Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl11, 2015-07-06

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00:04 bulk88 he is gone
00:04 bulk88 oh well
00:05 bulk88 ill leave this here, cpan shell modified by kmx (strawberry's author), maybe he forgot cpaminus
00:32 willthechill bulk88: thanks, we'll see what happens when he gets back
00:32 willthechill is this at all related to the other issue we are discussing in #inline?
00:33 willthechill https://github.com/daoswald/Inline-CPP/issues/30
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02:41 travis-ci RPerl build passed. Will Braswell says 'CPAN Distribution, Add Previous Releases To backup/'
02:41 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/wbraswell/rperl/builds/69671167 https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl/compare/654f3b4ca96b...2e1ff2aa3e87
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07:03 travis-ci RPerl build passed. Will Braswell says 'To-Do List, Misc Update, Part 1'
07:03 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/wbraswell/rperl/builds/69685209 https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl/compare/2e1ff2aa3e87...3e26f8d783ff
07:04 willthechill fab
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08:31 travis-ci RPerl build passed. Will Braswell says 'To-Do List, Misc Update, Part 1'
08:31 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/wbraswell/rperl/builds/69691788 https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl/compare/v1.0
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08:40 stephen good morning willthechill; I have read your message and replied back on Github.
08:40 willthechill stephen: yes I saw that just now, great job!  :)
08:41 stephen I'm currently waiting "cpan RPerl" to finish. I hope I won't get any error message. Thus far it builds properly.
08:41 willthechill I am getting pretty sleepy, trying to finish up a few last items for v1.000002
08:41 willthechill sounds great!
08:41 stephen i understand mate. try to relax a bit
08:41 stephen to stress yourself that much
08:41 stephen don't forget to remain human lol
08:42 willthechill haha yes true!
08:42 stephen *don't stress
08:42 stephen I need to do something with my typing -_- I think something else and my fingers type whatever they want. Jeez...
08:45 stephen by the way, can you please add a note somewhere on your diary to check the step 0 I have mentioned the other day? It's still there causing confusion :/
08:46 willthechill stephen: INSTALL notes step 0 typos are fixed
08:46 willthechill https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl/blob/master/INSTALL
08:46 willthechill if you find more please tell me, of course
08:48 stephen ah alright. so "cpan ExtUtils::MakeMaker" is indeed for cpan system-wide?
08:52 willthechill yes it must be system-wide
08:52 stephen nice
08:52 willthechill at least, that is my current understanding
08:52 stephen now it's much more clear than before.
08:53 willthechill if you have EU::MM installed locally then there may be weird behavior
08:53 willthechill such as finding an older EU::MM installed system-wide
08:53 stephen on which system?
08:53 willthechill on any system which has multiple versions of EU::MM installed
08:53 stephen ah I see
08:54 stephen by the way, on windows the procedure froze on CJM/Win32-IPC-1.11.tar.gz :/
08:54 stephen I checked my build log file, but nothing is shown
08:54 stephen nor it got edited at all
08:54 willthechill bulk88: more info from stephen here on Win32-IPC
08:55 willthechill stephen: oh yes a comment which bulk88 left for you...
08:55 willthechill "ill leave this here, cpan shell modified by kmx (strawberry's author), maybe he forgot cpaminus"
08:55 willthechill not sure if that helps, again I don't know anything about Windows, sorry!
08:55 stephen no worries mate.
08:55 stephen very much appreciated anyway :)
08:56 willthechill I'll try to facilitate as much work on different operating systems as possible
08:57 willthechill but I have only 1 true love: Ubuntu
08:57 willthechill ;)
08:57 willthechill Xubuntu to be specific
09:02 stephen I love my debian just as well ^_^
09:03 willthechill XD
09:16 stephen I was thinking last night of a good example to use for explaining RPerl in simple words
09:16 stephen and it hit me
09:17 stephen we could tell them the example of Phalcon PHP and they will understand it in my opinion
09:18 willthechill uh well RPerl was inspired by RPython
09:18 willthechill and I've never heard of Phalcon PHP
09:18 willthechill but okay!
09:18 willthechill (it was a wonderful fluke that I heard of RPython at all, since I don't bother with non-Perl languages)
09:19 stephen RPython will be a bit confusing I would say, because newbies tend to compare PHP with Perl, so...
09:19 stephen I find it much more logical to give them a direct competitor's example to pass a message
09:19 stephen but that's just me goofing around ^_^_ hehe
09:20 willthechill both Python and PHP are seen as direct competitors to Perl, as well as Ruby
09:22 stephen yeah, but people read a bit of PHP history and see that it all started as a series of Perl scripts, plus they are constantly asking themselves why oh why to use the dollar sign in front of their variables lol
09:38 willthechill haha could be!
09:41 stephen I know because I was one of them as a newbie back in the early '00 days lol
09:41 stephen blimey 15 years already :S
09:49 willthechill well if people have heard of Phalcon PHP then we can use that analogy
09:49 willthechill if they have heard of RPython we can use that analogy
09:49 willthechill if not then we should use neither
09:50 willthechill in other words, there is no reason to confuse people with information about other non-Perl languages
10:06 stephen then simple words like "Perl makes your job done; RPerl makes your job done, make it fun, and make you happy all at the same time."
10:07 willthechill hahaha okay well that's a very philosophical approach!
10:07 willthechill but yes it is a good positive attitude
10:07 willthechill :)
10:10 stephen oops; a typo! s/fun/fast/g
10:13 stephen hmmm, this is getting really weird. cpan fails as well with Inline::CPP
10:19 willthechill failing on what platform?
10:21 stephen windows xp
10:21 stephen I just added more info on ticket
10:24 willthechill oh okay
10:24 willthechill we still need bulk88 to help with that one
10:24 willthechill and also probably davido__
10:25 willthechill testing local copy of RPerl v1.000002 right now
10:25 willthechill along with full CPAN deps from scratch
10:25 willthechill will take a while
10:25 willthechill if it is all good, will upload to CPAN, possibly before I fall asleep
10:25 willthechill :)
10:29 willthechill okay going to eat and get ready for sleep now, be back in several hours, latest code is on github right now so no need to wait for me to release on CPAN, good luck!
10:31 stephen thank you
10:31 stephen rest well
10:33 willthechill thanks!  :)
10:58 travis-ci RPerl build passed. Will Braswell says 'CPAN Release, v1.000002; Add Changes File; Add & Update POD'
10:58 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/wbraswell/rperl/builds/69708454 https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl/compare/3e26f8d783ff...86acb3e24f84
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10:59 willthechill okay great the build passed on Travis!  :)
11:00 willthechill flexvault: hi and welcome to #perl11
11:01 flexvault willthechill, I'm installing now - will let you know. Great!
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11:24 flexvault It failed, so I re-ran with re-directing error to a file. I then added the last 50 lines to that file. How to proceed?
12:28 willthechill flexvault: I'm falling asleep now, but you can do a pastebin with your output and post the URL here
12:28 willthechill we will look at it ASAP
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12:34 flexvault I don't have access to a non-production visible url. Does your email at hush.com still work?
12:49 willthechill yes my e-mail still works
12:49 willthechill or pastebin.com
12:49 willthechill goodnight!
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15:07 tadegenban installing rperl
15:10 tadegenban did I must use types system to write code like this: my int $a = 1 ?
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21:55 willthechill tadegenban:  the proper syntax would be...      my integer $a = 1;
21:56 willthechill please see the following two RPerl source code files for some basic syntax examples:
21:56 willthechill https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl/blob/master/lib/RPerl/Algorithm/Sort/Bubble.pm
21:57 willthechill https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl/blob/master/lib/RPerl/Test/Foo.pm
21:57 willthechill please don't hesitate to let me know if I can be of any further assistance
21:57 willthechill :)
22:27 stephen welcome back willthechill
22:27 stephen I can't wait to read your book whenever that would be ready in the near future ^_^
22:29 willthechill yes sir I hope before the end of the year, we shall see!
22:29 willthechill there is MUCH WORK to be done on all fronts
22:30 willthechill but Learning RPerl is an important book to write, so I must do so ASAP
22:30 stephen exciting days, very exciting!
22:32 willthechill yes indeed!  :D
22:38 stephen is it going to be FOSS-ed based documentation?
22:40 willthechill I assume the answer is yes, but can you please clarify what you mean?
22:41 stephen I meant about the book's content
22:41 stephen is it going to be placed somewhere online to persuade / motivate people to participate to its development or maintenance?
22:42 willthechill well the first edition of the book will be canonical as written by me
22:42 willthechill after that I don't mind having other's take over
22:42 willthechill *others
22:42 stephen hmmm
22:43 willthechill I don't think you would want anyone other than the compiler's designer writing the initial documentation
22:43 willthechill that would be foolish
22:44 stephen true that
22:44 stephen but maybe others who have tested the internal parts along with you could help you?
22:44 willthechill well so far there is nobody anywhere near ready to contribute in that way
22:45 willthechill it would be hard for anyone to catch up fast enough to be able to contribute to the first edition
22:45 stephen ah alright. i thought bulk88 was helping you with that
22:45 willthechill bulk88 is the Windows expert
22:45 willthechill so if I am unclear on anything about Windows we will ask him
22:45 willthechill but nobody knows RPerl internal except for me
22:45 willthechill not even rurban
22:45 stephen for sure
22:46 willthechill (except rurban probably thinks he does, so don't tell him I said that, haha!)
22:47 willthechill if anyone is interested in helping update Learning RPerl after the first edition is released, in order to reflect updated versions of RPerl itself, then that would be great
22:48 stephen that's so inspiring
22:48 stephen thank you for your kindness
22:52 willthechill haha yes well it will be nice once everyone has a part to play in the RPerl adventure
22:53 willthechill flexvault: you around?

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