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01:55 autrijus # http://use.perl.org/~autrijus/journal/27759
01:57 wolverian hello, autrijus :)
01:57 autrijus greetings :)
01:58 wolverian yow, that's not much money. sorry to hear that.
02:02 autrijus it's okay... I'm not selling organs yet
02:03 autrijus it should pass soonish in early december.
02:03 wolverian that's good to hear.
02:05 autrijus on the plus side, this forced me to really write legible analysis/design/requirement/planning documents, which might come in more handy than visio diagrams for pugs :)
02:06 autrijus mm, 10am already. gotta get to $job. bbl
02:07 autrijus take care... I'll survive this :) &
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02:10 malverian autrijus: Woo..
02:13 malverian autrijus: Is there any way to use pp on a Linux host to cross-compile to win32?
02:14 autrijus malverian: if you use no XS modules, pp --par would work. if you do use XS modules, then probably not
02:14 autrijus (as it would require a win32 @INC tree somewhere and probing for it)
02:14 autrijus it's possible to hack this support into PAR in the same way perl2exe does... want a commit bit?
02:15 malverian autrijus: Getting the win32 tree is no problem (I've copied it from an activeperl install), just was curious if pp can be told to look for the win32 libs and to output a win32 compressed exe
02:16 autrijus basically, if your win32 tree contains bin/par.exe, and you can somehow trick /usr/local/bin/par into believing it's par.exe, then it'd just work
02:16 autrijus (it requires installing PAR on the win32 tree first)
02:16 malverian autrijus: Gotcha..
02:16 malverian autrijus: I do have that as well.
02:16 autrijus but the $Config{so} would be wrong so .dll probing may be a problem
02:17 autrijus i.e. it'd be trying to include .so not .dll files
02:17 obra We really need the next rev of PAR-related tools
02:17 autrijus so you need to use the target's %Config as well
02:17 autrijus that's all
02:17 autrijus obra: like, a portable bytecode? ;)
02:17 obra heh
02:17 obra no.
02:17 autrijus (which would Just Fix everything)
02:17 obra I'm still good with p5 ;)
02:18 malverian autrijus: If I made a patch that would allow a runtime option to use onfig from a specific host, would you make use of it?
02:18 malverian Eg.. --config-host=win32 or some such.. (I've not looked at the internals of par/pp so I don't know what names/flags would be relevant, but if I take the time to do so, I'll send you a patch.
02:19 autrijus no, I won't make use of patches
02:19 malverian I just wanted to be sure there wasn't already a hidden feature that did this before I put time into it.
02:19 autrijus a commit bit is on your way
02:19 autrijus svn repo is http://svn.openfoundry.org/par/trunk
02:19 autrijus just commit ahead :)
02:20 autrijus consult [email@hidden.address] for design discussions if you need, but otherwise just commit
02:20 wolverian sigh. university is hampering my sleep schedule. why should I sleep at nights? these are the best hours.
02:20 * malverian nods.
02:20 autrijus malverian at gentoo org?
02:21 malverian That's me, but I prefer: perl at rabidgeek com
02:22 autrijus ok, drop the first committer bit invitation mailthen and answer then second
02:22 malverian I'll see if I can get something working tonight before the woman finishes her drawing assignment.
02:23 autrijus you are a metacommitter; so if you feel like to enlist others, invite them as admins too at http://rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/Admin/Members/?Queue=28
02:23 autrijus good luck... I really need to run to work.
02:24 autrijus &
02:25 malverian Thanks autrijus, have a good one.
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02:46 malverian This is going to be difficult.. oy.
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04:10 ex-chip hi all.
04:10 ex-chip is now known as chip
04:10 chip (ping anybody who knows about Pugs Parrot targeting)
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04:28 d3mi4n jh
04:31 Khisanth hmm this parrot build looks a bit strange
04:32 Khisanth in fact it looks like it's trying to fork an infinite number of procs :)
04:32 chip well, that would be strange ... for most programs
04:36 Khisanth this was just from trying to do a "make clean" :/
04:42 Khisanth ah had to rerun Configure.pl
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05:48 autrijus chip: I have ~5 minutes if that helps :)
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05:50 obra autrijus: don't forget: parrot sketch in 12 hours
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05:56 autrijus obra: roger
06:12 obra :)
06:18 nothingmuch autrijus: ping
06:24 autrijus nothingmuch: pong
06:24 nothingmuch unwelcome forward to reality, or something... weird journalling
06:24 nothingmuch but seriously
06:24 nothingmuch Term::VT102::Boundless
06:24 nothingmuch it's on the CPAN and HTML::FromANSI should use it
06:24 nothingmuch want to give me comaint?
06:25 autrijus giving
06:25 nothingmuch yummy fufu
06:25 nothingmuch anyway, i must be off to work
06:25 nothingmuch feel better, autrijus-san
06:25 autrijus danke
06:25 * autrijus is @ work and is about to go out as well
06:26 gaal autrijus: hi, missing context for your troubles but hope things get better :-)
06:26 autrijus it will :)
06:26 autrijus nothingmuch: comaintainership is yours. enjoy!
06:26 * autrijus waves &
06:26 nothingmuch ciao!
06:26 nothingmuch gaal: journal
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06:27 gaal yours? i saw that entry the other day...?
06:27 nothingmuch no
06:27 nothingmuch autrijus's
06:30 nothingmuch why is CPAN so slow
06:30 gaal see /msg
06:30 Khisanth there were a bunch of comments yesterday about PAUSE being paused :)
06:31 nothingmuch aye
06:31 nothingmuch since yesterday i've uploaded 6 new modules
06:31 nothingmuch so i'm very upset about this =)
06:33 obra heh
06:33 obra what's your favorite?
06:33 nothingmuch fav?
06:33 obra of the new modules
06:34 nothingmuch oh
06:34 nothingmuch possibly Catalyst::Plugin::Session::PerUser for it's DWIM goodness or Catalyst::Plugin::Authorization::ACL because it's hella-cool
06:36 obra I'll have to have a look
06:36 obra and next month, I'll have to sell you on something better than Catalyst ;)
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06:44 obra What are you using for cat sessions?
06:47 nothingmuch Catalyst::Plugin::Session
06:47 nothingmuch (which I also wrote ;-)
06:47 nothingmuch gotta go to work
06:49 obra ok
06:49 obra It'd be cool to have a good base session handler that's not tied to one framework
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09:39 r0nny yo
09:40 r0nny is therre a way, to find the name of the actual script with full path ?
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09:41 azuroth what's the runtime twigil? @?
09:43 wolverian ? I think
09:43 azuroth S05 thinks that's "compiler hint". hmm
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09:44 azuroth oh well. r0nny: I'd expect it might be in $+OS or $?OS or something?
09:44 wolverian S02 you mean?
09:45 azuroth heyy, good catch
09:45 azuroth don't know why I thought this page I had open was 5, not 2...
09:45 wolverian maybe you had it open backwards
09:45 azuroth hehehe
09:47 azuroth $?OS - os compiled under $*OS - os running under. cool
09:47 wolverian hum. then it's *
09:47 r0nny bur whgat about the script name ??
09:48 azuroth I can only imagine it's in one of the fancy * global vars
09:48 gaal ?eval $*PROGRAM_NAME
09:49 gaal yoohoo? evalbot?
09:50 gaal anyway, r0nny, if you want to peek these things are mostly defined in Pugs.Run
09:50 r0nny DARN
09:51 r0nny $?FILE is allways the actual file
09:51 wolverian shouldn't that be the file it was originally compiled to? ;)
09:51 r0nny and it hasnt got the fill path
09:52 r0nny full
10:08 r0nny what is the difference betwen a module, and a class - after reading some stiff i got problems understanding
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10:10 r0nny anyone ??
10:12 wolverian module is not OO. ;)
10:13 r0nny hmm
10:13 r0nny hmm
10:13 r0nny File::Fils locks as if it was oo
10:15 r0nny btw - would it mind if i define classes like class FOO:BAR::BAZ; ??
10:16 r0nny S12 tells something about - but im not sure what it means
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12:59 nothingmuch autrijus: ping
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13:56 gaal ?eval "it's alive!"
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13:57 gaal who runs evalbot?
13:57 Aankhen`` iblech?
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14:18 rafl gaal: lpalmer, afaik.
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16:49 gaal are junction eigenstates specified in p6?
16:50 robkinyon i remember reading something about them in the appropriate apocalypse/synopsis
16:50 robkinyon but, i don't think it's being implemented as Q::SP is in P5
16:51 gaal L<S02/Junctive Operators> doesn't mention them.
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18:49 chip autrijus: I was given to understand that all gcc platforms implement exceptions with a static table, but perhaps it's only the ELF/DWARF targets
18:50 chip the idea is to register try{} areas and corresponding catch labels with a static table, since the try areas are actually known at compile time in their entirety
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20:20 svnbot6 r8012 | fglock++ | * /docs/notes/laziness.txt - "List" vs "Tuple";
20:20 svnbot6 r8012 | fglock++ |   reorganization of sections.
20:20 svnbot6 r8013 | kane++ |  * update section on dependency engine, add explenations
20:20 svnbot6 r8013 | kane++ |  * add section on repo_* scripts and pretty printers
20:20 svnbot6 r8014 | kane++ | * new update date -- major change
20:31 fglock why are the commits being resubmitted sometimes? (I didn't send r8012)
20:32 obra maybe an smerge?
20:35 fglock hi obra
20:36 obra hey flavio
20:37 dduncan fglock, ...
20:37 dduncan that same problem has happened to me, twice so far
20:37 dduncan seems svk related ... it never happened with plain svn
20:38 dduncan and it happened when using 'svk push'
20:38 integral .oO( svn doesn't have smerge )
20:38 dduncan I assume yours cited some files with a flag 'g'?
20:39 fglock dduncan: I'm using svn, and sometimes TortoiseSVN, but not svk
20:40 DesreveR yo
20:41 dduncan I used plain svn in the past, and moved to plain svk a month ago
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20:42 fglock did anyone read laziness.txt? there are some concepts I'm not sure about
20:43 dduncan fglock, unless you never committed those changes at all, this actually isn't a duplicate
20:43 dduncan svnbot6 is just late in reporting them ... I downloaded those updates an hour ago
20:43 dduncan according to my log, they only appeared once
20:43 dduncan 8012 thru 8014
20:43 fglock dduncan: the latest commit was >24h
20:43 dduncan so svnbot was late
20:44 dduncan unless you can cite 2 commit numbers with the same change, there was no duplicate ...
20:44 dduncan by contrast, the 2 times I said it happened to me, there were 2 commit numbers for each
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20:45 fglock dduncan: found it - there is the same message in the IRC log yesterday, about 10:00
20:46 geoffb Doesn't svnbot have a habit of reporting "recent" commits when it reconnects?
20:48 dduncan yes, svnbot reported it twice, but note that the commit number is the same, 8012, so the commit only occurred once
20:48 dduncan that's the important part
21:07 integral the revision number is unique in the repository fglock.  If there's only one number, it only happened once.   Stuff that happens on IRC has little relevance to what's really happening :)
21:09 fglock I've missed the discussion that added 'tuple' to the language - I'd like to know what was the reason, and find out if my definition makes sense
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23:41 nothingmuch spam spam spam http://use.perl.org/~nothingmuch/journal/27778 spam spam
23:42 Limbic_Region_ I bet theorbtwo will be interested in that spam
23:42 Limbic_Region_ he entered the same contest but didn't fare as well
23:42 nothingmuch he can actually be found lurking on #mightyv on irc.perl.org ;-)
23:43 Limbic_Region_ heh
23:43 Limbic_Region_ as soon as I pointed out that entry he thought they might win
23:44 nothingmuch well, nighty night
23:45 nothingmuch time to go zzzzzz
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