Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

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00:07 dduncan regarding my CPANPLUS comment, I ended up filing an RT item: https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=22627
00:07 lambdabot http://tinyurl.com/vg296
00:16 avar wrt p6doc, is there any documentation similar to perldoc -f *?
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00:43 svnbot6 r14536 | avar++ | * State more clearly that chomp removes one newline
00:50 eviltwin_b huh.  and hs-plugins is also known broken, I see.  (worth reinstalling 6.4 to make it work?)
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00:59 dduncan or install 6.6 if you're on a supported platform
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01:01 Tene yay, pugs is much faster on 6.6
01:02 Debolaz Would the appropriate way to read a yaml configuration file be slurp($filename).eval(:lang<yaml>); ?
01:04 eviltwin_b there's also evalfile
01:04 eviltwin_b hrm, wonder if my perl is still hosed.  Task::Smoke dependencies threw lots of odd warnings
01:04 eviltwin_b s/perl/&5/
01:05 eviltwin_b (or s:P5 if it makes you happier... :)
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01:14 avar garg, either I'm blind or the POD tools that come with Perl 5 are totally useless for my purposes
01:15 avar I was going to implement p6doc -f with Pod::Select by say reading =item * log10 from S29 but it only supports getting level one headings
01:16 * avar just uses Pod::Parser
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01:57 avar I've found a way to retrive a section in S29 using Pod::Parser but it's a bit terse, subclass che command, verbatim and textblock subs and keep track of line numbers
01:57 avar e.g.:
01:57 avar 997: chomp
01:57 avar 999:  our Str multi method chomp ( Str $string: ) is export
01:57 avar 1001: Returns string with one newline removed from the end.
02:01 avar any better suggestions?:)
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03:02 mugwump audreyt: did Alias' rounding up of sponsorship for your travelling to osdc.com.au get anywhere?
03:02 audreyt I havn't heard anything yet.
03:05 audreyt (bbl)
03:13 meppl guten morgen
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03:37 eviltwin_b meh.  release passed its tests but svn is dying.
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05:28 nothingmuch morning
05:29 * eviltwin_b sighs
05:30 eviltwin_b failures are reproducible.  t/builtins/io/unlink for starters.  logging this run.
05:31 * eviltwin_b should really go to bed and worry about it tomorrow
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06:59 robotron hi
07:03 robotron i get a error while compiling pugs
07:03 robotron http://nopaste.php-q.net/249685
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07:30 robotron works now...
07:30 robotron *selfslap*
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08:22 kane-xs dduncan: feel free to find me on irc :)
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11:49 meppl gugu
11:54 robotron gaga
11:54 meppl gugu robotron
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14:18 robotron grr!
14:18 robotron after 12h compiling
14:18 robotron Build failed: 2304 at util/build_pugs.pl line 359.
14:18 robotron 12h one file :)
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16:28 eviltwin_b 12h on one file?  what, 32MB system? :)
16:29 * Limbic_Region was wondering if robotron was compiling ghc, perl, and oh yeah and OS there too
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16:32 TreyHarris well, didn't he say he only had 64mb or ram?
16:32 TreyHarris s/or/of/
16:33 TreyHarris ghc does *not* like to be memory-starved
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16:35 eviltwin_b scrollback says 128MB.  but yeh, that's him.  doomed.
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16:44 Patterner Nobody needs more than 640kb.
16:46 [particle] Everybody is the new Nobody
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19:20 Limbic_Region wow - less than a dozen lines of "chatter" in the last 7 hours
19:21 * Limbic_Region livens things up by expelling some flatuence vociferously
19:27 fglock ouch
19:30 Cugel People are working on Perl 6. hopefully.
19:35 * Limbic_Region looks around now that the air has cleared and tears aren't running down cheeks and notes that it is a little less quiet
19:36 eviltwin_b just working, sadly.  still don't know why I got a bum build from svn ont he home box :(
19:40 TreyHarris i'm watching audreyt give a talk on jifty right now :)
19:42 Limbic_Region oh, well I hope the flatuence didn't waft into the next room
19:42 Limbic_Region and I seriously hope she didn't put up the channel on the projector
19:42 TreyHarris lol
19:42 TreyHarris no, she'll probably do that for her perl 6 talk, which doesn't start for 2.25 hours :)
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19:43 johannes_ hi
19:43 Limbic_Region salutations
19:45 johannes_ i have a proble while compiling pugs
19:45 johannes_ http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=70560
19:46 johannes_ any suggestions?
19:50 johannes_ :/
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19:51 Juerd (Somewhat late) SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
19:51 Juerd Feather will be unreachable for a few hours tonight
19:51 Juerd Starting approx. 1 hr from now.
19:52 Juerd We're doing an emergency moving of our main router
19:52 Juerd (From one building, to another one where we think it will be safer :))
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19:53 johannes_ maybe someone has time to help me out then ;)
19:55 TimToady johannes_: do you have a src/Pugs directory?
19:55 Debolaz Has anybody drawn up a comparison between perl 6, ruby, python, etc? Ie, features that are perceived as strengths that the other languages don't have or at least are more obscure.
19:56 johannes_ yes,
19:56 johannes_ its a fresh checkout from svn
19:59 TimToady that's a very strange error to get then.  if it were failing to create the file for any other reason, it shouldn't complain about a missing file or directory
19:59 johannes_ i'll record the whole configure && make output
20:00 TimToady the only other way I can think to get the error would be if there were a symbolic link pointing to somewhere nonexistent.
20:00 Limbic_Region TimToady - were you aware of the rosettastone.org project?
20:01 * Limbic_Region checks the case of that path
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20:01 TimToady never heard of it.
20:02 Limbic_Region supposedly the largest collection of linguist data around
20:02 Limbic_Region I can't get the site to come up though
20:02 Limbic_Region johannes_ - that is a strange error
20:03 TimToady I just get a web-hosting page.  maybe they forgot to renew their name...
20:03 Limbic_Region I found the link and description at http://www.longnow.org/ so perhaps it is an antiquated link
20:03 lambdabot Title: The Long Now Foundation
20:04 Limbic_Region johannes_ have you verified that src/Pugs/pugs_version.h exists?
20:05 TimToady and if not, what happens if you try to create it yourself?
20:05 johannes_ Limbic_Region: when the pugs_version.h is beeing created?
20:05 johannes_ while Configure.PL ?
20:05 Limbic_Region Configure.PL ?
20:05 Limbic_Region that's parrot
20:05 Limbic_Region not pugs
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20:05 Limbic_Region pugs should be Makefile.PL
20:06 johannes_ yes, Makefile.PL
20:06 johannes_ my bad
20:06 Limbic_Region johannes_ - right now at this moment, does it exist?
20:07 Limbic_Region if not, what happens when you try to create it?
20:07 Limbic_Region it is only two lines btw - #undef PUGS_SVN_REVISION and #define PUGS_SVN_REVISION <rev_level>
20:07 johannes_ after checkout, there is no such file, at the moment i'm in the Makefile.PL step
20:07 Limbic_Region k
20:08 johannes_ after Makefile.PL file still doesn't exist
20:09 johannes_ k, i'll try it
20:09 Limbic_Region and if you try to create it by hand?
20:10 johannes_ now it compiles
20:11 * Limbic_Region is trying to reproduce your problem without performing a fresh checkout
20:11 TimToady if you got it from the svn repository, why isn't it the most recent version?
20:12 Limbic_Region TimToady - the pugs_version.h file is dynamically created IIRC
20:12 TimToady which svn repo did you use?
20:12 johannes_ i think it is
20:12 Limbic_Region I know that audreyt made some changes to how that works recently
20:12 TimToady what does svn info say?
20:12 johannes_ http://svn.perl.org/perl6/pugs/trunk
20:12 TimToady ah, that's derivative.
20:12 lambdabot Title: Revision 13329: /pugs/trunk
20:12 TimToady and will have the wrong version number
20:13 Limbic_Region I am not sure that's a problem - it is updated dynamically
20:13 Limbic_Region not with checkouts
20:13 TimToady stongly recommend using http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs instead
20:13 lambdabot Title: Revision 14536: /
20:13 johannes_ ok, i'll test it
20:13 Limbic_Region I just deleted my file, did an svn up, and a perl Makefile.PL and it is still missing
20:13 TimToady it's make that recreates it
20:13 Limbic_Region attempting nmake now
20:14 TimToady but there may well be fixes in there that depend on knowing what the openfoundry rev is, not the perl.org rev.
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20:14 Limbic_Region yeah - you are definately on the right track
20:14 Limbic_Region mine was created just fine
20:18 johannes_ yeh, this works
20:19 johannes_ now all the pugs_* file are being created
20:19 TimToady yay!
20:20 Limbic_Region TimToady++
20:20 TimToady johannes_: have you got a commit bit yet?
20:21 TimToady if not send you "who at where dot domain" and I can send you a commit bit.
20:21 TimToady *your
20:22 Limbic_Region TimToady - you assume johannes_ has an email address? (-:
20:24 Limbic_Region oh, it is close enough to the weekend - TTFN all
20:35 johannes_ commit bit == i'm able to commit things?
20:36 [particle] yep
20:36 [particle] like modifying the AUTHORS file
20:36 johannes_ at the moment i'm just playing around
20:37 [particle] well, if you're playing around and want to add a test, or fix a typo, you'll be able to if you have a commit bit
20:39 TimToady basically, all of us are just playing around. :)
20:40 johannes_ :) u need my email address? [email@hidden.address]
20:41 TimToady a commit bit is on its way.
20:41 TimToady it is customary to add yourself to AUTHORS first just to make sure it's working right.
20:42 TimToady whatever you do after that is up to you.
20:42 johannes_ thanks, i'll test in 30min, dinner first
20:42 TimToady you don't need to ask permission.  we operate on the principle of asking forgiveness rather than permission.
20:42 webmind johannes_, bon appatit
20:43 TimToady essen Sie gut!
20:53 lichtkind woah TimToady speaks german
20:54 lichtkind but no german says "essen sie gut"
20:54 Patterner Guten Appetit :)
20:54 mauke mahlzeit
20:54 lichtkind genau
20:55 mauke "an guadn"
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20:56 Patterner bavarian is not german
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20:58 TimToady ich habe Deutsch ganz vergessen...
20:58 cj yay for audreyt
20:59 audreyt__ greetings from @amazon.com
20:59 * [particle] waves out his window across the city
21:00 TimToady I take it feather is already down...
21:00 mauke wir sollten die perl6-entwicklung komplett auf deutsch umstellen; das wäre eine gute übung
21:01 audreyt__ feather can't accept connections
21:01 audreyt__ but can apparently still connect outward
21:01 audreyt__ it says router is being rerouted
21:01 TimToady juerd said it was going down for rerouting
21:01 TimToady so maybe you are the real audreyt after all  :)
21:03 cj what is feather?
21:03 webmind shell machine for perl6
21:03 cj aha
21:03 webmind but uhm
21:03 webmind I'm on feather
21:04 TimToady maybe they're just waiting for you to quit.  :)
21:04 webmind doubt it :)
21:05 TimToady well, not even the dutch can explain the dutch...
21:06 Cugel Hey hey.
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21:19 audreyt__ TreyHarris, cj: http://svn.jifty.org/svn/jifty.org/jifty/trunk/doc/talks/amazon-jifty.pdf
21:19 lambdabot http://tinyurl.com/wfx89
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21:22 cj audreyt__: danke
21:23 cj heh.  comes with a pony.  dha would be proud
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21:36 * audreyt__ gets ready for talk #2 @ amazon, live in 24 minutes...
21:38 TimToady gotta vamøøse, alas.  knock 'em dead.
21:38 audreyt__ TimToady: are you not making to .br?
21:38 audreyt__ I was told a couple days ago that I'm to prepare as your keynote surrogate...
21:40 * cj prepares to leave for audreyt__'s talk
21:44 * audreyt__ is still working on her slides....
21:44 TreyHarris audreyt__: i'll be down in 10m with the video adapter
21:44 Cugel 20 minutes left.
21:44 audreyt__ TreyHarris: roger
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22:18 Juerd Feather isn't going down, I'm not being allowed to the data centre where the main router is.
22:19 Juerd They (management) beat us to it, with an order to keep us out.
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22:51 buu Juerd: Good lord, why not?
22:51 Juerd They claim bills weren't paid.
22:52 Juerd For some reason, my cash money isn't accepted as a short term solution.
22:52 Juerd I don't know the details. It's not my business.
22:52 Juerd But I am rather disappointed.
22:52 Juerd Especially because now, I have to come back another time. And spend another night.
22:55 johannes_ Yes, this <beeeep>
23:16 johannes_ johannes@joejoe:~/seminar/testing/pugs$ pugs -BPIR -e 'say "Hello";'
23:16 johannes_ Segmentation fault (core dumped)
23:16 johannes_ :/
23:16 johannes_ going to bed
23:16 johannes_ n8 all
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23:19 johannes_ pugs compiles, parrot crashes
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23:28 TimToady audreyt__: no, I can't make it to Brazil--I'm not really healthy enough to travel right now even if Gloria were healthy, and she's been sick for three weeks now, and we're just barely coping from day to day.
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23:36 johannes_ which backend is defaut in pugs?
23:36 TimToady p5, not parrot
23:37 johannes_ but, parrot is working? or which version parrot is working?
23:37 johannes_ pugs -BPir -e 'say "Hello World!";'
23:38 TimToady the parrot backend has undergone some bitrot recently, and needs to be patched up probably
23:38 johannes_ Segmentation fault (core dumped)
23:38 johannes_ but, weird:
23:39 johannes_ pugs -CPir -e 'say "Hello World!";' > hello.pir && chmod +x hello.pir && ./hello.pir
23:39 ashleyb TimToady: not feeling well, gosh... can I bring over some dinner for you guys?  would that help out?
23:39 johannes_ error:imcc:The opcode 'sin_p_p' (sin<2>) was not found. Check the type and number of the arguments
23:39 johannes_        in file './hello.pir' line 743
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23:46 eviltwin_b svn parrot cored in its own test suite, so I gave it as miss building pugs
23:47 eviltwin_b (of course, then svn pugs threw some failures that the release version hadn't...)

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