Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl11, 2013-12-09

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12:46 Will_the_Chill bulk88: what about Dist::Zilla?
12:56 Will_the_Chill bulk88: also, free for 5 more days!  https://stratopan.com/
12:56 Will_the_Chill rurban: https://stratopan.com/
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16:37 bulk88 I've never used a module that used Dist::Zilla, it gets alot of jokes thrown at it in the perl community for a reason I dont know
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21:07 rurban http://97.74.205.113/ yeah!
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21:10 bulk88 why is that an IP and not a DNS name?
21:12 bulk88 the future is memorizing a 512 bit hex key in your brain and typing it in everywhere
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21:15 bulk88 russia for example never had a concept of not doing mass surveilance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM , they admit it publically
21:17 bulk88 i'm surprised US courts never extended http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_stop to include electronic communications over public property
21:19 bulk88 next issue is, US Customs can do, umm, lubed glove....., at all border crossings with no legal reason, so why are buried cables that cross the border exempt from Customs?
21:24 rurban the original link is http://www.reformgovernmentsurveillance.com/
21:24 rurban but they did some mistakes on their proxy
21:26 bulk88 the solution is full time end to end encryption on all links over "public property", but...
21:26 bulk88 how easy it to make a cert auth give out a MITM cert? ;-)
21:26 rurban sure, but ssh tunnels, not ipsec (vpn)
21:27 rurban france had a MITM cert issue recently
21:27 bulk88 ssh has key memory dbs, I think, so its MITM resistence from a cert auth
21:27 rurban and not only public property! also company internal private property apparently (google, facebook)
21:28 rurban they bugged level 3
21:29 bulk88 what is internal priuvate property? rootkit in the rack server?
21:29 bulk88 or leased links from DC to DC
21:29 rurban bug the fiber from private lines
21:29 rurban mostly ocean lines
21:30 bulk88 construction/PSC/utility line stuff is something I know about, I'll put it like this, when the cable cross your deed's property line, you have no privacy on it
21:30 rurban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_3_Communications
21:31 bulk88 I know of L3, VZW's backbone for their cellphones is L3
21:31 rurban They own AS1 and Global Crossing
21:32 bulk88 time warner cable before they bought adelphia used to be 100% L3
21:33 bulk88 adelphia  did the usual free peer+paid transit/I am my own backbone thing, and TWC routed their traffic onto adelphia's asn for some years
21:33 rurban bugged are the trans-atlantic and paficic lines. over appolo-scs http://www.apollo-scs.com/transatlantic-capacity-news/2008/02/17/level-3-communications-selects-apollo/0/1/
21:34 bulk88 line speed encryption cards/router transcivers are the solution
21:35 rurban I'm not concerned about domestic fiber, only on the global scale. with encrypting routers they simple bug those routers (already do, cisco)
21:35 rurban with a simple national security letter
21:36 rurban and cisco builds a backdoor for them
21:36 rurban anyway, way off topic
21:37 bulk88 I'll put it like this, on the tracert, ever country that winds up in there has the right to wiretap the link
21:38 rurban the right? not in europe
21:39 rurban some countries do observe the law
21:39 bulk88 lol
21:39 bulk88 the strange part of EU is, there is no 1 justice system or intelligence agency
21:40 rurban the justice system is harmonized, as in the us states
21:40 bulk88 they are supposed to follow EU law, which is bette ron paper than USA, but there are dozen actors to monitor, not 1
21:40 rurban yes. the agencies probably also
21:41 rurban but even the US has minimization principles since the church committee. and bugging transcontinental fibres clearly violates that
21:42 rurban and the only one complaining is the houston judge smith
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