspection + NCI or libffi |
| 20:56 |
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tadzik |
yeah |
| 20:58 |
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cgaertner |
using a simple perl-script, I'm halfway to getting access to all PMC vtable functions through a GObject wrapper class |
| 20:58 |
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cgaertner |
once that's done, vapi files can probably auto-generated |
| 20:58 |
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lucian |
ah, nice |
| 20:58 |
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dukeleto |
cgaertner: very exciting to hear |
| 20:58 |
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lucian |
well, you could conceivably generate gir data eventually |
| 20:58 |
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lucian |
so that g-i works on the parrot proxies |
| 20:59 |
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cgaertner |
the problem is that it seems too simple for gsoc - I might finish it before coding even starts... |
| 20:59 |
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lucian |
and then parrot can consume gobjects (that are parrot objects themselves) |
| 20:59 |
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dukeleto |
cgaertner: i think writing proper tests and docs will take some time |
| 20:59 |
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cgaertner |
so I need something else as a fallback if a get g-i to work too soon... |
| 20:59 |
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lucian |
well, look at what pygobject-introspection folks are doing |
| 20:59 |
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dukeleto |
cgaertner: and once you start writing tests, little corner cases start popping out of the woodwork |
| 20:59 |
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lucian |
they've been working for a few years on that |
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bubaflub |
cgaertner: having a plan in your proposal if you finish early is good - perhaps some advanced examples, even examples from other HLLs on parrot |
| 21:00 |
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dukeleto |
cgaertner: writing a simple "introduction to using gobject from parrot" would make a great thing to work on if you finish early |
| 21:01 |
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benabik |
cgaertner: Reference and Introductory documentation is excellent, as are very thorough tests. |
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tadzik |
maybe rewrite some Vala internals to use Parrot instead of Glib? |
| 21:02 |
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cgaertner |
I should probably get in touch with the python guys to find out what problems they encountered |
| 21:02 |
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lucian |
cgaertner: i'd be very impressed with a Gtk app on parrot at the end of gsoc |
| 21:02 |
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lucian |
cgaertner: you can find them on gimpnet #python |
| 21:02 |
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cgaertner |
tadzik: that was actually one of my first ideas: get valac to output pir instead of C |
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lucian |
it can already output js, can't it? |
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cgaertner |
back |
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lucian |
i would also have some object system questions, not sure if appropriate for #ps |
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cotto_work |
lucian: probably best in #parrot |
| 21:07 |
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cgaertner |
I'll do some more thinking and will start to draft a formal proposal during the next few days so I can get some more feedback before the deadline |
| 21:09 |
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dukeleto |
cgaertner: sounds like a good plan |
| 21:09 |
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cotto_work |
Would anyone like to propose goals for the coming week? |
| 21:10 |
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tadzik |
I want to finish DaD once for all |
| 21:10 |
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tadzik |
preferably in weekendtime |
| 21:10 |
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dukeleto |
Reach out to prospective gsoc students |
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cotto_work |
tadzik: what will make you consider it "done"? |
| 21:11 |
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dukeleto |
tadzik: i see DaD as an ongoing thing |
| 21:11 |
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* cotto_work |
too |
| 21:11 |
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dukeleto |
tadzik: what feature of DaD are you trying to "complete" ? |
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tadzik |
well, what's on my tasklist :) |
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tadzik |
the wiki page, and matching by a string, not only by a regex |
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tadzik |
the most important thing is filling the patterns in api.yaml, but no one seems to be interested about that |
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cotto_work |
tadzik: file a ticket |
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tadzik |
will do |
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tadzik |
added to todo |
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tadzik |
ETOOTIRED today |
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