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04:31 svnbot6 r7976 | yiyihu++ | typo in Chinese character.
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07:14 svnbot6 r7977 | stevan++ | Perl6::ObjectSpace -
07:14 svnbot6 r7977 | stevan++ | * create type::equivalence module, and refactored
07:14 svnbot6 r7977 | stevan++ |   type::comparable to use it.
07:14 svnbot6 r7977 | stevan++ | * symbol uses type::equivalence
07:14 svnbot6 r7977 | stevan++ | * closure::params uses type::equivalence
07:14 svnbot6 r7977 | stevan++ |     - added tests for this
07:14 svnbot6 r7977 | stevan++ | * closure::signature uses type::equivalence
07:14 svnbot6 r7977 | stevan++ |     - added tests for this
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09:07 nothingmuch autrijus: ping
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09:30 autrijus nothingmuch: pong
09:31 nothingmuch enable comments on your latest journal =)
09:31 nothingmuch and register for osdc.org.il
09:31 nothingmuch i submitted perl 6 compilation, and a catalyst tutorial
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09:43 autrijus enable comments? it's already enabled
09:43 autrijus maybe you did not log in use.perl?
09:45 autrijus re osdc, sure, doing it now
09:45 nothingmuch i did
09:45 nothingmuch i don't see anywhere to post
09:46 autrijus http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=29498&threshold=-1&mode=nested&commentsort=0&op=Reply
09:46 autrijus family dinner, bbiab
09:47 nothingmuch oh, wait... brain fart
09:47 autrijus figured :)
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09:51 nothingmuch btw, is TheLarry still coming?
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09:54 nothingmuch hmm... i wonder if szabgab should announce on http://jolug.org/ too
10:02 * nothingmuch also submitted darcs intro
10:03 nothingmuch i wonder if I should also do testing tutorial
10:03 nothingmuch naah
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10:44 r0nny yo
10:44 luqui whatup
10:47 theorbtwo luqui: use.perl.org/~autrijus/journal/
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11:02 r0nny how long till the meta method is supported ?
11:09 luqui r0nny, well, a while
11:09 luqui considering that stevan is still working on what it means
11:11 r0nny hmm
11:12 nothingmuch hola luqui
11:12 luqui buenos dias
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14:29 svnbot6 r7978 | iblech++ | * Usual svn props.
14:29 svnbot6 r7978 | iblech++ | * t/syntax/interpolation/strings.t: \x[42,43,44] and similar forms,
14:29 svnbot6 r7978 | iblech++ |   per r6622 of S02 and Larry:
14:29 svnbot6 r7978 | iblech++ |   http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.language/24085
14:29 svnbot6 r7978 | iblech++ | * t/packages/use_perl_6.t: "use v6" is short for "use Perl-6",
14:29 svnbot6 r7978 | iblech++ |   per r6622 of S11.
14:29 svnbot6 r7978 | iblech++ | * New t/operators/subscript_adverbs.t:
14:29 svnbot6 r7978 | iblech++ |     @array[13,17]:kv
14:29 svnbot6 r7978 | iblech++ |     @array[13,17]:p
14:29 svnbot6 r7978 | iblech++ |     etc.  # per r6622 of S02
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14:48 Juerd nice++  # makes feather not go crazy
14:48 Juerd [feather users]++  # understand this
14:50 webmind heh
14:51 webmind indeed :)
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15:04 xinming ?eval class A { method a { "test" }}; A.new.test
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15:04 evalbot_7978 Error: No compatible subroutine found: "&test"
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15:04 evalbot_7978 "test"
15:05 xinming ?eval class A { method a { $?SELF.b } method b { "test" }}; A.new.a
15:05 evalbot_7978 "test"
15:10 xinming anyone here ? It seems that submethod and my method these 2 has the same effect. :-/
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15:18 xinming Oh,I'm wrong, private method can't be invoked outside directly.
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17:19 stevan autrijus: ping # welcome back
17:23 autrijus stevan: hey
17:23 * autrijus wonders why stevan always shows up just before bedtime here
17:27 autrijus anyway... I've been chasing the various Syn changes (iblech++ for reflecting them to the tree), as well as your P6::OS work.
17:27 autrijus going to sleep, will be up and about tomorrow night, hailing from another city (Kaohsiung this time), at around 18~20 hours from now
17:28 autrijus see ya :) &
17:29 Juerd autrijus: wb
17:31 stevan night autrijus :)
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17:31 * stevan curses the rotation of the earth ... damn timezones
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17:41 * xinming says "Give me a place to stand on, and I will rotate the earth." :-P
17:42 Juerd Please do not change the axis without permission.
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19:39 r0nny is there a way, to define a method takes only arguments apply to a special role ?
19:39 svnbot6 r7979 | iblech++ | * Pugs.Parser: Parse the till operator (and ^till and till^). (till is, per
19:40 svnbot6 r7979 | iblech++ |   r6612 of S03, the new flipflop operator.)
19:40 svnbot6 r7979 | iblech++ | * New t/operators/till.t: Basic tests for till, ^till, and till^.
19:40 svnbot6 r7979 | iblech++ |   Open questions:
19:40 svnbot6 r7979 | iblech++ |   * Do subroutines' flipflop operators have a per-invocation-of-the-sub state?
19:40 svnbot6 r7979 | iblech++ |   * Does calling via the subroutine form (&infix:<till>(LHS, RHS)) work?
19:40 svnbot6 r7979 | iblech++ |     (Problem being the state, which would have to be maintained.)
19:40 svnbot6 r7979 | iblech++ |     Does &infix:<till> have a %state hash, with $CALLER::POSITION as keys?
19:41 r0nny hello ?
19:54 xinming r0nny: hmm, Could you please tell me what this is used for?
19:54 xinming r0nny: Just now I was in bath room
19:56 r0nny i defined some roles, and i want pass classes are made from them to some of their methods - how to do this best ?
19:56 r0nny cause it should be limited only to these
19:58 rafl Make all those classes inherit from a given class or implement a given interface or something like that.
19:58 r0nny hmm
19:59 r0nny i think atm applies the folowing to me: "i dont see the woods cause of all the trees"
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20:04 svnbot6 r7980 | iblech++ | New t/subroutines/multidimensional_arglists.t: Test for the
20:04 svnbot6 r7980 | iblech++ | @;multidimension_argument_lists of r6624 of S06.pod.
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20:34 svnbot6 r7981 | iblech++ | * Pugs.Parser: Parse S06's @;multidimensional_arglist variables.
20:34 svnbot6 r7981 | iblech++ | * t/subroutines/multidimensional_arglists.t: Minor fix.
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20:49 geoffb iblech++ # yet again, for assiduously converting spec changes to test changes
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21:25 pmurias How much mathematical knowledge is required for 'Types and Programming Languages'?
21:25 wolverian hmm, so perl6 doesn't have a 'protected' visibility?
21:25 SamB pmurias: wouldn't that question be better asked in Haskell?
21:25 SamB er, #haskell
21:26 obra pmurias: it's my understanding that it start from first principles
21:31 pmurias it has examples in ML,is it required to understand the book?
21:32 obra autrijus claimed that it taught you the ML you needed
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21:34 gaal pmurias: I'm finding the OCaml much easier than the math, personally.
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21:42 pmurias Does it require knowledge of cathegoric theory?
21:46 gaal not as far as I've gotten in (2/5ths maybe)
21:47 gaal I think there's not a lot of math training needed as a prerequisite, except for the discipline to read slowly and not skip things.
21:48 integral one trick with maths is to make sure you do the exercises so you really do understand stuff before you move on
21:48 gaal you do need basic knowledge of sets; and I can imagine my reaction would be sheer horror if I'd never heard the term "lambda" before...
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21:49 pmurias gaal:i seen it in python
21:49 integral a quick browse of SICP (available from mitpress.mit.edu/sicp) would get you up to speed on lambdas via scheme
21:50 gaal knowing some haskell helped too. battling with new syntax AND new math can be hard :)
21:53 pmurias i know a bit haskell,not sure how to use it in something real,I'm comfortable with first-class functions,curring,cloures too...
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21:53 gaal i'd say dive in then :-)
21:54 gaal night everyone :)
21:54 SamB pmurias: well, you could always try working on something a bit less intimidating than a programming language implementation
21:55 SamB we have no shortage of projects to hack
21:57 pmurias It's not direcetly conected with by *distant* future plan of a haskell compiler,just want to add some theory to my mostl/entirly pracitcal programming knowledge
21:58 SamB pmurias: you just want theory? bah!
21:58 SamB Haskell is about getting things done!
21:59 pmurias Having learned the theory, of course I would be obliged to try it out :)
22:00 SamB use Haskell and the theory will come natural-like
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22:07 geoffb SamB, s/theory/insanity/
22:07 SamB geoffb: whats the difference?
22:08 geoffb One gets you high-paid jobs at universities and think tanks, and the other is theory?
22:08 SamB oh.
22:08 SamB so insanity gets you high-paid jobs at universities and think tanks?
22:09 geoffb Wouldn't you say so?  I mean, ever talked to a prof in person, or read anything published by a think tank?  :-)
22:10 SamB well, yes. not too much, but some!
22:10 SamB talking to profs, I mean.
22:10 SamB they don't seem too crazy.
22:11 * geoffb is a little wierded out by the concept of sane professors
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