Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

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00:00 eviltwin_b I have a vague recollection of their trying to convert their entire repo and having the conversion script choke, but that was several months back
00:01 cmarcelo Aankhen``: indeed it is.. gnome folks recently tried migrate everything to SVN twice and are still on CVS..
00:01 Aankhen`` Ouch.
00:01 clkao really. i wonder why kde and gcc actaully migrated then
00:03 audreyt reinvite all done.
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00:03 gnuvince audreyt: thanks for the commit bit :)
00:04 audreyt :)
00:04 gnuvince Quick question though, the email mentionned that my username was gnuvince, but I chose vfoley in the registration dialog, does that change anything?<
00:05 awwaiid what are you all doing, some sort of pyramid scheme? :)
00:05 audreyt that's fine
00:05 audreyt you can change nick anytime
00:05 eviltwin_b probably depends on the complexity of the revision history
00:05 audreyt awwaiid: yes!
00:05 awwaiid hah
00:05 audreyt awwaiid: want a commit bit? what's your email?
00:05 awwaiid [email@hidden.address]
00:06 clkao audreyt: the commitbit runs on weird 9999 port
00:06 gnuvince cool domain name
00:06 audreyt clkao: I know. jifty wants to be toplevel and I lack the fu to setup virtualhost on apache1 just today
00:06 audreyt or, actually: how do I convince jifty to not be toplevel?
00:07 audreyt i.e. /css/ and /__jifty/ etc
00:07 eviltwin_b Pyramid of Unusual Global Size?
00:07 awwaiid audreyt, also see perlbal for fancy virtualhost++ :)
00:07 audreyt awwaiid: welcome aboard :) please add yourself to AUTHORS and commit
00:07 audreyt that isn't a bad idea :)
00:07 audreyt but, not today
00:07 awwaiid right
00:08 clkao audreyt: what do you use for diagram these days?
00:08 audreyt clkao: OmniGraffle
00:08 audreyt only piece of proprietary software I depend on, if you don't count the macintel kernel
00:09 smash_ nice top
00:09 smash_ (ups)
00:10 clkao :/
00:12 obra clkao: rumor is of a core duo to macbook this month
00:12 obra want to slip the customer hsip date? ;)
00:13 audreyt repairing evalbot
00:13 audreyt syncd will have to wait
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00:14 audreyt ?eval 1+1
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00:14 clkao hsip?
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00:36 svnbot6 r14676 | Sage++ | Adding a todo on the Perl5 to Perl6 translation. Since my work has slowed down because of school work, I thought I'd add some thoughts on where the code is going, to show what I'm considering for the future.
00:37 audreyt journal and p6a posts up
00:38 audreyt have fun, I'll fade now. see you tomorrow... &
00:42 smash_ Compiling Pugs.AST.Internals # is completely trashing my system
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00:48 Patterner hmm... "unknown host commitbit.pugscode.org"
00:50 [particle] it should forward you to svn.pugscode.org:9999
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01:02 cj audreyt: just got an email from you about a commit bit...
01:02 cj Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at svn.pugscode.org:9999.
01:03 cj sage: M-q
01:05 diakopter dj: works for me.
01:06 diakopter cj:
01:06 mugwump did somebody just send out admin bits to everyone?
01:07 cmarcelo mugwump: yes
01:07 eviltwin_b pugs just relocated, and everyone's been re-invited
01:08 cmarcelo there's a blog post with details on how change svn/svk to the new repo url..
01:10 cmarcelo I think it was intentional giving meta-commits (admin) to everyone...
01:11 eviltwin_b looked to me like everyone was an admin on openfoundry too
01:12 obra not everybody got admin bits
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01:15 cmarcelo obra: apparently diakopter is author but can see admin screens.. maybe its read-only?
01:15 diakopter I guess I could try to update something temporarily just to test it.
01:16 obra diakopter: change the punctuation of the pugs description
01:16 cmarcelo diakopter: there's a people menu where you can delete people from project?
01:16 obra diakopter: change the blurb on http://svn.pugscode.org:9999/admin/project/Pugs
01:17 lambdabot Title: Login, http://tinyurl.com/yyyr6c
01:20 diakopter oh good, it says permission denied.
01:20 diakopter heh.
01:21 diakopter all alarmed about nothing, I guess I was.
01:21 obra oh good :)
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01:24 mugwump is there going to be svnweb support or similar soon, obra ?
01:24 mugwump oh, there's a url entry for it
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01:57 Limbic_Region question - Perl6::Grammar has been usurped by Pugs::Compiler::Rule but has PCR been usurped by anything?
01:58 Limbic_Region and why is PCR called PCR if it is pure perl 5?
02:01 SamB because it is in the pugs repo?
02:02 avar Limbic_Region: Why do you think something being called "Pugs" and being written in p5 is mutually exclusive?
02:03 Limbic_Region avar - I don't
02:04 Limbic_Region it is an open question, actually asked by merlyn
02:04 Limbic_Region SamB - but it is also on CPAN and it might be misleading to someone not in the know that they don't need Pugs to use it
02:04 Limbic_Region namespaces can be confusing because ppl read more into them than is there
02:05 SamB so?
02:05 Limbic_Region SamB - I am not suggesting anything is wrong or that anything change
02:05 Limbic_Region I am merely asking why it is the way it is (if there is a reason)
02:06 SamB hysterical raisons?
02:06 Limbic_Region yep, would be my guess
02:06 Limbic_Region before it was completely p5
02:06 SamB or before it was on CPAN
02:07 Limbic_Region right
02:10 Limbic_Region thanks
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02:18 * araujo thanks audreyt for invitation :-)
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02:32 araujo audreyt, you and TimToady will make me screw up Pugs and then don't tell me i didn't warn you :-)
02:33 cj araujo: we've got good docs about how things get screwed up, so we should be fine :)
02:34 araujo cj, hah
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02:44 geoffb audreyt: Just enabled my admin account under the new repo.  Noticed that the user management interface of CommitBit doesn't have a "bulk add", like many email addresses in one text box -- that might be a useful thing when you want to hand out bits to a several people.
02:45 geoffb Oh, and thanks.  :-)
02:51 Limbic_Region geoffb - she handed out lots and lots of bits at once - she scripted it
02:55 araujo Limbic_Region, don't say that ... i wanted to feel *special*
03:08 buu You are special!
03:08 cmarcelo @tell audreyt in src/MO/Compile/Class.hs all_class_methods isn't getting the attribute accessors, I suppose this is intended but is /= from the conclusion I got talking to you yesterday (or before). just checking. (6.4.2 compatibility on the way...)
03:09 lambdabot Consider it noted.
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04:01 * cj prepares to push some code
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04:19 svnbot6 r14677 | cmarcelo++ | * src/MO: allows compilation in GHC 6.4.2.
04:21 pasteling "cmarcelo" at 200.232.237.143 pasted "re MO(H): redefining "data NoResponse" to "data NoResponse m" .. check line 43 of src/MO/Run.hs" (28 lines, 784B) at http://sial.org/pbot/20966
04:23 cmarcelo @tell audreyt check this paste when you can: http://sial.org/pbot/20966
04:23 lambdabot Consider it noted.
04:26 cmarcelo sleep &
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05:05 svnbot6 r14678 | zgh++ | - set %*ENV<REQUEST_METHOD> (for CGI)
05:16 gaal oi. the rss feed is regurgitating very old commits...
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06:20 geoffb @tell Limbic_Region Yep, I knew that ... still, is there ever a bad reason to say "thank you"?  :-)
06:20 lambdabot Consider it noted.
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07:31 svnbot6 r14679 | zgh++ | [CGI.pm]
07:31 svnbot6 r14679 | zgh++ |  - added self. to internal method calls in load_params
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08:30 christopher Now that the SVN server has relocated, is there a place where I can browse the revision log, like http://rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/Source/index.html/pugs/log/?Queue=1&amp;limit=200&amp;submit=Show%21 ?
08:30 lambdabot Title: OpenFoundry&#40;è‡ªç”±è»Ÿé«”é‘„é€ å ´-專案開發平台&#41; -- OSSF, http://tinyurl.com/y2536v
08:34 masak just wanted to report that the svn switch as advertised in the channel topic didn't work out for me
08:35 masak however, a checkout from the new location did
08:35 christopher masak: I think there should be "pugs" at the end of the first URL in the topic
08:40 masak christopher: you might be right. can anyone (1) confirm that the current command in the topic doesn't work, but that christopher++'s addition does, and (2) change the topic?
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08:53 dakkar did something change in the hosting of Pugs? I just received a message asking me to set a password... but I already had an account on openfoundry
08:53 dakkar ok, the topic tells something...
08:54 lumi dakkar: The repository's been moved
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08:54 dakkar lumi: I assumed as much ;-) reasons?
08:54 lumi Apparently that command in the topic doesn't work (I use svk so I didn't use it)
08:54 lumi openfoundry goes down too much, I think?
08:55 dakkar well, that command looks like it needs something after the «http://svn.openfoundry.org/» part
08:57 lumi It probably wants a /pugs, yeah
08:58 lumi If you're in svn, and adding that bit works, we can change the topic
08:58 dakkar I don't have a worknig copy right now... it's in a backup disk, I rebuilt my machine last week
09:00 lumi No worries then, but the password invites are real
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09:01 christopher lumi: worked for me with "/pugs" when I tried with svn 4-5 hours ago
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09:05 lumi I'll try it..
09:06 lumi changes topic to: svn switch --relocate http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/ | run.pugscode.org | spec.pugscode.org | paste: http://sial.org/pbot/perl6 | pugs.blogs.com
09:11 xinming lumi: How about svk?
09:11 xinming :-p
09:12 lumi svk mi --relocate //mirror/pugs http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/ # is what I did
09:12 lambdabot Title: Revision 14679: /
09:12 lumi Um thanks, lambdabot
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10:20 Coleoid Is anyone in channel able to help with a make failure on Win32?
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10:20 Coleoid NMAKE : fatal error U1073: don't know how to make 'Spec/_svn/tmp/Functions.pod.tmp'
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10:41 Coleoid With a bit of hacking on Makefile.PL and Makefile, I got it to build...
10:42 Coleoid Though I know what I've got is only 20% of the correct answer.
10:44 Coleoid The short story is that on Win32, dot prefixed directories are incorrectly handled by Visual Studio...
10:44 Coleoid So a SVN client option is to have the .svn directories as _svn instead...
10:45 Coleoid And the makefiles have magic to avoid .svn/ wherever, but not _svn.
10:51 Coleoid Anyone with makefile fu, I'd appreciate an approach that might be worth committing.
10:51 Coleoid work &
10:53 dduncan while I've already moved over to the new repo, I notice the old one was missing most of its commits
10:54 dduncan just having 343
10:59 dakkar they're probably still mirroring
11:02 dduncan nothings moving ... the old repo is staying at 343
11:02 dakkar but the new repository has the most recent version?
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11:12 svnbot6 r14680 | rootmj++ | [PaP6-testing]
11:12 svnbot6 r14680 | rootmj++ | * switch URL for pugs repository
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11:16 elmex hmm
11:17 elmex why was i sent a pugs commitbit?
11:18 dakkar elmex: you probably had a commit bit in the old openfoundry repository
11:18 elmex ok
11:18 elmex that was it
11:18 dakkar the repository has been moved
11:19 dakkar it caught some of us by surprise ;-)
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12:02 fglock no commits today - I'm stuck upgrading OS X - I found some links about it but it didn't help - http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=17584
12:02 lambdabot fglock: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
12:02 lambdabot Title: Perpetual OS X Installation - InsanelyMac Forum, http://tinyurl.com/y83wpb
12:04 fglock ashleyb: thanks!
12:07 audreyt greetings lambdacamels
12:07 lambdabot audreyt: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
12:07 audreyt @massages
12:07 lambdabot cmarcelo said 8h 58m 23s ago: in src/MO/Compile/Class.hs all_class_methods isn't getting the attribute accessors, I suppose this is intended but is /= from the conclusion I got talking to you
12:07 lambdabot yesterday (or before). just checking. (6.4.2 compatibility on the way...)
12:07 lambdabot cmarcelo said 7h 43m 33s ago: check this paste when you can: http://sial.org/pbot/20966
12:08 audreyt fglock: oy, your macbook locked?
12:09 audreyt fglock: put DVD#1 into the cdrom; shut down the computer; press C and don't relesae that key; press power button
12:09 audreyt fglock: then wait a while when it boots into DVD; from there you have a Terminal
12:10 audreyt and you can hunt down the cause by either doing an upgrade install or removing the offending files
12:10 audreyt it also helps to first boot with the apple key and V (Cmd+V) pressed so you can see at which step it's hanging
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12:12 audreyt Coleoid: can you paste the patch to http://sial.org/pbot/perl6 ?
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12:16 fglock audreyt: will do - thanks!
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12:26 nothingmuch mooooosen
12:27 audreyt nothingmuch: hi moose!
12:27 nothingmuch hola
12:28 audreyt nothingmuch: how's life?
12:28 nothingmuch sleep is screwey, skin is unhappy
12:28 nothingmuch but asiide from thatall good
12:29 clkao moose
12:29 clkao audreyt: new repository so far so good?
12:32 nothingmuch how's life on the other side of the planet?
12:32 audreyt clkao: so far so good
12:33 audreyt openfoundry got stuck autosyncing
12:33 audreyt so I guess we'll have to push to it manually
12:33 svnbot6 r14681 | audreyt++ | * Remove the irrelevant parts of early sketches from src/PIL/.
12:33 audreyt I think svnsync is the way to go
12:33 audreyt I think.
12:34 clkao right, it could sync to ancient server
12:36 fglock audreyt: I guess I'll reinstall from scratch, after saving yesterday work on MP6
12:36 audreyt fglock: oy :/ so sorry to hear that
12:37 audreyt I think you want /opt and /usr/local backed up
12:37 audreyt that will save a lot of downloading time
12:37 audreyt as well as /Applications and your /Users/fglock
12:38 audreyt try boot to dvd and rsync them into your other computer
12:38 fglock yes, I'll do that
12:38 audreyt sorry for messing up your /usr/lib -- I think that's the root cause
12:38 fglock np :)
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12:46 nothingmuch audreyt: oh btw
12:46 nothingmuch in Invocation::Method, the caller thing was a hack
12:46 nothingmuch a really really relaly ugly hack =)
12:47 nothingmuch i'm refactoring that so that the responder interface gets, alongside the invocation, extra params
12:47 nothingmuch and the ones that require caller simply depend on getting the "stack" parameter
12:47 nothingmuch which is an object that can be queried for stack frames
12:48 nothingmuch i don't believe there  are anymore yucky yucky hacks except the AG stuff, which you haven't ported anyway
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12:49 nothingmuch workout &
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12:50 audreyt nothingmuch: ok cool, looking forward to refactoring
12:50 audreyt nothingmuch: I think in Haskell we'll put the stack into a monad anyway
12:50 audreyt so it's not carrying it thru invocation
12:51 audreyt and also instead of an Arguments abtraction we'll just use concrete Capture callconv
12:51 audreyt while providing ways to cast other callconvs into Perl6 Captures
12:51 audreyt it's assuming of course that it can subsume all other callconvs.
12:51 audreyt (but I think it can.)
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12:57 nothingmuch yes, arguments is a list in p5 but a capture in p6
12:58 nothingmuch invocations that don't get subsumed by captures are simply going to use something else ^_^
12:58 audreyt :D
12:59 audreyt in any case the returning continuation will be put into the monad
12:59 audreyt so you can query the Signature of the retcont
12:59 audreyt otherwise known as the context
12:59 audreyt it amounts to the same thing as passing everything with the invocation
13:00 audreyt which is the same as your stackobj.
13:02 audreyt clkao: openfoundry has no revpropchg hook
13:03 audreyt clkao: so, what do we do. can pushmi help?
13:03 clkao right
13:03 clkao not immediately. pushmi has to be installed in slave site
13:03 audreyt i.e. pretend we are slave to openfoundry
13:03 audreyt and relay commits to there
13:03 audreyt but script a replay
13:04 audreyt of prev commits
13:04 clkao won't work when openfoundry is down then
13:04 audreyt not realtime
13:04 audreyt i.e. async not sync
13:04 clkao well, then it's the same as svnsync.
13:04 audreyt but it wouldn't require revprop?
13:04 clkao you need prop changes to make the author stuff happy
13:04 audreyt chghook, that is
13:04 audreyt what if I don't care about that?
13:05 clkao one way export? mnmmm
13:06 audreyt I can already do that with handwriten svkmerge
13:06 clkao ya
13:06 audreyt but it's not as reliable as a dedicated replay
13:06 clkao but you still want repository mostly as replicate right?
13:06 clkao so you can do sw
13:06 audreyt well no
13:06 audreyt not in the case of openfoundry
13:06 clkao then just sm -I all the time
13:07 audreyt or svm ;))
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13:07 clkao but this is going to be a bit tricky for svk
13:07 clkao because the two repositories have the same uuid
13:07 clkao why don't you commit a revision in openfoundry to delete everything except a README saying this repository has moved
13:07 audreyt no we changed the uuid
13:08 clkao on openfoundry? or the dump i had?
13:08 audreyt on openfoundry
13:08 clkao good
13:08 clkao so sm -I would work
13:10 nothingmuch audreyt: yes, the stack obj is for p5 land
13:12 audreyt nothingmuch: if you carefully erase all calls using &goto
13:12 audreyt then you can make caller() be your stack obj in p5 land :)
13:12 audreyt may be insane, though. nvm
13:13 nothingmuch yes
13:13 nothingmuch that is the plan for the p5 "emitter"
13:13 audreyt oh, so you anticipated the insanity
13:13 nothingmuch that all hooks are wrapped in a secret gotoing frame
13:13 audreyt good good.
13:13 audreyt yup.
13:13 nothingmuch for e.g.private methods
13:13 audreyt btw, p5 does not distinguish clsmeth with instancemeth
13:13 nothingmuch clkao's local-stack fudge may be very veyr useful for this toio
13:13 audreyt neither does p6
13:14 nothingmuch i know
13:14 audreyt how do you forsee we make use of separate slots?
13:14 nothingmuch wait
13:14 nothingmuch p6 doesn't?
13:14 audreyt no it does not
13:14 nothingmuch in p5 the plan was to just mush them together on the responder interface level
13:14 nothingmuch yuck =(
13:14 audreyt why yuck?
13:14 nothingmuch with a hook-frame that does if ref blah
13:14 audreyt ::Point.x will simply respond with an error of uninitialized x in the slot
13:15 audreyt i.e. the layout created for ::Point is nil
13:15 nothingmuch because object methods want instance data, they don't make sense as class methods
13:15 audreyt while ::Point.new will have a proper layout
13:15 clkao audreyt: did you see my selfless hack
13:15 nothingmuch and class methods as instance methods are not completely bork, but also quite silly
13:15 audreyt but you never know; maybe they don't want instance data
13:15 audreyt maybe derived class use methods to emulate instance data
13:15 nothingmuch then they should be a module, not a class ;-)
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13:15 audreyt clkao: url?
13:15 clkao audreyt: p5p
13:16 nothingmuch i don't mean to say it's useless
13:16 audreyt it's just very p5ish :)
13:16 nothingmuch it's just not as useful as a separate namespace
13:16 nothingmuch but whatever
13:16 audreyt yeah. I initially find it surprising as well
13:16 audreyt but then ify ou think about prototype OO systems
13:16 audreyt then it makes perfect sense to have an unified method table
13:16 clkao audreyt: http://groups.google.com/group/perl.perl5.porters/browse_thread/thread/b149efcaa4fd449/eb02c94cfb580d09?lnk=st&amp;q=selfless+perl&amp;rnum=2&amp;hl=en#eb02c94cfb580d09
13:17 lambdabot Title: Google Groups: perl.perl5.porters, http://tinyurl.com/tfupd
13:17 nothingmuch that's cruft from prototype systems, IMHO ;-)
13:17 nothingmuch prototype systems make sense that way when the prototype is indeed a prototype
13:17 nothingmuch but the mother of all prototypes is just nil
13:22 audreyt clkao: nice :)
13:23 audreyt nothingmuch: I don't disagree -- but S12 has a consistent design and I'd like to go with it for a while and see how it breaks :)
13:24 audreyt @tell cmarcelo indeed; we should probably just remove the class_methods etc from the typeclass Class.
13:24 lambdabot Consider it noted.
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13:25 audreyt clkao: deploy that on jifty any time soon? :)
13:25 audreyt clkao: also, I think Spiffy has the right idea
13:25 audreyt any subs that has a prototype is exempted from selflessing
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13:25 audreyt becuase in p5 prototypes doesn't work on methods
13:25 audreyt so it's a clear sign that it's Not A Method.
13:26 audreyt makes sense to you?
13:26 clkao audreyt: i know.  those are the trivial bits. right now my version segfaults for unknown reasons
13:26 audreyt you just need to install more segments!
13:26 clkao or more faults
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13:36 audreyt it appears I broke svn.openfoundry.org/pugs entirely...
13:36 audreyt requesting technical assistence from openfoundry team :/
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13:44 clkao how long is it gonna take?
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13:51 audreyt I don't know. worst case I can rm pugs and start anew there
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14:14 fglock not sure if I got it right - is chromatic volunteering to implement a Parrot backend?
14:14 fglock that would be nice
14:14 fglock for MP6 :)
14:15 audreyt fglock: yes. get in touch with him and point out what he needs to do :)
14:17 * smash_ good afternoon
14:17 audreyt smash_: heya :)
14:18 Limbic_Region so out of curiosity, should MO landing in the repo result in more tests being enabled and passed?
14:18 lambdabot Limbic_Region: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
14:18 Limbic_Region @messages
14:18 * audreyt gives up fighting with svn.openfoundry.org...
14:18 lambdabot geoffb said 7h 57m 33s ago: Yep, I knew that ... still, is there ever a bad reason to say "thank you"? :-)
14:18 audreyt Limbic_Region: yes, once it's hooked up with our calling convention, t/oo/ should all pass
14:18 Limbic_Region woooot
14:18 smash_ audreyt: hiya
14:18 audreyt Limbic_Region: I plan to do that over the next week :)
14:18 audreyt but again no promises -- though the hard part is done over the last 2 months
14:18 Limbic_Region audreyt - when are you traveling?
14:18 audreyt the glue is much easier.
14:19 audreyt I'm in Rio
14:19 audreyt leave brazil in 4 days
14:19 smash_ implement a Parrot backend? for MP6.. hmm
14:19 audreyt so need to finish the glue sketch in 4 days
14:19 audreyt otherwise from past experience I'll be disabled by 7 days following flying back to .tw
14:19 audreyt otoh, it may not be so bad, as $job is not demanding anymore
14:19 Limbic_Region audreyt - on the off chance you get some free time, please post pics somewhere (outdoor pics)
14:20 audreyt and I have another month ahead before flying to france.
14:20 audreyt Limbic_Region: heh. you don't like the two I posted? :)
14:20 * Limbic_Region has been wanting to visit SA for some time now
14:20 audreyt ah. brazil pictures
14:20 audreyt I don't have a camera.
14:20 Limbic_Region :-(
14:20 audreyt and macbook taking pictures outdoors is... fragile
14:20 Limbic_Region steel er um, borrow someone elses
14:20 audreyt there is plenty of Rio pictures on youtube and flickr...
14:20 audreyt not to mention National Geography :)
14:20 Limbic_Region not quite the same as virtually knowing someone who was there
14:20 clkao audreyt: france?
14:21 audreyt clkao: Nice France. work with rgs on unified runtime.
14:21 clkao oh right.
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14:21 clkao why is rgs in Nice
14:21 audreyt apparently it's his parent's place and he grew up there.
14:21 audreyt so coming there for weekend hackathon = no problem
14:21 clkao whoot. what date?
14:22 rgs right
14:22 audreyt Jan 20th
14:22 audreyt 19~21 actually for me
14:22 audreyt not sure what for rgs
14:22 rgs not sure yet
14:22 clkao going anywhere else in europe?
14:22 clkao i will be in taiwan that time
14:22 audreyt no :)
14:22 clkao sugoi
14:22 audreyt oh cool.
14:22 Limbic_Region audreyt - perlmonk's homenode pic is nice, where is the other one?
14:23 audreyt Limbic_Region: the other one is http://pugs.blogs.com/photos/audrey/20061021.html from schwern's place
14:23 lambdabot Title: Audrey: 20061021, http://tinyurl.com/yzcpk4
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14:23 rgs audreyt: probably 20-21st
14:23 audreyt the homenode one is in amazon.com
14:24 audreyt rgs: ok, checked
14:24 rgs or maybe 14-15. I'll know that in a few days
14:24 audreyt ok
14:24 audreyt I'll not announce on pugs.blogs.com before you confirm :)
14:24 rgs since I'm trying to get another job, it's a bit difficult to make plans.
14:25 clkao audreyt: you should get rtw ticket
14:25 clkao audreyt: consult bergman travel inc.
14:26 Limbic_Region very nice
14:26 rgs audreyt: that said, if you have a specific list of topic, or only ideas, you're welcome to sent them in my general direction
14:26 audreyt rgs: ok, will do
14:26 audreyt clkao: rtw?
14:26 clkao round the world
14:28 fglock audreyt: unified runtime = P5+P6 ?
14:28 nnunley Careful. Bergman travel inc. requires first class legs all the way around.
14:29 audreyt fglock: yes
14:29 audreyt and perl4
14:29 nnunley And may choose longest path travel.
14:29 audreyt you'll note perl4 runs on that runtime as well
14:29 clkao more hackathon venues then ;)
14:29 audreyt lunch, bbl
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15:43 Limbic_Region buu when you are about ping me - I think I figured out how to get ssh from work without changing the port ssh is listening on - requires an apache hack and a special ssh client http://dag.wieers.com/howto/ssh-http-tunneling/ and http://proxytunnel.sourceforge.net/
15:43 lambdabot Title: DAG: Tunneling SSH over HTTP(S), http://tinyurl.com/z5emd
15:43 Limbic_Region oops
15:44 Limbic_Region nevermind the man behind the curtain
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16:38 seano hey -- anyone know the proper process-coding-system to feed pugs non-ascii characters inside emacs?
16:43 audreyt seano: utf8?
16:43 audreyt @tell cmarcelo let's just forget GHC 6.4 ever existed :)
16:43 lambdabot Consider it noted.
16:43 audreyt bbiab... &
16:44 avar be back in a blip?
16:45 fglock how to fix "Cannot relocate uninitialized path /mirror/pugs at .../SVN/Mirror.pm" ?
16:46 fglock after "svk mirror --relocate //mirror/pugs http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs"
16:46 lambdabot Title: Revision 14681: /
16:47 seano audreyt: hmph.  Tried that (for both input and output coding, then for terminal coding system), but it still seems to misbehave.  I'll poke around a bit more.
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16:54 lumi fglock: svk mirror --list
16:55 ofer1 what's svk ?
16:55 ofer1 Subveriok ?
16:55 ofer1 Subversiok ?
16:55 dakkar ofer1: it's a sort of super-powered front-end to Subversion
16:56 dakkar written in Perl by clkao
16:56 ofer1 dakkar, cool, where can I get it from ?
16:56 awwaiid cpan :)
16:56 lumi Subversion on Steroids
16:57 [particle] http://svk.bestpractical.com/view/HomePage
16:57 lambdabot Title: HomePage - SVK Wiki
16:57 ofer1 thanks!
16:59 clkao dakkar: :)
16:59 fglock lumi: --list gives me "/pugs/trunk  https://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs" - should I use "svk mirror --relocate //pugs/trunk ... " instead?
16:59 dakkar fglock: most probably
17:01 clkao fglock: yes, read audrey's blog entry
17:03 fglock clkao: I get a "cannot relocate uninitialized path" error
17:04 clkao what command did you use ?
17:05 clkao hmmm i see it.
17:05 clkao oh, //pugs/trunk instead
17:06 fglock same problem with //pugs/trunk
17:10 clkao does svk log -l1 //pugs/trunk shows you a "orig r..." ?
17:12 fglock I get "Filesystem has no item: File not found: revision 0, path '/pugs/trunk' " - I think I lost some files while restoring my backup
17:13 fglock I guess I'll do a new checkout
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17:19 monkey___ what's going on with the pugs webserver?
17:19 monkey___ monkey@cowu:~$ telnet www.pugscode.org 80
17:19 monkey___ Trying 213.84.134.174...
17:19 monkey___ telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
17:19 monkey___ :(
17:20 cmarcelo @moosages
17:20 lambdabot audreyt said 3h 56m 19s ago: indeed; we should probably just remove the class_methods etc from the typeclass Class.
17:20 lambdabot audreyt said 36m 34s ago: let's just forget GHC 6.4 ever existed :)
17:21 [particle] are there any writeups on using MP6 yet?
17:23 cmarcelo @tell audreyt re 6.4: hehe I was expecting that :).. it's a matter of reverting except for the 'NoResponse vs NoResponse m'-thing.. (did you saw it?)
17:23 lambdabot Consider it noted.
17:27 fglock [particle]: MP6 is written in MP6
17:27 fglock there is a small text file in docs/notes/mini...
17:28 fglock and AST.pm and BOOTSTRAPPING in v6/v6-MiniPerl6
17:28 [particle] ok, great.
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17:28 [particle] new PAST will probably be committed today
17:29 fglock [particle]: MiniPerl6 is "PIL-3", kind of
17:29 [particle] so it'll be time to start doing transformations soon
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17:29 nothingmuch mooo!
17:30 fglock [particle]: transformations?
17:30 [particle] so, there's no diff between assignment and binding... is everything binding, or assignment?
17:30 fglock binding
17:30 [particle] fglock: tree transformations parse -> past -> backend stuff
17:30 [particle] great
17:31 [particle] and named args exist, but don't map to positional params automatically?
17:32 TimToady no named, just { foo => '123' } [note curlies]
17:32 TimToady no variadic args, even
17:32 [particle] ok, that's great
17:33 [particle] actually, it'll mean a lot of parrot's calling convention magic can be avoided
17:33 [particle] of course, that's assuming a p6 built on mp6
17:33 fglock yes, and the same for P5 and Haskell - so we can get a fast implementation
17:34 clkao GnuVince: you pinged me the other day?
17:34 [particle] sure, but probably slower runtime performance
17:34 [particle] ...which is fine for now.
17:34 dmq cool. i just got cutgroup working in perl5.
17:35 [particle] yay
17:35 fglock [particle]: P6-full will not be implemented in MP6
17:35 TimToady It's just (?()true|false), really.
17:35 TimToady if by cutgroup you mean P6's ::
17:35 [particle] fglock: that's what i figured.
17:36 fglock rather, MP6 is a subset, so that we can share some code using it
17:36 dmq cutgroup is what i understand :: to be. 'on failure try next alternation'
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17:37 dmq but i dont really get what you mean by "It's just (?()true|false), really."
17:37 TimToady it really comes out to the closest thing regex has to if/then/else
17:37 [particle] dmq: did you and pm solve the impedence mismatch between (*CUT) and <cut> yet?
17:37 [particle] ...and <commit>...
17:38 dmq yes, sortof. im going to rename my CUT to be 'SKIP', and not implement a 'CUT' (since it doesnt fit into the p5 framework from what i can tell).
17:38 TimToady but :: generalizes what can go into the condition over (?()|)
17:39 dmq (*COMMIT) in p5 is afaict the same as <commit> in p6.
17:39 [particle] dmq: great, the new name seems more appropriate, and helps distinguish
17:39 TimToady fglock: I would not be *suprised* if someone implements a P6 interpreter in MP6 eventually, just so they can run P6 on their nanobots
17:39 dmq TimToday: im probably being dense, but i dont see the connection between conditional patterns and ::
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17:40 TimToady [ condition :: true | false ]
17:40 [particle] i figured there would be a p6-on-mp6 impl, too
17:40 dmq oh.
17:40 dmq oh right.
17:40 dmq heh.
17:40 TimToady but it stacks up a lot nicer than nested (?()|(?()|))
17:41 TimToady [ cond1 :: true1 | cond2 :: true2 | cond3 :: true3 | otherwise ]
17:41 dmq hrm, they are implemented totally differently tho. :-)
17:42 fglock TimToady: yes, that would be nice :)
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17:43 dmq and they dont require the inside of the (?(...) to be a lookahead. which is cool.
17:43 dmq nice way to think about it.
17:43 TimToady *curtsies*, er, *bows*
17:43 fglock [particle]: mp6-on-mp6 is almost ready - I'll get back to it when I finish recovering from the system reinstall
17:44 [particle] what's the best way to see mp6 in action?
17:44 dmq one minor issue with them is that they impose a speed/space issue as BRANCH_next and TRIE_next have to be treated as "yes-states". But thats not such a bad thing and the pernalty is per regex only.
17:44 fglock then it can be extended by programming in mp6
17:44 fglock [particle] install v6, then goto v6/v6-MiniPerl6
17:45 dmq so i think this means that the only perl6 regex construct that you flat out cannot represent in perl5 is the p6 <cut>
17:45 GnuVince clkao: Yes, I saw that you were the original author of Benchmark.pm in pugs and I wanted to know if you wouldn't mind if I added some features (and fixed the TODO)
17:46 fglock the t/* files work with some errors - I'll commit some fixes asap (as soon as I finish recovering svk)
17:46 [particle] ok, great.
17:46 [particle] i'm relocating my pugs repo atm, then i'll sync/install/play
17:47 [particle] i think elephant would be a good name for p6-on-mp6
17:47 [particle] it's strong, slow, and is self-aware :)
17:47 dmq TimToady: im assuming that since you havent made any negative comments that you dont have too much of an issue with what im doing... I hope im right.
17:47 fglock clkao: how do you bypass "svk up -s" to take only the latest revisions?
17:49 clkao svk sync --skipto HEAD //path/mirror; svk up
17:49 PerlJam dmq: you mean that you can not now do perl6's <cut> in perl5 or that it's impossible to do?
17:49 fglock [particle]: mp6 = lrep + PILN; p6 = pugs + v6 + something else
17:50 dmq i dont see how its possible to do.
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17:50 clkao GnuVince: please do!
17:50 dmq the soon to be called (*SKIP) IMO gives you something close enough. i think.
17:51 TimToady well, it's easy enough to pull the beginning of the string up to the current location.  question is whether regex represents all positions as pointers or some of them as offsets from front of string.
17:51 TimToady which would be thown off if the front of the string moved.
17:52 TimToady dmq: my main qualm is that so far it seems like what you're putting in is rather difficult to explain, and if it's difficult to explain, it probably means we're missing some important generalization.
17:53 dmq or im a sucky explainer.
17:53 dmq :-)
17:53 dmq which almost certainly correct, regardless as to what it says about the generalization.
17:54 PerlJam It's too bad there's no way to insert markers in the RE that say "tag this location in the string with this little bit of information" and then be able to get that stuff out again in some structure.
17:54 fglock [particle]: see also  http://pugs.blogs.com/photos/visiolization/mp6bootstrap.png
17:54 lambdabot http://tinyurl.com/yzjxzo
17:54 dmq actually, thats almost what does happen PerlJam.
17:54 TimToady it's like you want something that generalizes "last" into "last MyLoop".
17:54 PerlJam ah, then how do you access the structure?
17:55 PerlJam because I was thinking that once the locations are tagged, you just use a substr() to do the <cut>
17:55 PerlJam (among other things)
17:55 dmq like for instance you can say: /A+(*MARK:FOO)B+(*CUT:FOO)/
17:55 TimToady substr can certainly be used to pull up the front of the string.  the question is whether the regex engine will coredump after you do that.
17:56 PerlJam TimToady: not if you switch out the string it's operating on  :-)
17:56 TimToady then it's not <cut>...
17:56 dmq I more meant that it doesnt really fit into the expected behaviour of a perl5 pattern.
17:56 PerlJam TimToady: no, no, you copy, cut and forget about the original
17:57 TimToady and all the little pointers currently running around the regex engine can just go hang?
17:57 fglock clkao: I get "REPORT request failed on '/pugs/!svn/bc/14681' ... 200 OK
17:57 PerlJam Well, I was thinking that at the copy it would be more like a "reboot" on the RE engine.
17:57 dmq and you can do it with /(?{$Position=$-[0]})..../ afaict.
17:58 TimToady well, really, to fulfill the intent of <cut>, you have to get the regex engine to throw all that info away, or it's rather pointless.
17:58 clkao fglock: you need latest svn::mirror from svn://svn.clkao.org/member/clkao/modules/SVN-Mirror
17:58 GnuVince clkao: cool, thanks :)  I know what I'll be doing tonight.
17:58 clkao i will release soon
17:58 TimToady whole point of <cut> is to be able to do continuous matching on an infinite stream.
17:59 dmq right which IMO is out of perl5's scope. at least insofar as I doubt ill try to implement it.
17:59 dmq Perl6's regex engine has to be better at something eh? ;-)
18:00 TimToady :D
18:00 PerlJam I've never needed <cut> in perl5 so far  ;)
18:00 dmq ill put it on my speculative todo list tho.
18:00 TimToady but how many times have you heard people wish for the ability to run a regex against an input stream?
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18:01 PerlJam I've never heard anyone wish hard enough.
18:01 dmq many many times.
18:01 dmq mostly because they want to use a regex for $/
18:01 TimToady well, until they cotton to the fact that they've got a figure/ground issue with that.
18:02 PerlJam dmq: these changes you've hacked in, are they going towards 5.10 or what?
18:02 TimToady just as most splits really want to be combs
18:02 dmq yes, pretty much.
18:02 PerlJam excellent
18:02 dmq most of them are in perl5.9.5 already in some form or another.
18:02 dmq im still tweaking.
18:02 dmq :-)
18:03 TimToady anyway, <cut> is just one of those things that's in there to make sure P6 has a completely different set of FAQs than P5.
18:03 dmq like id love a better name for cutgroup than cutgroup.
18:03 dmq :-)
18:03 dmq its kind long to type.
18:03 [particle] if
18:03 dmq oh, and i wanted to ask, my cutgroup doesnt actually care about group.
18:03 TimToady then
18:04 dmq its any branch. so (?:foo(*IF)|...) and (foo(*IF)|...) would behave the same assuming the (*IF) (cutgroup) worked.
18:04 dmq s/worked/applied/
18:05 dmq i hope that matches. it would be pretty tricky to only make it work inside of a capturing parens.
18:06 TimToady when we say group with respect to :: in P6 we also mean inside (...) as well as [...]
18:06 dmq so, Ill call it (*IF) and (*THEN) :-)
18:06 TimToady only there is no *IF
18:06 TimToady :: is then
18:06 TimToady regex already iffifies the left side.
18:06 dmq oh my.
18:07 TimToady the fact that you get to the :: means the conditional passed.
18:07 [particle] tt: you had me at 'then'
18:08 TimToady sorry, to lazy to type what I mean.  :)
18:08 TimToady *too even
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18:17 nnunley I suppose it would be confusing to use prolog's cut operator ;
18:17 TimToady cut WHAT is the question
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18:31 fglock what packages should I install to get "make" in OS X?
18:32 * dmq returns from afk.
18:32 clkao the apple dev package
18:32 dmq TimToady: so I'll use (*THEN)
18:32 fglock is that Xcode? it does not seem to be free
18:32 nnunley It's a free, but large, download from Apple.
18:33 nnunley http://developer.apple.com/tools/xcode/
18:34 lambdabot Title: Tools - Xcode
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18:37 fglock I get "you must be a member of the ADC to download this item"
18:38 ashleyb fglock: it's on the os x install cd
18:38 ashleyb but you have to do a "custom" install
18:38 awwaiid and doing the ADC membership is free
18:39 fglock ashleyb: thanks
18:39 fglock 1st-day newbie here
18:40 ashleyb x11 should be on that cd too -- but it to is not a "default" install
18:40 ashleyb *too
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18:42 ashleyb you can get these packages by using the installer on the CD -- or by just opening the pkg's in the directory on the CD -- I'd suggest using the installer.
18:43 fglock ok - found it
18:47 nothingmuch lllllllllllllllll
18:47 nothingmuch ah
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19:26 cj audreyt: how interested are you in going to boston to work with the mono folks?
19:27 fglock I can commit again!
19:27 svnbot6 r14682 | fglock++ | MP6 - compiles MP6 "token" to MP6 "method"; started "method" impl
19:28 audreyt fglock++ # wooot!
19:28 lambdabot audreyt: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
19:28 audreyt cj: very interested. but my schedule is full until at least March.
19:29 clkao audreyt: i have a flight ticket to boson in may
19:29 audreyt clkao: oh nice. maybe May then?
19:29 clkao sounds almost like a plan.
19:30 fglock audreyt: if you have time, try MP6 t/04-regex.t
19:30 cj audreyt: okay.  Early, Mid or Late march?
19:30 audreyt clkao: early, mid or late may?
19:30 clkao the flgiht is early may iircf
19:31 audreyt cj: if clkao is also around that can easily 5x productivity
19:31 cj audreyt: okay.  May then?
19:31 clkao but wait
19:31 audreyt would be nice if we also have putter kolibrie etc around
19:31 clkao is the project still going on after 8 weeks from now ?
19:31 cj audreyt: a large group would take more planning
19:32 audreyt clkao: huh?
19:32 clkao it's christmas!
19:32 clkao aren't we all done by christmas?
19:32 audreyt I think this christmas is about perl6-alpha and pugs 6.28.0 and MP6 bootstrap
19:32 audreyt I don't think anyone has promised anything perl6-final on 2006 christmas :)
19:33 clkao ;)
19:33 clkao where's 6 on 5
19:33 audreyt er v6-alpha.
19:33 audreyt sorry, in my brain the unified perl runtime is already firmly taking shape
19:33 audreyt I no longer distinguish perl6-alpha with v6-alpha
19:33 audreyt :)
19:33 clkao what's the unified runtime plan
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19:34 audreyt you know as much as anyone; try to find encodings of all pugs/mp6 primitives as perl5 ops.
19:34 audreyt that's all actually :)
19:36 clkao sounds like nameshub
19:36 audreyt cj: so, may 10ish?
19:37 cj audreyt: I can't commit to it, but I'll aim for it.
19:37 cj I haven't been here long, so folks might not take me seriously yet.  Ask TimToady how it worked last time :)
19:37 audreyt cj: muito obrigada.
19:38 cj no problemo
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19:40 cj audreyt: who usually foots the bill?  TPF?
19:41 audreyt cj: no... I havn't been paid by TPF to do Pugs stuff, other than for food in YAPC hackathons
19:42 audreyt cj: see if Novell, or your company, is interested... failing both, I'll see if I can find a sponsor too
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19:44 cj audreyt: alrighty.  I'll run it by folks who might be able to pay for it.
19:44 cj last time I talked to management about perl6 (in 2004-ish), they were skeptical.
19:45 cj I'll use the unit test page as proof that it's not sucking.
19:45 cj got a url?
19:45 audreyt http://smoke.pugscode.org/
19:45 lambdabot Title: Pugs Smoke Reports
19:45 audreyt http://spec.pugscode.org/
19:45 lambdabot Title: Official Perl 6 Documentation
19:45 cj thanks
19:47 cj will perl6 be able to run perl5 code on the new vm?  In short, will perl6 on mono be backward-compatable with perl5 on perl5?
19:47 audreyt we will port also the bridge
19:47 * cj expects no
19:47 audreyt as activestate has once done
19:47 audreyt and as already existing actually as another OSS projec
19:48 * audreyt forgot the name
19:48 audreyt anyway, we'll be able to run mono and p5 side by side.
19:48 cj cool.  probably good enough.
19:48 audreyt it is good enough with GHC+Perl5 for my $job :)
19:48 audreyt so mono should have little problem
19:49 cj okay.  can you give me names of folks you'd like to see included in the trip via email?  [email@hidden.address]
19:50 audreyt well, other people are locals :)
19:50 cj great
19:50 audreyt and clkao already got ticket to boston
19:50 audreyt so essentially just for myself...
19:50 cj good deal.
19:50 cj clkao: does miguel know you're coming?
19:51 clkao i don't know he knows me
19:51 svnbot6 r14683 | fglock++ | MP6 - parses "method" signature
19:51 cj was that "I don't know.  He knows me."  or "I don't know whether he knows me" ?
19:56 fglock audreyt: now we just need a "Block" parser - then bootstrap debugging begins...
19:56 clkao sorry, "i don't think he knows me"
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19:57 fglock home &
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20:02 audreyt @tell fglock I think the strategy for "block" is force declaration of all vars upfront, as the old C
20:02 lambdabot Consider it noted.
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20:06 cj clkao: join #mono on irc.gnome.org and I'll introduce you
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20:19 cj hurm.  99 tests failing on the release on linux?
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20:20 cj maxine, shorten http://m19s28.vlinux.de/iblech/stuff/pugs-smokes/pugs-smoke-6.2.13-r0-linux-normal--1162052549-4243--17954-17954-0-4638-747-0--233942e4bc0a2ead80164a7c3e233299.html
20:20 lambdabot Title: TAP Matrix - Sat Oct 28 16:14:17 2006 GMT, http://tinyurl.com/y2gq6t
20:20 cj oh, wrong channel :)
20:21 clkao audreyt: huh? yapc hackathon food was sponsored by us
20:22 audreyt clkao: yapc::vancouver
20:22 clkao ah
20:22 audreyt also ::israel
20:26 * smash_ good evening
20:27 audreyt greetings smash
20:28 audreyt cj: it may also help to say that perl6 is effectively defined by that smoke test suite; when the spec is changed ot augmented the test suite reflects that very quickly
20:29 cj audreyt: alrighty.  I've been terse in order to get a feeling whether they're interested in hearing more.
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20:32 audreyt k
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21:08 nwc10 not sure if this is totally helpful, but since when did that ever stop me? :-)
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21:09 nwc10 you may already know, but Damain is hunting for a word beginning with B that is semantically something akin to Bold
21:10 nwc10 much like I<> "obviously" means Important
21:10 gaal brash?
21:12 nwc10 well, more in the "strong" or "important" sense than the Brave sense
21:13 gaal blunt? :)
21:13 gaal latant?
21:14 gaal s/^/b/
21:14 kolibrie audreyt: cj: I'm not exactly local to Boston (Washington, DC), but would love to come up and hack
21:14 kolibrie I have relatives in New Hampshire, so I get up there often enough
21:16 PerlJam nwc10: biscuits!
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21:17 nwc10 in the plural? Not that I object to more than one, of course :-)
21:19 gaal brazen...
21:19 gaal boomy
21:20 gaal okay, i made that one up
21:20 PerlJam brash
21:20 PerlJam bare
21:20 PerlJam bra
21:20 gaal barcrawling
21:20 PerlJam binkidoodle
21:20 PerlJam belligerent
21:20 PerlJam But I like biscuits best
21:21 [particle] backwards
21:21 gaal badass
21:21 gaal bumpkin
21:21 gaal bandersnatchy
21:21 gaal bonkworthy
21:22 [particle] better
21:22 PerlJam belle
21:22 gaal best
21:22 PerlJam best!
21:22 gaal beautiful
21:22 anatolyv binding
21:22 [particle] bigot
21:22 [particle] ooh, bilous
21:22 gaal boffin'
21:22 anatolyv bloomin'
21:22 PerlJam bum
21:23 [particle] blue
21:23 gaal buttered bread
21:23 anatolyv butch
21:23 nwc10 I'm sure acme would object to "blue"
21:23 gaal bulldozer
21:23 [particle] bond
21:23 PerlJam boast
21:23 [particle] B<james>
21:23 anatolyv bestial
21:24 gaal bulbous
21:24 anatolyv boldified!
21:24 gaal bwahaha
21:24 [particle] brave
21:24 gaal byzantine
21:24 nwc10 bodacious
21:24 anatolyv ooh
21:25 PerlJam Is someone recording the good B-words to give to Damian?  ;)
21:25 [particle] bulky
21:25 gaal buxom
21:25 [particle] bullock
21:25 anatolyv barmaidy
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21:25 gaal ballsy
21:25 gaal ballistic
21:25 [particle] business
21:26 gaal beatific
21:26 gaal big
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21:26 anatolyv boingboing
21:26 [particle] bungled
21:26 gaal booty
21:26 gaal bling
21:26 gaal backtrackfree
21:27 cjeris braxty
21:27 anatolyv bastard
21:27 PerlJam busty
21:27 [particle] bare
21:27 anatolyv bylined
21:27 gaal bipartisan
21:27 PerlJam beany
21:27 [particle] bullsh*t
21:28 anatolyv boojum
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21:28 gaal x3
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21:28 [particle] balk
21:29 gaal boding
21:29 anatolyv borked
21:29 gaal b0rk.b0rk.b0rk
21:29 gaal but the chocolate bon the boose
21:29 [particle] baboonish
21:29 gaal bonoboish
21:30 anatolyv bathetic
21:30 [particle] backfromthefuture
21:30 gaal bombastic
21:30 [particle] babyback
21:30 [particle] bebolden
21:30 anatolyv boorish
21:31 gaal besmirched
21:31 anatolyv bedridden
21:31 [particle] bewildered
21:31 gaal bespoke
21:31 gaal bewitched
21:31 gaal bothered
21:31 [particle] beebopalula
21:31 anatolyv bearlike
21:31 anatolyv beerlike, too
21:32 [particle] beerrun
21:32 gaal beelike whilewe're at it
21:32 PerlJam bastion
21:32 [particle] baconian
21:32 anatolyv bust
21:32 gaal beerrun? isn't that the first word of a joyce novel?
21:33 [particle] all you need is a ten and a fiver, a key and a car, and a sober driver!
21:33 gaal barrage
21:33 anatolyv beanified (compiled to jvm)
21:33 [particle] baptized
21:33 anatolyv bostonish
21:34 gaal bostonian (while we're doing novels)
21:34 anatolyv baroque
21:34 gaal like, beep beep beep beep beep
21:35 anatolyv basta
21:35 gaal base # belong etc.
21:35 mr_ank ?!
21:35 lambdabot Maybe you meant: . v
21:36 anatolyv bandaidish
21:36 gaal backlog, damian. if you can't find something here I think you're busted.
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21:37 mr_ank Why limit yourself to English? There are several other useful languages. Try swahili.
21:38 gaal bas # arabic
21:38 PerlJam boss
21:38 gaal (for "enough")
21:38 PerlJam bueno
21:38 mr_ank I vote for "bueno"
21:38 mr_ank bueno++ # es bueno
21:39 gaal just a day for a bananafish
21:39 gaal bye! &
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21:55 nothingmuch moosen
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22:07 dmq brazen is a synonym of bold.
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22:17 follil bluff, bold, sheer -- (very steep; having a prominent and almost vertical front; "a bluff headland"; "where the bold chalk cliffs of England rise"; "a sheer descent of rock")
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23:59 nothingmuch audreyt: ping
23:59 nothingmuch oh crap, what was I going to say =/

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