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00:17 jabbot pugs - 1184 - Added tests for anonymous roles and dest
00:17 jabbot pugs - 1183 - Added clone and constructor tests.
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00:21 iblech Hi, just wanted to say that a) i must totally sleep now :) and b) I'll be away the next week (skiing)
00:27 jabbot pugs - 1185 - Added tests for properties.
00:29 iblech changes topic to: pugscode.org <<Overview Journal>> | pugs.kwiki.org | logged: http://xrl.us/e98m | FBSD_4.11:r1124(120/2913) win2k:r1124(110/2913) Linux:r1185(111/3191)
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00:48 kolibrie anyone tried 'export TEST_LOG_FILE=test.log; make test; vi test.log'?
00:49 theorbtwo Allo.
00:50 kolibrie groetjes
00:52 theorbtwo kolibrie: Haven't tried it -- there's a test harness that outputs YAML, though, which is probably useful for more or less the same stuff.
00:53 theorbtwo autrjus, re the TODO list generator: have you tried looking at the testgraph thing?
00:53 kolibrie theorbtwo: is YAML the kind of stuff META.yml is made of?
00:53 theorbtwo (The dark green and dark red is TODO: green is "good", red is "bad".  (Yeah, typically Western.))
00:53 theorbtwo Yes.
00:54 kolibrie which module is generating that?
00:55 theorbtwo YAML.pm, naturally.
00:56 kolibrie I mean, how is it harnessed to the tests?
00:56 theorbtwo perl util/yaml_harness.pl
00:56 kolibrie I'll look at it
00:56 theorbtwo That'll generate a tests.yml file.
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01:01 kolibrie it looks like util/yaml_harness.pl reads the $*OUT from the test scripts and generates YAML from it
01:02 kolibrie I'm wondering if I should just change the output of my 'test.log' to spit out YAML
01:02 theorbtwo Something like that.
01:02 kolibrie or maybe allow it to spit out several different formats
01:02 autrijus greetings from YAPC::Taipei!
01:02 kolibrie woohoo!
01:02 theorbtwo Salutations!
01:03 autrijus I just refactored hash to take strings as keys (by default for now)
01:04 kolibrie not quite sure what that means - translation?
01:04 theorbtwo It didn't before?
01:05 autrijus it didn't
01:05 kolibrie theorbtwo: not sure what autrijus did
01:05 autrijus my %hash = (1 => 2); %hash<1>
01:05 autrijus doesn't work
01:05 autrijus because 1 is Int and <1> means {'1'}
01:05 theorbtwo Ah.
01:05 autrijus try it. :)
01:06 theorbtwo Ah.
01:06 kolibrie so now %hash<1> will say 2?
01:07 theorbtwo And, I hope, the opp will also start working:
01:07 theorbtwo ./pugs -e 'my %foo=("1" => 2); say %foo{1}'
01:08 autrijus right.
01:09 autrijus YAPC broadcast -- rtsp://140.110.17.6/yapc.sdp
01:09 kolibrie in what language?
01:09 autrijus this hour is chinese (clkao)
01:09 autrijus after that it's all english
01:09 autrijus with chinese interpreters
01:09 kolibrie my chinese is non-existent
01:10 theorbtwo When are you on?
01:11 autrijus tomorrow last session
01:11 autrijus # http://yapc.elixus.org/schedule.html
01:11 autrijus 90 minutes, "Perl 6 The Ultimate"
01:11 autrijus (times are in GMT+8)
01:12 kolibrie what software plays .sdp?  Haven't run across that before.
01:12 autrijus mplayer or quicktime
01:13 kolibrie thanks
01:13 theorbtwo Sadly, gxine does not.
01:14 kolibrie totem popped up when I tried, but then said it couldn't do it
01:14 autrijus :-/
01:14 autrijus vlc maybe?
01:14 theorbtwo Hmm, (g)mplayer seems to have problems of some sorts as well, but it looks like it's simply not seeing any data from it.
01:15 bd_ I got mplayer to play it on the second try
01:15 kolibrie vlc just spit out a whole bunch of junk on the command-line
01:22 kolibrie stevan, you around?
01:22 hcchien vlc doesn't work for me.
01:24 autrijus I want clkao's slides :(~
01:24 * autrijus can't see any word
01:25 Khisanth need new glasses? :)
01:25 autrijus I don't have glasses :)
01:25 Khisanth ah well there is your problem!
01:26 autrijus XD
01:26 kolibrie binoculars come in handy
01:26 Khisanth field of vision is too narrow
01:27 autrijus the speakers should just upload their slides :)
01:27 kolibrie would be nice
01:28 hcchien I just ask the speakers upload the slides before their talk. :)
01:33 kolibrie autrijus: good luck tomorrow, in case I don't bump into you before then
01:33 autrijus :D
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01:51 luqui ditto
01:51 luqui to the good luck bit
01:51 luqui and s/in case I don't bump into you before then//
01:51 autrijus =)
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02:27 autrijus http://wagner.elixus.org/~clkao/runapp-intro
02:38 stevan autrijus: next release is 6.0.13? or were you going to go to 6.0.14?
02:38 autrijus 6.0.13. I have no problem with 13, thanks :)
02:38 stevan ok :)
02:38 stevan isnt 666 good luck in china as well?
02:39 autrijus right
02:39 stevan actually both my bosses are chinese-americans
02:39 autrijus nice
02:39 stevan actually they own the company
02:39 stevan :P
02:40 stevan and I am the only other employee :)
02:40 autrijus nice
02:40 stevan small consultancies ++
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03:05 ingy hi stevan
03:05 stevan hey ingy
03:05 ingy install problems?
03:06 stevan yeah I noticed that the Test.pm Makefile.PL installed into my /Library/Perl/5.8.1 as well as the /Library/Perl/6
03:07 stevan I noticed this because I copied that Makefile.PL for the FileSpec one
03:07 stevan and prompty overwrote my perl5 File::Spec install :)
03:15 _metaperl how do I init my svn repository on rt.openfoundry.org
03:15 autrijus _metaperl: what is your project name?
03:15 _metaperl terry@Abulafia:~/perl/hax$ svn import DBIx-DBH http://svn.openfoundry.org/dbixdb\
03:15 _metaperl h/ -m 'initial import'
03:15 _metaperl svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/dbixdbh'
03:15 _metaperl svn:  
03:15 _metaperl Could not open the requested SVN filesystem
03:15 _metaperl dbixdbh
03:16 _metaperl the project name is dbixdbh
03:16 autrijus uh
03:16 autrijus you just use it
03:16 _metaperl but my svn import just failed...
03:16 autrijus try again?
03:17 autrijus it takes some time to initiate I think
03:17 _metaperl yes, now it worked... but I never explicitly initted it
03:18 stevan autrijus: how far along is the parrot and haskell backends?
03:18 stevan still pretty primative?
03:19 autrijus very primitive
03:19 stevan ok
03:19 autrijus but I'll focus on haskell backend
03:19 autrijus and port all Eval.hs over
03:19 autrijus so we have on the fly compilation
03:19 autrijus and won't need to maintain two piece of logic
03:20 autrijus the parrot backend should also benefit from that.
03:20 stevan cool
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03:23 _metaperl hi Ovid
03:23 autrijus hey Ovid
03:23 Ovid Hi people.
03:23 stevan hey ovid
03:24 Ovid Hi stevan.  Out of curiosity, do you know if anyone is using the Class::Traits module?
03:24 stevan nothingmuch tried to use it once
03:25 stevan but it wasnt really what he needed
03:25 stevan other than that nope
03:25 stevan I enjoyed writing it :)
03:25 Ovid Hrmph.  Bummer.  We have some things we might be using it for in Bricolage 2, so I was wondering if anyone else had success with it.
03:26 stevan I have fiddled with it, but it's a weird way to think of OO
03:26 stevan and so I never found a good fit for it
03:27 stevan and nothingmuch's idea was pretty insane, he basically tried to use it for cracked out mixins
03:27 Ovid ? Traits should be a nice replacement for mixins.  What was he doing?
03:27 stevan mixins :)
03:28 Ovid Heh :)
03:28 Ovid Traits would have been perfect, then.  I think mixins are only marginally better than the Interface crap they came up with in Java.
03:28 stevan he really needed to use multiple inheritence and mixins, and thats not really what Traits are
03:29 stevan he needed traits that didnt flatten into the class basically
03:29 stevan nothingmuch is crazy :)
03:29 Ovid Ah, OK.  That would be an issue.
03:30 Ovid The "not flattening" part.  Not the "crazy" part :)
03:30 stevan I would be happy to resurrect that project though
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03:30 stevan it was fun
03:31 stevan ingy: what is the status of the Kwid stuff? I need it for the Changelog?
03:33 cm hi
03:34 autrijus stevan: svn log not detailed enough?
03:34 stevan autrijus: in some places yes, in some places no, and I have not been following the kwid stuff much though
03:35 autrijus nod. I think Perl5-Kwid can gen html
03:35 stevan ok
03:35 autrijus and there is also a Kwid Formatter in Spork (outside pugs)
03:35 autrijus which can gen Kwiki, S5 and other slides using Kwid
03:35 stevan yes I saw that
03:41 stevan would you classify the inline stuff as experimental as well?
03:41 autrijus sure.
03:41 stevan or is that pretty far along ?
03:41 autrijus no, just color it experimental
03:42 autrijus the point of .13 is to push out experimental stuff so people can make them robust in .14 :)
03:42 stevan ok
03:44 stevan are we dropping all 6.2.2 support after 6.0.13?
03:44 autrijus we are officially dropping 6.2 support on 6.2.
03:44 stevan ok
03:44 autrijus before that, there may be features that 6.2 won't run
03:45 stevan BTW - iblech ported 17 modules and wrote over 200 oo tests
03:45 stevan iblech++
03:46 stevan what does pugs --extern do?
03:46 nothingmuch good morning
03:46 autrijus stevan: it generates the haskell wrapper
03:46 stevan good morning nothingmuch
03:46 autrijus for a inline module
03:47 nothingmuch actually
03:47 nothingmuch good night
03:47 stevan nothingmuch: we are all on internet time here
03:47 stevan its night for me, morning for you,.. I dont know what for autrijus
03:47 autrijus 11:47 noon
03:47 * nothingmuch drinks his tea, and goes to read
03:47 nothingmuch well, it is morning, physically
03:47 nothingmuch just not mentally
03:47 nothingmuch for autrijus it should be around noonish
03:47 stevan 10:47pm here
03:48 nothingmuch 5:47 am
03:49 nothingmuch so anyway, today i hope to finish the linking of results to the cross index
03:49 stevan nice
03:49 nothingmuch and we have to generate index.html files per dir
03:50 nothingmuch depends on if i have to go to my luthier or not
03:50 nothingmuch well, we'll see
03:50 nothingmuch anywho, ciao
03:50 cm 10:50 pm, mhm
03:50 stevan you jamming to hard or something?
03:50 nothingmuch was semi drunk up to around 3 hours ago
03:50 nothingmuch a bit hoarse (good music)
03:51 nothingmuch my neck kind of hurts, from the cape
03:51 nothingmuch and my arm does too, from playing with the fairy wand
03:51 stevan ah yes isreali halloween right?
03:51 nothingmuch yup
03:51 nothingmuch we are celebrating the death of some persian-age hitler
03:51 nothingmuch mostly by eating cookies
03:52 nothingmuch named 'ears of haman'
03:52 nothingmuch a metaphore for the real ones that were allegedly cut off
03:52 nothingmuch it's also considered a 'mitzva', that is, a sort of good thing to do
03:53 * stevan thought christian holidays were weird
03:53 nothingmuch as perscribed by god
03:53 nothingmuch to get drunk
03:53 nothingmuch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purim
03:54 nothingmuch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamantasch
03:54 nothingmuch zzz &
03:56 stevan metaperl: you around?
03:57 _metaperl here
03:58 stevan do you happen to remember what numeric functions you impemented?
03:58 _metaperl well they are in the same place in Prim.hs so Icould find them
03:58 stevan so I dont have to dig really deep into SVN
03:58 _metaperl oh, you want to write tests?
03:58 _metaperl hold on
03:58 stevan actually its for the changelog, but I will write tests too if they are needed
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03:59 _metaperl atan2
03:59 _metaperl cos, sin, sqrt
04:00 _metaperl and exp
04:00 stevan excellent,.. thanks
04:01 _metaperl sure
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04:35 stevan autrijus: r1186 has the new Changelog in it
04:35 stevan autrijus: you might need to add some details that I missed
04:35 stevan ingy: add any Kwid stuff too it as well
04:37 jabbot pugs - 1186 - adding ChangeLog for 6.0.13
04:41 stevan ok I will TODO the tests tomorrow, night all &
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05:17 jabbot pugs - 1187 - * ARGS is the new ARGV
05:22 autrijus stevan++
05:22 autrijus stevan++
05:22 autrijus stevan++
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05:36 Khisanth what did the V stand for anyway?
05:37 bd_ Vector maybe?
05:38 Darren_Duncan 'Values' I think
05:38 Darren_Duncan It comes, I think, from the C days when the main() got 2 arguments ...
05:38 Khisanth well yeah
05:38 Darren_Duncan ARGC (count) and ARGV (values)
05:39 Darren_Duncan Perl didn't need the count, but kept the Values name anyway
05:39 Khisanth could be vector though :)
05:39 Darren_Duncan perhaps
05:39 Darren_Duncan vector is another name for array, isn't it?
05:39 Khisanth vector is a rather confusing term!
05:40 Darren_Duncan If you know math, it makes sense
05:40 Darren_Duncan 'vector' is a term in mathematics that is a list of related values that act like one value
05:40 Khisanth if you are using Java or C++ you could be refering to the specific classes :)
05:41 Darren_Duncan eg, a direction in 2+D space has 2+ elements in the vector, one per dimension, and all together they give a single indication of the direction
05:41 Schwern Victory
05:41 Schwern Visitors
05:41 Darren_Duncan the math term 'matrix' is like a two-dimensional array, or a grid
05:42 Schwern ..._
05:43 Darren_Duncan now, about my porting progress ...
05:43 Darren_Duncan I made a promise to have a perl-6ification up today
05:43 Darren_Duncan so to meet that promise, I'm going to leave the perl 5 updates half-finished and do them later
05:43 Darren_Duncan though I originally planned to do them first
05:44 Darren_Duncan the very first commit of the port will also lack a SYNOPSIS, but that should be added the next day
05:45 Darren_Duncan as a separate decision, my announcement to dbi-users will be made after the port, so the announcement can include that a perl6 version is available
05:46 Darren_Duncan working ...
05:58 autrijus tmoertel++ # crazy folk
05:58 autrijus in one day!
05:58 autrijus # http://community.moertel.com/ss/space/start/2005-03-25/1
05:59 * tmoertel blames the espresso
05:59 autrijus ooh just like me
05:59 autrijus tmoertel: will you compile ruby to parrot after 50 days?
05:59 autrijus or compile to haskell... or compile to pugsast
05:59 autrijus tmoertel: you know, with template haskell, you can just focus on the evaluator and it will magically become a compiler :D
06:00 tmoertel autrijus: no, I want to implement only the fun stuff :)
06:00 autrijus aw, I assure you all of it is fun :)
06:00 autrijus <- starts pugs only to model junctions
06:00 tmoertel <- has parsimoniously allocated tuits
06:00 autrijus you can get some imaginary tuits
06:01 autrijus or quarternion tuits
06:01 tmoertel hmmm... sqrt(-tuit); yes, that might work...
06:01 autrijus Kwid is the new Changelog format
06:06 autrijus hash string keys and scw's END{} fix are now in
06:06 autrijus Schwern++
06:06 autrijus err,
06:06 autrijus scw++
06:07 jabbot pugs - 1190 - * scw contributed a fix to make END {...
06:07 jabbot pugs - 1189 - * kwidify changelog
06:07 jabbot pugs - 1188 - * mad golfer should not have my chinese
06:10 gaal hi
06:12 autrijus hey
06:13 Schwern scw != Schwern
06:13 autrijus except my autocompleter brain cells only does two character lookahead
06:13 autrijus and you sort first :)
06:14 gaal heh (lucky i have a double-a deal in my name)
06:16 gaal autrijus, re the command line, shall we do it haskell then?
06:17 autrijus you mean the parser?
06:17 autrijus sure, that'd be nice.
06:17 autrijus write a
06:17 gaal yes
06:17 autrijus parseArgs :: [String] -> Arguments
06:17 autrijus or rather
06:17 autrijus parseOpts :: [String] -> Options
06:17 autrijus and declare an option struct for things we care about?
06:18 gaal okay; the only problem is things like p5 -0 that can be specified a few times and basically have effect only until they are redefined
06:18 gaal ie they have side effects
06:18 gaal on the code that accumulates as they are parsed :/
06:19 autrijus that's fine.
06:19 autrijus you don't need to do it right now :)
06:19 gaal so this Options can contain part of a one-liner
06:19 autrijus yeah.
06:19 autrijus or evan a function
06:19 autrijus optSource :: IO String
06:19 gaal imagine that :)
06:19 autrijus which, when run, returns a string
06:20 autrijus either from readFile or just "return str"
06:22 gaal hmm, but there are things that are environment / more or less global, not part of the source String
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06:23 autrijus sure, then add more opt stuff
06:25 gaal i'll take a look at how the current library does this, i have a lot of learning to do
06:25 autrijus that's fine :)
06:25 autrijus feel free to ask around on #haskell
06:25 autrijus or google for haskell-cafe archives about opt parsing
06:26 gaal ah, good, good. though perl probably outweirds most of what's foudn there :)
06:26 gaal good lead though.
06:27 jabbot pugs - 1191 - fix enum test.
06:27 * gaal &
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07:57 jabbot pugs - 1192 - * asavige pointed out that nonblocky dec
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08:10 autrijus obra's talk is about to begin
08:10 autrijus I'm the interpreter :)
08:11 autrijus autrijus> _
08:13 Dabian ajeau!
08:14 Schwern Can you JIT obra?
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08:24 Darren_Duncan has the talk started yet?
08:25 Darren_Duncan anyway, quick question ...
08:25 Darren_Duncan is Pugs no longer using a MANIFEST?
08:26 Darren_Duncan apparently not ... although it still has a MANIFEST.SKIP
08:27 Darren_Duncan anyway, the first SQL::Routine commit has been done ...
08:27 Darren_Duncan the translation is not complete, and I will resume it tomorrow
08:27 jabbot pugs - 1194 - SQL::Routine first commit - partial tran
08:27 jabbot pugs - 1193 - Locale::KeyedText - fixed a few minor Pe
08:28 Darren_Duncan meanwhile, I delivered something of it by the day I promised, Friday the 25th
08:28 Darren_Duncan GOOD LUCK on the talk, Obra and Autrijus
08:28 Darren_Duncan I look forward to the report tomorrow
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08:48 crysflame autrijus++ # autrijus> _
08:48 luqui autrijus> _ ?
08:49 scw luqui: 'autrijus>' is the prompt :p
08:49 hcchien interpreter. :)
08:50 luqui and the _ is?
08:50 scw cursor?
08:50 luqui uh
08:50 luqui whatever
08:50 scw or maybe `everthing` since he's crazy on Haskell :pp
08:51 luqui I was thinking:
08:51 luqui for 1... { die if $_ > autrijus }
08:51 luqui that would give the halting computer a pain
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09:23 hcchien hmm...., ingy may announce FreePAN project later. :)
09:23 Alias_ eep
09:23 Alias_ I'd hoped to talk to him about it first
09:23 Alias_ There's some... problems... with the concept
09:24 hcchien you can ping him now.
09:25 ingy hello
09:25 autrijus Alias_: I've voiced your concerns yesterday.
09:25 autrijus during ingy's b-day party
09:25 Alias_ hahahah
09:25 Alias_ oopsi
09:25 Alias_ I've got a few more to add
09:25 ingy autrijus: was I concerned?
09:25 autrijus type away
09:25 autrijus ingy: you were drunk
09:25 hcchien haha
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09:25 ingy I had one beer
09:25 Alias_ My main new concern is this idea that the dist will exactly match what is in svn
09:25 autrijus you had insufficient sleep
09:26 autrijus gawd I made larry write S28
09:26 Alias_ My dists practically never match what is in my repository
09:26 autrijus http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.compiler/460
09:26 Alias_ In fact, my layout is totally different
09:26 autrijus luqui: S28.pod? XD
09:26 Alias_ I have a package build script to "compile" a release
09:26 ingy Alias_: the dist will match your MANIFEST likely
09:26 ingy at the time you tag a release
09:27 Alias_ MANIFEST?
09:27 Alias_ I have no such think
09:27 Alias_ thing
09:27 Alias_ It's built at package compile time automatically
09:27 ingy I must not be understanding you
09:27 obra Alias_: _why_ do you do this?
09:27 ingy sorry I am very tired right now
09:27 obra what's the purpose?
09:27 Alias_ obra: A variety of reasons...
09:28 Alias_ obra: Firstly, so all my devel modules are in one huge /lib
09:28 autrijus I'm cool with MANIFEST not in trunk.
09:28 autrijus (ingy is cool with that too)
09:28 Alias_ So I can work on improvements to several interlinked modules at once
09:28 Alias_ Secondly for quality control
09:28 obra oh. so the problem is that svn doesn't have views yet ;)
09:28 obra for quality control?
09:28 Alias_ My build script auto-adds 99_pod.t and does various other sanity checking
09:28 autrijus nor does svk
09:28 autrijus but svk will :)
09:28 autrijus clkao: will svk have views?
09:28 Alias_ obra: Once Test::Inline 2 is done it will also automatically compile the inline tests
09:29 clkao it's half implemented. and some new fancy api broke that branch. but it is fixable
09:29 Alias_ In the actual directory for the dist, I generally have two files only. Makefile.PL and Changes
09:29 Alias_ The rest is built
09:30 Alias_ Next possible problem, how will Freepan handle unpack/repack?
09:30 autrijus aw, "twigil"
09:30 autrijus $@% are "sigils"
09:30 autrijus *?^ are "twigils"
09:30 ingy nice
09:30 Alias_ Having the release manager/indexer do things to people's packages
09:30 obra Alias_: will the new test::inline be 100% backwards compat
09:31 Alias_ obra: As clone as I can get to it
09:31 obra Alias_: it sounds like you'll want to do "releases" to FreePAN
09:31 Alias_ obra: It will drop a few very redundant things
09:31 * obra worries that it'll break RT
09:31 Alias_ obra: The new Test::Inline has much better support for big projects
09:31 ingy Alias_: you don't have to use the autodist feature. Likely there will be support for you to build your own dists.
09:31 Alias_ obra: You can compile tests for the entire lib in one hit
09:32 Alias_ My biggest T:Inline usage involves 59 test scripts and 5000 SLOC
09:32 ingy or maybe FreePAN just leaves exports tarballs of releases to CPAN, or something
09:32 ingy TMTOWTDI
09:34 * Jouke waves at the Y::T attendees
09:34 autrijus yo Jouke!
09:34 obra Alias_: Why do I care that I can compile?
09:34 Alias_ obra: Because the only thing that pod2test does is compile inline tests into test scripts?
09:35 obra er right. I don't want to check those into my repo
09:35 Alias_ Maybe bad use of "compile"
09:35 obra untill I ditch test::inlinethough I've needed a custom pod2test
09:36 Alias_ The downside of T::Inline 2 is it currently has a little dependency bloat
09:36 Alias_ I hope to resolve that as I get closer to something more community friendly
09:36 obra when do you plan to release?
09:36 Alias_ When I get close enough...
09:37 Alias_ It works fine for me in my uses ATM... the rest is just a gift to everyone, done as I have the time
09:37 Alias_ But I won't do a "real" release until it's good enough
09:38 Alias_ s/good/compatible/
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09:54 ingy and now I speak for FreePAN...
09:54 ingy autrijus: will you translate?
09:54 autrijus sure!
09:54 ingy Alias_: I will give you commit access to the project :)
09:55 Alias_ ingy: It scares me too much at the moment :)
09:55 ingy Alias_: everything around here scares me
10:02 hcchien FreePan talk now
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10:17 jabbot pugs - 1195 - Added examples/japh/madgolfer.p6 -- is t
10:19 Alias_ While we are on the subject of cons
10:19 Alias_ http://ali.as/OSCON
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10:47 jabbot pugs - 1196 -  r2839@speights:  samv | 2005-03-26 18:3
11:17 jabbot pugs - 1197 - cleanup/unification of command line hand
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12:59 Corion btw - Win2k:r1197(105/3116)
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14:39 scw Hello, I packed pugs into debian package :)
14:39 scw http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~b92103/pugs
14:40 scw There are still several problems (path and something like that), I'll fix them tomorrow :)
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14:51 kungfuftr changes topic to: pugscode.org <<Overview Journal>> | pugs.kwiki.org | logged: http://xrl.us/e98m | FBSD_4.11:r1197(114/3115) win2k:r1124(110/2913) Linux:r1185(111/3191)
14:52 kungfuftr changes topic to: pugscode.org <<Overview Journal>> | pugs.kwiki.org | logged: http://xrl.us/e98m | FBSD_4.11:r1197(114/3115) win2k:r1197(105/3116) Linux:r1185(111/3191)
14:52 kungfuftr bah
14:56 integral mm, what's the two numbers?  files failed / subtests failed?
14:57 malaire subtests failed / subtests total
14:57 * integral can add OS X to that
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15:06 obra hm. pugs has no sockets yet
15:07 malaire My testresults:  Linux:r1197(105/3116)
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15:13 integral hmm, 13 minutes, _slow_ ;-)
15:13 integral my results: MacOSX:r1197(105/3116)
15:14 integral changes topic to: pugscode.org <<Overview Journal>> | pugs.kwiki.org | logged: http://xrl.us/e98m | FBSD_4.11:r1197(114/3115) win2k:r1197(105/3116) Linux:r1197(105/3116) MacOSX:r1197(105/3116)
15:22 autrijus obra: Write Tests
15:22 autrijus test and ye shall receive features
15:27 ingy hola
15:27 ingy autrijus: did you actually ever really get SHA1 working as advertised?
15:28 autrijus ingy: no, the NamedLoader thing needs another ocuple minutes
15:28 autrijus I will make it all work before (or during) my talk.
15:28 ingy aye
15:29 ingy I want to move it into modules where it belongs
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15:29 ingy that will require major mods to the build system to install all the core .o files
15:30 ingy So they can be built outside of pugs
15:30 ingy and then we can move modules into freepan
15:30 ingy I need to spend another day fighting MakeMaker
15:35 nothingmuch morning
15:41 autrijus ingy: you want to move SHA1 to modules?
15:42 autrijus ingy: like, you think it's not possible to make it install properly tomorrow?
15:42 autrijus s/install/make/
15:42 autrijus that is fine.
15:42 autrijus you can move at will
15:42 ingy autrijus: I don't want to move until later
15:42 autrijus k.
15:42 ingy let's try to make it work where it is tommorrow
15:43 ingy that would be nice
15:43 autrijus k.
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17:13 elmex woho
17:32 autrijus ?
17:33 elmex autrijus++
17:33 elmex your cool ;)
17:34 autrijus thanks. :)
17:37 jabbot pugs - 1200 - * mandel.p6 now produces the correct ima
17:37 jabbot pugs - 1199 - add my name.
17:37 jabbot pugs - 1198 - fix one test.
17:39 elmex bbl
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17:43 kungfuftr autrijus: who owns jabbot?
17:45 autrijus gugod
17:45 stevan autrijus: I have TODOed all the tests
17:45 stevan I am going to svn up it now
17:46 stevan I added # unTODOme to the end of all the todo-ed tests
17:46 stevan do some shell script wizard maybe can whip something up to automate this
17:47 jabbot pugs - 1201 - * switch to the C-line #line comment at
17:47 stevan and when all the tests run, we have 3198
17:48 autrijus thank you.
17:48 stevan ok r1202 - all the tests TODOed
17:48 autrijus I've just implemented Leo's fixes.
17:48 stevan no problem :)
17:48 autrijus perl5 is now:
17:48 stevan for Parrot stuff?
17:48 autrijus real    0m6.213s
17:48 autrijus user    0m5.695s
17:49 autrijus pugs is now:
17:49 autrijus real    0m5.652s
17:49 autrijus user    0m5.225s
17:49 autrijus yeah.
17:49 stevan :)
17:49 stevan ok I am gonna be offline for the day, enjoy yourself
17:50 stevan BTW - kwid changelog ,.. very nice
17:50 autrijus yeah, much more readable
17:50 autrijus thanks stevan, see ya!
17:53 kungfuftr autrijus: where's a good place to dive into the haskell code?
17:53 autrijus kungfuftr: depends on your interests...
17:53 autrijus AST.hs is the definition of everything
17:54 autrijus Prim.hs is most rewarding
17:54 kungfuftr autrijus: paranoia is my intrest
17:54 kungfuftr =0)
17:54 autrijus Eval.hs is the heavy weight.
17:54 autrijus so, it's all good :)
17:57 jabbot pugs - 1204 - * Prepare for release.
17:57 jabbot pugs - 1203 - * switched both mandel.p5 and mandel.p6
17:57 jabbot pugs - 1202 - TODOed all the tests in preparation for
17:57 kungfuftr bah, i need a faster machine
17:58 autrijus zzz &
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18:15 elmex hi
18:17 jabbot pugs - 1205 - * add newline at end of file
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18:37 jabbot pugs - 1206 - untodo one test, it's already ok.
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19:07 jabbot pugs - 1207 - fix examples test. '&>' will go backgoun
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19:54 elmex hi
19:54 elmex boyz
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20:09 elmex where to find a real perl6 spec?
20:09 gaal t/Synopsys
20:10 kungfuftr elmex: http://dev.perl.org/perl6/ also handy
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20:14 elmex gaal: the Synopsys are a bit ... 'fuzzy' ;0
20:15 gaal they are concise; they're considered the (incomplete) spec. perhaps the exegeses and apocalypes might come in handy?
20:18 Darren_Duncan Anyone know about how many hours I have left to squeeze in more commits before the 6.0.13 release cutoff?
20:19 vladtz and break a few test along the way :-)
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20:20 Darren_Duncan all my commits in the next few hours are in /modules, so shouldn't break anything
20:21 Darren_Duncan they are just semi-critical to making the ports look a lot better
20:24 vladtz well it was just good to see all tests passed again after several days of finding out how to compile for i386 on a athlon-64...
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20:36 kungfuftr changes topic to: pugscode.org <<Overview Journal>> | pugs.kwiki.org | logged: http://xrl.us/e98m | FBSD_4.11:r1207(0/3197) win2k:r1197(105/3116) Linux:r1197(105/3116) MacOSX:r1197(105/3116)
20:36 kungfuftr NB: while 0 tests fail, the goto test still doesn't compile correctly
20:42 kungfuftr changes topic to: pugscode.org <<Overview Journal>> | pugs.kwiki.org | logged: http://xrl.us/e98m | FBSD_4.11:r1207(0/3197) win2k:r1197(105/3116) Linux:r1197(105/3116) MacOSX:r1197(105/3116) **[793 tests TODO]**
20:42 gaal it doesn't?
20:43 gaal i thought i'd fixed it last night
20:43 kungfuftr 2 secs
20:43 gaal compiles fine here
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20:44 kungfuftr gaal: http://paste.husk.org/2890
20:45 gaal sure you svn up'ed? can you look at the file and see if most of it is commented out?
20:46 gaal (from line 17 on)
20:46 kungfuftr 2 secs
20:46 kungfuftr yar... conflict from last svn up... goi
20:47 gaal we're no trying to adhere to 'all tests must run' policy - which means parsefails are tagged with a todo_fail() or a fail(), then commented out.
20:48 gaal if you see a test blowing up, please fix it :)
20:48 kungfuftr heh, if i could... not enough haskellknowledge... =0/
20:49 gaal i meant the test :) though hey, fixing the code would be nice too :)
20:49 kungfuftr heh
20:49 kungfuftr would love to fix code... but has spirraled
20:52 vladtz kungfuftr: yes I know, lots of todo's
20:52 vladtz enough for now, bye
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20:59 kungfuftr all tests pass on FreeBSD 4.11... yay! =0)
21:23 kungfuftr gaal: there's going to be a release very soon, aye?
21:34 kungfuftr anyone?
21:34 Darren_Duncan it should be on the 27th, Autrijus' time
21:34 Darren_Duncan which is later today the 26th, my time
21:35 Darren_Duncan I need a few more hours to get stuff in first
21:35 kungfuftr k, will commit an interim MANIFEST
21:35 Darren_Duncan why was the old MANIFEST removed?
21:35 Darren_Duncan It can be regenerated along with any commit using 'make manifest'
21:35 kungfuftr being updated too much iirc
21:37 Darren_Duncan since Autrijus may get up and do his thing at any time, I am meanwhile doing smaller commits less often, to lessen risk
21:37 jabbot pugs - 1208 - large Locale::KeyedText documentation up
21:37 Darren_Duncan more often I mean
21:37 kungfuftr yar, i think he's off to bed now
21:38 Darren_Duncan yes
21:38 Darren_Duncan its early morning in Taiwan right now
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22:47 autrijus er.
22:47 autrijus don't do a interim MANIFEST. :)
22:47 autrijus I can gen one locally.
22:48 autrijus btw, hi.
22:48 kungfuftr np
22:48 kungfuftr noticed wasn't in svn anymore, so didn't
22:49 autrijus :)
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22:50 * kungfuftr can be sensible at time
22:50 Darren_Duncan hello Autrijus!
22:50 kungfuftr autrijus: go to bed!
22:50 Darren_Duncan question: in how many hours is the cut-off for getting /modules stuff into 6.0.13?
22:50 Darren_Duncan didn't he just get up?
22:50 kungfuftr autrijus: btw, is there anything in place for .xs stuff at the moment
22:51 kungfuftr Darren_Duncan: 4 hrs sleep does not count
22:51 autrijus Darren_Duncan: I don't know, how many you need?
22:52 Darren_Duncan as many as I can get ... or I suppose 3-4 hours
22:52 autrijus that's fine.
22:52 autrijus it's 7am here.
22:52 autrijus I'll do release at noon.
22:52 Darren_Duncan I can give new estimates as time goes by
22:52 autrijus sounds like a plan?
22:52 Darren_Duncan sounds ok so far
22:52 Darren_Duncan I'll let you know closer to that if I'm running short of time
22:52 autrijus I need to do interpretation and my real talk afternoon
22:53 autrijus sure =)
22:53 autrijus will you be committing new files so I need to regen manifest?
22:53 Darren_Duncan meanwhile, I'm doing smaller commits more often, to reduce risk
22:53 kungfuftr Darren_Duncan: what platform you running on?
22:54 Darren_Duncan I'm on Mac OS X 10.3.8 currently, 10.4 when it comes out
22:54 autrijus k, cool!
22:54 Darren_Duncan rumors say mid-April
22:54 kungfuftr Darren_Duncan: can you update the end of the topic line?
22:55 Darren_Duncan I never tried to do that ... can a non-admin do it?
22:55 autrijus all can.
22:55 kungfuftr yup
22:55 kungfuftr there's no +t on the channel
22:55 Darren_Duncan I'm using the Colloquay client
22:55 Darren_Duncan quy
22:55 kungfuftr Darren_Duncan: you can paste in chan, someone else will update
22:55 Darren_Duncan I'll explore the menus in case there's something about the topic line
22:56 Darren_Duncan is there something you want me to put in the topic line for you?
22:56 kungfuftr autrijus: an .xs stuff at all? or easy was to port .xs based modules?
22:56 kungfuftr Darren_Duncan: MacOSX:r1197(105/3116)
22:57 kungfuftr <platform>:<revision>(<failed>/<total>)
22:57 Darren_Duncan do you want me to try a rebuild?
22:57 kungfuftr yar, from latest revision (1208)
22:57 Darren_Duncan wait a few minutes
22:58 kungfuftr np
22:58 Darren_Duncan starting 'make' now ...
23:04 Darren_Duncan starting 'make test' now
23:04 autrijus kungfuftr: there will be inline support for C real soon
23:04 autrijus External/C.hs
23:05 kungfuftr autrijus: nice
23:05 kungfuftr autrijus: anyone thought of tackling a DBI port?
23:06 kungfuftr bollocks... bigger than I initially though... hhhmmm...
23:06 autrijus er, port DBI::PurePerl
23:06 autrijus that's all you need
23:07 kungfuftr ah
23:07 Darren_Duncan makes sense to me
23:08 Darren_Duncan make test is still running ... fyi, I'm still on GHC 6.2, not 6.4, if that matters
23:08 kungfuftr autrijus: ah! thanks, will have a peek in the morning
23:08 autrijus Darren_Duncan: that's good.
23:08 autrijus although if you go up to GHC 6.4
23:08 autrijus you'll have a much quicker test turnaround :)
23:09 kungfuftr autrijus: ghc 6.4 in ports yet?
23:09 Darren_Duncan because its faster, or it skips more tests?
23:10 pjcj autrijus: Would I be right in thinking that if I were to walk the AST and hook into reduce I would be able to produce a p6 coverage tool?
23:10 pjcj Or maybe there's a better way?
23:12 autrijus kungfuftr: yup
23:12 * kungfuftr has another peek
23:13 autrijus pjcj: yes and yes.
23:13 autrijus pjcj: if you outline the things you need
23:13 autrijus then I can probably add hooks for you ast part of my Eval.hs refactoring
23:13 autrijus in a way that doesn't hurt any performance if not used.
23:13 autrijus send to p6c :)
23:14 Darren_Duncan okay, there is good news and bad news re make test
23:14 pjcj OK, I'll do that.  When are you doing the refactoring?  ie, do I need to do it now?
23:14 autrijus no, today is 6.0.13
23:14 autrijus refactoring is next week
23:14 autrijus then 6.0.14
23:14 autrijus and may or may not be a 6.0.15
23:14 Darren_Duncan good news is, 'All tests successful, files=144, tests=3198'
23:14 autrijus then 6.2.0.
23:14 pjcj OK, I'll have a think and send off some mail tomorrow then.
23:14 autrijus danke
23:14 autrijus happy thunking
23:15 pjcj but first, sleep, I think
23:15 Darren_Duncan then it appeared to try running another test suite and died
23:15 Darren_Duncan citing file "t/1-basic.t"
23:15 Darren_Duncan will pastebot it
23:17 pasteling "Darren_Duncan" at 24.108.164.7 pasted "result of 'make test' on Mac OS X -- good news, bad news" (15 lines, 1.2K) at http://sial.org/pbot/8656
23:17 kungfuftr Darren_Duncan: i assume it's a test for ext/Test/t/1-basic.t
23:17 autrijus ingy will be around soon.
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23:18 autrijus is the "make install" overwriting perl5's Test.pm bug fixed?
23:18 autrijus I'll check both with him.
23:18 kungfuftr it's because pugs isn't installed in that path
23:18 autrijus it shouldn't need to.
23:19 autrijus it should respect HARNESS_PERL
23:19 Darren_Duncan kungfuftr, probably, and I pasted the details anyway
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23:19 Darren_Duncan anyway, because of the death, I didn't get any (N/M) result
23:19 kungfuftr autrijus: i get similar here
23:20 kcwu after make clean, src/External/Haskell/*.o havn't be removed ..
23:20 Darren_Duncan Note that I did the initial Makefile with the system Perl 5.8.1 but that should be acceptable
23:20 Darren_Duncan Although I did get a "Warning: prerequisite ExtUtils::MakeMaker 6.15 not found. We have 6.12."
23:21 autrijus Darren_Duncan: try svn up and again
23:21 Darren_Duncan okay
23:22 Darren_Duncan now doing 'make' again
23:22 * kungfuftr does the same
23:22 Darren_Duncan now 'make test' again
23:23 autrijus kcwu: fixed.
23:23 autrijus r1210
23:23 elmex perl6 is dead
23:23 obra long live perl6
23:23 kungfuftr elmex: no no, it'll be here by christmas
23:24 elmex i don't belive in miracles
23:24 Darren_Duncan I'm on 1209; should I kill the test and up again?
23:24 * obra wrote a perl6 script last week
23:24 autrijus you don't need to believe when you can actually know.
23:24 autrijus Darren_Duncan: no need to
23:24 Darren_Duncan ok
23:24 * obra has no faith.
23:24 * obra has something better
23:25 kungfuftr obra: leet hacker perl skills?
23:25 autrijus prescient ability?
23:25 obra visible proof
23:25 * obra waves at his proof
23:25 kungfuftr obra: tatoo of a camel?
23:26 * autrijus particles back
23:27 jabbot pugs - 1210 - * kcwu reported that we should clean src
23:27 jabbot pugs - 1209 - * attempt a fix at the make test bug dar
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23:27 kcwu does make tags works for you? i got "hasktags: src: openFile: inappropriate type (is a directory)"
23:28 autrijus kcwu: fix please :)
23:29 kcwu autrijus: ok, just make sure it's not my own problem :)
23:31 Darren_Duncan autrijus, it now has no errors and says all tests successful
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23:35 kcwu err, seems that vim doesn't like tags file generated by hasktags :(
23:37 jabbot pugs - 1212 - hasktags only likes files, not directory
23:37 jabbot pugs - 1211 - minor LKT 5v1.03 sync update, ignorable
23:42 stevan autrijus: any way to make split support regexp quickly?
23:44 kungfuftr stevan: you can do split with pure perl5 regexes
23:45 stevan kungfuftr: how :)
23:46 kungfuftr stevan: my @foo = $string =~ /<insert voodoo regex here>/;
23:46 stevan :)
23:47 jabbot pugs - 1213 - * tags file should depend on source file
23:47 stevan ok, hopefully I can make the regexp Voodoo work in pugs :)
23:47 kungfuftr it requires doing some zero lookahead assertion and use of the g modifier
23:47 stevan kungfuftr: my regexp fu is only so-so
23:48 stevan I am trying to do this: split /([A-Z]<\s+|[A-Z]<|\s+>|>)/, $text
23:49 stevan any thoughts on how to convert it?
23:49 kungfuftr 2 secs, i'll have a think
23:49 stevan cool
23:49 kungfuftr stevan: can you give me a copy of the text?
23:50 stevan yeah
23:50 stevan perlbot nopaste
23:50 perlbot Paste your code here and #<channel> will be able to view it: http://sial.org/pbot/<channel>
23:50 pasteling "stevan" at 67.186.136.119 pasted "split -> to -> //g" (10 lines, 328B) at http://sial.org/pbot/8658
23:52 stevan kungfuftr: BTW - I am doing it in perl5 right now
23:52 stevan to make sure my logic is right
23:53 kungfuftr yar, will do same here

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