Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #pdl, 2013-12-14

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13:52 webart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4UJjzuYjfM#t=95  <-- ggplot guy Hadley Wickham on the future of statistical software ... interesting breakdown of what it does: 1)munge 2)tidy 3)visualise 4)model ....
14:04 webart pdl/perl seems to a natural for 1) and 2) ...  and TIMTOWDI ipso facto -> it helps ease the shift from the cognitive to the computational part of an analysis ... and you can go low level and push the accelerator using C.  What's not to love? :-)
14:28 dcmertens joined #pdl
14:29 dcmertens o/
14:32 dcmertens webart, we're working on the third one (visualize)
14:42 webart yeah for 3) ... seems like with lots of tools (R python julia etc) there's a convergence on html5/svg/javascript/opengl (along with traditional postscript pdf png output). perl good there too :)
15:06 webart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4UJjzuYjfM#t=1852  <--- pretty neat ... stats and number crunching software (and techniques) are in a sort of ecosystem or feedback loop where scientific problems generate math/stats techniques and tools (and vice versa) and selection pressure  means only the "best adapted" tools and techniques thrive and evolve.   perl->evolve()
15:07 dcmertens unconference
15:07 dcmertens heh
15:08 dcmertens alas, I don't have 80 minutes to watch it.
15:08 webart perl5 on the edge of the primordial sea ... perl6 crawling onto the land ...
15:08 webart heh there are a bunch  of short 10 minute presentations
15:09 dcmertens oh
15:09 webart all mushed together
15:09 webart for me my kid was tired and slept in and the newpaper didn't get delivered so
15:09 webart Saturday morning stats :)
15:09 dcmertens heh
15:10 dcmertens :-)
15:10 dcmertens Well, my interests are elsewhere this morning
15:10 webart but now I think I may have to scramble some eggs  ... ;-)
15:10 dcmertens Read the latest on PerlMonks, and now turning to some Prima work
15:11 dcmertens I don't normally get to hack on code on Saturday mornings, so this is fun. :-)
15:11 webart cool!  Prima+++
15:11 dcmertens After I'm done, subfigures will Just Work
15:11 webart I'll leaver you to it .. cheers
15:11 dcmertens o/
15:11 dcmertens have fun cooking breakfast!
15:12 webart I'm gonna  chjeck Prima repos this evening :)
15:13 webart and see if they have evolved :P
15:13 dcmertens ha!
15:13 dcmertens maybe on my machine...
15:15 sivoais oooh! subfigures!
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16:43 vicash https://bitbucket.org/FeministSo​ftwareFoundation/c-plus-equality C+= is a funny read
16:44 sivoais I was just reading that via /.
16:50 vicash same here
16:50 vicash i saw it yesterday on hacker news but ignored it since i though it was yet another C-Javascript bashing
17:11 vicash what is chilling is that github can shutdown your repo on their own whim. I just setup a mirror of all my repos on my home server to be safe.
17:14 Mithaldu vicash: of course they can, what if you decide to just upload neatly chunked movies to github?
17:14 Mithaldu more importantly, it was the right decision in this case, because it was a troll that wasn't offensive in itself, but offensively unfunny
18:04 dcmertens I... what?
18:04 dcmertens why on earth would Github get rid of this?
18:29 Mithaldu dcmertens: because the entire repository was full of rad-fem parodies and there was nothing of value in there
18:30 Mithaldu i'm only using the word parody because i don't know a better word to describe something fake and vile
18:30 dcmertens Ah, got it
18:30 dcmertens sorry, I was a bit thick there
18:30 dcmertens It was hard to figure out if I should take it seriously, and the obvious answer is, "no"
18:30 Mithaldu exactly :)
18:31 dcmertens because the authors, presumably, are *not* feminists
18:31 dcmertens which makes it particularly offensive
18:31 * dcmertens hasn't actually verified that
18:32 Mithaldu that is correct
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20:04 vicash it was supposedly a satirical joke which some folks took seriously
20:06 vicash Mithaldu: it is not the neatly chunked movies that matters. what if tomorrow you come up with some crypto software that is suddenly deemed illegal  and your repo is removed or some reverse engineering software or similar stuff.
20:07 vicash the problem is that you as a user have no choice (which is what you get when you upload your code to someone else's server) but it makes it difficult if you have many users and such
20:07 Mithaldu well that's why you always have some kind of website that only points at github
20:07 Mithaldu also see: cpan
20:08 Mithaldu git isn't decentralized for nothing ;)
20:09 vicash agreed.
20:09 Mithaldu then again, i am cynical and untrusting
20:09 Mithaldu so i can see how some would be surprised
20:09 vicash that's how one should be.. i wasn't suprised per se because i have seen repos been removed from github.com earlier and also from gitorious.org
20:09 Mithaldu mhm
20:10 vicash but this was just a stupid joke
20:10 vicash not something deemed illegal which is what the other repos were as per laws in the country
20:10 Mithaldu it wasn't a joke
20:11 vicash well that's what the title was on Slashdot .. i am just using that.. i read only half of it..
20:11 Mithaldu it was full-on malicious intent
20:11 vicash against whom ?
20:11 Mithaldu the feminist movement at large
20:11 vicash they made fun of the FSF for sure.. that i could see
20:12 Mithaldu another piece in the puzzle that makes it harder to say "i am one"
20:13 vicash ok. well i guess it is fine in this case that they removed it, but it sets precedent. Tomorrow if you decide to challenge NVIDIA's implementation of OpenGL with your own what's to say they won't remove yours.
20:13 Mithaldu nothing
20:14 Mithaldu it's a private service
20:14 vicash yes they have the right. agreed
20:14 Mithaldu it's their decision what they host and what they don't, so you can only:
20:14 Mithaldu 1. look at their past behavior
20:14 Mithaldu 2. make a guess as to whether they would hurt you
20:14 Mithaldu 3. act accordingly
20:15 vicash that's true. that is why i mirrored all my github repos at home as i had not done that earlier. i had done it with bitbucket though for some odd reason
20:17 * Mithaldu has dropbox, local machine and github
20:17 Mithaldu plenty coverage
20:18 vicash cool
20:18 Mithaldu oh
20:18 Mithaldu and backblaze
20:18 vicash what is backblaze ?
20:21 Mithaldu it's a company that will back up however much data you like from your machine, for 5$ a month
20:21 Mithaldu requires mac or windows though
20:21 Mithaldu and has the hook that it will delete things from its backup that you delete from your machine too
20:21 Mithaldu though only after some time
20:21 vicash so it uses rsync
20:21 Mithaldu it also encrypts the stuff
20:22 Mithaldu and you can either download what you need through a web interface
20:22 Mithaldu or order a flash drive with your stuff
20:23 vicash client or server side encryption ? who owns the keys ?
20:27 Mithaldu http://www.backblaze.com/backup-encryption.html
20:45 webart http://www.tarsnap.com/index.html
20:45 webart unix only :)
20:45 webart (unix in this case includes OSX)
20:46 webart and cygwin ! :-D
20:54 Mithaldu webart: yeah, but where do you store the stuff?
20:56 webart I think it runs on a bunch of amazon ec2 thingies
20:59 Mithaldu webart: just saw the prices
20:59 Mithaldu tarsnap would cost me like 50$ a month
20:59 Mithaldu instead of 5
21:00 Mithaldu (plus the same for uploading)

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