Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2005-06-25

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00:00 castaway luckily he couldnt see me from there ;)
00:00 * castaway has plenty of pics of herself ,)
00:00 Odin-LAP Poor thing.
00:01 * Odin-LAP has too many.
00:03 Darren_Duncan castaway, what's your name?  I can't find "castaway" in the AUTHORS
00:04 Darren_Duncan ditto Odin-LAP; I can't find that in the AUTHORS; your name?
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00:05 Odin-LAP Not present. :>
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00:05 theorbtwo DD: she should write something, so she can go in AUTHORS in good faith.
00:05 Limbic_Region_ is now known as Limbic_Region
00:05 Darren_Duncan sure
00:06 theorbtwo Jess Robinson   (CASTAWAY)
00:06 Darren_Duncan I half-assume that everyone on this channel has or will contribute something
00:06 norstar2 Greetings
00:06 Darren_Duncan maybe to clear things up we should have a separate file of people on #perl6 that aren't yet qualified to be in AUTHORS
00:07 theorbtwo Oh, nope, Jess "castaway" Robinson    (JROBINSON)  
00:07 theorbtwo DISTUNIGUISHEDLURKERS
00:07 norstar2 Darren, are you a Perl 6 programmer?
00:07 Darren_Duncan yes
00:07 norstar2 Do you work on Pugs?
00:07 Darren_Duncan my main contribution to Pugs is in writing Perl 6
00:08 * castaway is not present in AUTHORS
00:08 Darren_Duncan both attempting to make Perl 6 modules run on it, and writing tests
00:08 Limbic_Region theorbtwo - have all the glitches that got exposed after your patch (or the majority of them anyway) get fixed?
00:08 theorbtwo Yes, but if you were, that would be your entry.
00:08 Darren_Duncan I'm not a Lambda
00:08 castaway distinguished?
00:08 theorbtwo Limbic: I think so.
00:08 Limbic_Region I am back to using svk and am going to attempt latest pugs to file some bug reports against
00:09 Darren_Duncan sometimes also participating in this channel and p6l about what the langauge should look like and/or having it clarified
00:09 * theorbtwo so needs a better laptop.
00:09 castaway Darren, why were you looking? ;)
00:09 Darren_Duncan sometimes knowing a person's real name can tell a bit more about them
00:10 Darren_Duncan online handles are so un-descriptive
00:10 theorbtwo Depends on the handle, and the name.
00:10 Darren_Duncan sure
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00:10 theorbtwo Real names really tell you more about a person's parents.
00:10 Darren_Duncan when I say 'handle', I mean those that don't resemble real names
00:10 Odin-LAP And the person in question!
00:10 Darren_Duncan I always use my real name on the internet and never made an alias
00:11 Odin-LAP theorbtwo: Oooh, like patronymics? ;p
00:11 theorbtwo "theorbtwo" tells you that I' the sort of person who would name himself theorbtwo.
00:11 castaway hmm, what do real names tell you, if anything?
00:11 castaway (it can give an idea as to nationality etc, but apart from that?)
00:11 Odin-LAP Darren_Duncan: Here's the question: Aren't handles *more* descriptive, since they tend to be self-chosen?
00:11 Darren_Duncan they can often tell you a person's gender and culture, sometimes age too
00:12 Darren_Duncan depends what one wants to know I suppose
00:12 castaway interesting, so which am I of those? ;)
00:12 Odin-LAP Indeed.
00:12 theorbtwo "James Mastros" just tells you that my parents are the sort of people that would name me "James Mastros".
00:12 castaway (not tha theorbtwo didnt already give one away)
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00:12 Darren_Duncan you explicitly said you were a female earlier
00:12 Darren_Duncan in your comment about having too many pictures
00:13 castaway hmm, so I did.. ,)
00:13 Odin-LAP "Whoops."
00:13 Odin-LAP ;)
00:13 geoffb Perhaps a better question is, "Why is your nick <foo>?"  That would probably tell you the most, assuming they answered honestly
00:13 Darren_Duncan to be honest, given just a handle, I have to assume that everyone here is a male until I know otherwise, given that is likely the majority
00:13 castaway geoffb:  I dunno, there are so many reasons
00:13 castaway fine by me
00:13 Odin-LAP Darren_Duncan: Ooooh. Let's just hope you don't run into any extreme feminists. ;)
00:14 geoffb castaway, shoot . . . (see, now this already sounds interesting)
00:14 theorbtwo (Even that tells you a lot... like it's not "No purticular reason".)
00:14 castaway I even get that when people know my name
00:14 Darren_Duncan when I say "assume", I mean "image in the head associated with the handle"
00:14 castaway geoffb:  nope, waiting for Darren to guess first ,)
00:14 castaway (since it probably gives another one away ,)
00:14 Darren_Duncan I don't actually tell people someone is one or the other since I don't spread misinformation on purpose
00:15 Darren_Duncan who wants me to guess what?
00:15 * theorbtwo doesn't have to worry too much about spreading misinformation on castaway.
00:15 castaway culture and age.. mine that is
00:16 * castaway notes as an aside, that she currently cant tell who is emoting what, since it comes up white on white ,)
00:16 geoffb OK, going with the probabilities -- white, late 20's to early 40's
00:17 Darren_Duncan notes as an aside that I explicitly turned those stupid yellow ball smiley graphics off on my client because I abhor them
00:17 castaway geoffb: is your nick Darren? ;)
00:17 castaway Darren, me too
00:17 geoffb castaway, heh
00:18 Limbic_Region bah - now pugs fails to build
00:18 Limbic_Region grrrrrrr
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00:18 Darren_Duncan castaway, the name Jess Robinson suggests someone from a European-style culture, in answer to your question
00:19 Darren_Duncan as for sex, its hard to tell because at least half the names out there can be applied to one of either kind; wouldn't know if you hadn't said
00:20 Odin-LAP European-style? English-speaking, moreover!
00:20 castaway lucky for you that happens to be correct
00:20 castaway (yeah "European" is anyone of many many cultures)
00:20 Darren_Duncan by contrast, some names stand out as being middle-eastern or asian etc
00:20 castaway otoh that places you firmly on the NA continent, Darren ,)
00:21 Darren_Duncan suffice it to say, I only said a real name helps "a little more"
00:21 castaway (I find one can get a lot more from incidental conversation than names)
00:21 castaway and ges?
00:21 Darren_Duncan certainly, but that takes time
00:21 theorbtwo Limbic_Region, fails how?
00:21 castaway sure, I was just curious
00:21 Limbic_Region perlbot nopaste
00:21 perlbot Paste your code here and #<channel> will be able to view it: http://sial.org/pbot/<channel>
00:21 Darren_Duncan to be honest, I have a poor memory for people, that aside from a small handful, I won't remember in an hour who said what here
00:22 pasteling "Limbic_Region" at 24.35.57.240 pasted "like this" (37 lines, 2.6K) at http://sial.org/pbot/11330
00:22 Darren_Duncan same in real life, difficulty with names and faces
00:22 theorbtwo Likewise, DD.
00:22 Darren_Duncan my memory is a lot better with spacial or mathematical things
00:22 theorbtwo Whee.
00:23 theorbtwo No clue what would caluse that.
00:23 castaway oops, I meant "and age" back there
00:23 theorbtwo cause that.
00:23 Darren_Duncan eg, after I go to OSCON this year, I should be able to draw a map of the conference center from memory several years later
00:23 Darren_Duncan example of spacial that was
00:24 Limbic_Region so it is bombing out on Prelude.hs on a fresh checkout
00:25 Limbic_Region fresh as in I reformatted the harddrive
00:25 Darren_Duncan so, out of those talking here right now (last 10-20 mins), who's going to OSCON 2005?
00:25 theorbtwo What does your Prelude.hs contain?
00:25 * castaway nudges theorbtwo
00:25 castaway (query window)
00:25 * theorbtwo wonders why he's being nudged?
00:25 castaway thats pretty drastic, Limbic ,)
00:26 Darren_Duncan separate question: what do you do in your IRC client to change the appearance of your handle in posts when you are self-describing
00:27 Darren_Duncan (my client shows a bullet to the left of the handle)
00:27 Limbic_Region castaway - I didn't really format it - but for all intents and purposes that partition was wiped
00:28 geoffb Darren_Duncan, do you mean '/me does foo'?
00:28 Darren_Duncan lets test that theory ...
00:28 * Darren_Duncan testing a theory
00:28 Darren_Duncan that seems to have done it
00:28 Darren_Duncan thanks
00:28 geoffb sure
00:28 Limbic_Region theorbtwo - I have two - different sizes
00:28 Limbic_Region you want the one that was bombing out obviously
00:28 Darren_Duncan now I just have to remember for next time
00:28 Limbic_Region silly me
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00:29 Darren_Duncan original question: is anyone here going to OSCON 2005?
00:30 pasteling "Limbic_Region" at 24.35.57.240 pasted "Prelude.hs" (27 lines, 3.1K) at http://sial.org/pbot/11331
00:30 castaway not me, Darren
00:30 theorbtwo OK, if it's 27 lines, it's probably riht.
00:31 Darren_Duncan I'm hoping I'll like it ... especially given the CDN$2200 or so I'll be spending to go
00:31 Limbic_Region it is 27 lines
00:31 Limbic_Region and blowing up perfectly
00:32 Darren_Duncan now away from comp for a bit
00:32 castaway geoffb: my favourite song at the time was "Message in a Bottle", btw (and it seemed to fit some too)
00:32 castaway my .plan was/is the chorus from that song
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00:34 castaway *nudge*
00:37 * Odin-LAP plants a ten kilogram nugget of plutonium wrapped in primed HE in the middle of the channel.
00:37 Odin-LAP s/nugget/sphere/ # perhaps..?
00:38 castaway (so either he is in Canada, or OSCON is.. and since thats in Portland..)
00:38 Darren_Duncan YAPC::NA is in Canada, OSCON isn't
00:38 castaway and you?
00:38 * Limbic_Region is taking his recent troubles even getting pugs to run as a sign and decides to call it a weekend
00:39 * castaway hugs Lim
00:39 castaway oops
00:39 Darren_Duncan if you're asking me, I'm at home in BC, Canada
00:39 Limbic_Region when are you and your better half coming back castorbaway?
00:39 * castaway hugs Limbic_Region
00:39 * Limbic_Region hugs back
00:39 theorbtwo To Lancaster, tomorrow.
00:39 castaway back to PA, tomorrow
00:39 * castaway ponders who was the better half, and who the asked, there ,)
00:39 Limbic_Region ok - what dates were you looking at possibly getting together?
00:40 castaway anytime between Sun and Thurs
00:40 * Odin-LAP wonders why nobody's scared of the fat man.
00:40 Limbic_Region Odin-LAP - I am both fat and scary
00:40 castaway afaik we're planned thurs afternoon/evening and flying back to munich fri
00:41 * Odin-LAP triggers the nuke.
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00:49 castaway nuffin! ,)
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00:53 nothingmuch huh?
00:54 castaway wot?
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01:01 castaway (an IRC proxt would certainly be useful here)
01:01 castaway proxy even
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01:19 azuroth hey
01:20 azuroth is the parrot cvs borken? is this the right place to ask?
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01:54 theorbtw1 az: No, ask on irc.perl.org/#parrot.
01:55 azuroth ahh, okay
01:55 azuroth thanks
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02:24 * geoffb is bak
02:24 geoffb Did you ask me something, castaway?
02:25 geoffb I saw the Message in a Bottle comment . . . and yep, that says a lot.  :-)
02:25 castaway nope
02:25 castaway makes guessing the era easy, no?
02:25 geoffb yep
02:26 * castaway mumbles at Perl/Everything
02:27 geoffb Do they answer back?
02:27 castaway fraid not
02:28 geoffb damn shame.  Be interesting to hear what they had to say
02:28 castaway I'm not sure it would, y'know ,)
02:28 * geoffb does `svk pull` again and hopes for the best . . . "And this time, with FEELING."
02:29 geoffb A nice cryptic answer perhaps -- " Y - E - S "
02:30 castaway so very prologish
02:30 * geoffb imagines the monks receiving Deep Thought's answer from the BBC HGTTG
02:31 castaway s:)
02:37 geoffb What does the s indicate?  Hairstyle?
02:37 * geoffb never became an emoticon expert . . . which is perhaps a good thing
02:38 geoffb Bah, OF still down.  *sigh*.
02:39 Darren_Duncan Autrijus' journal is up, seemingly a half hour ago
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03:25 castaway sorry, the s was left over from typing something in another channel, I wondered where it went to ,)
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06:52 * mugwump notes that http://lists.utsl.gen.nz/pipermail/pugs-commits/2005-June.txt makes a nice patch file
06:58 arcady that's just too convenient...
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08:29 Alias_ Hi folks, how's the hackathon going?
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08:51 Juerd autrijus: In your journal, where you say "chomped part", don't you mean "what's left after chomping"?
08:51 Juerd autrijus: I'd think the "chomped part" would be the "\n" part
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10:37 * pdcawley_ reads autrijus's latest journal entry and applauds wildly. Go larry1
10:37 pdcawley_ s/1/!/
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12:05 cognominal can you access svn.openfoundry.org?
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12:10 meppl no
12:11 meppl but the mirror  http://svn.perl.org/perl6/pugs/  is online
12:12 nothingmuch_ Juerd: autochomping behavior will cause the FH to return a subclass of String
12:13 nothingmuch_ but otherwise $foo behaves like a normal string, that is missing the EOL marker
12:13 nothingmuch_ like ChompedInput or something like that
12:13 nothingmuch_ and then you can say $foo.newline to get back the part that was chomped off
12:13 nothingmuch_ and you can make a filehandle return an unchomped, nonmagical string by passing it an adverb
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14:36 Limbic_Region am I the only one that Pugs is blowing up for on Win32?
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16:48 steveq Are there problems with the svn server?
16:48 Khisanth it's probably still down
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18:37 nothingmuch Algorithm::Dependency::Objects released
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18:46 autrijus rehi \camels!
18:47 autrijus <- still relenging and waiting for stevan to resume the metamodel work
18:48 * coral gets out the pom-poms
18:49 coral are you in yapc land now?
18:49 autrijus I'm in the hackathon
18:49 autrijus day #3 already
18:50 autrijus i.e. final day here
18:50 mugwump hi, I've got Date tests behaving
18:51 mugwump I'll be able to commit tomorow sometime...
18:54 autrijus ooh.
18:56 autrijus luqui: are you checking in your PIL metamodel work somewhere?
19:00 * mugwump & # sleep after long party :)
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19:13 nothingmuch autrijus: i've thought a bit about metamodels... want to talk?
19:13 nothingmuch meet me outside
19:13 nothingmuch if yes
19:14 autrijus outside meet if metamodel talk then
19:15 nothingmuch yes, but not forth metamodels
19:15 nothingmuch give me 10 mins
19:15 nothingmuch we're doing releng
19:15 autrijus ok.
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20:01 Juerd nothingmuch: I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I think it's not what I meant :)
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20:07 nothingmuch Juerd: huh?
20:07 nothingmuch about Junction|Any?
20:15 autrijus nothingmuch: how's releng and things?
20:15 nothingmuch uh, fine
20:15 nothingmuch want to do MM?
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20:38 nothingmuch verby is released
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