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TreyHarris |
audreyt's email seems to be broken, anyone know anything about that? |
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audreyt |
TreyHarris: registerfly.com's email forwarding is completely hosted |
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TreyHarris |
audreyt: ahh, if you have a backup address could you privmsg it to me? |
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audreyt |
TreyHarris: audreyt.org at gmail.com |
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TreyHarris |
thanks! |
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audreyt |
np # back to sleep |
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Tene |
one of the examples contains "say for sort keys %bad". |
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Tene |
That doesn't seem to work for me. Should it? That syntax only prints blank lines for me. |
| 09:15 |
Tene |
I need to use "say $_ for sort keys %hash" |
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audreyt |
.say for sort |
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audreyt |
which example has that? |
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Tene |
examples/qotw/009r/spel.pl |
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audreyt |
fixed |
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svnbot6 |
r14882 | audreyt++ | examples/qotw/009r/spel.pl: |
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svnbot6 |
r14882 | audreyt++ | * Change the bogus "sort for ...;" statement to ".sort for ...". |
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svnbot6 |
r14882 | audreyt++ | Tene++ for noticing this. |
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svnbot6 |
r14882 | audreyt++ | * Change "$str.split(/\s+/)" to the more canonical "$str.comb". |
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xinming |
welcome back, audreyt |
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xinming |
:-) |
| 09:43 |
audreyt |
for some definition of "back" :) |
| 09:43 |
audreyt |
ADSL and electricity and furniture finally set up as of today |
| 09:43 |
audreyt |
so except for total exhaustion, I think I have backspace now, yeah :) |
| 09:43 |
wolverian |
furniture? pfft :) |
| 09:44 |
audreyt |
yes, furniture. and scooba! |
| 09:44 |
* audreyt |
loves her new robotic pet |
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audreyt |
pondering whether to get roomba too |
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wolverian |
are they high-mainteinance? |
| 09:46 |
audreyt |
zero-. |
| 09:46 |
audreyt |
well, scooba doesn't have that plug-itself-in feature |
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audreyt |
so you still need to charge it once in a while and fill in water |
| 09:47 |
audreyt |
but other than that it's self-motivating |
| 09:50 |
clkao |
audreyt :D |
| 09:59 |
xinming |
audreyt: hmm. could you please answer my question? :-P |
| 10:01 |
xinming |
BTW, where are you? in TaiWan? |
| 10:01 |
audreyt |
xinming: which question what that? (yes i'm in taipei) |
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clkao |
audreyt: does it dump the sac by itself as well? |
| 10:04 |
xinming |
audreyt: hmm, about programming language suggestion, I ever read pugs blog, and found the someone said that you suggested him to learn 4 languages. haskell/lisp/ and... |
| 10:04 |
xinming |
I just can remember haskell. >_< |
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audreyt |
didn't remember |
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audreyt |
io? scala? |
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audreyt |
bbiab |
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nothingmuch |
hi audreyt |
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nothingmuch |
wb |
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svnbot6 |
r14883 | fglock++ | MP6-perl5 - reuse 'Bind' for subroutine param list |
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xinming |
audreyt: thanks anyway. >_< |
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masak |
audreyt: wb. congrats on the ADSL, electricity and furniture |
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audreyt |
thanks! :) |
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nothingmuch |
and the moose |
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Debolaz |
Is it just me or does ruby strive for less obfuscation than perl 5 and perl 6 strives for more? |
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Limbic_Region |
audreyt - are you like back to the land of the living or still in some state of half life? |
| 14:09 |
audreyt |
back to land of living, I think, though it's a bit late here and I need to sleep :) but nothing blocks me from hacking again, woot. |
| 14:09 |
ayrnieu |
debolaz - sorry, I've no idea what you mean by 'obfuscation', here. |
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kolibrie |
hey, audreyt's back! welcome! |
| 14:12 |
audreyt |
thanks :) it's been a minor hell setting up a new residence :) |
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audreyt |
and my withdrawal from not having wireless net surprised even myself :) |
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* kolibrie |
still has dial-up at home, and keeps hoping the fiber lines buried in the neighborhood a year and a half ago will get lit sometime |
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Limbic_Region |
well, congrats and sleep well |
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audreyt |
g'nite :) |
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nwc10 |
perl -wle 'print"&%#+"|"`}[@"&reverse$^X while!select$,,$,,$%,1/$]' |
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nwc10 |
will run faster under perl 6 :-) |
| 16:59 |
TimToady |
it will, however, produce different output |
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nwc10 |
:-) |
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nwc10 |
even if $^X still ends "perl" ? |
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TimToady |
let's see. there's no select. | does something different |
| 17:00 |
TimToady |
keywords and listops require a space after them. |
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nwc10 |
gosh. yes. I'm forgetting junctions |
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TimToady |
there's no $, |
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TimToady |
or $% |
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nwc10 |
it didn't work under perl 4 either :-) |
| 17:01 |
TimToady |
or $] for that matter. |
| 17:01 |
TimToady |
other than that, should work fine. |
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TimToady |
oh yes, and no $^X either. |
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nwc10 |
will there still be 4 argument select? |
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nwc10 |
and will the perl6 parser get upset by my "" string ending @ ? |
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TimToady |
no, it won't get upset at that. |
| 17:03 |
TimToady |
you can't interpolate an array without [] in perl 6. |
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TimToady |
so you have to say @foo[] to get it to interpolate |
| 17:03 |
TimToady |
so email addresses are safe now |
| 17:04 |
TimToady |
I don't think either select will be there. possibly you can get at the old 4-arg select with use POSIX or some such. |
| 17:05 |
TimToady |
but async will be built-in to the language at a lower level. |
| 17:05 |
TimToady |
if you just want to sleep a while, say sleep(0.25) or whatever. |
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nwc10 |
I was about to type something like that :-) |
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TimToady |
the time interfaces are biased towards floating point in P6 |
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nwc10 |
as to something on-topic, last night I got to the point of making PVBM in blead the same size as PVMG |
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nwc10 |
so tonight I think I can eliminate it, and free up a type for doing proxies for 6 on 5 |
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TimToady |
cool! |
| 17:08 |
nwc10 |
but someone else can do that, because I'm not sure how to do it :-) |
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nwc10 |
I don't think that it matters if it's done pre 5.10 - I think it can be added in 5.10.1 or 5.10.2 without breaking binary compatibility. |
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TimToady |
as long as the enum is reserved... |
| 17:09 |
nwc10 |
exactly. |
| 17:09 |
TimToady |
sounds like a plan |
| 17:09 |
nwc10 |
still not totally sure what to do about SVt_PVBM - I think I need to #define it to SVt_PVMG outside PERL_CORE |
| 17:10 |
nwc10 |
Did you see Aaron Crane's message to perl5-porters about Named-capture regex syntax? |
| 17:10 |
TimToady |
recent? |
| 17:10 |
TimToady |
haven't read p5p for a couple of weeks... |
| 17:11 |
nwc10 |
After chatting with dmq (possibly after my question from the audience in dmq's talk) he's wondering if (+<name>pattern) would be better than (? |
| 17:11 |
nwc10 |
Today. Hot off the proess |
| 17:11 |
nwc10 |
For anyone wanting to put a face to dmq: http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthewblack/318954738/ |
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lambdabot |
Title: DSCF0051 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! |
| 17:12 |
nwc10 |
Actually, the message was 1 hour ago. So not surprised if you'd not seen it |
| 17:12 |
nwc10 |
I'm just hating some work code. |
| 17:13 |
nwc10 |
so was reading other e-mail |
| 17:13 |
TimToady |
eek, I haven't even started drinking my coffee. |
| 17:14 |
nwc10 |
So why are you on IRC? :-) |
| 17:15 |
nwc10 |
I also got PVGV to the same size as PVMG, but I think that it would cause too much pain to merge them. |
| 17:16 |
TimToady |
likely |
| 17:18 |
TimToady |
my basic opinion is that P5 regex syntax is hopelessly tangled, so it doesn't much matter what you do to it anymore, as long as it doesn't confuse people with different semantics for the same syntax that P6 uses. |
| 17:21 |
nwc10 |
Right. Seems sane. |
| 17:21 |
nwc10 |
all the (?? confuse me a lot |
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broquaint |
The ?? pre-empt the confusion that follows. |
| 17:23 |
TimToady |
?? is read "highly questionable"... :) |
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PerlJam |
nwc10: me too, but I've gotten used to the shorter versions of <before: ...> and <after: ...> so much that I wish there were a syntactic shortcut for perl6 :-) |
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TimToady |
you can always define one. :) |
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szabgab |
evening, |
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szabgab |
does anyone know what happened to http://cpants.perl.org/ ? |
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cognominal |
I have heard in #perlfr it is currently down |
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GeJ |
møøse all |
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GeJ |
welcome back audreyt |
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svnbot6 |
r14884 | kolibrie++ | added extract_pghpw.t showing how to extract data using a grammar |
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svnbot6 |
r14884 | kolibrie++ | unfortunately, not all the tests seem to pass |
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kolibrie |
with util/prove6 --pugs, I get skipped tests - rules support appears to be missing |
| 21:09 |
kolibrie |
with util/prove6 --perl5, I get Can't locate object method "presenter" via package "Pugs::Grammar::Base" |
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kolibrie |
but it mostly works on an old pugs repo I haven't updated since late summer |
| 21:10 |
kolibrie |
except for the emitter part |
| 21:16 |
kolibrie |
@tell fglock see t/regex/extract_pghpw.t http://colabti.de/irclogger/irclogger_log/perl6?date=2006-12-12,Tue&sel=98#l231 |
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lambdabot |
Consider it noted. |
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nwc10 |
what's a good name for an SV type used for aliasing and binding in 6 on 5? |
| 22:27 |
nwc10 |
4 letters or less (abbreviated is fine) |
| 22:28 |
nwc10 |
existing names are in the enum near the top of http://public.activestate.com/cgi-bin/perlbrowse?show_blame=Show+Annotated+File&filename=sv.h&rev=&change= |
| 22:28 |
lambdabot |
Title: Blamelog for sv.h, http://tinyurl.com/y8cw8r |
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cognominal |
"canonical time" appears many time in the synopsis about statement. I suppose it means that optimizer is not allowed to evaluate the statement prematuraly |
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cognominal |
am I right? |
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TimToady |
cognominal: it can evaluate it early if it has no side effects, but if there are side effects, they must happen when the naïve NFA engine would fire off the closure. |
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cognominal |
thx TimToady |
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Limbic_Region |
oh hey cognominal - I meant to respond to your inquiry into CPAN oddities |
| 23:24 |
Limbic_Region |
something that might be worth perusing is the alternates to 1; at the end of modules to indicate truth |
| 23:24 |
cognominal |
Limbic_Region: you probably mean cog instead of cognominal? |
| 23:24 |
Limbic_Region |
in my non-CPAN modules I use "This statement is false"; |
| 23:25 |
Limbic_Region |
cog ne cognomial? |
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cognominal |
nope |
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* Limbic_Region |
smacks forehead |
| 23:25 |
Limbic_Region |
nope, definately not |
| 23:25 |
Limbic_Region |
heh |
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cognominal |
I tried very hard to find a nick not used (much) anywhere in the but never thought it would be confused with cog. |
| 23:26 |
cognominal |
s/in the/$& net/ |
| 23:26 |
Limbic_Region |
that's my fault for assuming (and not /whois ing) |
| 23:26 |
Limbic_Region |
my apologies |
| 23:27 |
cognominal |
no harm done. |
| 23:28 |
cognominal |
I went to lpw and jonathan and demerphq did very good presentations on respectively Perl 6 and Perl 6 regex in Perl 5.10 |
| 23:29 |
cognominal |
I am thrilled to see how Perl 6 revigorates Perl 5 |
| 23:29 |
cognominal |
rgs will have trouble to push out 5.10 with all these new features |
| 23:30 |
rgs |
well, no (I hope) |
| 23:31 |
cognominal |
l'espoir fait vivre... |
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Limbic_Region |
perl 5.10 is probably the only language inheriting from the future (or something like that) |
| 23:40 |
Limbic_Region |
rgs - are you staying on as release pumpking? |
| 23:40 |
Limbic_Region |
after 5.10 that is |
| 23:41 |
Limbic_Region |
if so, just get 5.10 out the door and start working on 5.12 |
| 23:49 |
nwc10 |
there is this small matter of making sure that 5.10 is correct |
| 23:53 |
avar |
wasn't 5.10 going to run on parrot? |
| 23:53 |
nwc10 |
no, that was a misconception |
| 23:55 |
Debolaz |
Is there a whatsnew somewhere on perl 5.10? |
| 23:56 |
nwc10 |
well, sort of. |
| 23:56 |
nwc10 |
the changes from 5.9.4 to 5.9.5 are in {dump.c,sv.h,sv.c,util.c,ext/Storable/Storable.xs,pod/perltodo.pod} |
| 23:56 |
nwc10 |
oops. |
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nwc10 |
http://public.activestate.com/cgi-bin/perlbrowse?show_file=Show+Plain+File&filename=pod%2Fperl595delta.pod&rev=&change= |
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nwc10 |
and then http://public.activestate.com/cgi-bin/perlbrowse?show_file=Show+Plain+File&filename=pod%2Fperl594delta.pod&rev=&change= |
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nwc10 |
actually, easier to work back staring with http://search.cpan.org/~rgarcia/perl-5.9.4/pod/perl594delta.pod |
| 23:58 |
nwc10 |
and then http://search.cpan.org/~rgarcia/perl-5.9.4/pod/perl593delta.pod |
| 23:58 |
nwc10 |
there will be one perl510delta.pod, with it all in, but it's not written yet |
| 23:59 |
cognominal |
I really would like to see something similar to grammar in perl 5.10 |
