Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #parrotsketch, 2013-04-30

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19:28 Util [Pre-report]
19:28 Util # Done:
19:28 Util * Added trailing semicolons where needed. (because it was bugging me)
19:28 Util # Doing:
19:28 Util * Multiple fixes to the Release Manager's Guide
19:28 Util * Fixing the .is-prime problem in Rakudo & NQP.
19:28 Util = https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=117731
19:28 Util * Volunteering for the next 3 months of Release Manager duty.
19:28 Util = To be pre-empted by anyone else willing to take a turn in this simple-yet-time-consuming job.
19:28 Util # Happenings:
19:29 Util * I am the backup GSoC administrator, and will be serving as primary while dukeleto is AFK (through May 6th)
19:29 Util * The member vote on the transfer of Parrot Foundation to The Perl Foundation closes today, so we will have a decision soon.
19:29 Util * Please edit the wiki page if you think you will attend the Hackathon at YAPC::NA::2013
19:29 Util = http://www.yapcna.org/yn2013/wiki?node=Hackathons
19:29 Util * We recently restarted these meetings, and attendance rapidly fell off. I recommend that we try again, both to have a place for GSoC status meetings, and to firm-up some discussions that will be best be finished at face-to-face at YAPC&Hackathon.
19:29 Util = I did not say that nearly early enough in the week.
19:29 Util = If you are reading this anytime the rest of this week, please tell us, as a post-report in this channel:
19:29 Util + What you have done on Parrot in the last month, *even* if it was *nothing*, so we get a sense of who is listening.
19:29 Util + Whether you would attend the revived weekly meeting, if other contributors started attending again.
19:29 Util .end
19:31 Util Hello
19:33 PerlJam Util: I've done nothing.  :)  The only reason I'm paying attention to you is that I'm still on this channel and your text reminded me that it's still "alive"   :-)
19:33 Coke the vote you're talking about is already obsoleted, aye?
19:34 Util Coke: Yes, I suppose it was subsumed into email discussion by Allison, but this will be confirmation.
19:35 Util PerlJam: Thanks for that update :)
19:35 sa1 Hello, you people can read my proposal and comment on it. https://gist.github.com/sa1/5468408
19:36 sa1 I don't have much left to do till dukeleto comes back.
19:36 PerlJam sa1: reading
19:37 allison Coke: I left the original vote running out of curiousity
19:37 PerlJam allison: how is it leaning?
19:37 Coke sa1++
19:37 allison Coke: I suspect the original vote passed, in which case a revote is largely irrelevant, but good for the sake of form
19:38 allison PerlJam: I haven't looked, I don't think it lets me see results until I close the poll
19:38 PerlJam oh
19:38 Util sa1: While dukeleto will certainly be needed for your project, the rest of us can read your gist and possibly give early feedback.
19:38 Util sa1++
19:39 sa1 right, feedback is welcome :)
19:39 PerlJam sa1: btw, surely you've already started the "familiarization period"?   :)
19:40 sa1 PerlJam: It's ongoing, but yeah, Google marks that as the familiarization period. :)
19:42 PerlJam sa1: were it me, I would move the build system stuff earlier in the project to make it easier for others to participate.
19:42 PerlJam sa1: part of the gsoc (to me) is about community building too  (i.e., you don't have to do all of the work yourself if you can make it such that it's easier for others to do some of the work)
19:43 sa1 Hmm, I kept it there because I would already have some experience adding stuff to the setup.winxed file by then and also because it will be a break from other work. But I can move it forward.
19:44 PerlJam sa1: use your own best judgement, I'm just one guy  :)
19:44 PerlJam sa1: Also, for Aug 12 you say "several Parrot languages".  I'd be more specific about which ones.
19:44 sa1 I actually have very little to go on as to how to best schedule the project.
19:45 sa1 Right, I was aiming at winxed, NQP and eventually Perl6 for now.
19:46 PerlJam sa1: I dunno how doable it is, but your schedule looks reasonable in form and content to me.
19:48 sa1 PerlJam: thanks :) It will get moved around both before coding starts and after it.
19:49 Util Regarding the renewed meetings:
19:50 Util Some of our contributors have lost interest. Others have just lost momentum, and several have just hit busy parts of their lives.
19:50 Util For those last 2 groups, I hope that we can help renew momentum, and provide an environment robust enough to bring back the busy, when their lives get more calm.
19:50 Util For example, there were several efforts to trim fat from Parrot in the last few months. If those branches could be spoken-to by their authors (inactive or otherwise), those of us currently active might move them forward, or test them, or benchmark them against "full-fat" Parrot, or even "land" the branches.
19:52 Util We have gradually slid from goals and milestones into everyone "doing your own thing".
19:52 Util DYOT *can* be viable, it only works long-term when everyone is public and vocal about their plans and activities, so that feedback moves some people away from less fruitful efforts, and onto helping with more fruitful (or more tuit-needy) endeavors.
19:53 Util A return to real project management would be helpful, but that requires volunteer effort that (I think) is not currently available.
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20:00 Util This has been the most verbose 30 minutes of #ps in quite a while.
20:00 Util (Logs are down right now, so I can't do better than "a while")
20:00 Util Meeting adjourned.
20:00 Util Please see my earlier request for post-reports during the coming week. Thanks to all!

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