Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2005-08-08

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00:58 mugwump brentdax: ePerl didn't take off.
01:00 QtPlatypus mugwump: What is ePerl?
01:00 mugwump Parse::ePerl
01:01 mugwump Which would be very similar to Perl 6's { } interpolation, in fact identical if you passed it the appropriate options
01:02 mugwump However nobody used it because the templates ended up being really ugly, especially compared to TT.  Or they just used Mason (of course, people who use Mason are never worried about ugly templates)
01:03 mugwump maybe Perl 6 having nicer syntax would be its saving grace, but I still think that a domain-specific language like TT brings the right balance of expressivity and restriction to a templating environment.
01:04 mugwump Otherwise you just end up writing PHP
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06:04 brentdax You can return from a try {} block, can't you?
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07:07 * nothingmuch tries to think what he still needed to get around to yesterday
07:10 * brentdax wonders if an unprintable character can be used as a literal string delimiter...
07:10 brentdax Looks like it.  Hmm...
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07:18 nothingmuch brentdax: it's fun
07:18 nothingmuch you can use \0 as a delimiter
07:19 brentdax I'm planning to do so.
07:21 brentdax `eval "qq\0$str\0"` is basically equivalent to the `eval :lang<Perl6qq>` construct I mentioned earlier.
07:21 brentdax (And no, not every Joe Blow will be able to control what goes in $str--only an admin will.)
07:22 nothingmuch why do you need to quote that way?
07:22 nothingmuch isn't `eval "qq\0$str\0"` eq `$str`
07:23 brentdax Not if you don't know what $str will be until runtime.
07:23 brentdax I'm pulling $str out of a database.
07:23 brentdax And letting it interpolate variables in the local scope.
07:23 nothingmuch oh, variable interpolation
07:23 nothingmuch i didn't notice it was qq instead of q
07:24 nothingmuch you are naughty, but have fun =)
07:24 autrijus brentdax: looks suitable insane
07:24 autrijus (i.e. that's fine)
07:25 brentdax It probably is, but I don't want to invent a template language and I don't want to force people to edit the code.
07:25 * nothingmuch has to finish some web devel now
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07:25 nothingmuch we have a templating module, don't we?
07:26 Aankh|Clone I believe we do...
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07:26 Aankhen`` Ah yes, WTemplate.
07:36 brentdax Doesn't really seem to be what I'm looking for--basically I just want something where the user can specify a string and have a few values inserted here and there.
07:39 nothingmuch .... and an if/then/else clause occasionally
07:40 nothingmuch ;-)
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07:43 brentdax If they need one, there's always closure interpolation...
07:44 brentdax Hmm, "can't find fetchrow_arrayref" is never a good error message.
07:44 brentdax There are a lot of Heisenbugs in Perl 5 interop.
07:46 autrijus yes.
07:47 coral s/interop// additionally
07:47 brentdax Heh.
07:48 brentdax Time to switch shebang lines and see if a newer Pugs will work better...
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17:16 svnbot6 r6113 | fglock++ | * much refactored Lazy::List
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18:13 svnbot6 r6114 | fglock++ | * New lazy array methods: FETCH(), STORE()
18:13 svnbot6 r6114 | fglock++ | * Lazy list methods (grep, map, ...) moved from Array::Lazy to
18:13 svnbot6 r6114 | fglock++ |   Lazy::List. These methods can be accessed from an array
18:13 svnbot6 r6114 | fglock++ |   by doing a 'splat()' first.
18:13 svnbot6 r6114 | fglock++ |   Array::Lazy::reverse() is still supported.
18:13 svnbot6 r6115 | fglock++ | * added tests for Array::Lazy FETCH/STORE
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18:38 stevan autrijus: how goes the metamodel?
18:39 stevan I will try and work up a properly documented Meta Object Protocol this week
18:39 stevan aka - a list of methods which you need to expose on the Perl 6 level
18:39 stevan I will use Syn 12.5 for it
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18:51 svnbot6 r6116 | fglock++ | * Array::Lazy FETCH/STORE all tests pass
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19:13 svnbot6 r6117 | fglock++ | * Array::Lazy new method slice()
19:13 svnbot6 r6117 | fglock++ |   - accepts a lazy list or lazy array as argument!
19:13 svnbot6 r6117 | fglock++ |     @a = 1..Inf;  @b = @a[10..Inf];
19:13 svnbot6 r6118 | fglock++ | * Array::Lazy documentation updates
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19:29 svnbot6 r6119 | iblech++ | * t/rules/, t_disabled/rules/: Fixed the rules-support-missing guard so it
19:29 svnbot6 r6119 | iblech++ |   works under PIL2JS (eval('!...') -> !eval('...')).
19:29 svnbot6 r6119 | iblech++ | * t/builtins/arrays_and_hashes/pick.t: Minor fix (s/==/eq/).
19:29 svnbot6 r6119 | iblech++ | * PIL2JS: PIL2JS.js: Added .toNative of PIL2JS.Hash and PIL2JS.Pair.
19:29 chip Good Day
19:31 fglock hi
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19:33 brentdax Hello Chip.
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19:56 svnbot6 r6120 | fglock++ | Lazy Array .elems() actually work
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20:10 svnbot6 r6121 | Stevan++ | Perl6::MetaModel - (p5)
20:10 svnbot6 r6121 | Stevan++ | * first start on documenting the Meta Object Protocol
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20:37 svnbot6 r6122 | fglock++ | * more Array::Lazy.elems stuff
20:45 fglock hi
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21:10 svnbot6 r6123 | dudley++ | Perl6::MetaModel - (p5)
21:10 svnbot6 r6123 | dudley++ | * minor spelling and grammar fixes
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21:22 Aankhen`` G'night.
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21:51 stevan dudley++ # fixing my attroshush speeling and grammer
21:51 stevan personally I blame Phonics :P
21:52 dudley :)
21:55 dudley I'm thinking about working on the Java version of the metamodel a little, just to get acquainted with it. Do you mind?
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22:25 BlackShuck Hope nobody minds, I got a perl newbie iser question. I have a perl app, but it complains about the following on start "Can't locate Digest/SHA.pm"  I have added the cpan module SHA, but it has not helped.  Does anyone have any other advice?  Thanks.
22:26 mugwump BlackShuck: ask on perlmonks.org, could be a few reasons.  make sure to put full command output in your question.
22:27 iblech Isn't it Digest::SHA1 (with the 1)?
22:27 mugwump yes, that might be part of the problem :)
22:29 BlackShuck yes, thanks ibelch, it was digest::sha1
22:30 * mugwump gives iblech a fish
22:30 BlackShuck although it did install something with SHA
22:30 * iblech goes back to coding (full continuations in PIL2JS)
22:31 * fglock banging head trying to store a lazy array into another, using a lazy slice
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22:48 svnbot6 r6124 | fglock++ | * Array::Lazy::store_slice() - initial code
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