Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #parrotsketch, 2011-04-05

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18:47 whiteknight WHAT I DID:
18:47 whiteknight * More fixes in the imcc_compreg_pmc branch. I would like to merge it by Friday *at the latest*. If we can't meet a friday deadline, it waits till after 3.3.
18:47 whiteknight * Sent out a notice to the parrot-dev list about the 3.3 release. Feature Freeze in master starting 12 April.
18:47 whiteknight * Working on Rosella. Adding tests and docs. Promoted the "Event" library to stable, and working out those details.
18:47 whiteknight * Working with GSoC students to perfect those proposals. We have 6 submitted, hopefully we will have more by the Friday deadline.
18:47 whiteknight WHAT I WILL DO:
18:47 whiteknight * Continue working on Rosella docs/testing
18:47 whiteknight * Continue with imcc_compreg_pmc. Aiming hard for that Friday cutoff.
18:47 whiteknight * Testing testing testing in prep for the release.
18:47 whiteknight EOR
18:49 tcurtis Did: Wrote draft proposal for GSoC and sent it to parrot-dev. Will: take whiteknight++'s advice and drop the lexer generator part. Research LALR parsing more. EOR.
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20:13 kid51 kid51's report
20:13 kid51 * DONE
20:13 kid51 ** Not much, due to exhaustion from $job
20:13 kid51 ** Took and closed http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2083 (--cxx option to Configure.pl)
20:14 kid51 * WILL DO
20:14 kid51 ** Will continue to urge people to focus on completion of Roadmap Goals we set for 3.3, and development of Roadmap Goals for 3.6.
20:14 kid51 Remember that we will have an online Parrot Developer Summit on April 30 or May 1.
20:14 kid51 ** Have begun reaching out to Rakudo folks re Roadmap Goals
20:14 kid51 ** We need a Python-on-Parrot pumpking/project manager.  (The fellow I was hoping to recruit can't do it due to time constraints.)
20:14 kid51 EOR
20:15 cotto_work *did:
20:15 cotto_work - M0 roadmap progress
20:15 cotto_work -- started on, then gave up on a prototype M0 assembler
20:15 cotto_work --- refining the ops and VM is more valuable at this point
20:15 cotto_work -- started implementing M0 in terms of dynops and a slightly specialized dynpmc
20:15 cotto_work --- using dukeleto++'s lorito branch, t/dynoplibs/m0proto.t
20:15 cotto_work *will do:
20:15 cotto_work - more M0 dynop prototyping, updating the spec as I go
20:15 cotto_work *blockers:
20:15 cotto_work - none
20:15 cotto_work *eor
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20:21 Util # Done
20:21 Util * Tested branch whiteknight/imcc_compreg_pmc, minor fixes.
20:21 Util # Plan to do:
20:21 Util * Perl 6 binaries.
20:21 Util # 7-day ticket summary:
20:21 Util 2 closed: fixed
20:21 Util 4 new
20:21 Util .end
20:30 cotto_work hello
20:30 kid51 Hello
20:30 mikehh hi there
20:30 soh_cah_toa hey
20:30 bubaflub hi
20:30 Util Hello
20:31 tcurtis hi.
20:32 cotto_work How did we do this week?
20:32 cotto_work GSoC is ramping up.
20:32 soh_cah_toa i've got a few docs i'm still working on. trying to get tests to pass
20:33 mikehh not much happened on master, quite a bit in various branches
20:33 cotto_work mikehh: that's a good thing.  We like branches.
20:34 cotto_work We have a supported release coming up in 2 weeks.  If anyone has deprecations to file, now's the time.
20:34 mikehh managed to get make splint to work, now just need to figure what it is telling me :-}
20:35 cotto_work mikehh: great.  We can always use more splinters. ;)
20:35 mikehh also installed Ubuntu 11.04 i386 beta/Kubuntu 10.04 amd64 beta
20:36 mikehh still having a few problems there, but managed to do test runs in both
20:37 cotto_work Does anyone have any questions to bring up?
20:38 kid51 q1q
20:38 cotto_work kid51: go ahead
20:38 kid51 So, not to anyone's surprise, my questions are about Roadmap Goals.
20:38 kid51 We had 3 for 3.3.
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20:39 NotFound Late hello.
20:39 kid51 Can we get a writeup (if not already done) for whiteknight's IMCC work and cotto's M0 Lorito work?
20:39 kid51 Also, cotto, will any of your work be reflected in master as of 3.3?
20:39 cotto_work kid51: no
20:40 cotto_work The spec is 90% done, but I still have the other 90% to do.
20:40 kid51 okay, then if whiteknight can describe extent to which his Roadmap Goal will be reflected in master for 3.3, that would be great.
20:40 kid51 We need to think about which parts of those RGs need to be carried over.
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20:41 kid51 And, just as it's not too soon to think of GSOC ...
20:41 kid51 ... it's also not too soon to think of Teams working on Roadmap Goals between April and July.
20:41 kid51 EOQ
20:42 soh_cah_toa what are the roadmap goals? i wasn't here for that. is there a link?
20:42 cotto_work soh_cah_toa: http://groups.google.com/group/parrot-dev/bro​wse_thread/thread/2c578e901b2c911d/e73f0a7100​4b2875?show_docid=e73f0a71004b2875&pli=1
20:43 soh_cah_toa great
20:44 cotto_work I'll plan on sending an update on my M0 spec/implementation progress tonight or tomorrow.
20:45 cotto_work to parrot-dev, that is
20:45 mikehh application deadline for GSoC is this Friday, is it not?
20:45 soh_cah_toa yeah
20:46 mikehh 7how many proposals have we had so far?
20:46 cotto_work 8 are in melange
20:47 cotto_work at least a couple more are expected
20:48 cotto_work any further questions?
20:48 * benabik *just* updated his proposal.  ( https://gist.github.com/899867 )
20:49 cotto_work benabik: excellent.  I'm excited about that one.
20:49 bacek ~~
20:51 cotto_work Would anyone like to propose goals for the week?
20:52 lucian give feedback to all GSoC proposals
20:52 lucian to make sure students and possible mentors are largely in agreement
20:52 cotto_work I suspect that that won't be a problem.
20:52 cotto_work still a good goal
20:52 kid51 q1q
20:53 cotto_work kid51: go ahed
20:53 cotto_work *ahead
20:53 kid51 At the risk of raising a sensitive subject ...
20:53 kid51 ... how do *we* decide which GSOC projects should go forward?  What part of decision is ours and which is GSOC's?
20:54 cotto_work During the judging period, we rank proposals.  Google decides how many slots each org gets.  The top N proposals are accepted.
20:55 kid51 And who are our judges/rankers and what are their/our criteria?
20:55 cotto_work mentors
20:56 cotto_work That's the part of the process that any mentor can take part in.  All mentors won't necessarily mentor a project.
20:56 lucian afaik, GSoC only determines # of slots
20:56 lucian i mean google
20:57 cotto_work kid51: what's your concern?  Only people with a PaFo org mentor bit can vote on PaFo org proposals.
20:58 cotto_work I suspect that criteria vary from person to person.  I look for viability, benefit to Parrot, likelihood of the student sticking around and wishful thinking, mostly in that order.
20:58 kid51 Okay, that's more or less what I wanted to know.
20:58 cotto_work The wishful thinking bit is hard to avoid.
20:59 kid51 We don't have any uniform criteria that all mentors are applying.  We're applying the mean of the various mentors' criteria.
20:59 cotto_work yes
20:59 kid51 I just want the applicants to know that, e.g., kid51's criteria may well differ from cotto's.
21:00 cotto_work Sure.  kid51 != cotto
21:00 mikehh and even mine :-}
21:00 lucian kid51: i don't think they need to know any criteria
21:00 lucian or who does anything
21:00 kid51 k.
21:00 kid51 EOQ
21:00 lucian i only care whether i get accepted or not
21:01 NotFound This channel log is public, so now they knows ;)
21:01 lucian sure, and i'm one of "them"
21:01 lucian what i'm saying is there's no need to justify anything. it's not even a good idea to do so
21:02 mikehh to google or ourselves?
21:02 NotFound Not a justifcation at all. Just transparency.
21:03 NotFound We never hide anything (if someone does, he does so well that I'm not aware).
21:03 cotto_work It's good to get that straightened out.  Are there any more questions?
21:03 lucian mikehh: to anyone, pretty much
21:06 bacek should we start "starring" proposals on melange?
21:06 cotto_work bacek: it's not too early
21:07 cotto_work I've only been holding off because I want to knock most of them out in one sitting.
21:08 bacek 2 days to go
21:08 soh_cah_toa a very long 2 days
21:08 cotto_work bacek: that's only the deadline for student submissions.  Rating continues through the 17th.
21:09 bacek cotto_work, ah. ok. I did my starring anyway :)
21:09 cotto_work or 23rd
21:09 soh_cah_toa how do we find out if it's accepted?
21:10 lucian soh_cah_toa: waiting is
21:10 * benabik wants to be a star.
21:10 soh_cah_toa email? irc?
21:10 cotto_work soh_cah_toa: that will be announced on the 25th
21:10 lucian soh_cah_toa: you get an email from GSoC/google
21:10 cotto_work soh_cah_toa: you'll know
21:10 soh_cah_toa okay
21:13 cotto_work Let's call it a wrap.  Our goal for the week is to review GSoC submissions.
21:13 soh_cah_toa sounds good
21:14 cotto_work thanks, all
21:14 Topic for #parrotsketch is now Priority for this week: Review GSoC submissions | Post closed tickets in your report. | Note: This channel is for our Tuesday status meetings (at 20:30 UTC); you probably want #parrot instead. | irclog: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/
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