Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2006-05-27

Perl 6 | Reference Documentation | Rakudo

| Channels | #perl6 index | Today | | Search | Google Search | Plain-Text | summary

All times shown according to UTC.

Time Nick Message
00:22 hexmode joined perl6
00:24 froh-doh joined perl6
00:31 hexmode joined perl6
00:32 avarab joined perl6
00:41 weinig joined perl6
00:45 avarab is now known as avar
00:47 FurnaceBoy_ joined perl6
00:49 nperez joined perl6
00:50 KingDiamond joined perl6
00:50 premshree_ joined perl6
00:51 FurnaceBoy_ is now known as FB|afk
00:51 premshree__ joined perl6
00:52 premshree__ left perl6
00:52 premshree_ left perl6
00:54 premshree_ joined perl6
01:02 hexmode joined perl6
01:10 jserv-- joined perl6
01:25 svnbot6 r10425 | audreyt++ | * JudyHS: squash compiler warnings and errors in preparation of cmarcelo's
01:25 svnbot6 r10425 | audreyt++ |           SoC JudyHS binding work.
01:27 clkao a commit!
01:31 svnbot6 r10426 | audreyt++ | * Import John Meacham's tree to our tree for HsJudy/Pugs.
01:39 FB|afk a palpable commit
01:42 cmarcelo joined perl6
01:42 svnbot6 r10427 | cmarcelo++ | Testing commit. I'll be working in Judy bindings for Haskell.
01:42 cmarcelo wow
01:44 audreyt welcome aboard :)
01:44 clkao hurrah
01:49 cognominal joined perl6
01:51 audreyt Sage is going to arrive here in a day or two, I think...
01:51 audreyt (working on Perl5->MAD->Perl6)
01:51 clkao is it nearly christmas yet?
01:52 audreyt 7 months to go
01:53 clkao can we make it faster?
01:53 cmarcelo audreyt: thanks. if I have (lot of) trouble to finish this week "milestone" i'll warn you, ok? (remember my newbie condition hehe =P)
01:55 audreyt (the milestone involves filling in low-level FFI bindings to spinclad's patched Judy tree)
01:55 audreyt sure, just ping me here and/or seek help on #haskell :)
02:04 FurnaceBoy_ joined perl6
02:09 lypanov joined perl6
02:39 unobe_ joined perl6
02:40 cognominal joined perl6
02:42 theorb joined perl6
02:45 DaGo joined perl6
02:55 nothingmuch joined perl6
03:01 SamB joined perl6
03:19 svnbot6 r10428 | audreyt++ | * third-party/HsSyck/syck: Upgrade to 0.56-trunk from upstream.
03:30 audreyt miyagawa: new YAML-Syck up with json fix and dump memleak fix
03:30 wolverian audreyt, welcome back! I missed you :)
03:32 audreyt thanks :) however I'm not, like, completely back yet
03:32 audreyt still another day or two to go
03:32 audreyt I've been breathing and eating and dreaming in Jifty ;)
03:32 wolverian don't hurry :)
03:32 wolverian I've been diving into Plagger, it's fun too.
03:32 audreyt plagger is nice
03:32 audreyt miyagawa is clearly onto something
03:33 audreyt and/or on something
03:33 wolverian perhaps
03:33 wolverian I'll commit/send a simple FOAF plugin when miyagawa wakes up :)
03:34 audreyt :D
03:43 obra hi audreyt
03:44 obra What's new in your jiftyverse?
03:47 audreyt trying to go back to action declarators
03:47 audreyt win32 packaging improvements
03:47 audreyt (since it proved to be a popular demo device)
03:48 audreyt get the testing DSL working with generic apps, not just mine
03:48 audreyt thinking about a better dispatch logic than the current Dispatcher->masonview->fragment->rico
03:48 audreyt possibly ::TT2
03:49 audreyt reading up on nothingmuch's Monju
03:49 obra All very interesting.
03:49 audreyt thinking about Moose patterns and Jifty patterns
03:49 audreyt etc etc.
03:49 obra oh. jifty's tests run fast on the macbook ;)
03:50 audreyt I'm off to pickup my freshly arrived macbook
03:50 audreyt in 1hr
03:50 obra Nice. .tw model or .us model?
03:50 audreyt from .hk; they don't sell themn in .tw
03:50 audreyt have to wait for 2months+
03:50 obra Darwinports is treating me very well.
03:50 audreyt so $boss picked it up from .hk
03:50 obra I'm actually going to keep OSX on it.
03:50 obra nice
03:50 audreyt cool. thinking about a OSX/Ubuntu dual boot
03:50 obra Darwinports has a native svk
03:50 audreyt I want to playwith debian :)
03:51 obra might want to consider osx + parallels
03:51 obra no bootloader issues. should still be very fast
03:51 audreyt black macbook is out of stock entire .hk
03:51 obra tanks to intel virtualization
03:51 obra The black..did not impress me.
03:51 audreyt so got one white 2.0ghc
03:51 audreyt s/ghc/ghz/
03:51 obra it's weird and matte.
03:51 audreyt yeah, so had others reported
03:51 obra I ended up with the white. Eventially, I'll rpeeplace the disk. which is now a supported operation
03:52 audreyt cool
03:52 audreyt I think the stock 80gb is sufficient
03:52 audreyt ram maxed out to 2g
03:52 obra oh. this was a custom built machine?
03:52 obra The stock 2ghz white has 60
03:52 audreyt nod, but they can replace stuff onthefly
03:52 audreyt so they did
03:52 obra Ah. better than in .us.
03:53 audreyt so... very much looking forward to hack stuff without being cpu-bound on compilation
03:53 obra Who should I bribe to get your jifty innovations into the repo?
03:53 obra Yeah. I know that feeling
03:53 obra hiveminder tests went from 20 minutes to 3
03:53 audreyt they'll trickle into the repo naturally
03:53 audreyt (!)
03:54 obra It was CPU _and_ disk bound.
03:54 audreyt at latest, we'll do that en masse in Boston
03:54 obra oh. I should try building pugs.
03:54 audreyt yeah.
03:54 obra To install gd, darwinports needed to build xfree
03:55 obra It took 25 minutes
03:55 audreyt http://www.uni-graz.at/imawww/haskell/gh​c-6.5.20060409-i386-apple-darwin.tar.bz2
03:56 audreyt newer builds may be available somewhere
03:56 obra oh good: sh-2.05b# port install ghc
03:56 obra GHC is not supported on OS X i386 yet
03:56 audreyt but xerox built pugs with it
03:56 audreyt on x86mac; and as such should work on your setting
03:56 obra yeah. the problem is only darwinports
03:57 audreyt http://www.haskell.org/has​kellwiki/GHC_on_Intel_Macs
03:57 obra Great. Man. this hotel net is slow
03:59 obra (Redirects to http://hackage.haskell.org​/trac/ghc/wiki/X86OSXGhc)
03:59 obra That's enough caveats that it's not a tonight project
03:59 obra but cool
04:01 audreyt I'll get it working today :)
04:08 justatheory joined perl6
04:52 cmarcelo joined perl6
05:04 spinclad audreyt: welcome back!
05:04 spinclad cmarcelo: welcome!
05:04 spinclad audreyt, cmarcelo:  re JudyHS: the insides are not done but the interface is ready i believe.
05:04 spinclad (and finally)
05:04 spinclad TimToady: julian++!  this recent day, 2006-05-25, is hereby declared a julian day in his honour!  and docs r9310 a julian revision!
05:05 spinclad (see what happens when i look away for a moment)
05:08 cmarcelo spinclad: thanks! =) tomorrow i'll start playing with the code.. you're doing iteration primitives for the Judy types, right?
05:09 spinclad for JudyHS, yes, the others (Judy1, L, SL) had iter entries already though not with helper iterator objects
05:10 cmarcelo helper iterator objects?
05:11 spinclad if you look at the JudyHS.3 man page you can see my spec
05:12 cmarcelo ok
05:12 spinclad third-party/judy/Judy-1.0.3/doc/ext/JudyHS_3.htm
05:14 spinclad i invented a JudyHSIter type to have a place to update the string and length as oen iterates
05:14 spinclad s/oen/one/
05:15 rawr joined perl6
05:16 spinclad so there are five new calls added to the JudyHS interface.
05:17 spinclad JudyHSIter{First,Next,Last,Prev} and JudyHSFreeIter
05:17 cmarcelo i see..
05:18 spinclad i think it makes sense, waffled on it for a few days trying to think it through, this is what settled out of the muck.
05:18 spinclad (comments welcome)
05:19 spinclad will you be modifying HsJudy?
05:21 spinclad (anything that's unclear when you read that manpage, please shout)
05:22 cmarcelo yep. it's my job to get it working with a haskell-friendly API...
05:22 spinclad excellent
05:23 cmarcelo spinclad: is your email address available somewhere?
05:24 spinclad rlh AT theworld DOT com
05:24 rawr is now known as SubStack
05:26 cmarcelo tks
05:26 spinclad yw
05:44 spinclad g'night all  &
06:33 coumbes joined perl6
07:58 bjoern_ joined perl6
08:05 unobe_ joined perl6
08:05 unobe_ is now known as unobe
08:08 iblechbot joined perl6
08:10 Aankhen`` joined perl6
08:13 elmex joined perl6
08:28 lisppaste3 joined perl6
09:02 SubStack joined perl6
09:07 meppl guten morgen
09:56 unobe_ joined perl6
09:56 unobe_ is now known as unobe
10:03 prefiks joined perl6
10:10 b_jonas joined perl6
10:16 larsen joined perl6
10:25 soisoisoi joined perl6
10:27 pfenwick joined perl6
10:29 prefiks joined perl6
10:39 phpError joined perl6
10:44 DaGo joined perl6
10:50 unobe_ joined perl6
10:50 Arathorn joined perl6
10:59 QtPlatypus ?eval Bool::True | Bool::False
10:59 evalbot_10383 Bool::False
11:11 iblechbot joined perl6
11:18 chris2 joined perl6
11:24 neoesque joined perl6
11:40 larsen_ joined perl6
11:43 Ymmv joined perl6
11:51 pfenwick left perl6
12:10 neoesque joined perl6
12:23 jsiracusa joined perl6
12:40 elmex joined perl6
12:51 Limbic_Region joined perl6
12:57 iblechbot joined perl6
13:11 wilx joined perl6
13:14 Ymmv joined perl6
13:16 wilx joined perl6
13:21 wilx joined perl6
13:25 ludan joined perl6
13:25 ludan hi
13:26 Limbic_Region seen audreyt
13:27 xern joined perl6
13:36 scw joined perl6
13:37 scw I couldn't connect to svn.openfoundry.org :(
13:42 Limbic_Region scw - have you tried the alternate?
13:43 scw Limbic_Region: no, where is it?
13:43 Limbic_Region http://svn.perl.org/perl6/pugs/
13:43 scw Limbic_Region: so should I svn switch to this url?
13:43 Limbic_Region which is referenced on Pugs homepage ;-)
13:43 Limbic_Region dunno - don't know svn/svk well enough to know how to say to do this temporarily
13:43 Limbic_Region since svn.openfoundry.org is the master
13:44 scw I'll try switch first, if it doesn't work I'll checkout another copy
13:44 scw Thanks
13:45 scw no, couldn't switch :(  create the patch then
13:53 scw It stopped mirroring after r9310 :(
13:56 szbalint Whats up with Audrey btw? Haven't seen her for a good while now here.
13:56 * szbalint regrets he opened his mouth and reads the logs from yesterday
13:57 * Limbic_Region hasn't read the logs *yet* but believes she has been extremely busy with $work
13:59 scw she said that she was stuck by the project and cannot come back until weekend :(
14:05 larsen joined perl6
14:13 FurnaceBoy joined perl6
14:23 scw svn.openfoundry.org is back
14:25 nothingmuch joined perl6
14:32 FurnaceBoy is now known as FB|afk
14:34 svnbot6 r10429 | scw++ | Pugs::Grammar::MiniPerl6
14:34 svnbot6 r10429 | scw++ |  * complie_p6grammar.pl accepts token and regex, too
14:34 svnbot6 r10429 | scw++ |  * compile_p6grammar.pl accepts modifiers on all grammar constructions
14:34 svnbot6 r10429 | scw++ |  * MiniPerl6 grammar file updated to fit :ratchet :sigspace
14:34 svnbot6 r10429 | scw++ |  * ProductionRule, the top rule of the grammar, is marked ':p'
14:34 svnbot6 r10429 | scw++ |  * variable declaration doesn't work yet
14:36 FB|afk joined perl6
14:51 avar joined perl6
15:37 larsen joined perl6
15:40 phpError joined perl6
15:48 theorbtwo joined perl6
15:51 Limbic_Region joined perl6
16:02 svnbot6 r10430 | spinclad++ | - JudyHS: merge in JudyHS.c changes
16:05 reZo joined perl6
16:09 neoesque joined perl6
16:11 audreyt a complete from-checkout pugs "make" took... less than 8 minutes on this macbook.
16:11 audreyt I wonder how long "make smoke" will take
16:12 Limbic_Region Ovid was b1tching about the make test time the other day
16:12 Limbic_Region I linked to his journal entry about it
16:12 Limbic_Region but I think you were already incommunicado
16:13 Limbic_Region this was even after the considerable speedups
16:14 audreyt yeah. judyhs is likely to help some more on make test time
16:14 audreyt and faster strings
16:14 Limbic_Region http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/29666
16:15 Limbic_Region complaining that it takes 4 1/2 hours
16:15 Limbic_Region and a reply to that indicated 5 1/2
16:15 audreyt that's a lot
16:15 audreyt it takes 50min on my old laptop
16:15 Limbic_Region right - that's what I thought
16:15 Limbic_Region so I pasted it here
16:15 Limbic_Region I also pasted a few Pugs posts at the Monastery hoping someone would pick them up and run with them too
16:16 Limbic_Region not sure what if anything happened
16:16 audreyt nod
16:16 integral hmm, my pugs didn't seem to be getting a precomp prelude when I last built; should it have been?
16:16 audreyt integral: look under under blib6/lib/Prelude*?
16:16 audreyt and rm it if needed
16:16 integral ah
16:16 audreyt rm blib6/lib/*.yml
16:16 audreyt and then 'make'
16:17 integral you switched to .yml.gz?
16:17 audreyt no, gaal broke compat on .yml format
16:17 audreyt to introduce version field
16:17 audreyt so it won't break again
16:17 audreyt ironically
16:17 integral lovely :)
16:19 Limbic_Region audreyt - is $work project all but over or is weekend hacking just a temporary state?
16:20 * Limbic_Region is very excited about the prospect of being able to work on Pugs/Parrot again at work (when family obligations at home aren't a factor)
16:21 audreyt er, I'm supposed to finish up $work this weekend
16:22 audreyt so maybe another one or two days of inactivity
16:22 jserv-- joined perl6
16:22 audreyt I just got carried away with the new macbook...
16:22 audreyt ...and in fact am well past my bedtime
16:23 Limbic_Region go to sleep
16:23 Limbic_Region get $work done
16:23 Limbic_Region your wellbeing is more important than us
16:23 Limbic_Region but come back to us as soon as you can
16:23 Limbic_Region ;-)
16:24 putter joined perl6
16:24 audreyt yeah ;)
16:26 putter ah.  sleep has priority.  I'll save questions for another time.
16:26 putter &
16:28 gaal Test.pm too, though there was a dummy commit that should have fixed that
16:28 gaal rebye
16:45 lypanov left perl6
16:51 audreyt ...smoking both $job code and pugs simultaneously (and installing half of cpan) = 24min wallclock
16:52 audreyt sleep for real :) &
16:58 hexmode joined perl6
17:07 Arathorn gah, why doesn't osx have seq(1)?
17:08 svnbot6 r10431 | audreyt++ | * arity-of-bocks-with-placeholders.t: unTODO passing tests.
17:20 ruoso joined perl6
17:32 joel_h joined perl6
17:37 justatheory joined perl6
17:39 cognominal where are the #perl6 logs? that's almost two weeks I did not really read this channel :(
17:42 scw cognominal: http://irc.pugscode.org/
17:44 cognominal thx
17:52 Khisanth joined perl6
18:03 beppu joined perl6
18:47 FurnaceBoy_ joined perl6
18:52 cognominal joined perl6
18:54 ludan joined perl6
18:54 ludan re, sorry
18:55 sri__ joined perl6
19:20 justatheory joined perl6
19:29 Ymmv joined perl6
19:30 FurnaceBoy_ is now known as FurnaceBoy
19:35 soisoisoi joined perl6
19:44 siossois joined perl6
19:58 FurnaceBoy is now known as FB|afk
20:28 dduncan joined perl6
20:35 c4rj4ck3r joined perl6
20:36 c4rj4ck3r left perl6
20:39 macroron joined perl6
20:40 szbalint joined perl6
20:48 trym joined perl6
21:14 FurnaceBoy_ joined perl6
21:14 perlski joined perl6
21:23 qu1j0t3 joined perl6
21:56 weinig joined perl6
22:00 Juerd audreyt: ping
22:03 justatheory joined perl6
22:34 Arathorn joined perl6
22:36 dvorak joined perl6
22:50 schneiker joined perl6
22:57 jsiracusa joined perl6
22:58 schneiker FYI: "$1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6"
22:58 schneiker (http://www.nntp.perl.org/g​roup/perl.perl6.users/127)
22:58 schneiker Gotta run.
22:58 schneiker left perl6
22:58 Juerd schneiker++
22:58 Juerd schneiker++
22:58 Juerd schneiker++
23:02 perlski left perl6
23:08 FurnaceBoy_ joined perl6
23:10 svnbot6 r10432 | Darren_Duncan++ | ext/Relation/ : added documentation for the wrap() and unwrap() generic relational operators, but they aren't yet implemented
23:13 Quellism joined perl6
23:14 drbean_ is now known as drbean
23:22 FurnaceBoy joined perl6
23:44 unobe__ joined perl6
23:44 unobe__ is now known as unobe
23:54 weinig is now known as weinig|away

| Channels | #perl6 index | Today | | Search | Google Search | Plain-Text | summary

Perl 6 | Reference Documentation | Rakudo