Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

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03:18 dduncan So, in regards to the weekly list summaries, I'm going to bet that Larry's last statement in the ordinal operators thread will make the quotable quote introduction: "You guys should read The Search for the Perfect Language, by Umberto Eco. It would disabuse you of the notion that perfect orthogonality is possible or even desirable."
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03:21 dduncan TimToady, were you implying that you don't like the proposal to rename operators to [ == , +== , ~== ] then?  Or did you just dislike some of the other stuff discussed in the thread?
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04:00 svnbot6 r14759 | gnuvince++ | Added cases to t/operators/assign.t to test for skipped values in list
04:00 svnbot6 r14759 | gnuvince++ | assignment.  The equivalent of Perl 5's my ($foo, undef, $bar)
04:01 avar changes topic to: svn switch --relocate http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/ | run.pugscode.org | spec.pugscode.org | paste: http://sial.org/pbot/perl6 | pugs.blogs.com |
04:01 avar changes topic to: svn switch --relocate http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/ | run.pugscode.org | spec.pugscode.org | paste: http://sial.org/pbot/perl6 | pugs.blogs.com
04:01 avar the commitbot is up!
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07:06 masak print unless (state $)++;
07:06 masak is this equal to print; ?
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07:49 gaal @moose
07:49 lambdabot Maybe you meant: choose more
07:49 gaal @moosages
07:49 lambdabot nothingmuch said 9h 45m 18s ago: i'm off to sleep now, i'll do it first thing in the morning
07:49 lambdabot nothingmuch said 9h 44m 45s ago: btw, i have more maint work so this fits in (cookiecutter, etc). in short, don't bother
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08:37 root4o just watching this : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid​=8566923311315412414&q=programming
08:37 lambdabot Title: Aspect Oriented Programming: Radical Research in Modularity - Google Video, http://tinyurl.com/y86nhh
08:37 root4o with perl6 we will have similar stuff right ?
08:38 root4o after, before ...and things similar to that mentioned int the video...poincuts and jointpoints ?
08:39 root4o I mean Roles cover this ? right ?
08:40 root4o i mean aspect oriented programming
08:40 Alias_ We can do that to a degree now
08:41 Alias_ Things like Hook::LexWrap let you insert the hooks on the fly
08:48 root4o what about perl6 ..?
08:49 Alias_ not sure, but I imagine people would hate to lose features :)
08:49 Alias_ So my bet would be yes :)
08:50 root4o :)
08:50 root4o me too ..but asking here.. to be sure
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10:29 nothingmuch @pl map (\f -> f x)
10:29 lambdabot map ($ x)
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10:47 ludan hi
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10:56 nothingmuch gaal: /scrollback end
10:56 * nothingmuch had 4 days of unscrolled #haskell ;-)
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11:03 svnbot6 r14760 | fglock++ | v6.pm - allow non-modifiable params in "token"
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11:09 svnbot6 r14761 | fglock++ | MP6 - fixed perl5 runtime; implemented built-in tokens like <ident>
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11:12 fglock [OT] anyone from TPF around? re: redirect 'www.yapc.org/SA' to 'yapc.perl.org.br'
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11:48 gaal nothingmuch: excellent, thanks
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12:46 svnbot6 r14762 | fglock++ | MP6 - implemented postcircumfix:<( )> method, as in '$obj.()'
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13:39 cognominal I can't see why I am wrong here: $_ = "token a"; s :s :g /(token (\w+))/a name="$1">$0<\/a>/; say $_;
13:39 cognominal I would expect a sucessful substition
13:40 cognominal ..substitution!
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13:52 kolibrie cognominal: regex captures nest, so you have $0 (token a) and $0[0] (a), but no $1
13:55 Limbic_Region kolibrie - and presumably things "nest" from left to right?  /( () () ( () ) )( )/ so there is a $0 and a $1, $0 has 3 elements, and the 3rd element of $0 has 1 element the other 2 0?
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13:58 kolibrie Limbic_Region: that is how I understand things
13:59 Limbic_Region oh, very nice
13:59 cognominal well, that does not explain the non-substitution
13:59 Limbic_Region cognomial - except that there is no $1
13:59 Limbic_Region or rather - aside from the fact there is no $1
14:00 cognominal I am not yet at the problem of a wrong substitution, I am at the problem of no substittion
14:01 cognominal your are right about nesting though
14:01 Limbic_Region ?eval temp $_ = "token a"; s/(token (\w+))/foo/; say $_;
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14:01 evalbot_r14762 OUTPUT[token a␤] Bool::True
14:01 Limbic_Region ?eval temp $_ is rw = "token a"; s/(token (\w+))/foo/; say $_;
14:01 evalbot_r14762 OUTPUT[token a␤] Bool::True
14:02 Limbic_Region ?eval temp $_ is rw = "token a"; .s/(token (\w+))/foo/; say $_;
14:02 evalbot_r14762 Error: ␤Unexpected "(\\"␤expecting ":" or "{"
14:02 Limbic_Region ?eval temp $_ is rw = "token a"; $_ =~ s/(token (\w+))/foo/; say $_;
14:02 evalbot_r14762 OUTPUT[<Subst>␤] Bool::True
14:02 Limbic_Region cognomial - AFAIK, in order to get methods that normally work on $_ to work on them in Perl 6, they need to be prefaced with a .
14:02 Limbic_Region as in
14:02 Limbic_Region .chomp
14:03 Limbic_Region it appears that s/// is not working on $_ by default
14:03 * Limbic_Region doesn't know if that is correct behavior or not
14:03 * Limbic_Region wanders off to get a chocolate covered donut
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14:03 kolibrie ?eval $_ = "token a"; s :s /token a/foo/; say $_
14:03 cognominal I doubt that,  s  :g /\&/&amp;/;    works fine
14:03 evalbot_r14762 OUTPUT[token a␤] Bool::True
14:04 * cognominal thinks he need to work more incrementally. my perl5 expertise does not translate readily hre
14:05 kolibrie does look like substitution is having issues, at least in evalbot
14:07 Limbic_Region ?eval temp $_ = "token a"; s/.*/foo/; say $_;
14:07 evalbot_r14762 OUTPUT[foo␤] Bool::True
14:07 Limbic_Region the match portion of the regex is failing
14:07 Limbic_Region you should put it in a conditional
14:08 Limbic_Region ?eval temp $_ = "token a"; if ( /token (\w+)/ ) { say "match" } else { say "no match" }
14:08 evalbot_r14762 OUTPUT[no match␤] Bool::True
14:08 Limbic_Region ?eval temp $_ = "token a"; if ( /token\s+(\w+)/ ) { say "match" } else { say "no match" }
14:08 evalbot_r14762 OUTPUT[match␤] Bool::True
14:08 Limbic_Region it is barfing on the whitespace
14:09 Limbic_Region ?eval temp $_  = "token a"; $_ =~ s/(token\s+(\w+))/a name="$0[0]">$0<\/a>/; say $_;
14:09 evalbot_r14762 OUTPUT[<Subst>␤] Bool::True
14:10 Limbic_Region whatever - the issue is the whitespace and not the replacement
14:10 kolibrie ?eval $_ = 'token a'; s :s /token <ws> a/foo/; say $_;
14:10 evalbot_r14762 OUTPUT[foo␤] Bool::True
14:10 kolibrie so it's not picking up the :s
14:11 Limbic_Region sounds like it should be a failing test case
14:11 * Limbic_Region wanders off for some more donuts
14:12 cognominal ?eval my $_ = "token a"; s/token\s+(\w)/<a name=$0">token $0<\/a>/; say $_
14:12 evalbot_r14762 OUTPUT[<a name=a">token ␤] Bool::True
14:12 cognominal another problem here
14:13 kolibrie that is interesting
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14:16 cognominal this is fucking frustrating
14:16 cognominal oops, this is not #perl    :)
14:21 cognominal ?eval my $_ = "token a"; s/token\s+(\w)/<a name=$0">token $0\<\/a>/; say $_
14:21 cognominal ?eval my $_ = "token a"; s/token\s+(\w)/<a name=$0">token $0\<\/a>/; say $_
14:21 evalbot_r14762 OUTPUT[<a name=a">token a</a>␤] Bool::True
14:22 cognominal I think by default using an non existing capture should emit a warning
14:23 cognominal this will happen all the time when dealing with html
14:23 Limbic_Region cognomial - not sure but perhaps you should test this using PGE instead of P::C::R
14:23 Limbic_Region cognomial - don't think it is an option with evalbot but locally you can set an env var to tell pugs which to use
14:24 Limbic_Region you may get different results with PGE (and if so, fglock will want to know)
14:24 cognominal I tried but it core dumped. But so far, limitations are mine
14:25 Limbic_Region let me try locally, I haven't done this in a while myself
14:25 cognominal I have not yet smashed my head on all potential walls
14:25 Limbic_Region this could take a while - I am doing a realclean as well
14:30 cognominal syntax hilighting would have avoided me my last error
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14:41 Limbic_Region 68 of 97
14:41 svnbot6 r14763 | fglock++ | MP6 - fixed return-blocks
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14:43 Limbic_Region hey fglock - cognomial pointed out some apparent issues with P::C::R
14:44 cognominal Limbic_Region: no, real issues with my narrow mind :)
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14:45 fglock_ Limbic_Region: hi
14:46 fglock_ cognominal: tudo bem aí?
14:47 cognominal fglock: ??
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14:47 fglock_ I'm recompiling the bootstrapped MP6 for the nth time
14:49 fglock_ cognominal: sorry, I confused with "cog"
14:50 fglock_ cog speaks portuguese
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15:02 capixaba audreyt: hello audrey
15:02 fglock_ pranavaswaroop: hi
15:03 [particle] Limbic_Region: you using cygwin?
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15:05 pranavaswaroop hello
15:05 Limbic_Region [particle] - um, yes and no - depends on what specifically you are interested in
15:05 pranavaswaroop are anyone upto the documentation part
15:05 Limbic_Region cognomial - was AFK but pugs has finished rebuilding - will test now
15:06 anatolyv ?seen TimToady
15:06 lambdabot TimToady is in #perl6. I don't know when TimToady last spoke.
15:07 Limbic_Region ?eval temp $_ = "one bright day"; s :s/one (\w+)/foo/; say $_;
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15:07 evalbot_r14763 OUTPUT[one bright day␤] Bool::True
15:07 Limbic_Region ?eval temp $_ = "one bright day"; s :s/one\s+(\w+)/foo/; say $_;
15:07 evalbot_r14763 OUTPUT[foo day␤] Bool::True
15:08 Limbic_Region fglock - that behavior is the same for P::C::R and for PGE - seems wrong - confirm/deny?
15:08 [particle] Limbic_Region: hoping you could test a devel version of Data::UUID for rjbs
15:08 Limbic_Region sure
15:08 [particle] great, i'll let him know
15:09 Limbic_Region need tarball and test (if not in the test suite)
15:09 [particle] cpan R/RJ/RJBS/Data-UUID-0.147_01.tar.gz
15:09 [particle] just see if make install works, Limbic_Region++
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15:10 rjbs Limbic_Region++: I hear you're going to tell me whether there is finally a Data::UUID release that works on more than one Windows platform at once...
15:10 [particle] oh, you may have to get it from incoming, not sure if  it's been indexed yet
15:10 avar what's the best way now to distribute Perl 6 modules?
15:10 Limbic_Region give me full URL then
15:11 rjbs http://pause.perl.org/incomi​ng/Data-UUID-0.147_01.tar.gz
15:11 Limbic_Region rjbs - I have Cygwin Perl and AS w/MinGW I can test with
15:11 lambdabot http://tinyurl.com/ymju3t
15:11 Limbic_Region can do both if interested
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15:11 rjbs Great!
15:11 [particle] Limbic_Region: i've tested asperl/msvc successfully
15:13 Limbic_Region rjbs - FYI in perl Makefile.PL on Cygwin - 'LICENSE' is not a known MakeMaker parameter name.
15:13 rjbs It's a recent addition.  I guess I should check version, to make people happy, before including it.
15:13 * rjbs figured nobody would care!
15:14 fglock_ Limbic_Region: not sure how temp, s///, and $_ work together
15:14 Limbic_Region ok, all of t/basic passed
15:14 Limbic_Region skipped the POD tests cause I don't have those modules installed
15:14 rjbs sure
15:14 Limbic_Region ?eval $_ = "one bright day"; s :s/one (\w+)/foo/; say $_;
15:14 evalbot_r14763 OUTPUT[one bright day␤] Bool::True
15:14 kolibrie fglock_: and :s
15:14 Limbic_Region fglock_ - the temp status didn't have anything to do with it
15:15 Limbic_Region rjbs - so Cygwin Perl is a go
15:15 Limbic_Region do you want my perl -V
15:15 Limbic_Region ?
15:15 fglock_ avar: Perl6 modules can go to CPAN, with a precompiled .pmc file - if you can get v6.pm to execute the module
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15:15 rjbs Sure.
15:16 Limbic_Region k - testing AS + MinGW now
15:16 Limbic_Region will nopaste both perl -V assuming success
15:16 Limbic_Region yep - both worked
15:18 avar .pmc?
15:18 avar parrot magic cookie?
15:18 eviltwin_b perl module compiled?
15:19 [particle] avar: in this context, eviltwin_b is correct
15:19 pasteling "Limbic_Region" at 129.33.119.12 pasted "rjbs Cygwin Perl and AS Perl + MinGW output of perl -V" (124 lines, 5.9K) at http://sial.org/pbot/21158
15:19 [particle] there's also perl magic cookies, too
15:19 avar that'll run on parrot?
15:19 Limbic_Region rjbs - if there is anything else, let me know
15:20 [particle] avar: no
15:20 Limbic_Region fglock_ - you see what I mean about the behavior not being related to temp?
15:20 avar why do I want to be distributing something precompiled?
15:20 [particle] avar: perl5 looks for .pmc files before it looks for .pm files
15:20 avar hrm
15:20 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = "one bright day"; $str =~ s :s/one (\w+)/foo/; say $str;
15:20 evalbot_r14763 OUTPUT[<Subst>␤] Bool::True
15:20 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = "one bright day"; $str =~ s :s/one\s+(\w+)/foo/; say $str;
15:20 evalbot_r14763 OUTPUT[<Subst>␤] Bool::True
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15:20 avar huh, it'll work on Perl 5 then?
15:20 [particle] yes
15:20 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = "one bright day"; $str ~~ s :s/one\s+(\w+)/foo/; say $str;
15:20 evalbot_r14763 OUTPUT[foo day␤] Bool::True
15:20 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = "one bright day"; $str ~~ s :s/one (\w+)/foo/; say $str;
15:20 evalbot_r14763 OUTPUT[one bright day␤] Bool::True
15:21 * avar wasn't aware of that hack
15:21 [particle] avar: it facilitates perl6-on-perl5
15:21 Limbic_Region there it is - problem exists even if it is a lexical
15:21 fglock_ avar: look for 'v6' on CPAN
15:21 rjbs Limbic_Region: Thanks, much obliged.
15:22 fglock_ ?eval my $str = "onebrightday"; $str ~~ s :s/one(\w+)/foo/; $str;
15:22 evalbot_r14763 \"foo"
15:22 Limbic_Region walang anuman
15:23 fglock_ ?eval my $str = "one brightday"; $str ~~ s :s/one (\w+)/foo/; $str;
15:23 evalbot_r14763 \"one brightday"
15:23 Limbic_Region it is the space
15:23 broquaint What does :s mean?
15:23 Limbic_Region if you replace it with \s it works fine
15:23 fglock_ 'sigspace'
15:23 Limbic_Region the :s doesn't change the behavior in this case
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15:24 broquaint Isn't a :w necessary to make whitespace significant?
15:24 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = "one bright day"; $str ~~ s/one (\w+)/foo/; say $str;
15:24 evalbot_r14763 OUTPUT[one bright day␤] Bool::True
15:24 broquaint I haven't been keeping up ...
15:24 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = "one bright day"; $str ~~ s :w/one (\w+)/foo/; say $str;
15:24 evalbot_r14763 OUTPUT[one bright day␤] Bool::True
15:24 broquaint Apparently not.
15:24 Limbic_Region broquaint - if so, it is still b0rk in implementation
15:25 broquaint Yah.
15:25 Limbic_Region behavior seems identical with either backend (PGE & P::C::R)
15:25 Limbic_Region though I haven't tested extensively
15:25 fglock_ I removed all optimizations in MP6 - and it now takes >20min to compile :P
15:26 fglock_ Limbic_Region: it may be a problem in the Haskell side
15:27 fglock_ brb &
15:27 * avar wonders why he hasn't seen .pmc used for perl5 stuff
15:28 Limbic_Region fglock_ - that's why I pointed out PGE exhibiting the same behavior.  Or rather, my hunch as well
15:30 * Limbic_Region wanders off to a $meeting
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15:44 ofer1 what's MP6 ?
15:45 avar MiniPerl6
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16:01 pranavaswaroop audreyt
16:01 pranavaswaroop are you there
16:08 Limbic_Region ?seen audreyt
16:08 lambdabot audreyt is in #perl6, #ghc and #haskell. I don't know when audreyt last spoke.
16:08 Limbic_Region oh, pranavaswaroop already left
16:09 Limbic_Region she said in her blog that she will be out of "net" band for the next week
16:10 cognominal what is the perl6 idiom for :  $_= 'a a a a'; my  @a = m/(a)/g; print @a
16:11 Limbic_Region cognomial - if I remember what TimToady said correctly that could be done using .words
16:11 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = 'one two three'; my @word = $str.words; ~@word
16:11 evalbot_r14763 Error: No compatible subroutine found: "&words"
16:12 Limbic_Region apparently not implemented (and perhaps not spec'd yet)
16:13 Limbic_Region oh, except what you are asking for doesn't always match what .words would give.  If the string was 'a b a c a d a e' and you did m/(a)/ you would get different results
16:13 * Limbic_Region doesn't know
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16:24 broquaint ?eval "a b a c a" ~~ m:g/(a)/
16:25 evalbot_r14763 3
16:25 broquaint ?eval my $r = "a b a c a" ~~ m:g/(a)/; $r.perl
16:25 evalbot_r14763 "\\3"
16:25 broquaint Hrm.
16:29 Limbic_Region ?eval my @match = 'a b a c a' ~~ m:g/(a)/; ~@match
16:29 evalbot_r14763 "a a a"
16:29 Limbic_Region heh
16:29 Limbic_Region ?eval my @match = 'a b a c a' ~~ m:g/(a)/; @match.length
16:29 evalbot_r14763 Error: No compatible subroutine found: "&length"
16:29 Limbic_Region ?eval my @match = 'a b a c a' ~~ m:g/(a)/; @match.elems
16:30 evalbot_r14763 3
16:30 Limbic_Region that works
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16:31 Limbic_Region ?eval my ($r) = "a b a c a" ~~ m:g/(a)/; $r.perl
16:31 evalbot_r14763 "\\Match.new(\n  ok => Bool::True, \n  from => 0, \n  to => 1, \n  str => \"a\", \n  sub_pos => (), \n  sub_named => \{}\n)"
16:31 Limbic_Region ?eval my ($r) = "a b a c a" ~~ m:g/(a)/; ~$r
16:31 evalbot_r14763 "a"
16:32 Limbic_Region ?eval my ($r) = "a b a c a" ~~ m:g/(a)/; $r[2]
16:32 evalbot_r14763 \undef
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16:38 pranavaswaroop hi
16:39 TimToady ?eval $_ = 'a b a c a'; say ~.comb(/a/)
16:39 evalbot_r14763 OUTPUT[a a a␤] Bool::True
16:39 TimToady ?eval $_ = 'a b a c a'; say ~.comb
16:39 evalbot_r14763 OUTPUT[a b a c a␤] Bool::True
16:40 Limbic_Region pranavaswaroop - audreyt says on her blog she won't be around much for another week
16:40 Limbic_Region if it is important you speak to her directly - try email, if not, ask your question in the channel
16:40 Limbic_Region TimToady - should the following work?
16:41 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = 'hello world'; $str ~~ s :s/hello (\w+)/foo/; say $str;
16:41 evalbot_r14763 OUTPUT[hello world␤] Bool::True
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16:41 Limbic_Region if I change the whitespace to \s
16:41 TimToady it does appear that :s is b0rk
16:41 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = 'hello world'; $str ~~ s :s/hello\s(\w+)/foo/; say $str;
16:41 evalbot_r14763 OUTPUT[foo␤] Bool::True
16:42 Limbic_Region ahh, ok - will commit a failing test then
16:44 TimToady ?eval my $str = 'hello world'; $str.subst(rx:s/hello (\w+)/, 'foo')
16:44 evalbot_r14763 Error: No compatible subroutine found: "&subst"
16:44 * Limbic_Region is looking for a good place in t/regex to put the test but isn't sure
16:44 TimToady ?eval my $str = 'hello world'; $str.subst(rx:s/hello (\w+)/, {'foo'})
16:44 evalbot_r14763 Error: No compatible subroutine found: "&subst"
16:45 pranavaswaroop I just wanted to ask whether I can contribute to the perl documentation team
16:46 Limbic_Region pranavaswaroop - you needn't ask audreyt for that
16:46 Limbic_Region you can submit patches to perl6.language
16:47 cognominal thx Limbic_Region
16:47 TimToady or for things sourced in pugs/, you can just change them directly if you have a commit bit
16:47 Limbic_Region TimToady, or pmichaud, or someone with commit rights will evaluate and apply
16:47 cognominal pugs> $_= 'a a a a'; my string @a = m:g/(a)/
16:47 cognominal ({regex},)
16:47 cognominal is this correct?
16:47 TimToady pranavaswaroop: do you have a commit bit to pugs?
16:47 Limbic_Region pranavaswaroop - what TimToady said
16:48 TimToady if not, send your who at where dot whatever here and we'll give you one.
16:48 Limbic_Region cognomial - you saw the example of that I put here that did work right
16:48 Limbic_Region ?eval my @match = "a b a c a d" ~~ m:g/(a)/; ~@match
16:48 evalbot_r14763 "a a a"
16:49 Limbic_Region so any advice where to put the failing regex test?
16:49 GnuVince ?eval uc("Pépère")
16:49 evalbot_r14763 "PÉPÈRE"
16:49 GnuVince oops, /me is not in UTF-8 here
16:54 TimToady t/regex/from_perl6_rules/subst.t maybe
16:56 pranavaswaroop TimToady: Sir can you please help me out
17:01 TimToady pranavaswaroop: you need to send your email addr somehow to get a commit bit
17:01 pranavaswaroop k my email add>>>> [email@hidden.address]
17:04 TimToady commit bit on its way
17:05 TimToady please add yourself to AUTHORS as first commit
17:06 pranavaswaroop oh ok sir
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17:07 TimToady and don't neglect your studies to work on pugs.  :)
17:07 TimToady except when you want to.  :)_
17:08 pranavaswaroop oh I wont sir
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17:09 pranavaswaroop step 1 completed sir I am registered
17:09 dmq hrm.
17:11 dmq timtoady: i hope my recent \R1 stuff wasnt an issue.
17:11 pranavaswaroop so shall I get involved with my project
17:13 pasteling "Limbic_Region" at 129.33.119.12 pasted "Would someone be kind enough to commit these nice failing tests pointed out by cognomial++ I seem to have commitment issues" (20 lines, 477B) at http://sial.org/pbot/21165
17:14 dmq how could someone who is married have commitment issues?
17:14 Limbic_Region I can't seem to commit ATM so could someone else do so?
17:14 Limbic_Region dmq - have you seen the divorce rate in the US?
17:14 dmq heh
17:17 Limbic_Region oh, and please not that the first 3 fail regardless of PGE or P::C::R and the last one succeeds
17:17 pranavaswaroop well me some work!!!!
17:18 pranavaswaroop can I get
17:18 Limbic_Region TimToady - does commitbit.pugscode.org have an option for resetting a password, apparently mine has become fubar
17:19 Limbic_Region I can't login there either
17:19 Limbic_Region woah - don't bother
17:19 Limbic_Region it just started working
17:19 Limbic_Region weird
17:21 Limbic_Region still can't seem to commit though
17:21 Ontolog omg I'm learning haskell so I can help with pugs
17:22 * Limbic_Region grrrs
17:23 Limbic_Region yay - I did it - please disregard the request to submit the test
17:23 svnbot6 r14764 | Limbic_Region++ | Added some failing regex tests in both PGE and P::C::R pointed out by cognomial++
17:24 pranavaswaroop can I get some documentation task now
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17:25 Limbic_Region pranavaswaroop - you mean you want to help with documentation but you don't know what to work on?
17:25 Limbic_Region pranavaswaroop - then you should say that
17:26 pranavaswaroop yup I do not know what to work on
17:26 pranavaswaroop but given a task I will surely
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17:29 Limbic_Region pranavaswaroop - look at TASKS
17:29 Limbic_Region there is likely to be one or more documentation activities there
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17:33 pranavaswaroop I did go to this http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/TASKS but found a 404 Not found Message displayed
17:33 pranavaswaroop The requested URL /pugs/TASKS was not found on this server.
17:33 pranavaswaroop that was what i could find
17:34 Limbic_Region pranavaswaroop - you haven't checked out a local copy of Pugs on your machine or have a feather acct?
17:34 Limbic_Region btw - see the channel topic
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17:34 Limbic_Region it is now http://svn.pugscode.org/ not openfoundary
17:34 lambdabot Title: Perl6 Community Development Server
17:35 Limbic_Region http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/TASKS
17:40 pranavaswaroop oh uh thanks Limbic_Region
17:40 pranavaswaroop Itz working now
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17:47 pranavaswaroop Limbic can I know something about the user name and the password that I need to put
17:48 pranavaswaroop in https://feather.perl6.nl/irc/
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17:53 svnbot6 r14765 | particle++ | add task to s/svn\.openfoundry/svn\.pugscode/g
17:58 Limbic_Region pranavaswaroop - you should have seen a link at http://feather.perl6.nl
17:59 lambdabot Title: Perl6 Community Development Server
17:59 Limbic_Region pranavaswaroop - see http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6​-language@perl.org/msg20060.html  for details on getting an acct
17:59 lambdabot Title: Perl development server, http://tinyurl.com/y4whb7
18:00 [particle] heh, my wife just ran into tom skerritt while out on a run
18:01 dmq i interviewed him when i was grade 6 for school.
18:01 [particle] lol
18:01 dmq No seriously i did.
18:02 dmq I think he was annoyed all i did was ask about Tom Cruise tho.
18:02 [particle] i believe it. i just expected responses more along the lines of, "who's tom skerritt?"
18:02 dmq Yeah, heh, it is weird.
18:02 [particle] he lives not too far from us in seattle, apparently.
18:03 dmq I remember he was a pretty nice guy
18:07 Limbic_Region oh - I have pretty big news too
18:07 Limbic_Region Jasmine took her first step last night
18:08 [particle] congrats! time to lock away the liquor....
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18:54 svnbot6 r14766 | fglock++ | MP6 - optimized ram usage
18:57 Ontolog How do you use ":load" with a Windows pathname?
18:57 Ontolog and btw WinHugs doesn't uninstall!! don't install it :p
18:59 Ontolog oops I got it
18:59 Ontolog in GHC you have to use double backslashes
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19:21 GabrielVieira audreyt fglock hey.. some pics from CONISLI are on :) pasting the url in pvt, ok?
19:23 fglock GabrielVieira: got it - thanks!
19:24 GabrielVieira ok :)
19:36 svnbot6 r14767 | fglock++ | MP6 - fixed syntax in Emitter.pm
19:36 [particle] fglock: is MP6 self-hosting yet?
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19:37 fglock [particle]: not yet, the token compiler still has some bugs
19:38 [particle] ok, i'll wait :)
19:39 fglock small programs compile ok, and the compiler can compile itself
19:39 fglock but the 'regex' compiler is not good enough
19:39 [particle] the new PAST compiler is in parrot, and arrays should be done shortly
19:41 fglock you mean array objects? Parrot already have arrays, right?
19:42 [particle] well, the ast representation
19:42 [particle] and emitter
19:42 [particle] for array variables
19:43 fglock actually, MP6 only needs plain Parrot - it includes it's own parser and ast
19:43 [particle] i was hoping to xform between ast
19:44 [particle] it seems the logical place to me
19:44 [particle] but we could go with emitter-only
19:44 fglock the idea is to have a single ast for all implementations, so you don't have to make transformations
19:45 [particle] that's the parrot idea, too
19:45 [particle] but so far, pugs ast and parrot ast are different
19:45 fglock and MP6 ast is also different
19:46 fglock but you can port MP6
19:48 fglock but of course one can emit higher level ast, and finish the emitter using native tools
19:49 [particle] yes, i think the natural place to move from one parser to another emitter is via ast transformations
19:50 [particle] it's the best place to decouple front- and back-ends
19:56 fglock wow - the parser is starting to work :)
19:58 fglock [particle]: audreyt meant MP6 as a tree-transformation tool
19:58 fglock which could be used to make AST transformations
19:58 [particle] oh, right.
19:58 [particle] would be nice to port that to parrot
19:59 [particle] now we're still using the old tge, which is ugly and b0rked
20:00 [particle] whereas MP6 is pretty and b0rked :)
20:00 fglock I hope it doesn't stay b0rked for too long
20:00 [particle] meetoo
20:01 fglock I'm following a compilation with the bootstrapped compiler step-by-step, it seems to be doing ok
20:02 fglock [particle]: the bootstrapped code is in v6/v6-MiniPerl6/lib5/
20:02 fglock I'm still fixing bugs
20:16 fglock home &
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20:41 Ontolog So does Pugs actually implement the entire Perl6 standard yet?
20:42 [particle] no. and the entire standard hasn't been defined yet, either :)
20:42 Limbic_Region if by standard you mean specification then no
20:42 Limbic_Region the biggest reason being what [particle] said - the specification isn't finished yet
20:49 GnuVince Does Perl 6 have a non-destructive version of s/// ?
20:50 Gothmog_ Like Perl 5 has?
20:50 Gothmog_ ($new = $old) =~ s///
20:52 Limbic_Region ?eval my $old = "foo"; my $new; ($new = $old) ~~ s :g/o/x/; say "$new\t$old";
20:52 evalbot_r14763 is now known as evalbot_r14767
20:52 evalbot_r14767 OUTPUT[fxxfoo␤] Bool::True
20:52 Limbic_Region apparently so
20:58 Limbic_Region Gothmog_ - you do realize that 1.  That IS a destructive s/// and 2.  This is equivalent to my $new = $old; $new =~ s///;
20:58 TimToady the method form of .subst is also supposed to be non-destructive, since .=subst would be the destructive form.
20:58 TimToady but it seems a bit underimplemented
20:58 Limbic_Region TimToady - am I misremebering that there is supposed to be a .words method?
20:58 Limbic_Region for strings anyway
20:58 TimToady .comb now
20:59 TimToady which defaults to combing out the words
20:59 Limbic_Region ah
20:59 Limbic_Region and there is someway to tell it how to identify a word with the default being \b or \s ?
20:59 TimToady ?eval $_ = "foo bar bletch"; .comb.join(':')
20:59 evalbot_r14767 "foo:bar:bletch"
21:00 TimToady anything you can match with m:g// should work
21:01 TimToady ?eval $_ = "foo bar bletch"; .comb(/\S+/).join(':')
21:01 evalbot_r14767 "foo:bar:bletch"
21:01 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = "one two three"; my @word = $str.comb.split(' '); ~@word
21:01 evalbot_r14767 " "
21:01 TimToady split(' ') is not magical
21:02 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = "one two three"; my @word = $str.comb(' '); ~@word
21:02 evalbot_r14767 "   "
21:02 Limbic_Region ok - but that is a single whitespace
21:02 Limbic_Region so is that another whitespace bug
21:02 TimToady no
21:02 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = "one two three"; my @word = $str.comb(/\s/); ~@word
21:02 evalbot_r14767 "   "
21:02 TimToady ~ inserts the 3rd space
21:03 Limbic_Region ok, please hand me a clue stick then
21:03 Limbic_Region if I want to get all the words in between spaces, what do I use
21:03 Limbic_Region or - if I want to get all words on \b boundaries what do I use
21:04 TimToady ?eval $_ = "foo bar bletch"; .comb(/<< .*? >>/).join(':')
21:04 evalbot_r14767 "foo:bar:bletch"
21:04 TimToady << and >> are the new \b
21:05 TimToady ?eval $_ = "foo-bar bletch"; .comb(/<< .*? >>/).join(':')
21:05 evalbot_r14767 "foo:bar:bletch"
21:06 TimToady ?eval $_ = "foo-bar bletch"; .comb.join(':')
21:06 evalbot_r14767 "foo-bar:bletch"
21:06 TimToady default is \S+
21:06 TimToady ?eval $_ = "foo-bar bletch"; .comb(/\w+/).join(':')
21:06 evalbot_r14767 "foo:bar:bletch"
21:07 Limbic_Region ok - but I don't want to join them at all
21:07 TimToady er, then don't
21:07 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = "foo-bar bletch"; my @word = $str.comb(/\w+/); ~@word;
21:07 evalbot_r14767 "foo bar bletch"
21:07 * Limbic_Region though he had tried that
21:08 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = "one two three"; my @word = $str.comb(' '); ~@word
21:08 evalbot_r14767 "   "
21:08 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = "one two three"; my @word = $str.comb(/\s+/); ~@word
21:08 evalbot_r14767 "   "
21:08 TimToady those are both correct
21:09 Limbic_Region oh duh
21:09 TimToady your list has two spaces, and ~ adds the 3rd
21:09 Limbic_Region it is what to "take" not what to split on
21:09 TimToady ?eval my $str = "one two three"; my @word = $str.comb('e'); ~@word
21:09 evalbot_r14767 "e e e"
21:10 TimToady yes, why duplicate split?
21:10 TimToady the whole cork-brained split(' ') thing in P5 was based on a figure-ground inversion.
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21:12 TimToady by the way, .comb is just implemented in Prelude.pm, not in Haskell, since it's really syntactic sugar.
21:12 Limbic_Region ?eval my $str = "one two three"; my @word = $str.comb(); ~@word
21:13 evalbot_r14767 "one two three"
21:13 GnuVince ?eval 1..3
21:13 evalbot_r14767 (1, 2, 3)
21:13 GnuVince ?eval 1.1..3
21:13 evalbot_r14767 (11/10, 21/10, 31/10)
21:13 TimToady ?eval my $str = "  one     two      three   "; my @word = $str.comb; ~@word
21:13 GnuVince ?eval 1.1 .. 4.7
21:13 evalbot_r14767 "one two three"
21:13 evalbot_r14767 (11/10, 21/10, 31/10, 41/10, 51/10)
21:14 TimToady I think .. is still doing eager eval, which is non-spec.
21:15 TimToady really should just print out a Range object.
21:16 Ontolog why the hell isn't the spec done yet?
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21:17 [particle] ontolog: it's not christmas
21:17 Ontolog is it suppose to be done by this christmas?
21:17 [particle] no, by *a* christmas
21:17 Ontolog good lord
21:18 Ontolog what are the major obstacles to getting the spec completed?
21:18 [particle] ...perhaps the designer would like to enumerate them?
21:19 Ontolog °¥Ó´£¡ËûÊDZ¿µ°¡£
21:20 [particle] ...or perhaps he wouldn't.
21:20 [particle] anyway, pugs in pretty usable, and is being used in production by more than one company
21:21 [particle] ontolog: what's the rush?
21:22 [particle] we're working on it. do you have a commit bit?
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21:26 TimToady Ontolog: the specs are asymtotically approaching complete.  The "obstacles" are merely understanding what issues the implementors and documentors will run into and dealing with them, by and large.
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21:26 TimToady but that means waiting for the implementors and documentors to implement and document. :)
21:26 [particle] don't forget about the testers!
21:26 TimToady we do not work to a waterfall here
21:27 TimToady well, they're supposed to be paying attention to the spec anyway...  :)
21:27 TimToady anyway, the design methodology is intentionally a whirlpool or strange attractor rather than a waterfall.
21:28 [particle] no wonder i fit right in
21:28 TimToady nobody is smart enough to design a good language without feedback.
21:29 TimToady s/asymtotically/asymptotically/
21:33 araujo Hello
21:33 * araujo kind of free this weekend
21:33 araujo Let's see if i can get some perl6 fun :-)
21:34 Ontolog why do you guys have to make me learn this rediculous language Haskell to make sexy time with Perl6 prototype?
21:34 araujo wt!?!
21:34 Limbic_Region Ontolog - we don't, you can happily enjoy Perl 6 without knowing any Haskell (that's my situation)
21:34 araujo Ontolog, Because all the cool kids are doing Haskell
21:35 araujo And so we want Perl6 to be cool
21:35 * [particle] is not one of the cool kids
21:35 Limbic_Region Ontolog - if you want to contribute to the continuing implementation of Perl 6 you needn't learn Haskell either
21:35 Ontolog Haskell gives me make brown in pants
21:35 [particle] ontolog: check out the test suite... it's all written in perl6
21:35 [particle] no haskell necessary
21:36 Limbic_Region Ontolog - one of the main points of Perl 6 is having a specification that allows for multiple implementations so please, finish up implementing all of the existing Perl 6 specification by this Xmas in your language of choice
21:36 Limbic_Region we will all be greatful
21:36 Ontolog okay I will get right on it
21:36 Ontolog Yackshimash!
21:36 Limbic_Region Ontolog - OTOH, if you wish to continue to move the snowball forward that has the most momentum - learn Haskell
21:36 Ontolog I am learning Haskell right now
21:37 * Limbic_Region notes the time and runs for the door
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21:41 pmurias Ontolog: or if you prefere murky perl5 generation you could try to help fglock make MiniPerl6 self hosting...
21:41 Ontolog no no i'm learning haskell
21:41 Ontolog but my question is this
21:42 Ontolog how long must i study this mud monkey of a language before i can start hacking on pugs?
21:43 integral IIRC I took about a month
21:44 Ontolog aww man a whole month
21:44 Ontolog ok
21:44 pmurias haskell makes up for the radical tradeoffs/limitations with some pretty scary/advanced stuff
21:45 Ontolog i'm just curious, do you pugs coders use the crappy white-space formatting or do you use explicit braces and semicolons?
21:45 integral ws forever!  It's very neat
21:45 integral (As long as you don't use it excessively on page-long functions...   of course, page long functions should not exist)
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21:46 pmurias semicolons and braces are frowned upon from in haskell land (from what little i read)
21:47 pmurias sleep&
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22:35 SamB integral: you might sometimes have page-long where clauses
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23:17 Limbic_Region anyone else find that smoking hangs on t/perl5/modify_inside_p5_p6.t ?
23:18 Limbic_Region or is that just another Win32 thing?
23:19 Limbic_Region @tell audreyt Win32 hangs smoking on t/perl5/modify_inside_p5_p6.t
23:19 lambdabot Consider it noted.
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23:43 loumz A comment on the pugs blog said that the "This week on Perl 6" link on pugscode.org is outdated (points to http://www.perl.com/pub/au/Fowles_Matt), last update august 2005
23:43 TimToady Limbic_Region: it appears that it is waiting for standard input for some reason.
23:44 loumz I can fix this by changing docs/feather/pugscode.org/index.html right?
23:44 TimToady try it and see.
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23:46 loumz OK, where should I link to? http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1926 , http://pugs.blogs.com/pugs/summary/index.html , or http://www.mail-archive.co​m/perl6-announce@perl.org/
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23:50 TimToady I'd go for the middle one.
23:51 gnuvince Good evening people in EST
23:51 svnbot6 r14768 | loumz++ | * Changed Perl6 mailing list summary link to http://pugs.blogs.com/pugs/summary/index.html
23:51 svnbot6 r14768 | loumz++ |   since the old one (http://www.perl.com/pub/au/Fowles_Matt) was outdated.
23:53 TimToady doesn't seem to fix the page.  oh well.
23:53 TimToady probably needs to be copied somewhere.
23:53 [particle] good night, mrs. calabash, wherever you are
23:53 [particle] timtoady: i think it syncs every n minutes
23:54 TimToady well, that's a kind of copy... :)
23:56 TimToady page doesn't seem to set utf-8 properly either.

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