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02:56 svnbot6 r7987 | lwall++ | my needs to work in conditionals and various other contexts
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05:46 svnbot6 r7988 | lwall++ | Random cleanup and commentary.  Switched to --> notation for type inferencer.
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06:44 j0sephi http://picasa.hu/1132728246-Grootvaderopstap.wmv ;-) :)
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07:34 svnbot6 r7989 | gaal++ | S29draft.pod: minor fixes
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08:16 svnbot6 r7990 | lwall++ | Added various number tests to align with S02.
08:18 GeJ larry is in the game? wh00t...
08:18 dduncan yes, has been for a few days at least
08:19 GeJ well, $work and $holidays went in the way... Have to catch up with what happened during the last 3 weeks...
08:19 GeJ Stevan is having a new pet project?
08:20 dduncan afaik, his current big project has been going on awhile
08:20 dduncan as I recall, he's the big metamodel person
08:20 GeJ "Perl6::ObjectSpace"
08:20 GeJ is this a sub-part of of MM2?
08:20 dduncan I suspect that's related to the perl 6 meta-model
08:21 dduncan said meta-model has multiple implementations, one in perl 5
08:22 dduncan I haven't looked at it much
08:22 GeJ oki, last time I checked, stevan made a proposal regarding eigenclasses and such on p6l... the welcome was not as warm as he expected... I have to figure out what happened since then.
08:23 dduncan as I recall, the meta-models and/or PIL2 are being merged into pugs now, which is the main change for the 6.28.0 release
08:24 dduncan so we have more mature object support
08:25 GeJ is pugs on preflight already? it seems quiet for a boarding time. Maybe it's just the check-in yet?
08:25 dduncan no it isn't, to my knowledge
08:25 dduncan I imagine a few weeks to go before the release
08:27 GeJ oki... well, I guess I'm going to start with the summarizes... then have a look at the MLs. thanks for the info. :)
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08:40 svnbot6 r7991 | kane++ | * add dependency syntax
08:40 svnbot6 r7991 | kane++ | * add more suggested tags
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12:05 svnbot6 r7992 | fglock++ | * /docs/notes/lazyness.txt - added more TODO sections
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12:10 wolverian laziness!!!
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12:23 GeJ With all this lazyness, I fear that the old joke saying that "@$%$%@$$%$$%@$%$$@%$" is a SMTP daemon in p5 turns into "$" being a full reimplementation of OpenOffice in P6 ;)
12:23 svnbot6 r7993 | scook0++ | * Un-break Haddock.
12:28 scook0_ GeJ: well, if P6 steals ideas from everywhere else, why not HQ9+ ? :-P
12:31 Juerd_ GeJ: No, that's sendmail syntax, not Perl 5 :)
12:31 GeJ :)
12:33 GeJ my mistake, sorry... :) is `cat /dev/urandom | head -n 666 > perl` more accurate for a fully featured implementation of a SMTP server?
12:34 autrijus I think you want | perl
12:34 GeJ mr. A, good evening... yes, I think a pipe would be better indeed...
12:36 Juerd_ And because of binary huffman coding, cat /dev/zero | pugs
12:36 Juerd_ :)
12:36 webmind although '>' would be just as effective :)
12:37 Juerd_ webmind: Certainly for code reuse :)
12:37 webmind or maybe even increase your chances :)
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12:39 Juerd_ Neat.
12:40 Juerd_ Ik maak voor het eerst stats van een webserver van 'n klantc
12:40 Juerd_ s/c$//
12:40 Juerd_ Eh, wrong channel
12:40 GeJ Juerd_: are you .nl or .de?
12:41 autrijus GeJ: greetings. are you going to be @ german perl workshop?
12:41 GeJ autrijus: do you know where I could find a schedule and a location?
12:42 Juerd_ GeJ: .nl
12:42 GeJ hum... good to know, I may have to remember you next time I receive a .nl message I don't understand ;)
12:42 autrijus GeJ: http://www.perl-workshop.de/2006/
12:44 GeJ autrijus: if I can find a colleague of mine to help me translate the english page... eventually. Early March, in Bochum's university I assume.
12:45 GeJ living in Munich and not being fluent in bavarian german (or in any kind of german for that matter) is not helping.
12:47 GeJ sounds like fun... I just hope I'll be able to attend. $work will be busy as hell for the next 6 months.
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12:49 GeJ autrijus: are you coming back to europe to attend the workshop?
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12:53 autrijus GeJ: yes, I'll be @ TelAviv from Feb14 (or so) until end of Feb
12:53 autrijus then go to german perl workshop
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13:51 r0nny yo
13:59 svnbot6 r7994 | rafl++ |  r19368@ata:  rafl | 2005-11-09 02:29:40 +0100
13:59 svnbot6 r7994 | rafl++ |  * tpr article: Removed the reference to pugs-modules package for Debian. pugs
13:59 svnbot6 r7994 | rafl++ |    depends on it anyway so you don't need to install it explicitly.
14:01 rafl Uh? Long time no commit. I made that change weeks ago..
14:01 r0nny yo rafl
14:01 r0nny any chages in the pkg tool ?
14:05 svnbot6 r7999 | rafl++ |  r22085@ata:  rafl | 2005-11-23 14:56:42 +0100
14:05 svnbot6 r7999 | rafl++ |  * Added a new control tag in S22draft: Enhances.
14:06 rafl svnbot6: I'm currently discussing with kane about that.
14:06 * Limbic_Region wonders if rafl knows that svnbot6 is a bot ;-)
14:08 rafl Limbic_Region: Actually.. yes.
14:08 rafl r0nny: I'm currently discussing with kane about that.
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14:53 Su-Shee Hi.
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15:00 Limbic_Region lo
15:18 stevan GeJ: re: Perl6::Object space,.. you can consider that MM-3.0-Gold Edition
15:18 GeJ stevan: thanks for backlogging :)
15:18 stevan GeJ: :)
15:19 stevan GeJ: it is an attempt to define some core runtime components for a backend agnositic MM to sit atop
15:19 stevan then of course a re-implementation of the MM using those core components
15:20 GeJ so, the integration of P6::OS will tag the 6.28.0 ?
15:20 stevan GeJ: possibly, there is much more thought needed to complete the P6::OS work
15:21 stevan I am not sure what autrijus's plans are regarding what will be in 6.28.0
15:22 stevan P6::OS will probably come in a later 6.28.* release
15:23 GeJ hum, okay... really need to get into p6l to see the related threads (as I assume that there are some... no?)
15:23 stevan GeJ: not really, the P6::OS has mostly been discussed here, and in my head :)
15:24 stevan it is an implementation detail, so p6l is not interested, it has nothing to do with parrot, so p6i is not interested
15:24 GeJ and since p6c is mostly here... oki, I see.
15:25 GeJ Note to self: spider the #pugs logs before leaving
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15:53 fglock commit #8000 !!!
15:53 svnbot6 r8000 | fglock++ | * /docs/notes/laziness.txt - filename fixed - wolverian++
15:58 Limbic_Region wooo hooo
16:08 fglock I've sent a mail to p6l asking if 'say 1..Inf' could output an infinite stream, instead of being an idle loop
16:10 fglock I'm not sure if the list received it
16:11 Limbic_Region it did
16:11 Limbic_Region just not answered yet
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16:12 Limbic_Region subject line "Lazy lists in Str context"
16:17 fglock Limbic_Region - ok thanks
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16:45 cdpruden hmmm.. so I can call a method from p6 in one file, but not in mine, it seems...
16:47 cdpruden err, sorry, wrong tab
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17:42 gaal Hi! Is there anyone here who considered coming to the hackathon/conference in Israel this coming February, but decided not to due to financial reasons? Please /msg or email me.
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17:47 fglock gaal: sure I'd like to go! (Financial reason == good reason)
17:51 fglock btw - I'm organizing YAPC::Brasil::2006 (april) and YAPC::SouthAmerica::2006 (november) - it would be nice if people would be able to come!
17:57 gaal fglock: ACK. note that my question carries no implied promise, unfortunately :)
17:58 gaal (we are still seeking sponsorship)
17:59 * kolibrie was thinking gaal had become extremely wealthy
18:00 gaal kolibrie: suuuure, $1M per svn ci :-)
18:01 kolibrie :)
18:03 * geoffb decides to start doing piles of trivial checkins ...
18:03 gaal geoffb: great! I'll write tests for them
18:04 geoffb heh
18:04 gaal actually no, that's a lot of work. I'll change indentation style, and then change my mind and change it back.
18:05 geoffb :-)
18:06 fglock gaal: :)
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18:36 xerox Hiya
18:36 xerox What was the zipWith version of ¥ ?
18:39 gaal I don't think we have one.
18:39 xerox >>op<< ?
18:39 xerox (But I can't find xor, a-la perl5 ^)
18:39 gaal hmm, come to think of it hyperops are kinda like zipWith!
18:40 xerox Indeed
18:40 xerox (At least that's how I understood it)
18:40 gaal xerox: xor like many ops has been rationalized. if you wany bitty xor, do +^
18:41 xerox '+[@.+]' xor '[))@_}' :-)
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18:42 xerox (Though the difference between string and lists threatens ...)
18:43 gaal ?eval '+[@.+]' ~^ '[))@_}'
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18:43 xerox ~ ?
18:43 gaal stringy xor
18:43 xerox 'stringy' ? :-)
18:44 gaal there's also ?^, booly xor
18:44 xerox I could find only 'xor' :-D
18:44 gaal or is that boolea xor? :-p
18:44 xerox I think it's 'boolean'
18:44 xerox ~ makes ops work on strings?
18:46 gaal 'xor' is a synonym for ^^, which is akin to &&, || etc.
18:46 xerox So there are: ~&, ?&, and so on?
18:46 gaal yes, exactly
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18:47 xerox Cool!
18:47 gaal this is to avoid ($input+0) & 7 etc.
18:47 gaal like you needed in p5 (and javascript too, I'm told)
18:48 gaal come to think of it i'm not sure i understand ^^.
18:48 xerox hehe.
18:48 xerox Maybe I should checkout and build a newer pugs.
18:48 gaal ah, i do i do.
18:48 gaal it returns the true one.
18:48 gaal or bool::false
18:48 gaal cute.
18:49 xerox What?
18:49 gaal now to find a place this is useful :-)
18:49 xerox Please elaborate on that :-)
18:49 gaal $x ^^ $y  => one of three possible values:
18:50 gaal (a) bool::false, if ?$x == ?$y
18:50 gaal (b) $x, if $x
18:50 gaal (c) $y, if $y
18:50 xerox Heh, what is the '?' about?
18:50 gaal booly context. :)
18:51 xerox Hah.
18:51 gaal ok ok boolean, but i'm feeling, ah, nicky.
18:51 xerox nickian! Err..
18:51 gaal anyway, Prim.hs:847 for The Answer
18:52 gaal Wittgenstein invented truth tables less than a hundred years ago and already we have this!
18:52 xerox Let's synchronize the sources..
18:53 gaal op2 "^^"
18:53 xerox Yes sure
18:54 xerox Some definition there are *so* tersely cute.
18:56 gaal I do wonder, though, if undef wasn't a better choice.
18:56 gaal not seeing the actual usage though, I don't know...
18:56 xerox Are there programs written in p6?
18:56 xerox (..yet)
18:57 gaal sure! examples/
18:57 gaal and of course t/ :-)
18:58 * Aankhen`` goes to sleep.
18:58 xerox Uuuh, there are plenty of them.
18:58 Aankhen`` G'night.
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18:59 xerox I want functional p6 code!
18:59 gaal fp.pm somewhere there
18:59 gaal examples/functional/
19:01 * xerox melts with monads.p6
19:01 xerox See you later :-)
19:02 gaal :-)
19:02 gaal fp.p6 - wondering:
19:02 gaal multi sub member (*$val)            returns Bool { 0 }
19:02 gaal why not bool::false ?
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19:15 wolverian gaal, and why not --> Bool?
19:21 gaal wolverian: does that parse already?
19:22 wolverian oh, I don't know.
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