Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #pdl, 2015-03-02

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13:34 opkick [pdl] zmughal created config-devel-checklib (+1 new commit): http://git.io/xRbN
13:34 opkick pdl/config-devel-checklib 52c7336 Zakariyya Mughal: remove Devel::CheckLib from inc/...
13:35 opkick [pdl] zmughal opened pull request #22: remove Devel::CheckLib from inc/ (master...config-devel-checklib) http://git.io/xRNn
13:43 opkick [pdl] zmughal comment on issue #21: Regarding the failed build, this is only failing because #18 hasn't been merged yet. http://git.io/xRxM
14:26 opkick [pdl] zmughal comment on issue #22: Regarding the failed build, this is only failing because #18 hasn't been merged yet. http://git.io/x03d
14:29 sivoais vsearch needs better docs. I'm looking into that today <https://sourceforge.net/p/pdl/bugs/359/>
14:54 opkick [pdl] coveralls comment on issue #22:
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19:58 sivoais I'm compiling some tools from other labs and it makes me feel that devops for science would fill a much needed niche
20:00 mohawk that sounds like PDL/Puppet?
20:00 sivoais yeah and Alien :-)
20:01 sivoais I haven't used all of these configuration management tools, but from looking over all of them, my favourite is CFEngine ;-)
20:01 sivoais "looking over" means just seeing the design and feature lists :-P
20:04 mohawk it's time to start merging the great stuff we've done
20:04 mohawk they've had their cooling-off
20:04 mohawk HOWEVER
20:04 mohawk i'll catch up on sivoais's emails and whatnot first
20:05 mohawk there will be a new dmake coming out in a shortish time period
20:05 mohawk which is exciting
20:32 mohawk i'm struggling to see the remaining relevance of the SF "bugs" list
20:32 mohawk we fix the bugs, they're not closed
20:33 Mithaldu poke the ones that should be closed and/or ask for a bug janitor bit
20:34 mohawk he already did poke
20:34 Mithaldu link?
20:34 mohawk see the pdl-devel archive today
20:35 Mithaldu also, i hope you'll be releasing an Alien::dmake
20:35 sivoais it's actually not in the pdl-devel archive. You have to subscribe to the bug component of SF. It's really confusing.
20:35 Mithaldu i thought you poked a bug in the bug tracker?
20:35 Mithaldu why are you telling me to go to a mailing list?
20:35 mohawk he did that too
20:36 mohawk look at the bugs/ website, it shows "updated"
20:36 mohawk sivoais, aha - my bad
20:36 Mithaldu https://sourceforge.net/p/pdl/bugs/374/
20:36 Mithaldu this one?
20:36 Mithaldu that may be patched, but not released
20:36 sivoais yeah. I already posted to the mailing list. I wanted to see if posting to the bugs would get some traction
20:36 sivoais yeah, I need feedback
20:37 Mithaldu the _11 fail is more interesting
20:37 Mithaldu but now i'm grumbly i had to go look
20:37 Mithaldu and guess what the fuck you're talking about
20:37 mohawk so subscribe to the bug museum, as i've just decided to call it
20:38 Mithaldu again, no link
20:38 Mithaldu it's like you're trying to piss me off
20:38 Mithaldu i assume you mean this? https://sourceforge.net/p/pdl/mailman/pdl-devel/
20:38 sivoais [[Perl Data Language / Bugs / #350 Modules using PDL::Slatec will get installed even if Slatec is disabled|https://sourceforge.net/p/pdl/bugs/350/]]
20:38 sivoais [[Perl Data Language / Bugs / #374 CONFIGURE_REQUIRES => Devel::CheckLib|https://sourceforge.net/p/pdl/bugs/374/]]
20:38 sivoais [[Perl Data Language / Bugs / #346 ExtUtils::F77 dependency causing problems for CPAN install|https://sourceforge.net/p/pdl/bugs/346/]]
20:38 Mithaldu it contains no mention of bug 372
20:39 sivoais sorry, I need to turn those to better URIs...
20:39 Mithaldu sivoais: 374 is not fixed, since it's not released
20:39 * sivoais goes to fumble with urititle script
20:39 mohawk sivoais, please don't open any more SF bug tickets
20:39 mohawk use gh issues
20:39 mohawk in fact, better than museum
20:39 mohawk mausoleum
20:40 sivoais Mithaldu: I didn't say it was fixed. I just said I had a patch :-)
20:40 Mithaldu mohawk: you're helping yourself in an anti-fashion by being intentionally offensive
20:40 Mithaldu sivoais
20:40 sivoais O_o
20:40 Mithaldu right, i came away with the impression that fixed bugs were left open en masse, from earlier comments
20:40 Mithaldu (entered too early, sorry)
20:41 Mithaldu mohawk: can't you close bugs with your developer bit on pdl?
20:42 sivoais yeah, I only commented on ones that were marked as open and should be going to pending-fixed or fixed
20:42 sivoais since the stuff has been merged
20:42 Mithaldu ok :)
20:42 mohawk Mithaldu, that's a good question
20:43 Mithaldu then i think you need to bother mohawk to try and flex his dev bit
20:43 mohawk i think we're only devs, not admins, so we can't
20:43 mohawk sivoais has one too
20:43 Mithaldu didn't see him in the list
20:43 mohawk Mithaldu, should i cry and stamp my feet and demand people give me urls instead? :-)
20:44 Mithaldu mohawk: yeah, you know what, see you later, i don't need you to be dumb at me too
21:10 opkick [pdl] zmughal comment on issue #2: Is this PR still valid? http://git.io/xgeN
21:10 sivoais it'd be nice if the notifications gave more info than the issue number
21:20 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 comment on issue #2: Not as it stands - look at all those "merge" instead of rebasing! http://git.io/xgkl
21:23 mohawk i'm going to make a new PR out of #2
21:32 mohawk my god, the mess people can make when they don't know anything about git
21:44 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #23: SF#147 closing TriD window kills perldl shell http://git.io/xgcn
21:45 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #24: SF#210 default PDL build output too long http://git.io/xgcB
21:45 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #25: SF#238 NiceSlice affects code where it should not http://git.io/xgcK
21:45 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #26: SF#254 online docs don't link to functions in other PDL modules http://git.io/xgc9
21:46 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #27: SF#268 PLplot still unusable with X http://git.io/xgch
21:46 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #28: SF#274 'help funname' fails to show multiple function names http://git.io/xgCJ
21:46 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #29: SF#308 propagate badflag with .= http://git.io/xgCZ
21:46 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #30: SF#322 PDL::Demos system needs overhaul http://git.io/xgC8
21:47 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #31: SF#324 PDL re-install wipes out non-core docs http://git.io/xgCu
21:47 mohawk oh god, t/ops.t doesn't even use Test.pm
21:47 mohawk it manually prints out "1..44"
21:47 * mohawk weeps
21:47 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #32: SF#330 NiceSlice can get confused by comments to cause compilation errors http://git.io/xgCi
21:47 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #33: SF#332 "isn't numeric in null operation" warning could be more helpful http://git.io/xgC5
21:47 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #34: SF#334 Test coverage is incomplete http://git.io/xgWe
21:48 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #35: SF#339 PDL::Complex support is inconsistent and incomplete http://git.io/xgWk
21:48 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #36: SF#340 orover of byte data returns long type http://git.io/xgW3
21:48 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #37: SF#343 longlong constructor and display lose digits due to implicit double precision conversions http://git.io/xgWC
21:48 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #38: SF#346 ExtUtils::F77 dependency causing problems for CPAN install http://git.io/xgWu
21:48 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #39: SF#347 t/pdl_from_string.t has a failure if BADVAL_NAN=1 http://git.io/xgWr
21:49 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #40: SF#350 Modules using PDL::Slatec will get installed even if Slatec is disabled http://git.io/xgWi
21:49 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #41: SF#353 imag2d not 'use warnings' safe and no way to disable twiddle http://git.io/xgWy
21:49 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #42: SF#354 filter demo list by actually available http://git.io/xgWb
21:49 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #43: SF#359 Improved documentation for vsearch http://git.io/xglJ
21:49 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #44: SF#363 PP "OtherPars" namespace is not clean http://git.io/xglL
21:50 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #45: SF#364 type promotion in whistogram is based upon the index, not the weight http://git.io/xglO
21:50 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #46: SF#366 many warnings in t/transform.t with use strict; use warnings; http://git.io/xgln
21:50 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #47: SF#367 BAD value parsing breakage http://git.io/xgl0
21:50 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #48: SF#368 PDL::Slatec::polyfit ignores incorrect length of weight piddle; passes garbage to slatec polfit http://git.io/xglr
21:50 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #49: SF#372 2.007_11 fails on MS Windows 64bit http://git.io/xglM
21:51 opkick [pdl] perldl-bot opened issue #50: SF#374 CONFIGURE_REQUIRES => Devel::CheckLib http://git.io/xgl9
21:53 opkick [pdl] zmughal comment on issue #50: See PR #22  http://git.io/xg8b
21:55 mohawk sivoais++
21:56 opkick [pdl] zmughal comment on issue #26: See <http://comments.gmane.org/gmane​.comp.lang.perl.pdl.devel/6292> http://git.io/xgBQ
22:04 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 created hainest-assgn_badflag (+1 new commit): http://git.io/xgun
22:04 opkick pdl/hainest-assgn_badflag 2193f11 Tim Haines: Add propagation of badflag with .= (Ops::assgn) for sf.net bug 3543056.
22:05 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 opened pull request #51: Add propagation of badflag with .= (Ops::assgn) for sf.net bug 3543056. (master...hainest-assgn_badflag) http://git.io/xgux
22:09 sivoais look at <https://github.com/PDLPorters/pdl/issues> now
22:10 mohawk ok
22:10 sivoais now we need to triage them
22:11 sivoais difficulty:{easy,medium,hard} ?
22:11 mohawk is there any more migration we need to do?
22:11 sivoais nope
22:11 mohawk no, just milestones
22:12 mohawk so we need to make all the SF pri 6+, milestones for 2.008
22:12 sivoais ok
22:12 mohawk then we can use the feature to track how close we are
22:12 sivoais gimme a few
22:12 mohawk ok
22:12 mohawk suggest closing the ones that are merged
22:12 mohawk so SF363 for starters
22:13 sivoais mohawk: could you do that and point to where it was merged. Just follow the SF links. I think I linked them up
22:14 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 opened pull request #52: longlong-double-fix resurrection part 1 (master...lldfp1) http://git.io/xgaV
22:15 mohawk wilco
22:16 mohawk wait, what do you mean by "point to where it was merged"?
22:17 mohawk sivoais, ^
22:18 sivoais mohawk: I link to them in a comment
22:18 mohawk yes, i got taht
22:19 mohawk you want me to "point to where it was merged"
22:19 sivoais so just link to the MR
22:19 mohawk what do you mean
22:19 mohawk how about i link to the commit instead
22:19 sivoais that works too
22:19 sivoais :-)
22:19 mohawk ok
22:20 mohawk i want to merge travis-ci-more so we can rebase the other 4 and get actual real travis results
22:20 mohawk rather than the false negative we see now
22:20 mohawk unless you say otherwise, i'll JFDI once i've updated the issues
22:20 sivoais how many days have gone by?
22:22 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 comment on issue #29: Is this addressed by #51? http://git.io/xgof
22:23 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 comment on issue #17: @zmughal could you ticklist this and bring up to date? http://git.io/xgou
22:27 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 comment on issue #39: Fixed in #18. http://git.io/xg60
22:29 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 closed issue #40: SF#350 Modules using PDL::Slatec will get installed even if Slatec is disabled http://git.io/xgWi
22:29 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 comment on issue #40: Fixed in 1ca5d227dda67fbbfb2734ef28906a59a0f07766. http://git.io/xgiu
22:29 mohawk 2 or so
22:30 mohawk and various individuals have commentated on our other PR, the hdf4 thing
22:30 mohawk silence = assent here
22:33 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 closed issue #41: SF#353 imag2d not 'use warnings' safe and no way to disable twiddle http://git.io/xgWy
22:34 mohawk ok, i'm done with the issue updating
22:34 mohawk any objections to me merging the travis-ci-more branch?
22:34 mohawk jberger, sivoais ^
22:40 opkick [pdl] zmughal comment on issue #51: I believe this needs to only run when `WITH_BADVAL=1`. I don't think the test does so yet. http://git.io/xgDy
22:41 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 comment on issue #51: We'll be able to tell more easily once #18 is merged and we rebase against it. http://git.io/xgS3
22:42 opkick [pdl] zmughal comment on issue #41: I see a `use strict`, but no `use warnings`. http://git.io/xgSP
22:44 sivoais mohawk: I'd like to of course. And the changes in there are not breaking code as evidenced by the Travis builds
22:44 mohawk time to JFDI
22:44 sivoais mohawk: can we at least get a test of everything on Windows?
22:44 mohawk everything?
22:45 sivoais nah, just a regular build
22:45 mohawk grin
22:45 mohawk ok - a build of what, though? the t-c-m branch?
22:45 sivoais 5.10 WITH_BADVAL=1 t-c-m branch
22:45 sivoais or higher Perl if that is a pain
22:45 mohawk 5.10 isn't happening, but 5.20
22:45 mohawk on it
22:46 opkick [pdl] zmughal comment on issue #17: I shall http://git.io/xgHn
22:48 mohawk sivoais++
22:51 sivoais mohawk: <https://github.com/PDLPorters/pdl/issues/41>
22:51 mohawk i saw your comment here
22:52 mohawk that would really be part of a general strict/warnings blitz
22:52 mohawk if chm says it fixes the warnings thing, that's good enough for me
22:52 mohawk what say you?
22:52 sivoais yeah, I made cat:cleanup label for that
22:53 mohawk good work
22:53 mohawk win32 build still gronking away
22:53 sivoais I actually went through all the issues and categorised them
22:53 sivoais so if, say, I wanted to work on the docs, I just need to click on that label
22:54 sivoais and I'll know the issues that are relevant
22:54 mohawk nice work, dawg
22:54 mohawk i'm afraid the sf-critical and sf-pri things are not so useful
22:55 mohawk since "critical, priority 1" seems like a mistake has been made; a point has been missed
22:55 sivoais I just wanted to keep the metadata around
22:55 mohawk uh, right
22:55 * mohawk looks awkwardly around
22:56 sivoais i prefixed them with sf...
22:57 sivoais I don't agree with the label critical unless it is breaking people's already working code
22:57 mohawk ha ha, fair enough
22:57 mohawk you don't need to import every little thing
22:57 sivoais nah, I'm done unless someone has a specific request :-P
22:58 sivoais plus, it wasn't hard ;-)
22:58 mohawk that's what she said
22:58 sivoais heh
23:01 sivoais will you look at that... <https://github.com/PDLPorters/pdl/milestones>
23:02 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 comment on issue #18: Builds and passes on Win 7, 5.20. http://git.io/xgbw
23:02 sivoais 10 open. 2 of which have patches
23:02 mohawk tcm passes on win32
23:02 mohawk merging
23:02 sivoais awesome
23:03 sivoais merge it and push to SF&GH!
23:03 mohawk hold your horses, sparky :-)
23:03 sivoais well, I actually have to go drive home now... in my *horseless* carriage
23:04 mohawk ha ha
23:04 mohawk travel safely, chat soon
23:04 mohawk merged, rebasing other branches
23:05 sivoais \o/
23:05 mohawk inorite
23:05 mohawk why isn't the gh bot saying anything?
23:05 sivoais about what?
23:05 mohawk about pushing to master
23:06 sivoais not sure actually
23:06 mohawk if there's a way to check, please check
23:06 mohawk ima rebase/forcepush
23:07 sivoais there is: <https://github.com/PDLPorters/pdl/issues/19> documents it
23:08 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 deleted travis-ci-more at aea6254: http://git.io/xgxe
23:08 sivoais events: [ qw(push pull_request commit_comment pull_request_review_comment issues issue_comment) ]
23:08 sivoais maybe I need a merge event?
23:09 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 force-pushed hainest-assgn_badflag from 2193f11 to e5b7a5d: http://git.io/xgxg
23:09 opkick pdl/hainest-assgn_badflag e5b7a5d Tim Haines: Add propagation of badflag with .= (Ops::assgn) for sf.net bug 3543056.
23:12 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 pushed 16 new commits to config-devel-checklib: http://git.io/xgpG
23:12 opkick pdl/config-devel-checklib 117544f Ed J: Add test that dumps installed version of required modules
23:12 opkick pdl/config-devel-checklib a4ae623 Ed J: Make prereq-dumper include module filesize and location
23:12 opkick pdl/config-devel-checklib 98c23ec Ed J: ExtUtils::ParseXS req 3.01, 2.21 known broken on generate_core_flags()
23:12 sivoais interesting, it worked that time
23:13 sivoais ok, leaving now :-P
23:15 mohawk laterz
23:18 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 force-pushed config-devel-checklib from 8cc6a55 to 3d5ebf0: http://git.io/xgjP
23:18 opkick pdl/config-devel-checklib 3d5ebf0 Zakariyya Mughal: remove Devel::CheckLib from inc/...
23:23 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 force-pushed lldfp1 from 2f02768 to fbbfbe8: http://git.io/x2va
23:23 opkick pdl/lldfp1 569a6aa Craig DeForest: remove references to progenitors and mutators.  Update core version number.
23:23 opkick pdl/lldfp1 1258c92 Craig DeForest: some typos ("propogate"->"propagate" throughout; some typos in CallExt documentation)
23:23 opkick pdl/lldfp1 2149610 Craig DeForest: more cleanup of pdl.h.PL. Also, cut out foomethod() nonsense since it is not...
23:32 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 force-pushed alienhdf4 from 03a3bc3 to 6cbdba7: http://git.io/x2TT
23:32 opkick pdl/alienhdf4 6cbdba7 Ed J: Use Alien::HDF4 in PDL::IO::HDF build
23:33 mohawk all branches rebased and force-pushed
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23:49 travis-ci PDLPorters/pdl#35 (master - aea6254 : Zakariyya Mughal): The build passed.
23:49 travis-ci Change view : https://github.com/PDLPorters/pdl/c​ompare/255adcf3cb83...aea62544f94c
23:49 travis-ci Build details : http://travis-ci.org/PDLPo​rters/pdl/builds/52820984
23:49 travis-ci left #pdl
23:51 opkick [pdl] mohawk2 closed issue #4: Problem with building on 32-bit without bad values support. http://git.io/x2Yi

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