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00:14 ingy autrijus: I'll get it shortly!
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00:20 ingy seen autrijus
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00:20 ingy autrijus: are there any completely new docs?
00:22 geoffb ingy, did you already have S17?
00:24 geoffb Man, this code optimization blog series is going way longer than I expected: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8260
00:24 geoffb Ah well, at least I'm not running low on topics.  :-)
00:24 geoffb It will be nice when I get done with this series, though, and get back to Perl-specific stuff.
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00:38 ingy geoffb: I have it now
00:38 ingy Perl6-Bible-0.22.tar.gz (The Halloween Edition) on the ether to CPAN now...
00:39 geoffb ingy++
00:39 ingy :)
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01:58 gantrixx is there anyone here from Phoenix?
02:00 amos maybe!
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02:01 * theorbtwo thinks azuroth_tafe is being testy.
02:02 theorbtwo (If you will foregive the foregoing pun.)
02:02 gantrixx well if you are from arizona and are looking for a job, msg me privately
02:03 azuroth_tafe no, but I'd like a job anyway . . . ;-p
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02:04 gantrixx is autrijus here?
02:04 gantrixx I did get a company interested in using Perl6
02:04 gantrixx unfortunately, they are interested now
02:04 gantrixx they want to rewrite a bunch of Perl5 stuff to Perl6
02:07 azuroth_tafe that's very cool
02:12 Khisanth just not very practical :)
02:12 rep isn't it a bit premature
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02:33 azuroth_tafe they don't need to start _using_ it straight away though, right?
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03:08 gantrixx actually yes they want to start using it
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03:08 gantrixx they thought that Perl5 didn't have multithreading and Perl6 did
03:08 gantrixx actually Perl5 does have it, I'm just not that familiar with it
03:09 gantrixx I did tell them that Perl6 would be a worth while endevor but not until an activestate distrobution is ready
03:09 gantrixx they use perl-win32
03:10 gantrixx OK, I have to log off now.  the kids have stopped comming begging for candy
03:10 gantrixx I'm going to bed
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04:52 svnbot6 r7805 | eric256++ | added doc links to two tests.
04:52 svnbot6 r7805 | eric256++ | Added doc link to slurp.t
04:52 svnbot6 r7805 | eric256++ | Doc linkes for a few OO tests.
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07:05 geoffb Apparent bug in 'make register':  My PARROT_PATH ends in 'svk/parrot-trunk'.  'make register' dies with an error from ghc-pkg about '.../svk/parrot doesn't exist or isn't a directory'.  Something breaking the directory at the hyphen, I'd guess.
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07:39 geoffb morning, nothingmuch
07:39 nothingmuch morning
07:40 geoffb How's life on your side of the planet?
07:54 * nothingmuch is doing some catalyst stuff
07:54 nothingmuch as opposed to pugs
07:54 nothingmuch someone was needed to fix sessions up
07:55 geoffb ah
07:55 geoffb Fun at least?
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09:20 nothingmuch sorry
09:20 nothingmuch geoffb: yes, pretty fun
09:20 nothingmuch shlemiel the painter
09:20 nothingmuch oops
09:20 nothingmuch damn clipboard
09:21 nothingmuch (that was from a reply to stevan, if anyone cares, on p6l)
09:21 nothingmuch http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/repos/Catalyst/trunk/Catalyst-Plugin-Session/
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09:32 gaal anyone know a Windows equivalent to strace?
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09:34 misc gaal: see sysinternals.com , maybe they have something ?
09:35 gaal didn't find anything there, but now checking out http://www.bindview.com/Services/RAZOR/Utilities/Windows/strace_readme.cfm
09:35 gaal sysinternals.com++ #general rockitude
09:36 gaal hmmm the bindview strace has a few serious downsides. I think I'll pass for now :/
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11:02 rafl_ Is generating the prelude broken currenylt?
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12:13 svnbot6 r7806 | autrijus++ | * Wendy's notes of what can hopefully become PA02 that is accessible to nonjargon audiences
12:21 autrijus rafl_: nopaste the error?
12:22 autrijus sadly I need to run off to amsterdam.pm meeting in a couple mins
12:22 autrijus will checkback iff find wireless
12:22 autrijus (journal updated)
12:22 autrijus &
12:27 * theorbtwo wonders who Wendy is.
12:43 rafl_ autrijus: make realclean fixed it.
12:45 theorbtwo Oh, to answer my own question: Liz's housemate.
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13:09 nothingmuch hola
13:17 theorbtwo Hola, Yuval.
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13:23 comet_ morning
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14:07 Juerd 13:27 < autrijus> sadly I need to run off to amsterdam.pm meeting in a couple mins
14:07 Juerd Ohhh, thanks for the reminder
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14:07 Juerd I was living with the notion of today being monday.
14:07 Juerd theorbtwo: Liz's wife
14:08 theorbtwo Oh, I didn't realize she was married.  Or a lesbian.
14:12 Juerd I
14:12 Juerd I knew the latter, the former only when reading Wendy's site :)
14:14 theorbtwo Oddly, I seem to recall a dutch lesbian couple hanging out on the CB around the time Liz was there, but I don't recal Liz being in it.
14:15 theorbtwo How many lesbian dutch perl monks are there?
14:18 stevan theorbtwo: deep down, I think we are all dutch lesbians
14:18 svnbot6 r7807 | stevan++ | Perl6::ObjectSpace - cleaning up some details, making the bootstapping tools easier to use, therefore making the code easier to read as well
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14:18 stevan autrijus: ping # have some YARV thoughts when you get back
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14:20 theorbtwo Thank you, stevan, for finally giving a punchline.
14:20 stevan theorbtwo: :)
14:27 Juerd 15:23 < stevan> theorbtwo: deep down, I think we are all dutch lesbians
14:27 Juerd ++
14:27 Juerd rotflol.
14:27 Juerd theorbtwo: I have no idea.
14:27 Juerd theorbtwo: They're the only two dutch female perl programmers I know, even
14:28 Juerd But then, I really don't know any dutch perl programmers except those I met at amsterdam.pm
14:28 stevan Juerd: maybe you should take a poll at the meeting :)
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14:30 Juerd stevan: "Are you dutch and lesbian?"
14:30 stevan Juerd: well I think you can probably assume the dutch part
14:31 Juerd autrijus will be at the meeting, and isn't dutch. I hope he's not lesbian, though, because that'd mean my gender guessing skills are WAY off :)
14:31 stevan Juerd: you mean, you didnt know?
14:31 Juerd Why does this subject intruige you so much, by the way? :)
14:31 Juerd stevan: haha
14:32 stevan Juerd: it doesn't really,.. just a slow morning @work :)
14:32 Juerd It'd be fun, though, if there were any relation between sexual preference and programming language of choice
14:32 Juerd I myself am gay
14:32 * stevan is avoiding writing a proposal for a client
14:32 Juerd Is Perl a gay language? Many PHP coders seem to think so...
14:33 * stevan thinks PHP is for transgender bestiality freaks
14:34 stevan Juerd: Lambdas are gay (http://www.lambda.org/)
14:34 xinming If there were any relation between sexual preference and programming language... I should choose programming language after my preference is finished. :-P
14:36 xinming hmm, anyone here knows why iblech didn't come here for now?
14:37 stevan xinming: he usually has the iblechbot log the channel,. and I think he backlogs
14:37 stevan he is also still in school,..
14:38 xinming Oh, I just wish to have a conversation with him on a test.
14:38 Limbic_Region I would be more interested in a correlation between preferred language and preferred hobbies then in sexual orientation
14:39 Limbic_Region but I guess that's because I already have a mate and am just looking for a pal ;-)
14:39 Juerd Limbic_Region: I think sexual orientation has a lot to do with hobby... :)
14:39 stevan Juerd++ :)
14:40 stevan my name is stevan, like proramming in perl, long walks on the beach and reading sci-fi novels
14:40 Limbic_Region Juerd - maybe so but I don't really care about the sexual orientation aspect.  Only if they enjoy the same things I do
14:40 Juerd Yes, enjoying the same things is important for sex too.
14:40 * Limbic_Region hasn't had too many gay men fall for him to make it a problem of avoidance
14:41 Limbic_Region s/problem/reason/
14:41 * Limbic_Region is in the process of reviving the currently defunct local PerlMongers group
14:42 xinming ?eval class a { has $.a; method update { $.a; } };class b { has $.a; submethod BUILD { a.new( a => $.a ).update; }; }; b.new( a => 20 );
14:42 evalbot_7807 Error: No compatible subroutine found: "&update"
14:42 xinming hmm, Ok, I will ask here anyway.
14:42 xinming Is my example cause recursively method calls?
14:42 * stevan thinks people might be more likely to go to a perlmongers meeting if it involved sex
14:43 Juerd ...
14:44 xinming hmm, indirectly...
14:44 xinming Just wish to my test better...
14:45 xinming s/to/to make/
14:49 xinming :-S why If I ask this question... all people are becoming quiet? :-/
14:52 stevan ?eval class a { method update { 'foo' } }; a.new().update();
14:52 evalbot_7807 "foo"
14:52 stevan ?eval class a { method update { 'foo' } }; a.new().update;
14:52 evalbot_7807 "foo"
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14:53 xinming but for the indirect class instance creation... It will get the problem.
14:53 xinming with class name and attribute which are the same...
14:53 stevan xinming: what do you want b.new() to return?
14:54 xinming if you change class name a -> A, and b -> B, the problem will go.
14:54 stevan ok
14:54 xinming stevan: returns nothing, Just create a instance and call a method from other class, and return.
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14:55 stevan xinming: this will (hopefully) be fixed with the metamodel
14:56 xinming stevan: Yeah, I know, I want to know if the test is finished right now, or after the bug is fixed. :-)
14:57 xinming when should I finish the test.
14:57 stevan xinming: commit the breaking test,..
14:57 stevan it will encourage people to fix it :)
14:57 xinming stevan: It's already there.
14:57 xinming pugs/t/pugsbugs/class_name_and_attribute_name_confliction.t
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15:00 theorbtwo Can you change confliction to conflict?
15:01 xinming theorbtwo: well, do as you wish, as my English is poor. :-/
15:01 xinming sorry for my poor English
15:02 theorbtwo Your english is /far/ better then my Chinese.
15:03 xinming theorbtwo: that makes no sense on comparing English with Chinese... vice versa... As I still have to learn.. :-)
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16:18 eric256 anyone know the name of a web based linux config tool? i always forget its name ;(
16:19 xinming eric256: webadmin?
16:19 PerlJam eric256: try typing "web based linux config tool" into google.
16:19 * xinming thinks webadmin might be the most famous one. :-/
16:19 PerlJam xinming: It's the first link in google if he'd done what I said.
16:20 eric256 webmin..
16:20 eric256 PerlJam thats what i was searching with ;)
16:20 xinming PerlJam: It's what I think when I saw he asked. ;-)
16:20 xinming but maybe wrong... :-/
16:21 eric256 webmin is it. webadmin is something different... i worded my google query slightly different and didn't get that at all. lol
16:24 xinming eric256: webmin is correct, I ever used this for over month when I was in BeiJing, But now, I prefer ssh instead. ;-)
16:24 eric256 yea but i need to do some stuff i ain good at..i'm hoping it will automate them. ;)
16:24 * eric256 and FTP don't get along well at all
16:26 * xinming prefer lftp as client and proftpd-mysql as server.
16:26 eric256 i can't seem to get any FTP setup to actualy work.
16:27 eric256 i'm just not realy a sysadmin at all.
16:33 Khisanth well ftp has fun issues with firewalls :)
16:33 theorbtwo Try both passive and non-passive.
16:33 theorbtwo Sometimes only one or the other will work.
16:33 theorbtwo FTP is not a good protocol for the age of the NAT.
16:34 Khisanth I don't think either of those will work if both side has a firewall
16:34 eric256 its not connecting. its setting up the FTP server.
16:36 theorbtwo Would be likely, Khisanth.
16:36 theorbtwo HTTP is really a much more sane design.
16:36 xinming hmm, it both are behind the firewall, I'd prefer use http for serving files.
16:37 xinming or do some port-map for ftp, But I don't know if it really works though. :-P
16:37 xinming for http, just map the firewall 80 port into the server, that's all done.. IMHO
16:38 xinming s/it/if/
16:39 theorbtwo Or any other port, and give the port in the URL.
16:39 * eric256 just needs point and click isntallation of FTP ;)
16:39 theorbtwo FTP tries to use a seperate connections for data and control.
16:40 eric256 or maybe one that installs itself when i mumble an incantation
16:40 theorbtwo That means it needs to be able to make another connection like this one, and associate them.  HTTP just needs the one.
16:40 xinming in fact, for Unix users, scp isn't not that bad.
16:40 theorbtwo Why do you need ftp for this?
16:41 integral scp eats way more cycles than ftp though
16:41 eric256 for this?  /me needs it for work. i have a web developer who needs access to the files and be able to FTP them up and down.
16:41 xinming eric256: try svn. ;-)
16:42 xinming integral: well, For convience, ssh isn't that bad for the machine nowadays.
16:42 eric256 xinming... doesn't five me what i need i promise
16:42 xinming what does five mean here? >_<
16:43 eric256 s/five/give/   f and g are next to each other ;)
16:44 theorbtwo Ah, OK, that makes sense.
16:44 theorbtwo What is your firewall?
16:45 eric256 this is all on the same network
16:46 eric256 though my lin box seems to have some sort of firewall of its own in place.  /me curses
16:46 xinming iptables? ipchains?
16:46 Khisanth tables probably
16:47 theorbtwo Oh.
16:48 theorbtwo Hm, you said it's not connecting at all, or just not working?
16:48 eric256 iptables
16:48 eric256 local wget on the machine gets the login page, anything elsewhere times out.. looking for the config for iptables
16:48 theorbtwo You probably need to open up a hole in your firewall.  Possibly just get rid of it.
16:49 xinming \
16:49 eric256 yea. /et/csysconfig/iptables found. ;)
16:50 Khisanth well you need 21 open and posssibly some more if you are not using passive, if you are using passive you should probably specify a port range
16:50 eric256 now i fi only understood the syntax. lol /me laughs in misery. hehe computers are soo evil
16:51 eric256 turned off firewall and rejoiced
16:51 eric256 its behind at least 2 other firewalls anyway....who would need so many firewalls. arg ;)
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17:16 geoffb eric256, defense in depth.
17:17 * geoffb used to be a certified Paranoid Bastard, but now just doesn't have the time for it.
17:17 geoffb Thankfully, I set up my firewalls will I was still a PB.  :-)
17:18 geoffb Anybody here remember FSP?
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17:25 theorbtwo Each firewall is to firewall from different people.
17:26 theorbtwo The last one to firewall you from everybody else one the network...
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17:38 eric256 freaking thing keeps saying invalid login. arg.
17:39 Khisanth which server are you using?
17:39 eric256 proftpd
17:39 Khisanth and where is it getting the login/pass info from?
17:39 eric256 how do i know?
17:41 Khisanth hmm that should be in the .conf I guess
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17:51 eric256 yea. it doesn't like running in inetd, but standalone works fine ;) /me rejoices
17:55 svnbot6 r7808 | iblech++ | * Usual svn props.
17:55 svnbot6 r7808 | iblech++ | * t/pugsbugs/class_name_and_attribute_name_confliction.t: More investigation --
17:55 svnbot6 r7808 | iblech++ |   the main cause for failing is now clear (look inside the file).
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17:57 * eric256 chears hystericaly
17:58 geoffb :-)
18:00 pmurias hi
18:00 svnbot6 r7809 | stevan++ | Perl6::ObjectSpace -
18:00 svnbot6 r7809 | stevan++ | * added the symbol type, to represent variable names and
18:00 svnbot6 r7809 | stevan++ |   optionally the assoiciate type
18:00 svnbot6 r7809 | stevan++ | * closures now need closure::params instead of list() for
18:00 svnbot6 r7809 | stevan++ |   its param list, and that list must be made up of symbols
18:00 svnbot6 r7809 | stevan++ |   instead of strings (which means we get (basic) type
18:00 svnbot6 r7809 | stevan++ |   checking for free)
18:00 svnbot6 r7809 | stevan++ | * hash can now take any type for the key, but it will always
18:00 svnbot6 r7809 | stevan++ |   stringify that type, and not keep it around (this should be
18:01 svnbot6 r7809 | stevan++ |   fixed, but is okay for now)
18:01 svnbot6 r7809 | stevan++ | * added some more methods to the bootstrap file as well
18:01 eric256 iblech...i'm not sure your right...well i'm not sure your wrong. just when i was testing that example i was doing so with only one set of classes in the file.
18:01 eric256 hmm iblech isn't here....
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18:02 * eric256 wishes iblech where here...i just tested it and indeed it breaks even with only one set of classes so i think you might be following a different bug
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18:03 geoffb eric256, it's possible he may notice his name went by in iblechbot, but I don't know how careful he is about that
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18:05 xinming yeap. :-P iblech might misunderstand me. :-P
18:07 twobitsprite I'm looking for resources on writing parrot asm, but I'm having a hard time finding an actual list of opcodes...
18:08 eric256 http://www.parrotcode.org/docs/  .. youve probably looked there, but just in case
18:08 PerlJam twobitsprite: particularly http://www.parrotcode.org/docs/ops
18:09 PerlJam oh, I guess that's empty now.
18:09 PerlJam never mind, ignore me.
18:09 twobitsprite yeah, I saw that, but I was confused by the notation... they notate opcodes as opcode(stuff, stuff)...
18:10 Limbic_Region ok - anyone who knows/understand the Makfile.PL about?
18:10 twobitsprite PerlJam, no, it's not empty...
18:10 PerlJam mine is.
18:10 Limbic_Region in particular, portability
18:11 twobitsprite well... they list, i.e. the opcode "bnot" in the notation "bnot(inout INT)"... is that the actual syntax? i.e. in my .pasm file, would I say "bnot(inout 4)"?
18:11 eric256 maybe compare http://www.parrotcode.org/examples/pasm.html to the docs so you get a feel for how the documentation works
18:12 twobitsprite eric256, ahh ha... examples! :)
18:12 twobitsprite thanks
18:12 twobitsprite this should keep me busy for a while...
18:13 geoffb twobitsprite, why are you working in raw PASM anyway?
18:13 eric256 warning /me doesn't know the difference between PIR, Parrot, PASM and a can of worms.
18:13 geoffb Better to use PIR, for your own sanity.
18:13 twobitsprite geoffb, I just wanted to play with it
18:14 twobitsprite geoffb, er... PIR?
18:14 geoffb Hey, if that's your -Ofun, go for it.  :-)
18:14 geoffb PIR == Parrot Intermediate Representation.  It's higher-level, on top of PASM.  Makes it easier to work with.
18:14 eric256 so for perl6 we've now designed (we in no way including myself. ;) ) 3 languages? PASM,PIR, and Perl6?
18:14 Limbic_Region where higher in higher-level is relative
18:14 Limbic_Region ;-)
18:15 geoffb Hence "higher" in stead of "high".  :-)
18:15 geoffb s:3rd/ //
18:16 Limbic_Region ok - so no takers on the portability inquiry of Makefile.PL?
18:16 geoffb *la la la la la la la*
18:16 twobitsprite I see
18:17 twobitsprite all over the parrot site, they say the best way to help with parrot was to write asm code, to help test, etc... should I instead be using pir?
18:17 PerlJam twobitsprite: WRT your question, no that's not the syntax.  you could use "bnot X" or "bnot(X)" where X is one of many things.
18:17 geoffb leo, I think twobitsprite should be talking to you
18:17 PerlJam twobitsprite: IN parameters are for input only, OUT are for output only, and INOUT do both.
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18:18 PerlJam twobitsprite: X could be an I-register or a P-register, etc.
18:19 leo here I am
18:19 pmurias Is there a short tutorial to perl6?
18:20 geoffb twobitsprite, meet leo.   He's the guy you need to be asking about PASM and PIR . . . though he will probably want to take you to the parrot channel first
18:20 * twobitsprite tried the parrot channel, only to find the void
18:21 geoffb twobitsprite, not on this network.  irc.perl.org, I think.
18:21 leo twobitsprite: #parrot is at pobox
18:21 Limbic_Region twobitsprite - I thought #parrot was on a different network
18:21 twobitsprite I see
18:21 eric256 that. seems silly
18:21 leo irc.pobox.com
18:22 geoffb leo, you might want to become op on #parrot on freenode, just so you can keep a topic in that channel pointing to the correct network
18:22 leo I can try that - good idea
18:23 eric256 or we could stick a bot in there.
18:24 PerlJam the bot could hang out in #parrotsketch and rely the conversation for readonly access too.
18:24 PerlJam :)
18:25 geoffb Take it away, Eric the Orchestra Leader
18:26 * eric256 looks around behind him....damn volunteer traps, i'm always falling into those
18:26 geoffb ... -Onot_fun: porting perfectly decent SQL code to Oracle ...
18:26 geoffb eric256, heh
18:28 pmurias I'am thinking of writing a 1-2 page tutorial to perl6 for my english assigment , any sugestions?
18:28 PerlJam eric256: PoCoIRC is your friend.
18:29 PerlJam pmurias: Is your english assignment to write a technical document?
18:29 eric256 PoCoIRC? will it help me avoid traps? lol
18:29 pmurias Not really?It's just a free topic one :)
18:29 geoffb pmurias, take a look at some of the slideshows . . . doc/talks/ has some
18:29 eric256 lol. /me pictures the tortured look on pmurias' english teacher.
18:29 geoffb :-)
18:30 eric256 is this the, "make the paper so boring she wont read it all" aproach?
18:30 pmurias a bit
18:31 pmurias The point of the assigment is to just write something usefull.
18:31 eric256 i would bet that your teacher doesn't include tutorials, technical manuals, or indexs as "free topic" material.
18:31 * eric256 doesn't miss the days of writing papers even a little
18:32 pmurias The point was to use engilsh as tool not the objective.
18:32 pmurias So it should be ok.
18:32 eric256 ahhh. interesting teacher and assignment
18:33 pmurias english isn't our native language.
18:33 geoffb Yours is pretty good, pmurias
18:33 eric256 ahhh. that makes more since
18:33 eric256 yea i wouldn't have guessed, obviously. ;)
18:33 xerox 'useful' ;-)
18:34 pmurias It would be usefull to hack ispell into BitchX
18:34 xerox Try out Circe :-)
18:38 pmurias How upto date to the perl6 definition is pugs 6.2.10?
18:39 eric256 both are moving targets.  perl6 isn't anywhere near completly specced out, but pugs keeps very close to the latest decisions on p6
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18:43 PerlJam somehow "moving target" seems like a tremendous understatement ;-)
18:46 eric256 "implementing perl6 with pugs is like trying to swat a fly with a chop stick" ;)
18:46 eric256 now *thats* a moving target. ;)
18:47 pmurias pugs 6.2.10 isn't hopefully a moving target :) Unless you switch tarballs behinde the scene :)
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18:50 PerlJam eric256: Didn't you see the Karate Kid?  Catching a fly with chop sticks is so easy that Ralph Macchio could do it; swatting one shouldn't be any more difficult!  ;-)
18:50 eric256 pmurias...while 6.2.10 might not be moving..perl6 certainly is
18:52 pmurias I'm grabbing perl 5.8.7 to compile the latest svn revision.
18:52 pmurias I was just considering useing the 6.2.10 installed on by debian server box...
18:52 * eric256 scratches his head.  what?  compile SVN or compile the newest 5.8.7?
18:54 pmurias The latest pugs revision.
18:54 PerlJam eric256: he's compiling Perl6::Pugs (or whatever the module name is) with perl 5.8.7
18:54 eric256 whats that have to do with perl 5.8.7?
18:54 pmurias from the subversion repository
18:54 eric256 ohhhh
18:54 PerlJam (I'm guessing)
18:54 pmurias pugs requires 5.8.1
18:55 pmurias and 5.8.0 was included with slackware 9
18:55 eric256 then why are you grabbing 5.8.7? or you don't have perl at all yet?
18:55 eric256 ohhh.
18:55 PerlJam why does pugs require 5.8.1?
18:56 pmurias Don't no
18:56 obra 5.8.0 was very buggy
18:57 pmurias Makefile.PL used to say it requires 6.0.0 in the error message previously
18:57 pmurias So i was scared off from the source packages untill recently
18:58 pmurias :)
18:58 eric256 lol
18:59 PerlJam oh well, I'm going to continually be blissfully ignorant of the whole thing as I never use a perl < 5.8.6 these days
19:00 eric256 pmurias just get a feather account from Juerd then you can always play with the newest pugs...its recompiled every 15 minutes (if there are changes)
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19:21 ArchDist anyone have a suggested book on perl for non-programmers/beginners ?
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19:22 geoffb ArchDist, you may want #perl instead.  #perl6 is for development of the Perl 6 compiler
19:22 Khisanth learning perl and beginning perl
19:23 Limbic_Region ArchDist - http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=284175
19:23 Limbic_Region perlbot learn perl
19:23 perlbot http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/
19:24 ArchDist geoffb: thanks !
19:24 geoffb In the Perl Training BOF at OSCON Portland, it was pointed out that LP assumes the user programs in some other language already, which the authors freely admitted
19:24 geoffb ArchDist, np
19:25 geoffb hmmm . . .
19:25 ArchDist yeah LP is not great for non programmers and perl for dummies sucks
19:26 ArchDist thanks !
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19:26 geoffb perlbot, #perl6 is for development of the Perl 6 compiler; #perl is for general Perl questions and discussion
19:26 perlbot added #perl6 to the database
19:26 geoffb perlbot, tell geoffb about #perl6
19:26 geoffb I should have thought of that a long time ago
19:27 geoffb Anyone know if there's a shorter way to give that command?
19:28 Khisanth which?
19:29 geoffb "tell nick about topic"
19:29 pmurias Could i get a feather account Juerd ,please?
19:29 Khisanth you could do perlbot #perl6 > geoffb
19:29 geoffb perlbot #perl6 > geoffb
19:29 geoffb perlbot #perl6
19:29 perlbot for development of the Perl 6 compiler; #perl is for general Perl questions and discussion
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19:30 geoffb It would be nice if it left the leading "#perl6 is" in
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19:30 geoffb (and thanks, Khisanth )
19:31 Khisanth perlbot: forget #perl6
19:31 perlbot removed #perl6 from the database
19:31 Khisanth perlbot, #perl6 is #perl6 is for development of the Perl 6 compiler; #perl is for general Perl questions and discussion
19:31 perlbot added #perl6 to the database
19:31 Khisanth :P
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19:32 geoffb (w00t!  /me just changed made several different pieces of his code lie to the rest of the app, and it all just worked the first time.  Unbelievable.)
19:32 r0nny yo
19:32 geoffb Khisanth, :-)
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19:58 geoffb Man, my heart gets an adrenaline hit every time I have to drop a DB table . . . .
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20:00 geoffb Norm!
20:00 geoffb er,
20:00 geoffb nothingmuch@
20:00 nothingmuch hi
20:00 nothingmuch any news
20:00 nothingmuch ?
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20:01 geoffb Not a huge amount.  Autrijus is hacking and docing, so all is good right now.
20:02 geoffb And I'm multitasking $work, #perl6, and gjbforth, so as to reduce the $work pain.  :-)
20:03 nothingmuch when work is a pain i actually spend less time on the compu
20:03 nothingmuch work *is* a pain right now
20:03 nothingmuch and I'm doing some catalyst stuff
20:03 nothingmuch no brain power for anything else
20:03 geoffb nodnod
20:03 nothingmuch (computer related)
20:03 geoffb That implies Catalyst doesn't require much brain power?
20:03 nothingmuch instead i built some shelves and i'm replacing the straw seats in  our 11 year old chairs with wooden seats
20:04 nothingmuch no, it means that after catalyst I have nothing left ;-)
20:04 nothingmuch built shelves... beh
20:04 nothingmuch sanded
20:04 geoffb :-)
20:04 nothingmuch and installed
20:04 nothingmuch the seats require some sawing, but nothing complicated
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20:13 svnbot6 r7810 | iblech++ | * Usual svn props.
20:13 svnbot6 r7810 | iblech++ | * t/syntax/unicode.t: Added tests for Unicode subroutines, methods, parameters
20:13 svnbot6 r7810 | iblech++ |   and placeholder variables ($^foo).
20:13 svnbot6 r7810 | iblech++ | * t/syntax/parsing/gt.t: While adding these tests I found a bug:
20:13 svnbot6 r7810 | iblech++ |     ~< foo bar>  # does not parse (as does +<...>).
20:13 svnbot6 r7810 | iblech++ | * t/pugsbugs/class_name_and_attribute_name_confliction.t:
20:13 svnbot6 r7810 | iblech++ |   * s/method BUILD/submethod BUILD/
20:13 svnbot6 r7810 | iblech++ |   * Removed the eval() guards, as these cause that no single .update method
20:13 svnbot6 r7810 | iblech++ |     is called (as the code inside the eval()s doesn't resolve the classnames of
20:13 svnbot6 r7810 | iblech++ |     its outer scope as classes, but as subroutine names --
20:13 svnbot6 r7810 | iblech++ |         class Foo {...};
20:13 svnbot6 r7810 | iblech++ |         eval 'Foo.new';  # parsed as Foo().new, not ::Foo.new
20:13 svnbot6 r7810 | iblech++ |   * Added inline XXX comments pointing to the "$var not captured" problems.
20:13 svnbot6 r7810 | iblech++ |     Also added some more comments.
20:15 nothingmuch woah
20:16 xerox (++)++
20:16 pmurias Shoud a perl6 tutorial teach 'no strict' code
20:16 nothingmuch pmurias: probably not
20:17 nothingmuch the things that require unstricting are not what you teach in a tutorial
20:17 PerlJam pmurias: depends on how the tutorial is bent.
20:17 stevan is there such a thing in perl6?
20:17 pmurias it wouldn't have to introduce my early on
20:17 PerlJam stevan: sure.
20:17 stevan hola nothingmuch
20:17 nothingmuch hola stevan
20:17 nothingmuch http://www.kiva.org/index.php
20:17 nothingmuch boingboing is making me happy
20:17 nothingmuch i thought it would be too much
20:18 PerlJam pmurias: If it's a tutorial on "how to do perl6 one-liners" or "obfuscation in perl6", then no strict is probably okay  :)
20:18 stevan PerlJam: what is no strict in perl6/
20:19 pmurias Is there a way to read in input without the =$IN syntax?
20:19 PerlJam stevan: while stricture is the default, perl certainly isn't going to hold you to it if you tell it not to.
20:20 PerlJam pmurias: $IN.read() or some such.
20:20 pmurias my $name = =$IN; # is strange indead
20:20 PerlJam pmurias: (assuming you meant without unary =)
20:20 nothingmuch hmm?
20:20 nothingmuch unary = is lazy, isn't it?
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20:21 integral sure not in item context though?
20:21 stevan PerlJam: well I guess I just didnt think there were strictures in perl6
20:21 nothingmuch i would think
20:21 nothingmuch err, sorry
20:21 integral *surely
20:21 nothingmuch i would think it would simply generate a list
20:21 nothingmuch that in scalar context becomes an array ref
20:21 nothingmuch and this list contains $IN (no data read)
20:22 integral hmm, I thought = was just the general read-and-advance for an iterator
20:22 pmurias $IN.read() dosn't work
20:22 pmurias :(
20:22 PerlJam stevan: oh no.  perl6 will default to the moral equivalent of "use strict" unless you tell it not to (there are various ways) or you're writing something on the command line.
20:22 PerlJam pmurias: maybe it's readlin()
20:22 PerlJam pmurias: maybe it's unimplemented :)
20:23 nothingmuch pmurias: look in t/builtins/io
20:23 pmurias it's readline
20:23 pmurias souns pythonic
20:23 stevan PerlJam: I get all that,.. but I just dont recall reading anything which said "this will be only available under "no strict""
20:23 nothingmuch we still have circumfix <>
20:24 PerlJam stevan: as usual "evil behavior" will only be available under "no strict"  :)
20:24 nothingmuch hmm.. maybe we don't. I did see it though
20:24 nothingmuch somewhere
20:24 nothingmuch it conflicts with <quote words> now
20:25 stevan PerlJam: seems to me there is plenty of evil behavior available under strict too ;)
20:25 PerlJam stevan: yeah, but it's differently evil.  Only truly evil stuff (like code that Damian would write) is available under "no strict"   ;)
20:25 pmurias maybe 'use very strict;' should be implemented :)
20:26 nothingmuch oh wait, filehandles in iterator context are read
20:26 nothingmuch s03 on unary =
20:26 PerlJam nothingmuch: yeah, but which is lazy?
20:26 nothingmuch iterator context is always lazy
20:26 PerlJam for $IN -> $line { ... }  # not lazy?
20:26 pmurias why is not declaring variables in <10 line scripts considered evil ?
20:27 PerlJam for =$IN -> $line { ... }  # lazy?
20:27 nothingmuch yes
20:27 nothingmuch for $in -> $line { }; # i'm not sure that work
20:27 nothingmuch s
20:27 PerlJam good.  I'm not confused (this week)
20:27 nothingmuch but the second is definately lazy
20:29 PerlJam nothingmuch: and  for *=$IN -> $line { ... }   # ?  :-)
20:29 nothingmuch weep
20:29 nothingmuch cry
20:29 nothingmuch i haven't done any OO in perl 6 yet
20:29 r0nny yo
20:29 nothingmuch so i don't really remember
20:29 nothingmuch can't find it now iether
20:29 PerlJam And I guess  for **=$IN -> $line { ... }  # would read STDIN at compile time? ;)
20:30 nothingmuch and I should really be finishing important stuff
20:30 nothingmuch heh
20:30 nothingmuch for BEGIN { *=$IN } -> $line { ... }
20:30 nothingmuch the ircbots have a wonderful example
20:30 PerlJam does that work?
20:30 nothingmuch my $started = BEGIN { time() }
20:30 eric256 pmurias because 10 line scripts often grow later
20:30 nothingmuch my $uptime = time() - BEGIN { time() };
20:31 eric256 plus habits learned in 10 line scripts are used later in bigger projects
20:31 nothingmuch that is supposed to work
20:31 PerlJam does anyone else think we should have a thunk operator that BEGIN,CHECK,INIT,END,etc. specialize to get their particular behaviors?
20:32 eric256 ?eval my $started = BEGIN { time() };   say "Took " ~ (time- $started) ~ "seconds to compile
20:32 evalbot_7810 Error:  unexpected "\"" expecting block construct, ":", block, "\\", "$!", "$/", "$", "\"", term postfix, operator, postfix conditional, postfix loop, postfix iteration, ";" or end of input
20:32 eric256 ?eval my $started = BEGIN { time() };   say "Took " ~ (time- $started) ~ "seconds to compile"
20:32 evalbot_7810 Took 0.047528seconds to compile bool::true
20:33 azuroth for =$IN lazy? does that mean it'll only try to read from it once every loop, instead of putting it into a big array and iterating...?
20:33 PerlJam btw, I'm *so* glad that I'm not writing a parser for perl6 ;)
20:33 PerlJam azuroth: aye.
20:33 r0nny nothingmuch: do u know a good way, to eval files with a :lang<yaml> and fetch the result ?
20:33 azuroth cool. just checking :-)
20:33 PerlJam azuroth: reads happen as needed instead of all at once.
20:34 eric256 my $data = eval $file, :lang<yaml>   ?
20:34 kolibrie think you need a slurp($file)
20:34 r0nny azuroth: i broke Prelude.pm with a more recent version
20:35 azuroth I don't mind :-)
20:35 nothingmuch r0nny: no, i haven't done that yet
20:35 eric256 i assumed the file was in $file, not a file handle or name. but yes my $data = eval slurp($file), :lang<yaml>
20:37 azuroth is slurp lazy...? :D
20:37 r0nny hmm
20:37 r0nny odd
20:38 * azuroth away, ad TAFE
20:40 r0nny for some reason eval brekas if i call a method on a string like "filemane".fslurp where fslurp is a multi sub returns the result of slurp on a file
20:42 r0nny is there a way, to output Prelude.pm ?
20:43 svnbot6 r7811 | iblech++ | New docs/quickref/sub:
20:43 svnbot6 r7811 | iblech++ | * Moved some of docs/quickref/control into quickref/sub.
20:43 svnbot6 r7811 | iblech++ | * Documented basic declaration, named,positional and required,optional and
20:43 svnbot6 r7811 | iblech++ |   slurpy params, and specifying the declaration scope.
20:43 Juerd autrijus++
20:43 Juerd autrijus++
20:43 Juerd autrijus++
20:43 webmind heh
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20:48 r0nny again : is there a way, to output Prelude.pm ?
20:50 eric256 r0nny....what do you mean?
20:50 eric256 src/perl6/Prelude.pm
20:51 r0nny it tells there is an error in prelude.pm, if i run a special script
20:52 r0nny btw - is there a way to run pir files ?
20:54 r0nny oh - parro just needed more time
20:55 r0nny and it cant find open :/
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21:00 xinming a mouse just bit my finger... So... another sleepless night... :-/
21:01 eric256 r0nny...i don't think i'm alone when i say....????????? what?
21:02 r0nny eric256: after it failed with pugs i used pugscc to generate a pir file, and ran it with parrot - the result was it couldnt find open
21:02 rafl_ Juerd: ping
21:02 Juerd pong, but seeing autrijus do VB Rocketh
21:02 Juerd not too responsive
21:02 Juerd and typing while watching the beamer screen
21:03 Juerd I have no idea if I make typos
21:03 Juerd Can't blink, will miss slides
21:03 Juerd s.will.would.
21:03 Limbic_Region oh the PerlMongers meeting is going on right now?
21:04 Juerd yes
21:04 rafl_ Juerd: I don't care as long as you read what I write. feather is there to do irc but it's for perl6 stuff only. Is it also OK to be on non-perl channels, etc?
21:04 Juerd iff you are also on perl 6 channels, and active in them
21:04 rafl_ Hm.. autrijus should give a talk on our pm..
21:04 rafl_ autrijus: Hey, wanna give a talk for chemnitz.pm? ;-)
21:04 Juerd his pugs talk is *the* *best* *talk* I've *ever* seen so far
21:05 rafl_ Where are the slides?
21:05 Juerd scan logs for .xul
21:05 Juerd But the slides are really not enough
21:05 rafl_ /lastlog xul gives me nothing.
21:05 xerox Juerd: is there a video?
21:05 xerox rafl_: pugscode.org -> slides ?
21:05 Juerd I had seen them, but the experience of seeing autrijus do the entire presentation is... hard to describe
21:06 Juerd xerox: nafaik
21:06 xerox :(
21:07 eric256 http://colabti.de/irclogger//irclogger_log_search/perl6?search=xul&amp;action=search&amp;timespan=&amp;text=checked
21:09 pmurias Juerd could I have a feather account, please?
21:09 Juerd pmurias: request it by email
21:09 Juerd pmurias: include real name and requested username
21:09 Juerd make sure the mail address stays valid for the rest of your life
21:09 Juerd or at least feather's
21:10 rafl_ Juerd: again. Is ircing on nonperl6 channels OK on feather? Just to be sure.
21:10 Juerd rafl_: 22:09 < Juerd> iff you are also on perl 6 channels, and active in them
21:10 Juerd rafl_: I hoped that would be clear
21:10 Juerd If not, please specify
21:11 rafl_ Juerd: Ok, overread it. I'm also on #perl6 and #parrot.
21:11 xerox what is feather ?
21:12 Juerd xerox: A machine
21:13 rafl_ feather.perl6.nl.
21:16 xerox Oh!
21:16 xerox autrijus: you posted a nymphaea shot in the Haskell presentation!  Cool, thanks!
21:17 eric256 Juerd is kind enough to donate shell accounts on it for us poor folks to play with feather on
21:17 integral is there anyone planning to pugs things at LPW?
21:17 Juerd eric256: practically, the entire machine is donated
21:17 Juerd eric256: I don't use it for any business stuff. It's dedicated to Perl 6
21:18 Juerd haskell talk now
21:18 eric256 Juerd: is there a way for me to run perl6 scripts as cgi scripts on my feather account?
21:18 Juerd autrijus++  # three talks in a row
21:18 Juerd eric256: see http://feather.perl6.nl/, the faq
21:18 geoffb How long is each one, Juerd ?
21:18 Juerd CGI is language independent
21:18 Juerd geoffb: Depends on the talk
21:18 Juerd geoffb: pugs one was long, vb one was short
21:19 geoffb ah
21:19 pmurias I wrote first 75 lines of my perl6 tutorial :)
21:19 xerox I mean the slide 251 of http://pugscode.org/talks/euroscon05/haskell.xul -- yay! :D
21:19 eric256 juerd. by CGI i meant how do i execute a script in on my feather account as a CGI.... i don't know how different to say this
21:20 eric256 we don't have cgi-bin folders so where would scripts go?
21:20 Juerd eric256: Do the apache thing, find the cgi-bin folder.
21:20 Juerd Run your own apache.
21:20 eric256 hmmm....if i must
21:20 Juerd If you want to do more than static files, then yes.
21:20 Juerd suexec sucks, error logs are global.
21:21 Juerd So you have to have your own apache.
21:21 eric256 alright
21:21 geoffb Juerd, is mod_proxy running on feather's main apache?
21:21 Juerd geoffb: Yes
21:21 Juerd geoffb: I'll allow .htaccess soon
21:21 geoffb Then he can run his own apache, but proxy requests through, and outside users would never know.  :-)
21:21 Juerd And you want mod_rewrite too, I guess ;)
21:21 geoffb coo
21:22 geoffb yeah, duh, been a while since I had to set that up
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21:27 Juerd done
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21:29 geoffb Juerd, just a random thought -- may want to note somewhere that people should through personal Apaches at non-conflicting ports, say 8000 + uid
21:29 geoffb er throw
21:29 Juerd geoffb: See the s/// in the instructions
21:29 Juerd It's 7000 + uid, though
21:29 Juerd Because uids start at 1000 ;)
21:30 geoffb Juerd, ah, nevermind, I wasn't reading docs, just thought of that while doing something else
21:30 Juerd I expect people to be able to read perl (and to do so)
21:30 geoffb :-)
21:35 eric256 i get an error cannot open access.log file when trying the copy command
21:36 eric256 thats in refernce to http://feather.perl6.nl/ and directions to get my own Apache
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21:42 Juerd  
21:42 Juerd eric256: Ignore it.
21:43 eric256 hah. i didn't even look i thought it didn't copy any files. /me slaps forhead
21:46 eric256 thanks for enduring my stupidity juerd ;)
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22:16 svnbot6 r7812 | iblech++ | docs/quickref:
22:16 svnbot6 r7812 | iblech++ | * sub: Wrote about is rw, is copy, rebinding parameters
22:16 svnbot6 r7812 | iblech++ |   (sub foo ($var) { $var := $some_other_var }), and the Proxy class.
22:16 svnbot6 r7812 | iblech++ | * namespace: Minor improvements to the section about binding.
22:16 svnbot6 r7812 | iblech++ | * op:
22:16 svnbot6 r7812 | iblech++ |   * Added "eqv" to the list of ops.
22:16 svnbot6 r7812 | iblech++ |   * Clarified example usage of &item.
22:16 svnbot6 r7812 | iblech++ |   * Added example of &infix:<..> working with char ranges ("a".."z").
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22:41 svnbot6 r7813 | stevan++ | Perl6::ObjectSpace -
22:41 svnbot6 r7813 | stevan++ | * added &is_empty to list (to make life easier)
22:41 svnbot6 r7813 | stevan++ | * opaque now enforces the use of symbol types in get/set_attr
22:41 svnbot6 r7813 | stevan++ | * added many more methods to the Bootstrap, I am about half-way
22:41 svnbot6 r7813 | stevan++ |   finished with converting Metamorph.pm. I have also added Perl 6
22:41 svnbot6 r7813 | stevan++ |   versions of each method as I go along, they could probably use
22:41 svnbot6 r7813 | stevan++ |   some work though.
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23:37 r0nny ping?
23:38 r0nny is there a string method for prepending another string ?
23:39 geoffb I dunno if it exists yet, but I'd guess .splice(0, 0, $prepend)
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23:51 r0nny OMG
23:51 r0nny these is a evalfile stitting in prelude since ages :/
23:52 eric256 $x ~= "hello"
23:53 eric256 r0nny, sure, but how hard is it to make your own eval file?  sbu evalfile ($filename) { return eval slurp($filename) };
23:53 r0nny eric256: it allways fails for a yaml file
23:54 r0nny tells syntax error at prelude
23:56 r0nny well - it dies on pir stuff
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23:56 teddyns hi all
23:57 teddyns does anyone any idea when perl6 might be stable ?
23:57 r0nny yeah
23:57 teddyns about 3-4 months ?
23:57 r0nny but they dont take my ideas very serious ;P
23:57 teddyns :p
23:57 teddyns just a guess ?
23:57 r0nny dont guess
23:58 r0nny expect nothing till it goes bang, and perl6 is there
23:58 teddyns do u think is it ready for production ?
23:59 r0nny no
23:59 r0nny its not even fully implemented atm

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