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07:26 christopher How do I disambiguate between class and instance attributes within a method definition?
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07:31 gaal christopher: you mean if they have the same name? not sure, but probably $foo means instance and $ThisClass::foo means class. $.foo and $!foo certainly mean instance vars.
07:32 gaal (when I say "certainly" about language matters I usually mean "I would be quite surprised unless")
07:33 christopher yeah, if they have the same name.  So I say: our $.x; to declare the class attribute, but $Foo.x inside one of the instance methods? (where $.x would shadow with
07:33 christopher the instance attribute)
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07:34 christopher where Foo is the class name
07:35 gaal I don't think you say our $.x
07:35 gaal say either our $x or my $x for public/private class data.
07:36 gaal hopefully I'll be corrected if I'm wrong about this.
07:36 christopher 'our $.x' is in S12, if you search for the string 'class attr'
07:37 gaal hmm
07:38 gaal well, I don't know then. :-/
07:40 christopher I haven't actually seen $Foo.bar written anywhere.
07:40 christopher Foo.bar appears in t/oo/attributes/class.t, but that's for
07:40 christopher the accessor by the same name, of course...
07:42 christopher I suppose $::?CLASS.bar would be safe?
07:43 gaal that would work if accessors had been created, that is if you declared it with a twigil.
07:44 christopher I want to access the variable, not the accessor (which may not be an lvalue sub)
07:44 gaal If not, $ThisClass::bar, for our vars at least.
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07:47 gaal Better ask Luke when he pops in.
07:47 christopher You mean the . has to be replaced with :: to get past the accessor?
07:47 christopher (since it doesn't work that way for instance attributes, I'm surprised.)
07:47 christopher (I thought it was the leading sigil that determined whether you were
07:47 christopher using an accessor.)
07:48 christopher anyway, thanks!
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08:06 christopher Ah, it's illegal:
08:06 christopher http://groups.google.com/group/perl.perl6.language​/browse_thread/thread/d3d66e69aa3d5f6d/132aa650cd7​40395?q=class+instance&rnum=9#132aa650cd740395
08:06 christopher (for there to be a conflict between instance and class attributes)
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09:59 r0nny yo
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11:18 r0nny yo
11:18 r0nny does pugs support meta pbjects now ?
11:19 r0nny ping?
11:34 broquaint ?eval Object.new().meta.perl
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11:34 evalbot_7968 Error: No compatible subroutine found: "&meta"
11:34 broquaint I guess not.
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12:41 raptorXXX is there perldoc equivalent in haskell ?
12:41 rafl haddock
12:41 raptorXXX http://wiki.perlchina.org/mai​n/show/haskell+workshop+2005
12:41 raptorXXX this can be interesting...
12:41 raptorXXX thanx
12:42 raptorXXX where is this haddock?
12:42 raptorXXX i cant seem there is such command .. ghc
12:42 raptorXXX aaa i see
12:42 theorbtwo 1: I'm not quite sure I'd call them equivelent.
12:42 raptorXXX it is in a package
12:43 theorbtwo 2: It comes sepperately.
12:43 raptorXXX yep, thanx
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12:45 gaal raptorXXX: see also http://haskell.org/hoogle/
12:45 raptorXXX :) thanx
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12:48 raptorXXX one more questions...is there any equivalent of a Hash and HoH,AoA..etc.. structures in haskel
12:48 raptorXXX FiniteMap?!
12:49 SamB raptorXXX: we usually use Data.Map since GHC 6.4
12:49 raptorXXX aha..i see
12:49 raptorXXX FiniteMap is depricated
12:49 SamB raptorXXX: what is an AoA?
12:50 raptorXXX Array of arrays, HoA, AoH ..etc
12:50 SamB raptorXXX: just nest the types...
12:51 raptorXXX ok.. i will try ,tnx
12:52 SamB so, like, Map String (Map String Int) or something like that
12:52 SamB there are a bunch of array types, though
12:54 raptorXXX this haskell seem very cool, perl6 will stole alot of things isnt it :))
12:55 GeJ erm, I guess the word you're looking for is "borrow"... sounds better :)
12:55 raptorXXX :)
12:55 theorbtwo Or "steal", which has the correct tense.
12:58 * SamB prefers "steal"
12:59 raptorXXX i've read abit about Types in Haskell... do we have something like it in perl6
13:00 raptorXXX roles ? may be ?
13:02 theorbtwo I think haskell types map more or less onto perl6 types.
13:02 theorbtwo Not completely sure about parameterization, though.
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13:10 xinming ?eval [+] [1..100]
13:10 evalbot_7968 [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100]
13:10 xinming ?eval [+] (1..100)
13:10 evalbot_7968 5050
13:11 xinming hmm, should [1..100] be deferenced?
13:11 theorbtwo I don't think so.
13:11 rafl ?eval [+] *[1..100]
13:11 evalbot_7968 5050
13:11 theorbtwo It should possibly be nummified, but possibly not.
13:12 theorbtwo (Since there was only one argument, the operator drops out, in one way of thinking.)
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13:24 xinming ?eval [~~] [1..10]
13:24 evalbot_7968 bool::true
13:24 xinming ?eval [~~] (1..10)
13:24 evalbot_7968 bool::false
13:24 xinming hmm
13:25 theorbtwo Blink... when did we get a ~~ operator?
13:26 * theorbtwo smacks his head.
13:27 theorbtwo Um, like 3 years ago... I'm using a strange font, for me...
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13:30 xinming oops
13:30 xinming ?eval [~] (1..10]
13:30 evalbot_7968 Error:  unexpected "(" expecting block construct, ":", digit, "_", fraction, exponent, term postfix, operator, "does", "but", "is", "^..^", "cmp", "<=>", "^..", "..^", "..", ")", postfix conditional, postfix loop, postfix iteration, ";" or end of input
13:30 xinming ?eval [~] (1..10)
13:30 evalbot_7968 "12345678910"
13:31 xinming found perl 6 has many aspects which are the same as haskell
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17:27 Juerd kolibrie++  # dvorak :)
17:27 Juerd kolibrie: Spread the word :)
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18:38 kolibrie Juerd: yes sir!
18:40 kolibrie Juerd: my wife started your tutorial
18:41 Juerd Good! We certainly need more female dvorak typists, because they tend to be much more succesful in convincing others.
18:41 Juerd :)
18:42 svnbot6 r7969 | yiyihu++ | Changed the value of lang attribute in <html> to "zh-cn" in file docs/zh-cn/01Overview.html
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19:08 sdakota Moo :)
19:08 sdakota Hello guys :)
19:10 dduncan and hello to you
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19:58 Aankhen`` G'night.
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21:50 raptorXXX how to use perl5 modules in pugs..?
21:50 raptorXXX #!/usr/bin/pugs    
21:50 raptorXXX use DBI--perl5;
21:50 raptorXXX is this correct..
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21:52 PerlJam raptorXXX: what happens when you try it?  :)
21:52 raptorXXX pugs: *** Can't locate DBI.pm in @*INC (@*INC contains: /usr/lib/perl6/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl6 /usr/lib/perl6/site_perl/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl6/site_perl /usr/lib/perl6/auto/pugs/perl6/lib /usr/lib/perl6/site_perl/auto/pugs/perl6/lib .).
21:52 raptorXXX    at <interactive> line 1, column 1
21:53 kolibrie use perl5:DBI;
21:53 raptorXXX But this is ok :--->
21:53 raptorXXX use perl5:DBI; my $dbh = DBI.connect('dbi:SQLite:test.db');
21:53 raptorXXX i see
21:53 raptorXXX so the second way is the correct one
21:53 kolibrie :)
21:56 integral did you find the "DBI--perl5" in a file in the pugs source?
21:58 integral hmm, seems not :)
22:00 wolverian integral, that was a suggestion on p6l - to put the perl version in the author field
22:00 gaal it used to work that way when the bridge was first put up.
22:01 integral hmm?  I know.  I was just wondering where raptorXXX found the old syntax.  I thought it might have been a presentation that was stored in the pugs tree.  If it was I was going to fix it :)
22:01 gaal ahh ok
22:01 integral it's in the 6.2.8 changelog :)
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22:02 raptorXXX no i read it
22:02 wolverian integral, ah, okay.
22:02 xgl 'darcs get' seems improbably slow -- is it a known issue?
22:02 integral raptorXXX: where?
22:02 raptorXXX in haskell-workshop-2005
22:02 raptorXXX http://wiki.perlchina.org/mai​n/show/haskell+workshop+2005
22:03 Khisanth better to stick with the pugs docs :)
22:03 integral except where pugs is behind the design :)
22:04 Khisanth integral: doesn't matter then, I don't think you can run perl6 anywhere else ...
22:04 integral hmm, that seems to just be a copy of autrijus' proposed paper for hw,  which iirc is in pugs svn?
22:04 raptorXXX where i can see more info for class-name-definitions 'cause i saw weird syntax .. one moment to find it
22:05 Khisanth raptorXXX: docs/quickref should have most of these things covered
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22:06 raptorXXX aha..
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22:24 wolverian ?eval 2**2
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22:24 evalbot_7969 4/1
22:24 wolverian humm, what's up with the /1?
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22:30 geoffb wolverian -- that's a Rat, but I'm not sure why int ** int -> rat, frankly.
22:31 geoffb maybe a coersion back and forth from a floating point rep.
22:32 wolverian is it int ** int?
22:32 wolverian ?eval 2 ** 0.25
22:32 evalbot_7969 1.189207115002721
22:32 wolverian right, no /1 there
22:33 wolverian (yeah, I don't know enough haskell. :/)
22:34 SamB well, if you do 0.25, doesn't that make it a float?
22:34 SamB well, in Haskell it just makes it some instance of Fractional...
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23:12 leo rafl: (inline-threading) the paper describes also a lot of plain code rewriting, which is (as proof of concept) already inside src/pic.c
23:14 * leo ponders about renaming .pbc to .pwc (.. word code)
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23:15 leo (but that belongs better to #parrot ...&)
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