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10:31 svnbot6 r14857 | fglock++ | MP6-Parrot - added infix:<||>, infix:<&&>
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10:33 fglock kolibrie: pong
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10:51 * DebolazX ponders making perl 5 use '.' instead of '->'.
10:51 kane-xs acme::dot ?
10:52 DebolazX That didn't work very well. :-)
10:52 DebolazX Also, need to replace '.' with '~'.
10:53 nothingmuch DebolazX: ObjectivePerl is waaaay cooler
10:53 DebolazX nothingmuch: Scary. :o
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11:27 dduncan dood
11:28 nothingmuch dooooood
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11:32 szabgab Good morning
11:32 szabgab I am trying to make sense of the smoke reports created by TAP::Matrix
11:32 szabgab I wonder why does it say FAILED next to rows that are all green?
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12:56 gaal szabgab: TODO maybe? are they dark green
12:56 gaal afk
12:57 audreyt it also might be that it exited with error
12:57 audreyt after completing all tests
13:03 DebolazX audreyt: The old picture in your article on wikipedia got deleted so I replaced it with another one in the commons archive.
13:11 audreyt cool, thanks.
13:11 audreyt I wonder why it's deleted. lack of copyright?
13:12 audreyt hm, no, lack of full description
13:12 audreyt that's fine. old pictures is fine :)
13:12 audreyt thanks for the update
13:14 nothingmuch mooooooooooooooo
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13:25 * kolibrie visited moose territory last week, but did not see any moose :(
13:26 nothingmuch that's aweful =(
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13:38 szabgab http://m19s28.vlinux.de/iblech/stuff/pugs-s​mokes/pugs-smoke-6.2.13-r14757-darwin-norma​l--1163556691-1512--17925-17879-46-4587-672​-18--5c0e335ee11f016bc6f82c78e19b2fee.html
13:38 lambdabot Title: TAP Matrix - Wed Nov 15 01:59:19 2006 GMT, http://tinyurl.com/y2qcc3
13:39 szabgab this report has everything FAILED even though they are green
13:43 eviltwin_b that's a compatibility thing in the test harness
13:45 szabgab ic, so that's not normal, thanks
13:46 szabgab another issue: while compiling pugs on linux load went up to 26+
13:47 Patterner really? make -j30?
13:47 szabgab now I ran it with   nice -20 make, it seems to be in the 9-11 load area but I don't see anything ghc-i in top
13:48 Patterner never saw happen here
13:52 szabgab well, if that is not Pugs then someone is playing Solitari on that machine...
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13:56 szabgab another issue with the test matrix that it seems the links under the green and red boxen all lead to 404 pages
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14:04 szabgab Build failed: 2304 at util/build_pugs.pl line 359.
14:04 szabgab what is this ?
14:05 dmq a bug?
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14:24 broquaint A feature?
14:24 dmq a featured bug?
14:24 broquaint A bugged feature?
14:24 dmq indeed.
14:25 dmq ~ he was quick on the draw - i  thought i'd be dead / he put the gun to my head and this is what he said ~
14:25 szabgab so how can I overcome this feature?
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14:41 Limbic_Region dmq - don't you know I have a license to kill, I think you know what time it is - it is time to get ill
14:41 dmq L~R++
14:50 Limbic_Region dmq - is there are reason 5.9.5 isn't on CPAN?
14:51 nothingmuch Limbic_Region: http://avva.livejournal.com/1673636.html
14:51 lambdabot Title: avva: geek rap contest (англ.)
14:53 Limbic_Region nothingmuch - I am unlikely to win by stealing Beastie Boy lyrics from er the 90's
14:53 nothingmuch i thought that album was from the 80s?
14:54 nothingmuch aye, 1986
14:55 nothingmuch anymoose, i have to be nice to guests
14:55 nothingmuch see you
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15:29 stevan nothingmuch: I think you should rap-battle this guy - http://graphics.stanford.e​du/~monzy/KillDashNine.mp3
15:29 lambdabot http://tinyurl.com/eboy7
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16:06 cmeyer Hi
16:06 cmeyer I'm trying to build parrot and am running into trouble.
16:07 cmeyer ./parrot -o runtime/parrot/library/Parrot/Capture_PIR.pbc runtime/parrot/library/Parrot/Capture_PIR.pir
16:07 cmeyer error:imcc:syntax error, unexpected $undefined
16:07 cmeyer        in file 'runtime/parrot/library/Parrot/Capture_PIR.pir' line 18
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16:09 kolibrie ooooh, fglock!
16:09 * kolibrie just compiled two modules using MiniPerl6
16:09 kolibrie (now to find out if they work)
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16:11 fglock kolibrie: please let me know :)
16:11 kolibrie fglock: will do
16:11 szabgab cmeyer: I just built parrot withou problem, maybe you need to make clean before?
16:11 kolibrie I'm sure I'll have questions
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16:12 cmeyer szabgab: I did do a make realclean.
16:12 fglock kolibrie: mp6-parrot can already run simple things
16:12 kolibrie fglock: I'm returning to my extraction project from a month or two ago
16:13 kolibrie so mostly grammars
16:14 fglock kolibrie: please note that mp6 grammars are "very" limited
16:14 fglock see it's own grammars for examples
16:15 kolibrie fglock: more limited than Pugs::Compiler::Rule?
16:15 fglock yes - the grammar was much simplified in order to bootstrap easily
16:17 * DebolazX prods stevan
16:17 stevan Debolaz: I answered you over on irc.perl.org,.. I lost my stupid freenode password, and I am too lazy to get a new one :)
16:18 kolibrie fglock: hopefully it will have everything I need, or I can fall back to PCR (I hope)
16:18 kolibrie stevan: now is the time!  do it now!
16:18 stevan kolibrie: naaah,... still too lazy :P
16:19 kolibrie stevan: okay, well, maybe next year
16:19 stevan kolibrie: :)
16:21 cmeyer I just checked out a fresh parrot (r#15918), and am still failing at the same point, runtime/parrot/library/Parrot/Capture_PIR.pir.
16:23 DebolazX stevan: Problem is, that client is at home. I'm far away from home, I'm all the way over at the office. :-)
16:23 * DebolazX boots up another client.
16:24 TimToady cmeyer: have you ever installed parrot?
16:25 TimToady you might have something old sitting around interfering
16:25 TimToady not even a make realclean would get rid of that.
16:25 TimToady you'd have to hunt it down and remove it by hand.
16:25 cmeyer TimToady: yeah, I've got a /usr/local/bin/parrot. But the build is calling ./parrot .
16:25 cmeyer I'll try killing the installed parrot.
16:26 TimToady usually it's the installed libs that get you.
16:27 TimToady so people working on bleeding edge pugs and parrot tend not to install, but just make a symlink from /usr/local/bin/foo to the actual binary
16:27 svnbot6 r14858 | fglock++ | MP6-Parrot - fixed lookup-binding
16:28 cmeyer I'll try rm -rf /usr/local/lib/parrot and rebuild. Thx for the advice.
16:28 TimToady you did do a realclean first?
16:28 cmeyer Yep.
16:28 TimToady the rm is likely to fix it then.
16:29 TimToady unless it's something architectural
16:29 cmeyer I'll know shortly. :)
16:29 TimToady or someone broke the build...
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16:29 TimToady but I just rebuilt here in the last 5 min
16:30 TimToady what's your architecture?
16:30 cmeyer I'm building on a slightly old suse linux.
16:30 cmeyer darn. I got the same error.
16:31 TimToady what's the error?
16:31 cmeyer ./parrot -o runtime/parrot/library/Parrot/Capture_PIR.pbc runtime/parrot/library/Parrot/Capture_PIR.pir
16:31 cmeyer error:imcc:syntax error, unexpected $undefined
16:31 cmeyer        in file 'runtime/parrot/library/Parrot/Capture_PIR.pir' line 18
16:32 TimToady old binary of imcc out there somewhere?
16:32 cmeyer which imcc returns nothing.
16:33 TimToady hmm.
16:33 TimToady you might need to hunt someone down on #parrot
16:33 TimToady most of the folk here are more pugs-savvy than parrot-savvy.
16:34 cmeyer I'll try there. Thanks for your help.
16:34 TimToady np
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16:47 Limbic_Region cmeyer - not sure if anyone told you that #parrot was on a different network but it is - irc.perl.org
16:48 Limbic_Region TimToady - is it Christmas yet?
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16:57 cmeyer Limbic_Region: thanks
16:58 kolibrie fglock: my grammar and emitter both compile to compilable perl 5, but when I try to run them I get: Can't locate object method "digit" via package "My::Grammar"
16:59 kolibrie I tried using <?digit> and \d, and both give the same error
17:00 kolibrie I see that digit is defined in MiniPerl6::Perl5::Runtime, but I can't seem to make it available in My::Grammar
17:01 fglock kolibrie: you have to specify MiniPerl6::Grammar::digit - mp6 doesn't have inheritance
17:01 kolibrie fglock: so <?MiniPerl6::Grammar::digit> ?
17:01 fglock yes
17:02 kolibrie thanks
17:05 kolibrie fglock: that gives me this when I try to compile to perl 5: error in Block at lib5/MiniPerl6/Grammar.pm line 14, <> line 40.
17:05 fglock kolibrie: are you using '=' instead of ':=' ? this is my most common error
17:06 fglock this is a 'syntax error' message
17:06 kolibrie fglock: I'm not doing any assignment
17:06 kolibrie there are no compile errors if I use <?digit>
17:07 kolibrie changing to <?MiniPerl6::Grammar::digit> causes this error
17:07 fglock oh, right - it's <?MiniPerl6::Grammar.digit>  - method call
17:07 kolibrie ah, good, that worked
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17:09 fglock mp6 should have been called µp6, or np6
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17:16 fglock otoh, it's mini, not mili - so it's ok
17:16 pmurias no perl6 (for you) :)
17:16 pmurias ?
17:18 fglock pmurias: hi
17:19 pmurias hi
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18:05 rindolf Hi all.
18:05 rindolf rgs: here?
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20:07 Troobloo i need a profile manager for my site, know of any that will allow users to register, and the site create static profile page with photo?
20:11 Limbic_Region Troobloo - you want #perl not #perl6
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22:39 Limbic_Region wow, very exciting perl 6 design meeting notes
22:39 Limbic_Region it looks like parrot is nearly ready to run the pugs test suite
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