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| 00:00 |
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chromatic |
PUSHMARK |
| 00:00 |
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* chromatic |
wishes for reliable and complete global destruction. |
| 00:01 |
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chromatic |
PUTBACK |
| 00:01 |
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clkao |
no! |
| 00:01 |
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clkao |
no perlguts here pllease |
| 00:01 |
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Odin-LAP |
chromatic: The U.S. or Russia should be able to give you one... |
| 00:01 |
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chromatic |
How else should I put something on Autrijus' stack? |
| 00:01 |
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* Odin-LAP |
wonders how powerful an explosion it would take to destabilise the orbit... |
| 00:02 |
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clkao |
svk push |
| 00:02 |
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chromatic |
According to Futurama, the output from every robot in the world in the year 3002. |
| 00:02 |
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chromatic |
Svk knows a bit about p5guts too. |
| 00:02 |
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clkao |
no that's svn::core. svk is pure perl |
| 00:04 |
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chromatic |
Synecdoche. |
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nothingmuch |
good night gay camels |
| 00:17 |
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mugwump |
:D |
| 00:17 |
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nothingmuch |
(to disambiguate: http://lambda.org/) |
| 00:18 |
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obra |
:) |
| 00:18 |
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nothingmuch |
http://lambda.org/Flag-Rainbow_banner_1.gif |
| 00:18 |
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nothingmuch |
mply, the Greek letter "L" stands for "liberation." |
| 00:18 |
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nothingmuch |
check |
| 00:18 |
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nothingmuch |
s/^/Si/ |
| 00:19 |
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nothingmuch |
The Greek Spartans believed that the lambda represented unity. - unity of haskell and perl - check |
| 00:19 |
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nothingmuch |
\The Romans took it as meaning "the light of knowledge shining into the darkness of ignorance." |
| 00:19 |
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nothingmuch |
wow, that's good stuff |
| 00:19 |
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nothingmuch |
haskell makes me feel that way |
| 00:19 |
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nothingmuch |
check |
| 00:19 |
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nothingmuch |
(i'm going through http://lambda.org/symbols.htm, btw) |
| 00:20 |
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nothingmuch |
The charged energy of the gay movement. This stems from the lambda's use in chemistry and physics to denote energy in equations. |
| 00:20 |
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nothingmuch |
well, s/gay/pugs/; check |
| 00:20 |
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nothingmuch |
The synergy which results when gays and lesbians work together towards a common goal (a gestalt theory which also stems from the physics-energy theory) .. s/gays,lesbians/perl people, haskell people/; check |
| 00:21 |
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* mugwump |
is reminded at this point of the "Never be rude to an Arab" skit |
| 00:21 |
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nothingmuch |
okay, i'll stop now, because these are getting long |
| 00:22 |
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nothingmuch |
interesting... http://lambda.org/Gensymb-Mbi_Fbi.gif |
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svnbot6 |
r5610, putter++ | Refactoring of perl5/PIL-Run/crude_repl. Pulled out PIL::ReadToStr1, and PIL::Run::{MainX,EvalX}. |
| 01:30 |
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autrijus |
greetings. |
| 01:32 |
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* autrijus |
looks at even more in-method for/given threads on p6l. |
| 01:32 |
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autrijus |
we will be for/given. ;) |
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mugwump |
morning autrijus, back to regular time I see |
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mugwump |
hi stevan |
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* mugwump |
realises he is probably talking to an auto-reconnect |
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putter |
cheerio. |
| 01:51 |
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mugwump |
you just arrive and are already saying goodbye? |
| 01:54 |
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putter |
just arrive. ;) |
| 01:54 |
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svnbot6 |
r5611, putter++ | p5 runtime now uses placeholder objects PIL::Run::Type::{Object,Str,Rat,Int}. |
| 01:54 |
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svnbot6 |
r5612, putter++ | ... and here are PIL::Run::Type::{Object,Str,Rat,Int}. |
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putter |
Oooo, here is an idea. (Thinking about some of the questions earlier in the day.) People who ask questions, have to add them to a QuestionsAsked list, perhaps on the wiki. Answers can be cut and pasted there. That way we accumulate answered questions. |
| 02:14 |
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QtPlatypus |
putter: Great idea. |
| 02:19 |
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QtPlatypus |
Going with the current religious theam we should call it a Catechism (An elementry book containing a summary, in the form of questions and answers) |
| 02:24 |
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putter |
:) |
| 02:25 |
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autrijus |
note that all pugs apocryphons are declared to be in catechism format :) |
| 02:25 |
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autrijus |
catechism++ |
| 02:26 |
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* autrijus |
syncs up and reads putter's work |
| 02:27 |
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autrijus |
euro oscon schedule up... I now understand why none of perl6 talks made it |
| 02:28 |
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autrijus |
and why all my tutorials are downcasted into sessions |
| 02:28 |
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obra |
oh? |
| 02:29 |
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autrijus |
because there's only 8 tutorials that suggests a strong lab-like format |
| 02:29 |
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obra |
ah. |
| 02:29 |
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autrijus |
and the talks are 100% biased toward practical utility |
| 02:29 |
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autrijus |
which is actually a good thing |
| 02:30 |
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obra |
They probably need to be to make the conference seem reasonable for attendees |
| 02:30 |
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autrijus |
right |
| 02:30 |
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autrijus |
at least my whimsical, why-the-lucky-stiff-influenced "Learning Haskell" talk made it. |
| 02:30 |
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autrijus |
# http://conferences.oreillynet.[…]/view/e_sess/7231 |
| 02:35 |
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obra |
Nice |
| 02:35 |
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obra |
Sad I won't get to see it |
| 02:35 |
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autrijus |
*nod* |
| 02:37 |
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putter |
autrijus: now r5613. |
| 02:37 |
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autrijus |
roger. |
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svnbot6 |
r5613, putter++ | Added PIL/Run/Type/Sub.pm, and changed name mangling. |
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autrijus |
putter: color me impressed :) |
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* autrijus |
lunch... will read up some more & |
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putter |
thanks. :) |
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wolverian |
is there a syntax to check the parameter of a role at runtime? that is, role Foo[$bar] { } class Baz does Foo[Quux] { } my $o = Baz.new; # how to check what $bar is? |
| 03:43 |
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svnbot6 |
r5614, putter++ | Added perl5/PIL-Run/TODO, which suggests ways you can help develop the p5 runtime. |
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putter |
? |
| 03:45 |
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wolverian |
is that directed at me? |
| 03:45 |
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wolverian |
:) |
| 03:46 |
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putter |
Yes. I don't recall one from the docs. But it may have been mentioned at the hackathon. Don't know. |
| 03:46 |
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wolverian |
okay, thanks. |
| 03:46 |
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wolverian |
just wondering, it's not critical. I can always handwave for the time being :) |
| 03:47 |
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wolverian |
(just that the functionality itself is important. the syntax isn't as much.) |
| 03:47 |
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putter |
:) true. |
| 03:49 |
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putter |
ok, end of day for me. I likely won't be around tomorrow(US). |
| 03:50 |
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wolverian |
bye! |
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putter |
perl5/PIL-Run/TODO has several suggestions of things people could do to help with the p5 runtime. Several require only basic perl5 skill. Help! :) Thank you. :) |
| 03:52 |
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stevan |
putter++ # braving the p5 runtime :) |
| 03:52 |
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putter |
wolverian: bye. I think is going to be one of those stop for a snack and wander around, slow exits... |
| 03:53 |
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putter |
:) |
| 03:53 |
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wolverian |
putter, okay. :) have fun. |
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putter |
stevan: I looked at (some of?) the SELF stuff. neat! I'm afraid I still dont have enough of a clue about the mm to say anything useful. sorry. rsn I hope... |
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stevan |
putter: the SELF stuff is actually in flux now |
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stevan |
I am trying to fix the submethod handling |
| 03:56 |
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stevan |
which means I need to implement "next METHOD" |
| 03:56 |
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stevan |
which is not that easy given the way the dispatcher currently is structured |
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putter |
ah. |
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stevan |
putter: mm stuff is not as hard as it looks :) |
| 03:57 |
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stevan |
the files are just getting a little cluttered |
| 03:57 |
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stevan |
time for a refactoring :) |
| 03:58 |
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stevan |
basically what I am saying, dont mistake my messiness for complexity :) |
| 03:58 |
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putter |
The runtime is currently using strawman PIL/Run/Type/Mumble.pm classes. Object,Sub,Str,Int,Rat. They could be the start of connecting the runtime stuff to the mm? |
| 03:59 |
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putter |
ok. :) wont. there is always Fiter::Simple. :) |
| 04:00 |
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* putter |
is a great believer in declaritive programming using runtime code generation. |
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svnbot6 |
r5615, mugwump++ | Add basic prompting via Scriptalicious ;) |
| 04:00 |
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mugwump |
s/prompting/readline prompting/ |
| 04:01 |
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mugwump |
bah, there are debug output messages in the release scriptalicious. doh! |
| 04:02 |
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putter |
I just had to google that. "Scriptalicious". Interesting module... |
| 04:04 |
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putter |
Who knows, maybe p6 will put an end to the so long search for good command line argument handling. |
| 04:04 |
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putter |
Yeah, right. And create world peace too. ;) |
| 04:04 |
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mugwump |
Well, Scriptalicious doesn't do much beyond Getopt::Long |
| 04:04 |
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mugwump |
all it does is add -h, -v, etc standard options |
| 04:04 |
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mugwump |
(and make them work ;)) |
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putter |
:) |
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stevan |
putter: what time zone are you in? |
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svnbot6 |
r5616, mugwump++ | Add version requirement for Scriptalicious, un-TODO |
| 04:05 |
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stevan |
you always seem to be up around now |
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putter |
EST (EDT?) |
| 04:05 |
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putter |
EDT |
| 04:05 |
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stevan |
ah |
| 04:05 |
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stevan |
me too |
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stevan |
you are up late :) |
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putter |
yeah. good reminder. long day tomorrow. |
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putter |
goodnight all :) & |
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wolverian |
hey, is there a difference between 'role Foo does Bar does Baz;' and 'subtype Foo of Bar where { .does(Baz) }'? |
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mugwump |
sure. the latter won't be directly instantiable, I think |
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mugwump |
You'd need to have another class that .does(Bar) and .does(Baz) for it to match .does(Foo) |
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wolverian |
er, are roles instantiable? |
| 04:34 |
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wolverian |
oh, you mean a class can't then 'does Foo', in the latter case? |
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mugwump |
well, they create an anonymous class. What I mean by that statement is that there's nothing to tell the interpreter how to correctly Foo.new |
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wolverian |
hrm. right. so they can't be composed, only used in type checking? |
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mugwump |
You can't invert the where clause into a constructor |
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mugwump |
it might be arbitrarily complex |
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wolverian |
hmm, S12 says you can declare with subtypes |
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wolverian |
so maybe I'm just confused about what you're trying to say |
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mugwump |
well, how do you go from 'where { .does(Baz) }' to 'Foo does Baz' ? |
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wolverian |
they're both constraints on what can be contained in the container, right? |
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mugwump |
no, the where { } is a constraint, the does { } imports the role |
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wolverian |
hmm, right |
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mugwump |
er, s/does { }/does/ :) |
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wolverian |
if you want to see the actual example |
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wolverian |
I'm trying to decide between |
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wolverian |
role Slave does Belong is Species { } and subtype Slave of Species where { .does(Belong) } |
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wolverian |
(where the role Belong implements an interface for things that have an owner) |
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wolverian |
does that make any sense to you at all? :) |
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wolverian |
(and yes, this is a game.) |
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mugwump |
I think the latter would make .does(Slave) work on Species objects if they .does(Belong) |
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svnbot6 |
r5617, masak++ | Fixed quotes in t/statements/given.t, marked as TODO. |
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mugwump |
Roles can't "is", either |
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mugwump |
perhaps "Roles aren't, they do" |
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wolverian |
oh. hmm. well, that's a kind of a kludge because 'does Species' doesn't work from an English perspective |
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wolverian |
so I used a class instead. which is just a desire for it to be linguistically clean, I guess |
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wolverian |
I should think about semantics more :) |
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wolverian |
s,think,worry, |
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stevan |
Roles can "is" IIRC |
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mugwump |
oh, actually I tell a lie - roles can "is", but it ends up flattening into the class they are included |
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stevan |
yup |
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stevan |
it is in A12 somewhere |
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mugwump |
being "flattened" into a superclass in this case |
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wolverian |
just like when they 'does' another role? |
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stevan |
to be honest, I think that is just down right silly |
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wolverian |
oh, the superclass gets the role? |
| 04:46 |
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wolverian |
that's weird. |
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mugwump |
no, it gets added into the class' superclasses as if IT did the "is Whatever" |
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wolverian |
can you show a short code example? |
| 04:47 |
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wolverian |
I'm being dense. haven't slept all night. :) |
| 04:47 |
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wolverian |
(looking in A12) |
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mugwump |
see S12/A role is allowed to declare an additional inheritance |
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wolverian |
you mean Encapsulated inheritance? |
| 04:49 |
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wolverian |
oh, sorry, I'm in A12 |
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wolverian |
hmm. role Foo is Bar { } class Baz does Foo { } Baz.isa(Bar); Foo.isa(Bar); Bar.isa(Foo); # true, false, false? |
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wolverian |
er, s,isa,does, |
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wolverian |
that's how I read it, anyway, and it makes sense to me. |
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mugwump |
Foo.isa(Bar) would probably be an error imho, Foo is a Role not a class |
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* mugwump |
weekends & |
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wolverian |
mugwump, I meant Foo.does(Bar). is that an error as well? |
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wolverian |
oh, you went. thanks for the help. :) |
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gaal |
good morning. |
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wolverian |
morning. |
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gaal |
nothingmuch: you pang? |
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gaal |
autrijus, there? |
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gaal |
i want to chat a little about eval.p6: you mentioned debugger hooks in your journal, i want to see how to arrange for that kind of thing. |
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?eval "you alive, evalbot?" |
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guess not |
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wonders how one would test for lazyness? |
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Limbic_Region |
QtPlatypus - perhaps through a tied implementation |
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Limbic_Region |
one that would allow for introspection without motivating |
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* QtPlatypus |
was thinking about something simple like having a side effect in the generator. |
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QtPlatypus |
test as in "Check that lazyness is working" |
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Limbic_Region |
that might work too |
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Limbic_Region |
heizenburg's principle is hard to get around though |
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QtPlatypus |
The whole "Obsever causes the situation to change" thing? |
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Limbic_Region |
well - that's the simplified version |
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Limbic_Region |
but yeah |
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Odin- |
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle? |
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Odin- |
It's impossible to know (precisely) both the position and velocity of any particular particle at the same time... :p |
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Limbic_Region |
actually - that's only one interpretation |
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Limbic_Region |
the more you know about one is proportional to the less you know about the other |
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QtPlatypus |
I thinnk its both the position and the momentum of any perticular particle. |
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Odin- |
QtPlatypus: The momentum is dependent upon mass and velocity; you *can* know the rest mass... |
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* QtPlatypus |
nods to Odin- |
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Limbic_Region |
except for those pesky particles that only seem to have mass when they are moving ;-) |
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Odin- |
Limbic_Region: Well, their rest mass is 'zero', then, isn't it? ;p |
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Limbic_Region |
oh, has anyone seen nothingmuch? |
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Limbic_Region |
seen nothingmuch |
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jabbot |
Limbic_Region: nothingmuch was seen 12 hours 36 minutes 30 seconds ago |
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r5618, iblech++ | svnbot.p6 -- Made it possible to display branch information (i.e. leo-ctx5) and |
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r5618, iblech++ | misc. minor fixes. |
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masak |
QtPlatypus: Limbic_Region is right, the general version of the Uncertainty Principle is about limitation of accuracy of simultaneous measurement of observables in general |
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masak |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U[…]rtainty_principle |
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masak: Thanks |
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Is kwid the standard format for pugs documentation? |
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integral |
since pod and kwid are theoretically interchangeable, does there need to be one? |
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dudley |
I guess that's what I was asking |
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r5619, iblech++ | svnbot.p6 -- Option to output a separate header line for each commit, idea from coke++. |
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r5620, iblech++ | * examples/network/svnbot.p6 -- Updated svnbot's usage info. |
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svnbot6 |
r5620, iblech++ | * examples/network/README -- Noted the channels svnbot is used in. |
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r5621, fglock++ | finished Span::Code.intersection() method |
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fglock - did you ever get your lazy infinite list answer? |
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eric256 |
anyone know the pugs way of setting the char used when stringifying lists? |
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eric256 |
i can't even seem to find the right document |
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PerlJam |
eric256: use join |
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eric256 |
i would. but i'm using the flattening properties...unless i can flatten into a list and join that....like ([1..5],[1,2,3,[a,b,c]]) = (1..5,1,2,3,a,b,c) |
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f0rth |
http://www.wretch.cc/album/chining |
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f0rth |
oops.....sorry |
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eric256 |
thanks PerlJam, that got me going in the right directions |
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eric256 |
hmmm. my $test = {1 => 2}; $test.perl.say; produces {('1' => 2)} .... and if you do say ref($test) you get Array |
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eric256 |
hmmm or not... nm..something else is confusing it i guess. |
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stevan |
Limbic_Region: ping |
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eric256 |
pugs> my $test = {1 => {'2' => 3, '4' => 5}}; $test.perl.say; $test<1>.ref.say; |
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eric256 |
{('1' => ('2' => 3)), ('4 5' => undef)} |
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eric256 |
Pair |
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eric256 |
bool::true |
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pasteling |
"stevan" at 67.186.136.119 pasted "iterator for the MetaModel dispatcher (sanity test please)" (70 lines, 1.8K) at http://sial.org/pbot/11777 |
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eric256 |
am i being dumb somewhere i there? i expect $test<1>.ref to be Hash |
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stevan |
if I could get a sanity test on the metamodel dispatcher iterator thing above |
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fglock |
ping Limbic_Region |
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stevan |
it would be much appreaciated |
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stevan |
it is a depth first iterator basically |
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stevan |
oh, crap I see a problem already, but it is more with my example and less with the code |
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pasteling |
"stevan" at 67.186.136.119 pasted "fixed iterator" (72 lines, 1.9K) at http://sial.org/pbot/11778 |
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stevan |
ok, look at that one instead please |
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eric256 |
stevan - it runs and passes the tests here. not sure how much help that is for you ;) |
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stevan |
eric256: thanks, I am looking for a sanity check on the code |
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stevan |
basically it felt like it was going to be more complex |
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stevan |
then I wrote it |
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stevan |
and I was done before I knew it |
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stevan |
this will eventually replace the current dispatch mechanism in the metamodel |
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stevan |
making it into an iterator makes it resumeable |
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eric256 |
lol. yea. isn't depth first suppose to be easy like that? |
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stevan |
so things like "next METHOD" can work |
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eric256 |
cool |
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stevan |
eric256: yeah I guess it is :) |
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eric256 |
any ideas on my hash miss parse...well i think it is a miss parse.. |
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stevan |
looking now |
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stevan |
weird |
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stevan |
well $test<1>.ref makes sense to be a pair |
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stevan |
what does $test<1><2>.ref say? |
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* stevan |
does not have a copy of pugs handy |
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eric256 |
yea but look at the second run...where it lumps '4 5' as a pair with udnef |
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stevan |
yes, that part looks like a mis-parse for sure |
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stevan |
I am just wondering what it thinks the $test<1> pair is |
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stevan |
doe it think it is { 2 => 3} |
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stevan |
or something else |
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eric256 |
it thinks its ('2' => 3) if i print it useing .perl |
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stevan |
what about $test.ref? |
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eric256 |
Hash |
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stevan |
$test<1><4>.ref? |
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stevan |
we need evalbot back :) |
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eric256 |
Scalar for ref....\undef for .perl |
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stevan |
ok |
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eric256 |
did eval bot die? or is it just not running right now? |
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stevan |
yeah I think it is a misparse |
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stevan |
I have no idea |
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stevan |
I have no idea |
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eric256 |
still ;) |
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stevan |
wow it is quiet in here today |
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kolibrie |
everyone got burned out after all the discussion yesterday |
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* eric256 |
is sad |
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stevan |
kolibrie: which one? not the ./ one? |
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svnbot6 |
r5622, Stevan++ | Perl6::MetaModel - |
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svnbot6 |
r5622, Stevan++ | * fixed SELF to handle nested calls of different invocants |
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svnbot6 |
r5622, Stevan++ | - added more tests for this |
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svnbot6 |
r5622, Stevan++ | * removed the Submethods monomophic assertions |
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svnbot6 |
r5622, Stevan++ | * added Submethod tests based on discussion with $Larry |
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svnbot6 |
r5622, Stevan++ | - these tests current fail until we add CLASS and next_METHOD |
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svnbot6 |
r5622, Stevan++ | * added ->dispatcher method to MetaClass |
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svnbot6 |
r5622, Stevan++ | - added a basic test for this |
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svnbot6 |
r5622, Stevan++ | - NOTE: it is not used by anything yet, that is |
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svnbot6 |
r5622, Stevan++ | my next step :) |
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svnbot6 |
r5623, Stevan++ | removed notes to self in TODO :) |
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stevan |
eric256: cheer up, hashes are not that important :) |
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kolibrie |
stevan: that was pretty big, but the channel was just busy all day |
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stevan |
dammit, the day I decide to do $work is the good day |
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kolibrie |
so, anyone have any experience with Parse::RecDescent, and want to help me begin? |
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kolibrie |
my problem is that I only care about the middle of my document, and can't figure out how to skip the first chunk of garbage |
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eric256 |
just remove it with a regex. ;) |
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kolibrie |
so just do that first, before starting the parse? |
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eric256 |
that would be my guess yes.. |
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kolibrie |
I wanted my grammar to be able to say, skip up to this starting point |
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eric256 |
never touche Parse::* anything, but i would say the easiest solution is best |
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kolibrie |
the easiest was to write my own parser, but it is starting to stretch itself too far |
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kolibrie |
so now I have to learn "the real thing" |
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eric256 |
right but. if you just want to skip junk, then skip it the easiest way you know, |
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stevan |
kolibrie: I never used P::RD myself, but I would assume that your "start" token would be the place to start parsing |
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stevan |
that is if P::RD has a notion of a "start" token |
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PerlJam |
it does |
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* stevan |
only does simple event based (XML::SAX) parsing |
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kolibrie |
so, PerlJam, do you have a hint for me? |
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integral |
rule names map to method names on the parser object, so if your start rule is "start" you call the "start" method :-) |
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kolibrie |
I get that |
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kolibrie |
here's my simple example: |
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PerlJam |
kolibrie: no, basically you do as others have said (it's just the mechanism you use that changes) |
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kolibrie |
I want to match the string 'hello world' |
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kolibrie |
but the string I actually have is 'my hello world' |
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integral |
rule1: 'hello world' |
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kolibrie |
when I say $parser->rule1($string) |
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kolibrie |
I get no match |
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integral |
ah, rules are anchored |
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PerlJam |
kolibrie: because you need to have the "rule" that skips the stuff you don't want |
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kolibrie |
so I added a garbage: /.*/ |
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PerlJam |
you realize that * is very greedy? |
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integral |
but that then eats the whole string, since no backtracking into regexps occurs |
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integral |
maybe /\S+/ to eat one word would be appropiate? |
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kolibrie |
maybe |
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kolibrie |
ok, so that worked for 'my hello world' |
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kolibrie |
but not for 'my very special hello world' |
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integral |
myrule1: (/\S+/)* 'hello' 'world' |
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kolibrie |
Untranslatable item encountered: "*" |
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integral |
ugh, and I'm not sure that would work anyway because I can't remember P::RD's backtracking behaviour |
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PerlJam |
I'd probably make a rule just for the garbage words but that's just me |
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kolibrie |
I'm trying |
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* integral |
thinks a single regexp with full backtracking would work better |
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PerlJam |
well it'll work *faster* and if that's what you mean by "better" then sure. |
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integral |
well it'd "work" too... |
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kolibrie |
I'm just trying to get it to work at all: |
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kolibrie |
page: garbage(s?) greeting world |
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kolibrie |
greeting: ('hello' | 'greetings') |
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kolibrie |
world: /\w+/ |
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kolibrie |
garbage: /\S*/ |
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kolibrie |
no match on 'my very special hello world' |
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PerlJam |
kolibrie: er ... why are you messing with P::RD again? I'm not even working the problem even and I already want to use p6 notation |
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kolibrie |
well, I'd rather use that, but couldn't get that to work either |
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kolibrie |
PGE was dying on unknown characters, I think |
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kolibrie |
it was giving all kinds of weird errors |
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PerlJam |
then ping pmichaud hard so that he can fix it. |
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kolibrie |
I suppose so |
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kolibrie |
but still, now I'm on a mission to get this to work |
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Alias_ |
seen iblechbot |
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jabbot |
Alias_: I havn't seen iblechbot, Alias_ |
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Alias_ |
eep |
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Limbic_Region |
why eep |
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Limbic_Region |
I think jabbot only pays attention if the person says something |
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Limbic_Region |
iblechbot is a logger not a talker |
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Limbic_Region |
;-) |
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Limbic_Region |
seen iblech |
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jabbot |
Limbic_Region: iblech was seen 7 days 23 hours 49 minutes 58 seconds ago |
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Limbic_Region |
seen nothingmuch |
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jabbot |
Limbic_Region: nothingmuch was seen 17 hours 58 minutes 9 seconds ago |
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PerlJam |
kolibrie: well, turn on tracing and see if that helps (Search for RD_TRACE in the docs) |
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kolibrie |
PerlJam: ah, yes, that might help |
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Alias_ |
ohh... |
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Alias_ |
How does one get a commit bot set up |
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* Alias_ |
wants one for #jsan |
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kolibrie |
the examples/svnbot.p6 works, I think |
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Alias_ |
ok |
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kolibrie |
examples/network/svnbot.p6 |
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kolibrie |
so, using my 'my hello world' parsing example, I've gotten pugs to match using this grammar: |
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kolibrie |
rule page { <garbage>+ \s <greeting> \s <world> }; |
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kolibrie |
rule greeting { hello | greetings } |
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kolibrie |
rule world { nathan } |
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kolibrie |
rule garbage { \S+\s? } |
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kolibrie |
however, as soon as I change the string to 'my very special hello world' |
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kolibrie |
I get a segmentation fault |
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kolibrie |
that goes to patrick, I guess? |
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kolibrie |
s/nathan/\w+/ |
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r5624, Stevan++ | Perl6::MetaModel - |
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svnbot6 |
r5624, Stevan++ | * added CLASS (aka $?CLASS) |
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svnbot6 |
r5624, Stevan++ | - added tests for this |
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svnbot6 |
r5624, Stevan++ | - sprinkled usage of this in other tests too |
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svnbot6 |
r5624, Stevan++ | * disabled Submethod failures for now, they are still |
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svnbot6 |
r5624, Stevan++ | broken though |
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pasteling |
"Aankhen``" at 203.101.6.32 pasted "Pugsbug?" (8 lines, 382B) at http://sial.org/pbot/11780 |
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svnbot6 |
r5625, Stevan++ | Perl6::MetaModel - |
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svnbot6 |
r5625, Stevan++ | * stubbed $?ROLE test |
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svnbot6 |
r5625, Stevan++ | * We are not using the Perl6::MetaClass::Dispatcher to handle |
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svnbot6 |
r5625, Stevan++ | all the method dispatching :) |
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stevan |
whoops :) |
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stevan |
s/not using/now using/ |
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Aankhen`` |
LMAO. |
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stevan |
its friday after all :) |
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Aankhen`` |
Excuses, excuses. :-P |
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Aankhen`` |
Could you take a look at the paste and confirm? |
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stevan |
Aankhen``: sure one sec |
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stevan |
Aankhen``: I have no idea what it is thinking there |
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stevan |
did you try this in non-interactive mode? |
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stevan |
oh wait |
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stevan |
line 3, it is missing the comma |
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Aankhen`` |
Indeed. |
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stevan |
pugs> sub foo ($bar, $baz) { ($bar, $baz) }; foo(:bar<quux> :baz<boo>) |
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stevan |
no comma before :baz |
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Aankhen`` |
Yes. |
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stevan |
is that intentional? |
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Aankhen`` |
Indeed. |
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stevan |
ok |
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stevan |
hmm |
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stevan |
what is it supposed to do then? |
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Aankhen`` |
Treat it as if there was a comma there... |
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stevan |
Aankhen``: why? |
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Aankhen`` |
One sec, I'm looking for the AES I read it in. |
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stevan |
(drunken admins)++ |
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Aankhen`` |
Someone take that function away from them. -_- |
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Aankhen`` |
Pitch Black is a depressing movie. |
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Aankhen`` |
I liked Chronicles of Riddick much better. |
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Aankhen`` |
Argh... which AES was it??? |
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cwest |
I need your bot. :-) |
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cwest |
Who owns svnbot6? |
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Aankhen`` |
Right, I can't find it. Put simply, it said the new pair notation would be useful when passing a bunch of boolean options together, e.g. open($file, :lock :read :somethingelse); |
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dudley |
cwest: it's iblech's baby, I think |
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stevan |
cwest: I will sell it to you for $1 million |
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stevan |
or best offer :) |
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Khisanth |
2 rupees! |
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stevan |
damn! undercut again,.. that it, I am moving to Bangalore :) |
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cwest |
Do you /really/ want my best offer? ;-) |
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Khisanth |
quarter cent? :P |
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cwest |
That's pushing it. |
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stevan |
cwest: okay, I will pay you! |
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Khisanth |
one eight? |
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cwest |
My best offer is that you give me crash space at oscon that isn't in a hostel. ;-) |
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stevan |
sure, but the commute is a bitch since I am in Connecticut |
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Khisanth |
hehe |
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cwest |
Connecticut, nice typo. |
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cwest |
Geek. |
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cwest |
Anyway, that's cool. :-) |
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* cwest |
will always say connecticut now. |
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* stevan |
didnt even realize he did it, its the caffine talking I swear |
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masak |
cwest: it's spelled that way |
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masak |
just not pronounced like it :) |
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* Aankhen`` |
goes to sleep. |
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stevan |
nite Aankhen`` |
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Aankhen`` |
G'night. |
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cwest |
wow, awesome quit message |
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stevan |
cwest: I think all you need for svnbot is pugs |
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stevan |
http://svn.openfoundry.org/pug[…]network/svnbot.p6 |
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stevan |
just install pugs and run svnbot from the command line with the proper args and you are good to go |
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cwest |
http://pair.openjsan.org/ |
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cwest |
This will become www and @ soon. |
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cwest |
heh "all you need is pugs" |
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cwest |
I love you guys. |
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stevan |
cwest: here is the man you need to talk to ^ |
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iblech |
cwest: Hi :) |
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* cwest |
is going to try to install pugs from CPAN |
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eric256 |
is evilbot back yet? |
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cwest |
hello iblech, I'm trying to steal your svnbot. |
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eric256 |
i forget how to activate it.... |
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eric256 |
!eval "hello" |
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stevan |
?eval |
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eric256 |
?eval "hello" |
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evalbot6 |
'hello' |
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stevan |
eric256: I think it is down |
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stevan |
oh wait |
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stevan |
back |
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iblech |
cwest: HEAD's svnbot has some cosmetic improvements |
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stevan |
horray |
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cwest |
iblech: Let me try to install pugs first. I think this will be the biggest hurdle. |
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eric256 |
?eval my $test = { 1 => { 2 => 3, 4 => 5} }; |
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evalbot6 |
{('1' => ('2' => 3)), ('4 5' => undef)} |
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iblech |
cwest: Sure |
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stevan |
cwest: pugs from CPAN is for wussies, real hackers use svn HEAD |
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cwest |
Everything I try to compile pugs (on my powerbook) it dies. I'm a wussy. :-) |
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stevan |
cwest: dont try to compile GHC |
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cwest |
I'm using a precompiled package. |
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stevan |
there is a good DMG on the site |
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cwest |
ah, maybe that's it. |
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cwest |
This'll be running on fbsd though. |
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stevan |
cwest: someone around here might have an already compiled version of that then |
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stevan |
I think autrijus uses fbsd |
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* cwest |
is just updating minicpan atm |
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kolibrie |
perlbot nopaste |
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perlbot |
Paste your code here and #<channel> will be able to view it: http://sial.org/pbot/<channel> |
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"kolibrie" at 66.239.158.2 pasted "I get random segfaults from pge with this" (37 lines, 827B) at http://sial.org/pbot/11781 |
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iblech |
kolibrie: IIRC, PGE is still a bit broken (because of the calling convention changes), both in trunk and in leo-ctx5. But not 100% sure |
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kolibrie |
so it's not just me? |
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iblech |
kolibrie: Definitely. My PGE here (latest leo-ctx5) can't even handle "a" ~~ rx/a/ |
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kolibrie |
ouch |
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kolibrie |
well, I won't upgrade my parrot just now |
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iblech |
kolibrie: Ignore what I've just said. Turned out I needed a make realclean, "a" ~~ rx/a/ works now :) |
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iblech |
kolibrie: Will check your nopaste now |
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iblech |
kolibrie: *** Cannot parse PGE: <page> *** Error: end of file no match |
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kolibrie |
iblech: run it a few times |
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kolibrie |
I get different results very time |
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kolibrie |
s/very/every/ |
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iblech |
kolibrie: I get always the same error here |
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kolibrie |
hmm |
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kolibrie |
I got that error twice, but mostly I just get a segfault somewhere |
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kolibrie |
though sometimes all the strings match, no problems |
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Juerd |
Can someone kill lilo for me please? |
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iblech |
No segfaults here |
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kolibrie |
iblech: ok, thanks |
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kolibrie |
Juerd: use grub |
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kolibrie |
anyone else want to run my nopaste to check for segfaults? |
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svnbot6 |
r5626, iblech++ | t_disabled/rules/from_perl6_rules/temp_moved_here_because_pge_doesnt_work_atm/ |
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svnbot6 |
r5626, iblech++ | -- Test fixes ("@a" -> "@a[]", "@{foo}" -> "{@{foo}}", eval_is -> is(eval(..., etc.). |
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Juerd |
kolibrie: No, the lilo who spams freenode |
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kolibrie |
Juerd: oh, sorry |
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Juerd |
kolibrie: Have you looked at your status window lately? |
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kolibrie |
Juerd: ahh, nope,hadn't looked there all day |
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r5627, iblech++ | temp_moved_here_because_pge_doesnt_work_atm/ (referred to as "tmh" in the |
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svnbot6 |
r5627, iblech++ | following) -- unTODO, try {...}, and fail "Test hangs". |
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svnbot6 |
r5627, iblech++ | No test of tmh hangs here now, so we could move tmh back to t/. But as I dunno |
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svnbot6 |
r5627, iblech++ | what Parrot revision other people are on, I leaved tmh at t_disabled. |
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r5628, iblech++ | * t/packages/require_and_use.t -- Refactoring and tests for use and require |
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svnbot6 |
r5628, iblech++ | updating %*INC correctly. |
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r5628, iblech++ | * Usual svn props. |
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iblech |
Night :) |
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nothingmuch |
evening |
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* nothingmuch |
is litterring the p6l posts |
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nothingmuch |
err, logs |
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nothingmuch |
or should I say archives |
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Juerd |
They're posts no matter how you look at them |
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nothingmuch_ |
bah.... multihoming sucks |
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nothingmuch_ |
i wish interface bonding was automatic |
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stevan |
hola nothingmuch |
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stevan |
did you see what putter did ? |
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nothingmuch |
stevan: yep |
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nothingmuch |
i'm happy someone finally did |
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* nothingmuch |
wasn't having much fun with it |
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stevan |
:) |
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stevan |
it looks tedious, metamodels are much more fun :) |
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nothingmuch |
yup. |
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* nothingmuch |
thinks he'll go read now |
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nothingmuch |
i crashed today |
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nothingmuch |
it was a really funny (in the pathetic sense) event. |
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nothingmuch |
i rode all around dirt, and rocks, and icky stuff, like thorns, and what not., and didn't die |
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stevan |
crashed the bike? |
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nothingmuch |
especially this one descent I really like where there is no road, i'm always sure i'll fall down, but I don't |
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nothingmuch |
anyway, so i get back into Lehavim, where I live, from out in the hills |
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nothingmuch |
and i am riding on the road |
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nothingmuch |
it was getting dark, and I didn't correctly assess how much this sewage drain was sticking out of the pavement. |
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nothingmuch |
and furthermore I was in a too high gear |
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nothingmuch |
now about 1mm of my elbow is on the asphalt, and what's left of it is hurting |
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nothingmuch |
as is mhy wrist |
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nothingmuch |
which is a shame, since it's the left hand |
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nothingmuch |
which i use to mast^H^H^H^Hplay wit^H^H^H the base |
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nothingmuch |
err, bass |
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nothingmuch |
any mac users? |
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dmo |
yeah, why ? |
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nothingmuch |
my safari is fubar |
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nothingmuch |
can you zip up Safari.app and WebKit.framework? |
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dmo |
yawn... yup |
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dmo |
where do you want me to send it ? |
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nothingmuch |
umm, any webspace |
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nothingmuch |
or [email hidden.address] |
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nothingmuch |
UGH!!: http://use.perl.org/comments.p[…]d=27555&cid=41974 |
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dmo |
done |
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dmo |
check it before i go to bed, which is ... asap |
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nothingmuch |
thanks! |
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nothingmuch |
how big is it? |
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dmo |
5 megs, the exim sucker won't let it through. hold on |
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dmo |
oh no... I'll put it on my server, hold on a sec |
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nothingmuch |
thanks!. |
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dmo |
http://www.amakuru.net/safari.tar.bz2 |
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dmo |
i've got 256kbps up, should be quick enough; Mail seems to have suceeded though ? |
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nothingmuch |
errm, mutt is sorting inbox |
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nothingmuch |
yes, it got here |
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nothingmuch |
dmo++ |
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dmo |
wait until it does work |
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nothingmuch |
btw, there's an easy way to make archives - context click on something and say 'make archive' |
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nothingmuch |
it creates a zip |
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dmo |
zip is evil |
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nothingmuch |
ah, but there is more magic - it does resource forks too |
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nothingmuch |
and since zip is less evil than stuffit |
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dmo |
doesn't it fuck up you permissions ? |
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nothingmuch |
what does? |
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dmo |
zip |
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nothingmuch |
zip? exe bits et al? |
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dmo |
owner group and stuff ? it's been ages |
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nothingmuch |
the ._MacOSX thing inside it appearantly keeps metadata |
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dmo |
alright |
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nothingmuch |
the reason I like it nowadays is that it Just Works |
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nothingmuch |
and stuffit is flakey, ugly, and annoying |
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dmo |
I'm still more used to Linux than macos |
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dmo |
old habits :) |
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nothingmuch |
as I see it OSX is enough posix for me too be happy |
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dmo |
yep |
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nothingmuch |
but since there's not too much to configure (fvwm? kde? many options?) i don't waste time |
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nothingmuch |
plus, i know all the keyboard shortcuts |
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dmo |
oh there's still plenty. |
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nothingmuch |
sure, the expose stuff, and the apps are nice |
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nothingmuch |
but you get enough goodness out of every platform, i guess |
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nothingmuch |
windows xp probably has a crap load of magic I would like to use if I knew about it |
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nothingmuch |
but i'll never find out since cygwin is not enough ;-) |
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dmo |
i had to struggle to find all the helpers I need |
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nothingmuch |
dmo: on what platform? |
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dmo |
osc |
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dmo |
osx |
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nothingmuch |
what do you mean by helpers, btw? |
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dmo |
sshAskPass, Witch, iTerm, stuff like that |
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dmo |
a version of gvim that runs nicely |
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dmo |
compile qt so that lincvs would run on it without crashing every other second |
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osfameron |
hmmm, what's wrong with using UNIVERSAL::isa as a function? |
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nothingmuch |
it seems to work |
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dmo |
what ? safari ? |
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osfameron: Test::MockObject can't lie |
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dmo: yep |
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nothingmuch |
but actually, false alarm |
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nothingmuch |
when I replace WebKit it doesn't work |
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* nothingmuch |
swaps back |
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dmo |
fsck! |
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nothingmuch |
nevermind, i just remembered I actually paid for this version of SOX |
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OSX |
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so I can restore from CD ;-) |
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dmo |
running tiger right ? |
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yep |
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osfameron |
nothingmuch: is that more important than the fact that $string->isa, $undef->isa etc. will die because they're not blessed objects ? |
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dmo |
dunno then |
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osfameron: yes, because if you're going to check on a class you're probably going to make calls, and if you're going to make calls it'll die anyway |
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UNIVERSAL::isa is not Params::Validate |
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it's more like Class::Introspect |
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and if a class is lying it has a good reason |
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every time I try to use Test::MockObject some module gets in the way |
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osfameron: am i making progress in brainwashing you? |
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osfameron |
nothingmuch: I guess I get the point |
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osfameron |
but as I haven't really used Test::MockObject I haven't really had the problem |
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and I don't see why I shouldn't use a perfectly good function in the language |
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so will you 'use UNIVERSAL::isa "isa"' whenever you want to use it as a function? |
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well, because if you do that in your modules other people suffer |
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osfameron |
which is quoted in perldocs and stuff as what to use instead of ref |
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perldocs suck in that respect |
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osfameron |
because some other module wants to do some evil magic. |
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we have Scalar::Util reftype |
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and Scalar::Util::blessed |
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osfameron |
if (blessed($foo) && $foo->isa(whatever)) ? |
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osfameron |
I guess it's not much more pain |
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nothingmuch |
no |
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'use UNIVERSAL::isa "isa"', 'isa($foo, whatever)' |
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if you want it as a function that way behaves correctly |
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otherwise you can do that |
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but blessed($foo) && $foo->isa(whatever) is a lot of work |
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osfameron |
ah |
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if you really want to verify that it's an object, you might as well use something more suited for the task |
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(e.g. Params::Validate) |
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osfameron |
I don't like the way that the module perldoc says I'm stupid |
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osfameron |
:-) |
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sorry, i was annoyed when I wrote that |
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patches welcome |
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and chromatic's UNIVERSAL::can is more polite ;-) |
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hm, I guess UNIVERSAL::isa module is a reasonable reimplementation of the function |
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osfameron |
of course I guess perl6 will be able to do things like $scalar.isa('SCALAR') um 'ACTUALSCALAR' or something |
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osfameron: ask stevan =) |
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