Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

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09:58 azuroth it's been good talking to you guys, see you in a few months :-)
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12:47 tomyan audrey|ingy: trying to grok how Module::Compile works...
12:47 tomyan came accross what I thought was a bug with the contents of HEREDOCS being replaced with a digest, but from the tests this looks like expected behaviour
12:48 tomyan ping audre
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13:01 Limbic_Region http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/29666 # Complaint from Ovid that running make test takes 4 1/2 hours
13:09 cognominal I thought that audreyt has fixed that recently?
13:10 Limbic_Region well, it certainly is way faster
13:10 Limbic_Region but I haven't ran nmake test in months
13:11 Limbic_Region but I am just the messenger - Ovid apparently did this very recently and is still seeing a 4 1/2 hour time to complete
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13:34 ingy hi tomyan
13:34 tomyan hi
13:34 ingy what's up?
13:34 tomyan think it was cos there was an error compiling so it didn't finish
13:35 ingy so is there a bug?
13:35 tomyan i see now that it translates the digest back to the contents of the heredoc
13:35 tomyan was having trouble seeing what the error was
13:35 tomyan made it go away by moving the use MyFilter; ... no MyFilter; earlier in the file
13:36 ingy ok
13:37 ingy please report any bugs to rt.cpan.org
13:37 tomyan yeah, will have a poke at it later and see if i can make a failing test case
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13:37 ingy tomyan: thanky
13:37 tomyan v cool mod btw
13:39 ingy yeah!
13:39 ingy it needs a rewrite or two, but yeah
13:39 ingy actually it just needs to be finished
13:40 ingy basically more granular parsing of source code
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15:21 ^Nikos perl 6 is out?
15:21 PerlJam ^Nikos: a prototype called "pugs" is out.
15:22 PerlJam The official perl6 compiler isn't done yet.
15:22 ^Nikos i see
15:22 ^Nikos when will it be ready?
15:22 PerlJam when it's ready
15:22 ^Nikos umm 2-3 month from now?
15:23 PerlJam ^Nikos: I believe there will be an alpha compiler release this year and a production release late next year or maybe the following year
15:24 ^Nikos i see
15:24 ^Nikos will there perl ahs major changes?
15:25 PerlJam ^Nikos: um ... yes?
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15:25 ingy ahs?
15:25 particle_ has
15:25 ingy aft hand side
15:25 ingy audrey hand side
15:26 particle_ ^Nikos: see http://dev.perl.org/perl6/ for perl6 info
15:27 particle_ read the Synopses if you're interested in the differences/new features
15:28 cognominal ^Nikos, this will not be a mere major release
15:29 particle_ cog: sure, it's really 6.0.0.0.0 (community, major, minor, patch, bug/fix)
15:30 cognominal as a revolution, it will be way more than perl5 without the epicycles
15:30 ayrnieu hah!  It can't possibly work without epicycles.
15:31 PerlJam All I know is that we need to release perl6 before TimToady gets too insane.  ;-)
15:32 cognominal arynieu: I would like to avoid retrograd movement like version strings :)
15:32 particle_ perhaps grandfatherhood will slow the pace of his insanity...
15:32 PerlJam or speed it up
15:33 cognominal Timtoady is already insane, I fear the day he will become sane
15:33 particle_ pj: i guess you're the "brain half empty" type
15:33 PerlJam actually, I really only care that perl6 is released before *I* go too insane
15:33 ayrnieu insanity is just acceleration.
15:33 Limbic_Region particle_ - the law of conservation requires the degree to which TimToady's insanity is decreased by the arrival of the grandchild, the insanity shift in his child (grandchild's parent) will increase to the same degree
15:33 PerlJam particle_: my brain is always empty.  I'm constantly looking for things to fill it with.
15:34 cognominal superior order appears like entropy or insanity to the illiterate
15:34 Limbic_Region in fact, you can't even break even - the insanity of the child will increase more than that by which TimToady's decreased
15:34 particle_ "a brain is a hole in your head into which you pour money."
15:34 ayrnieu or time, which is also money.
15:35 particle_ to paraphrase the old quote about boats, planes, cars.
15:36 * PerlJam work &
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20:01 pasteling "masak" at 130.238.83.176 pasted "Is the fifth test in t/builtins/lists/reverse.t correct? I don't see any stringification." (8 lines, 272B) at http://sial.org/pbot/17297
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20:20 PerlJam masak: is() imposes a string context on its first two arguments.  Perhaps that's leaking somewhere.
20:21 masak PerlJam: the way I understand it, that would be too late for "foo" to become "oof"
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20:24 masak now, had the test said reverse(~("foo", "bar")), that would be another thing
20:25 masak as it stands right now, I don't get it
20:28 * particle_ suggests using svn blame to track down how that test got there
20:29 PerlJam What does item() do exactly?
20:30 particle_ the doc (S29) isn't too clear: "Forces generic Item context on its argument, and returns it."
20:31 PerlJam right.  I don't know what that means.
20:31 particle_ hrmm, i suppose that stringifies it
20:31 particle_ as opposed to list context
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20:36 masak particle_: in any case, stringification after reversing the list will not produce "oof" from "foo"
20:36 particle_ nope, but reverse(item(... should do it
20:36 masak hmm
20:37 masak ?eval reverse(item("foo", "bar"))
20:37 evalbot_10383 ("bar", "foo")
20:37 masak not currently, no
20:37 particle_ hrmm
20:37 masak OTOH, I don't know either what item does
20:38 masak question is: can we, with our limited knowledge, conclude that the test is wrong?
20:38 masak in that case, I can patch it
20:38 masak otherwise we'll have to wait for someone to come along who knows more
20:39 particle_ i believe, given it's definition in S29, item should take some number of args, and return them in item (iirc, scalar) context
20:39 particle_ seems the test is wrong
20:39 masak i'm tempted to write stringification like this: reverse(~("foo", "bar")
20:40 masak because i don't know much about item()
20:40 particle_ that seems like it'll work, and avoid a poorly documented op
20:40 masak yes
20:40 masak i suspect the test is faulty from copy/paste
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20:46 buu foo is bar
20:49 masak there. comitted.
20:49 svnbot6 r10396 | masak++ | * patched what I believe was a faulty test in t/builtins/lists/reverse.t
20:49 svnbot6 r10396 | masak++ |   anyone qualified is welcome to check up on this
20:49 masak the test now passes on my box
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21:05 masak sleep &
21:10 ruoso arrrrggghh: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/271014_software22.html
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21:18 FurnaceBoy heh, makes me glad I didn't buy Tm stock
21:18 FurnaceBoy although it will probably do well now
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21:22 PerlJam Does Linux still work for transmeta?
21:22 PerlJam If so, does that mean that he's made a deal with the devil?
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21:24 particle_ this is a new chip. crusoe still runs linux and win
21:24 ruoso particle_, the problem is filling the market with this crap and throwing regular-PCs prices to the sky....
21:25 particle_ ruoso: that won't happen.
21:25 particle_ pc prices have *never* gone up.
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21:26 particle_ pj: and efficieon is fully x86 software and os compatible, per their spec sheet.
21:30 ruoso the question is if the "protocol" to talk with the chip security will be open...
21:37 Bleadof Gotta love the marketing http://www.transmeta.com/images/antivirusnx/with_without_antivirusnx.jpg
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21:55 arcady I think microsoft's theory is to make PCs cheaper
21:55 arcady so that people will be more able to afford windows
22:02 * ruoso still think there is a large market for low-profile PCs, which could cost about R$ 700
22:02 ruoso or less
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23:28 QtPlatypus eval: bool::true
23:28 buubot QtPlatypus: Return: bool::true
23:28 QtPlatypus eval: bool::true |  bool::false
23:28 buubot QtPlatypus: Return: bool::vs}we
23:29 * QtPlatypus blinks "I thourt that was no longer bitwise"
23:31 QtPlatypus eval: any(bool::True,bool::False)
23:31 buubot QtPlatypus: Error: Undefined subroutine &main::any called at (eval 174) line 1.
23:32 QtPlatypus eval: bool::True
23:32 buubot QtPlatypus: Return: bool::True
23:34 QtPlatypus evalbot_10383: bool::True | bool::False
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23:39 QtPlatypus Has junctions changed while my back was turned?
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