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00:33 mugwump stevan_: about?
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01:18 stevan_ mugwump: hey
01:31 mugwump hey stevan.  I want to get at the C3 algorithm for T2 metamodels.  Is there an interface for just running the algorithm without everything else?
01:31 mugwump (in Class::C3)
01:33 stevan_ mugwump: yes, Class::C3::calculateMRO($class) will return the linearized class list
01:33 mugwump thanks
01:33 stevan_ no problem
01:35 mugwump ah, but the input is partially provided through @{"foo::ISA"} etc
01:35 stevan_ yes
01:35 stevan_ you could probably extract the algorithm without too much trouble
01:36 stevan_ there are a decent set of tests in Class:C3 as well as the Perl6::MetaModel which you can use to test against
01:36 stevan_ I took all those from the C3 papers too, so they should be right
01:37 stevan_ mugwump: actually Class::C3::_merge is the algorithm
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01:38 stevan_ you can just use that,.. just feed it the right input
01:38 stevan_ model what calculateMRO does but according to T2's metamodel
01:38 stevan_ gotta run though &
01:38 mugwump thanks again!
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01:57 devin anyone seen this Pugs buildfailure before?  http://paste.lisp.org/display/13960
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02:04 scook0 devin: odd ... you're just compiling a vanilla checkout?
02:04 scook0 what platform are you on?
02:05 devin freebsd
02:05 devin it's a vanilla checkout, yes
02:05 devin freebsd 4.x i should say
02:06 scook0 are those two 'missing' files actually in your pugs tree?
02:07 devin yes
02:07 devin seems to be an include path issue
02:09 svnbot6 r8007 | Darren_Duncan++ |  r953@Darren-Duncans-Computer:  darrenduncan | 2005-11-24 18:06:12 -0800
02:09 svnbot6 r8007 | Darren_Duncan++ |  /ext/Rosetta-Incubator : multiplied all module minor-version numbers by 10 so they are backwards compatible with the older X.YY-versioned releases with respect to ordering
02:13 devin my builds used to work fine, i guess i should binary-search the svn to find out which commit broke it
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02:38 aufrank hello!
02:40 aufrank happy thanksgiving, where applicable
02:40 aufrank happy thursday, where applicable
02:40 aufrank happy localtime, otherwise
02:41 aufrank I have a question about reading the synopses:
02:42 aufrank are people able to get the unicode characters to display correctly by doing, for example, perldoc S02.pod?
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03:03 Khisanth aufrank: don't see why not, is your terminal setup correctly?
03:04 aufrank I thought so...
03:05 aufrank can't get it to work properly in either an xterm under x11 or the OSX terminal.app
03:05 aufrank S05.pod:1: Unknown command paragraph "=encoding utf8"
03:06 aufrank This is perl, v5.8.7 built for darwin-thread-multi-2level
03:06 Khisanth ah that
03:06 aufrank yes, that apparently ;)
03:06 aufrank what was that, again?
03:06 aufrank :P
03:07 Khisanth that is a completely different issue!
03:07 aufrank oh
03:07 aufrank Khisanth, will you please help me with a completely different issue?
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03:16 * aufrank is still around if anyone has suggestions about displaying utf8 characters in POD under OSX
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03:24 Khisanth aufrank: well the problem is that whoever wrote that decided to use some non standard pod formatting
03:25 Khisanth that might very well be specced for the p6 version of perldoc but it isn't for p5
03:29 aufrank ok
03:29 aufrank I just want to see the pretty hyper operators :)
03:30 Khisanth but .... operators are not in 5!
03:30 aufrank I got over it and read a few before I came on here to whine
03:31 Khisanth and there is always http://dev.perl.org/perl6/doc/synopsis.html :)
03:32 aufrank it makes me feel hardcore and 1337 to check them out with svk
03:32 aufrank that proves I'm a real hacker, right, checking out the source ;)  ??
03:37 * aufrank goes back to syn reading
03:37 aufrank thanks for the input, Khisanth
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03:40 Khisanth my svk seems to have broken for no apparent reason
04:01 dduncan the CPAN indexer seems to have been updated to support X.Y.Z version numbers ... yay!
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07:29 xgl i think i have a potential fix for one of the pugsbugs, how do i check it in?
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07:30 luqui xgl, you don't have a committer bit?
07:30 luqui send the patch to perl6-internals@perl.org
07:30 xinming xgl: you could ask autrijus for one
07:31 xgl no i don't ... how do i get it?
07:31 luqui I figure he will send xgl a committer bit instead of applying the patch :-)
07:31 luqui sorry
07:31 luqui don't send it there
07:31 xgl ok ... how do i do regression testing to make sure i haven't broken something else?
07:31 luqui send it to perl6-compiler@perl.org
07:31 luqui make test
07:31 xinming xgl: http://dev.perl.org/perl6/lists/
07:32 xgl thanx luqui and xinming
07:32 luqui I'm not sure what the status of that is, though
07:32 luqui make test takes a long time
07:33 luqui the way I usually do it is I find the t/ files that relate to what I changed and run those
07:33 xgl yeah ... that's my worry ... it takes my laptop 20 minutes just to build pugs
07:33 xgl ok, i'll do that then ... better than nothing
07:33 gaal xgl: /msg me your email addr?
07:34 luqui smoke will catch you if you break something
07:34 gaal xgl: yout laptop is fast.
07:34 xgl gaal, did you get my email address?
07:36 gaal yes, openfoundry is being slow
07:36 xgl 20 minutes is incremental build ... clean build probably takes a bit longer ...
07:36 gaal invitation sent. welcome aboard :)
07:37 gaal luqui: i notice you are a metacommitter
07:37 xgl thanx gaal :)
07:37 luqui oh.  that's good to know
07:37 gaal np :)
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09:54 Su-Shee Hi.
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15:06 pmurias U
15:07 pmurias meant /U
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15:51 * nothingmuch wonders what rindolf will do if his demands aren't met
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15:53 integral nothingmuch: hmm, are these new demands?  He hasn't been promoting anything new on IRC recently :-/
15:54 integral (which he normally does *sigh*)
15:54 luqui oh, rindolf == shlomi?
15:54 * luqui feels like less of an idiot now that he realizes nothingmuch wasn't talking about politics
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16:17 Khisanth luqui: yes :)
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16:27 svnbot6 r8008 | xgl++ | modified ruleVarDeclaration to turn
16:27 svnbot6 r8008 | xgl++ | my $a = my $b = ... my $z = foo into
16:27 svnbot6 r8008 | xgl++ | my $a; my $b; ... my $z; $a = $b = ... $z = foo
16:27 xgl is there a process for retiring tests from pugs/t/pugsbugs, or do i just remove them?
16:27 luqui uh..
16:27 luqui you don't remove tests
16:27 Khisanth retiring? shouldn't tests always be there to make sure it doesn't show up again?
16:28 luqui move them into the appropriate category in t/, I think
16:28 Khisanth regression testing after all...
16:28 xgl ah, you're right ... move them then?
16:28 geoffb pugsbugs/ is only for bugs that you could not figure out where to put.
16:28 geoffb If you now know where the tests should go, you should move them . . .
16:28 geoffb regardless of whether they have been fixed yet.
16:29 geoffb We want to keep pugsbugs small, because whenever working on a particular problem,
16:29 xgl ok, seems like the right thing to do is to move them to the right category, or at least mark them to be something other than bugs
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16:29 geoffb people have to both look in the correct directory for tests, *and* sift through all of pugsbugs looking for appropriate stuff.
16:30 geoffb xgl, yes, move them if you can.
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18:39 svnbot6 r8009 | fglock++ | * docs/notes/laziness.txt - how to splice() a Lazy Array
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19:00 pmurias is there a (easy) way to add :edit to ghci (like in hugs)?  
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20:34 r0nny_ yo
20:34 r0nny_ how to get the mtime of files in perl6 ?
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