Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

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03:05 travis-ci RPerl build failed. Will Braswell says 'Numeric Stringification, Add Underscores Where Missing'
03:05 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/wbraswell/rperl/builds/171273153 https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl/compare/4a26255b72d8...b0814a41e19b
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05:49 travis-ci RPerl build failed. Will Braswell says 'Tests, Enable Execute Tests With STDERR Output & Success Return Code, Part 2'
05:49 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/wbraswell/rperl/builds/171291816 https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl/compare/1eba7a2e83e9...1bd565da8156
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07:13 travis-ci RPerl build passed. Will Braswell says 'Tests, Fix 2-D Array Formatting In Hard-Coded Tests'
07:13 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/wbraswell/rperl/builds/171302625 https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl/compare/1bd565da8156...6bbb2f98b6ee
08:09 willthechill YAY
09:56 travis-ci perl11/cperl#1815 (smoke/master - b8af39e : Reini Urban): The build was broken. https://travis-ci.org/perl11/cperl/builds/171334903
10:30 travis-ci perl11/cperl#1816 (smoke/maint-5.24c - e389aaf : Reini Urban): The build passed. https://travis-ci.org/perl11/cperl/builds/171341788
11:02 travis-ci perl11/cperl#1817 (smoke/maint-5.24c - a7d2d53 : Reini Urban): The build passed. https://travis-ci.org/perl11/cperl/builds/171348043
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13:49 travis-ci perl11/cperl#1818 (smoke/maint-5.24c - b05e781 : Reini Urban): The build passed. https://travis-ci.org/perl11/cperl/builds/171383171
14:40 travis-ci RPerl build passed. 93r says 'Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl'
14:40 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/93r/rperl/builds/171394596 https://github.com/93r/rperl/compare/8284f1fb95ab...90ef4ccc854f
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15:23 mako93r Really nice. The build passed.
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19:16 willthechill mako93r: howdy!
19:17 willthechill yes it took me all yesterday working to get the build to pass
19:17 willthechill :-P
19:17 willthechill but it is passing now!  yaya!
19:17 willthechill *yay
19:17 mako93r Your royal Chillness! You saw my PR?
19:18 willthechill yes I saw that it passed at least, haha!
19:18 willthechill I still need to re-review the actual contents of the pull request
19:18 willthechill which I will do in a few minutes  :-)
19:18 willthechill then (hopefully) I will merge the PR and we can finally move forward!
19:19 mako93r It's half ready, I know I've got a job to fulfill.
19:20 willthechill yes we both do, haha!  ;-)
19:21 willthechill while I was fixing the build yesterday, I was able to cross of one item on the official internal RPerl todo.txt list
19:21 willthechill ONE item... out of hundreds
19:21 willthechill haha!
19:22 mako93r It would just ease my work if you would merge. I hope the introdution of 'IPC::Run3' doesn't do any harm.
19:22 mako93r Not hundreds, but thousands.
19:24 mako93r I know I did something critical. (I modified 'RPerl/Compiler.pm', so it has to be critical/dangerous)
19:25 willthechill yes as you said, possibly critical or dangerous, I need to carefully review before merging
19:25 mako93r Wise decision.
19:26 mako93r I'm somewhat afraid. But I swear I did my really best.
19:28 mako93r Don't hesitate to tell me whether my commits are not good enough.
19:29 willthechill I will let you know in a little while.  :-)
19:29 mako93r Cool.
19:40 willthechill mako93r: okay I have reviewed the code!
19:41 willthechill my only concern is that we are making very experimental changes, and you are deleting huge chunks of relatively complicated code
19:41 willthechill so what I would like is if you would go back into Compiler.pm and t/09 files, and instead of deleting the lines, just comment them out
19:42 willthechill so for Compiler.pm and t/09, all the red lines at the following link should be commented instead of deleted
19:42 willthechill https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl/pull/67/files
19:42 willthechill once you do this and make another pull request (which should also presumably pass on travis), then I will merge the request
19:42 willthechill :-)
19:42 willthechill make sense?
19:47 mako93r You wanna have an option, want you? Anyway, I can provide you with this, captain. One Moment, please. Shouldn't be an issue.
19:47 willthechill actually no we don't need an option
19:47 willthechill I just don't want to delete the old code until we are one million percent sure it will work
19:48 willthechill because all that previous code which works on both Linux & Windows took a lot of effort by bulk88 and myself to get it working
19:48 willthechill I hope your solution replaces everything and works on all operating systems, in which case we WILL eventually delete all that old code from Compiler.pm and t/09
19:48 willthechill but first we have to actually get it working!  ;-)
19:49 willthechill so no, don't do anything other than just commenting it
19:53 mako93r Hm, ok, reasonable. That shouldn't be a big issue. Let's see what I can do.
19:57 willthechill excellent!
20:11 willthechill mako93r: one other thing, above each block of commented code please add the following line
20:12 willthechill # NEED UPDATE: delete the following commented code when the new IPC::Run3 replacement code is proven to work
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20:24 mako93r Got it!
20:44 willthechill rurban: hi how are you?  :-)
20:44 mako93r Oh, dammit. I've forgotten to introduce your 'NEED UPDATE'-commenting. Sorry, my bad.
20:45 willthechill mako93r: now now there's no need for profanity, haha!
20:45 willthechill go ahead and make the update and I shall wait patiently.  :-)
20:46 willthechill karjala: can you please help me figure out how to shrink the width of the big empty margin on the left side of Learning RPerl?  and also how to add a small margin to the right side as well?  thank you!!!
20:46 willthechill http://rperl.org/learning_rperl.html
20:47 willthechill I tried to figure it out on my own, and I also already asked for help on Stack Overflow, but nothing so far.  :-(
20:49 karjala willthechill: if you look in your CSS file, there's a rule called .content { ... }
20:49 karjala there's a margin-left thingy there
20:49 karjala modify that to change the left margin
20:50 willthechill okay checking now!  :-)
20:51 karjala to add a margin to the right, just add the rule: margin-right: 100px or however many pixels you want
20:51 karjala right there
20:51 willthechill sweet, I will do that and let you know in just a few mins hopefully!  :-D
20:51 karjala keep in mind that mobile devices might show the same margins, on a much smaller screen
20:52 karjala but who cares about mobile users
20:52 karjala I don't
20:52 willthechill oh yeah
20:52 willthechill dang
20:52 willthechill that's not good
20:52 willthechill but wait didn't we already fix that?
20:52 karjala all we fixed is the zoom-level
20:53 karjala we made letters appear large, and the total width of the page be few pixels
20:53 willthechill hmm okay so how do we address this new margin thing then?
20:53 willthechill I mean, how do we make the margins also responsive, like with the zoom level?
20:53 karjala I don't know - you would need the help of a front-end developer with that
20:53 karjala I have no idea
20:53 willthechill oh dang okay then!
20:54 karjala ah - maybe you could set margins to be a % value
20:54 karjala like margin-left: 5%
20:54 karjala not sure
20:54 willthechill okay checking
20:55 karjala test with chrome devtools mobile emulation
20:56 karjala it goes without saying that you can test modifications of the CSS right from the devtools, without editing the actual file on the hard disk
20:56 willthechill oh well I'm editing the file with vi, haha!
20:56 karjala ok whatever
20:56 karjala vi rules
20:56 willthechill yes vi definitely rules
20:57 willthechill I just got vi installed on my cell phone
20:57 willthechill I love it
20:57 willthechill anyway, YES the percentage works!
20:57 willthechill at least in normal browser mode...
20:58 willthechill oh wait we don't want or need any margins for mobile mode
20:58 willthechill so we're good on that!
20:59 willthechill it automatically has a tiny margin already in responsive mobile mode
20:59 willthechill at least on my browser
21:04 karjala so, to understand what you're saying correctly, you want to know how to eliminate that small margin on the mobile?
21:05 karjala or you're happy with it, because it's small?
21:05 willthechill karjala: no no we're good keeping the margin
21:05 willthechill I'm happy with it
21:05 willthechill :-)
21:05 karjala ok!
21:05 willthechill so basically you have helped me solve the issue!
21:05 willthechill I'm about to push now
21:05 karjala :-)
21:07 willthechill karjala: okay it is live online now!
21:07 willthechill http://rperl.org/learning_rperl.html
21:07 willthechill will you please give it a quick look with shift-reload and make sure the margins are better now?
21:08 willthechill should be only 2% on left and same on right, with no thin border line on either side
21:08 karjala well done
21:08 karjala looks good
21:08 willthechill great, thanks to you, haha!  :-D
21:08 willthechill karjala++
21:09 willthechill meanwhile, I have finished initial work on the LAMP installer script, and am about to get some new RPerl cloud servers set up!
21:09 willthechill https://github.com/wbraswell/lampuniversity.org/blob/master/bin/LAMP_installer.sh
21:09 willthechill which brings us back to the impending WebPerl backend work
21:09 willthechill which should hopefully be happening over the weekend
21:24 travis-ci RPerl build passed. 93r says 'Reintroduced deleted comments'
21:24 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/93r/rperl/builds/171497111 https://github.com/93r/rperl/compare/90ef4ccc854f...331ffb80fb05
21:25 rurban willthechill: busy
21:25 willthechill rurban: busy is good!  :-)
21:26 willthechill rurban: I see many perl11 builds from you, very nice!
21:27 mako93r I did it. At least it looks like so.
21:27 willthechill mako93r: your comments passed on travis, are you working now to add in the final "NEED UPDATE" comments or shall I do it?
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21:28 rurban1 well, I have to maintain 5.22, 5.24 and work on 5.25. plus lots of modules
21:28 willthechill anton & kentnl: howdy! how are y'all doing today?  :-)
21:28 willthechill rurban1: wow yes that is a lot of work!
21:29 willthechill rurban1: it would be nice to see a list of which groups have already adopted cperl for production use
21:29 mako93r willthechill: Maybe you should do it. Because you know far better where stuff belongs,
21:29 willthechill mako93r: okay I will merge the pull request now!  :-D
21:31 mako93r Appreciate it! Thx. But again: My work has just begun, captain.
21:31 willthechill bulk88: you here?
21:31 mako93r I can do better. And I will and I dare. That's it, captain.
21:32 willthechill mako93r: you are doing a fine job so far, sir!  a fine job, indeed.
21:34 willthechill mako93r: I have not clicked the "merge pull request" button in github yet, and now it shows you have done a merge of some kind?
21:34 willthechill it has triggered another travis test to start running just now
21:34 willthechill so what is this latest thing you have done?
21:37 willthechill OH I see, you just merged in my latest minor changes which I had to push so that I could do the Learning RPerl margins thing
21:37 willthechill okay as soon as this one passes on travis then I will merge it
21:38 mako93r I've introduced just the changes you want. (Comments and the like). This stuff already passed. What's the issue?
21:38 willthechill sivoais: hi how are you sir?  :-)
21:38 willthechill mako93r: no issue, just waiting for the automatic process to run its course
21:39 willthechill mako93r: you are totally good.
21:41 mako93r willthechill: Thx, (don't know why), But for some reason Travis is rerunning. Don't know why. ??????
21:42 willthechill mako93r: it is re-running because I made some minor change to the master branch and it got re-merged back into your pull request
21:42 willthechill which then triggered another run on travis
21:43 willthechill that's what I was saying above
21:44 willthechill chansen: howdy!  I don't think we've met
21:47 mako93r willthechill: Looks good: https://travis-ci.org/wbraswell/rperl/builds/171497127
21:49 willthechill yes but now I'm confused because yet another travis build was triggered just 2 mins ago...
21:49 willthechill https://travis-ci.org/wbraswell/rperl/jobs/171516588
21:55 willthechill mako93r: okay I can't exactly figure out why we have some many different travis builds
21:55 willthechill please don't click any more buttons on github or issue any more git commands for now
21:55 willthechill I will wait until all travis builds have stopped
21:56 mako93r No problem. I will hold the line.
21:56 willthechill yes me too, haha!  :-)
21:58 mako93r :-D
22:04 travis-ci RPerl build passed. Will Braswell says 'Tests, Fix 2-D Array Formatting In Hard-Coded Tests, Part 2'
22:04 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/wbraswell/rperl/builds/171501811 https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl/compare/6bbb2f98b6ee...845605d12c12
22:07 willthechill one travis done, I think only one more to go...
22:16 travis-ci RPerl build passed. 93r says 'Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl'
22:16 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/93r/rperl/builds/171516604 https://github.com/93r/rperl/compare/331ffb80fb05...1b0490a1213e
22:20 willthechill okay another travis has passed, and still at one more going... :-P
22:23 mako93r Nice.
22:23 mako93r Let's see.
22:30 mako93r https://travis-ci.org/wbraswell/rperl
22:31 mako93r I did it.
22:36 travis-ci perl11/cperl#1822 (smoke/master - bb304b9 : Reini Urban): The build passed. https://travis-ci.org/perl11/cperl/builds/171519432
22:44 mako93r I made it, captain. I wasn't wrong.Your opinion needed.
22:47 willthechill checking
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22:51 willthechill mako93r: pull request has finally been merged into master branch!  :-D
22:51 willthechill mako93r++
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23:08 travis-ci perl11/cperl#1823 (smoke/maint-5.24c - b5bf65d : Reini Urban): The build failed. https://travis-ci.org/perl11/cperl/builds/171520603
23:11 mako93r Really cool. Thx, captain,
23:11 willthechill you are welcome sir, and thank YOU!
23:11 willthechill I temporarily disabled appveyor, need to turn it back on now
23:13 mako93r Nice. Now, I can do my real job. Thx, for merging.
23:14 mako93r Now, I have to figure out how to get Appveyor working,
23:15 willthechill okay yes I just re-enabled appveyor
23:15 willthechill so now github will trigger both travis and appveyor builds on all pull requests
23:16 willthechill also, in a perfect or ideal world, we will actually figure out why appveyor was hanging with the now-commented open() code
23:16 willthechill because it is always better to have less dependencies rather than more dependencies
23:16 willthechill so if we don't actually NEED to use IPC::Run3 then it would be nice if we could just use the simpler open() solution
23:16 willthechill of course I understand that we do NOT live in a perfect or ideal world, haha!
23:17 willthechill so if we need to keep IPC::Run3 then that's fine
23:17 willthechill I'm just saying our general strategy should always be to have less dependencies rather than more dependencies
23:17 willthechill in order to get RPerl merged into the Perl 5 core, we will eventually need to remove as many dependencies as possible
23:19 mako93r I just made it run. Next step is to make it run successfully. Don't care about it, Ok, we've got an additional dependency now. Doesn't mean we've got it forever.
23:20 willthechill yes I agree, it is okay to use IPC::Run3 at least for now!
23:21 willthechill once you get it totally working with IPC::Run3, I would like to have us both talk with bulk88 and try to figure out why it was not working with open()
23:21 willthechill bulk88: ping
23:21 mako93r Sometimes a step back today is two steps forward tomorrow,
23:21 willthechill yes of course  :-)
23:22 willthechill and I don't consider it a step back if it brings us from hanging to not hanging, haha!
23:22 willthechill BRB
23:22 mako93r My real intention.
23:23 mako93r My real achievement.
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23:24 willthechill okay I'm back online
23:24 willthechill had to restart X
23:24 mako93r willthechill: My job was not perfect. But I did what I did. And it was good enough.
23:25 willthechill good enough for government, haha!
23:25 willthechill (as we say in the USA)
23:26 mako93r I'm not a governator ...
23:26 willthechill ;-P
23:27 willthechill now that we've faced several weeks of unexpected delays...  it is almost time for our upcoming Halloween release of RPerl!
23:27 mako93r Only because I'm german doesn't mean I'm a conquerer.
23:28 willthechill you are german and rurban is austrian so I will always keep my eyes on you both!  ;-)
23:28 willthechill I must say that Germany is one of the most wonderful places I've ever been
23:28 willthechill regarding the Halloween release, let's finish up everything by Sunday which we want to include in the release
23:34 mako93r When time comes, I will invite you, so you can see what we germans really are. (The freaks who defeated roman empire. (Yes, we did)). You've never seen stuff like this.
23:34 willthechill I can't wait!
23:36 travis-ci RPerl build passed. William N. Braswell, Jr says 'Merge pull request #67 from 93r/master
23:36 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/wbraswell/rperl/builds/171533082 https://github.com/wbraswell/rperl/compare/845605d12c12...ad65313792fc
23:38 willthechill okay good deal
23:45 mako93r Let's put it that way: Excellent! I did a great job. Did I?
23:47 willthechill so far so good!
23:47 willthechill :-)
23:49 mako93r :-) Sorry for my arrogance, But as I can see I did something right. At least for the moment,
23:50 willthechill oh yes you definitely did SOMETHING right!
23:50 willthechill now we just need to figure out what to do with it
23:52 travis-ci RPerl build passed. William N. Braswell, Jr says 'Merge pull request #67 from 93r/master
23:52 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/93r/rperl/builds/171536008 https://github.com/93r/rperl/compare/1b0490a1213e...ad65313792fc
23:52 mako93r But the good thing is this: We've got something where we can figure out where the problem is. We couldn't do that before I introduced my changes.
23:53 willthechill geez why do we have so many travis builds still?
23:53 mako93r An additional issue, I guess.

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