Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

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04:07 cmarcelo audreyt: i'm not sure if you're subscribed in haskell.org, if not take a look http://www.haskell.org//pipermail/​haskell/2006-May/thread.html#18030
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06:22 audreyt cmarcelo: I was not; I iwll now
06:26 svnbot6 r10456 | cmarcelo++ | - JudySL low-level bindings done
06:26 svnbot6 r10456 | cmarcelo++ | - TODO updates based on emails from Haskell mailing list
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06:27 cmarcelo audreyt: people freaked out about opensource licenses =P
06:29 Alias_ ?
06:30 cmarcelo i was introducing HsJudy (judy bindings for haskell) to haskell people and suddenly they were talking about whether (L)GPL was really open source etc..
06:31 Alias_ ah
06:31 Alias_ :)
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06:33 audreyt cmarcelo: ignore them :)
06:33 audreyt <- already spent one entire week of her life working out all LGPL ramifications with allison
06:34 audreyt cmarcelo: it boils down to that as long as we still -ljudy, and release HsJudy with BSD license, there's nothing people should worry about.
06:34 audreyt they can use HsJudy asif it's BSD
06:35 audreyt and even if statically linked, their code still does not need to be redistributed in LGPL at all, and cn use whatever license as they see fit
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06:36 cmarcelo audreyt: great! and did you see Bulat's points on the project? i "summarized" his(?) points in HsJudy/TODO ...
06:36 GeJ hello all
06:39 audreyt yup, I saw those
06:39 audreyt good points
06:39 audreyt (bbiab)
06:41 cmarcelo audreyt: the most critical thing (i think) is this StablePtr overhead...
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07:36 dduncan with all the latest developments, what is the current estimate for when 6.2.12 will be released?
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07:45 audreyt dduncan: before I board the plane to norway
07:45 audreyt which is June 13th
07:51 dduncan okay audreyt, thanks for the info
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15:09 Coke__ was just talking to the author of Readonly - is something like this going to be in core p6 ?
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15:17 Alias_ what a stupid name
15:17 Alias_ he should have lowercased it :(
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15:19 Juerd Alias_: Wrap it :)
15:19 obra Alias_: how's Task::Warn?
15:19 Alias_ wha?
15:19 Coke__ lowercase is reserved for pragmas. That's not a pragma.
15:19 Alias_ obra: What would that do?
15:19 Juerd Alias_: Is this Task:: related to xmath's Task module?
15:19 Juerd Coke__: It's not reserved.
15:19 Coke__ hang on.
15:20 Juerd Coke__: It's also used for cute syntax with "use".
15:20 Juerd use again 'Foo::Bar';
15:20 obra er
15:20 obra sorry
15:20 obra Task::Weaken
15:20 obra brain dropping syllables
15:20 Alias_ Well it's written...
15:20 Alias_ :)
15:21 Alias_ No feedback from downstream yet, but only PPI is using it so far
15:21 Coke__ -> (11:20) Private message from Sue D. Nymme [bananas], to Coke:
15:21 Coke__ - ... honestly, because I thought it was pretentious of me to think that it
15:21 Coke__ - would ever rise to the level of a pragma.
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15:22 obra I was contemplating using it.
15:22 obra The Task:: namespace scares me a little bit, thogh
15:22 Alias_ That's only because it's new
15:22 Alias_ But you may well want to wait a little bit and see what happens
15:23 Alias_ This stuff tends to take months to shake out, as the fallout cascades downstream
15:23 Alias_ And Task:: is just a modernised Bundle::
15:24 Coke__ anyway, back to my original question - is Readonly going to be a core thing in perl6? I fully admit to not having kept up with the apoc/exe/syn.
15:25 obra Alias_: sure. that's why I mention it.
15:25 Alias_ obra: Well, there'll be Module::Install edge cases
15:25 Alias_ But I'm not sure of any major cases
15:25 Alias_ But I'm not willing to attest to that until PITA is up and running
15:27 obra understood
15:28 Alias_ But it doesn't do anything in this first release that you couldn't replace with your own tests for the presence of weaken, for now
15:28 Alias_ Not in the first release anyway
15:28 obra Yeah, but it's all about a build-time dependency
15:29 Alias_ ?
15:30 obra Sorry. "I need to fail 'perl Makefile.PL' unless weaken is present"
15:30 Alias_ obra: Yes, I need to :)
15:30 obra Yeah. You beat me to implementation by about a day
15:30 obra Except, I was going to call it Scalar::Util::Weaken
15:30 * Alias_ nods
15:30 Alias_ I didn't feel it was worthy of that
15:31 obra *nod*
15:31 obra That seemed to be the easiest way to possibly have graham absorb it later
15:31 Alias_ aaahhh
15:31 Alias_ ok
15:31 Alias_ I didn't see the thing in P5P until after though
15:31 Alias_ I had my own issues with Dapper
15:31 Alias_ Which trigger doing it
15:31 Alias_ triggered
15:31 obra *nod*
15:31 Alias_ And RedHat... sigh
15:32 obra I've seen it in other non-linux places too
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15:32 Alias_ I've seen them come and go in single releases a few times in other distros
15:32 Alias_ It's a fairly safe call that it would be all over the place
15:33 obra I've seen it on a lot of badly maintained local perls
15:33 obra (We get a lot of that with RT)
15:33 * Alias_ nods
15:33 Alias_ On the absorbing thing though, I think I went with the "better to stay out of his way altogether"
15:33 Alias_ ... logic
15:34 rgs hmm distros
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