Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2006-12-24

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01:50 TimToady honestly, I think I could redefine the whole language over Christmas and no one would notice.  :)
01:55 Tene TimToady: howso?
01:57 TimToady 'cuz it seems like no one is reading p6l right now.  :)
01:58 TimToady I guess Perl people have too many families, or somethin'
01:59 araujo haha
02:01 TimToady I've been trying to remember who was carping about the smartmatching tables not being consistent in the synopses, and can't.  I hope they like the new version better.
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02:02 * araujo bets if TimToady makes a release announcement 'half' of the world will be talking about perl6
02:03 dduncan regarding the 'cat' operator ... AFAIK, it is meant to evoke the Unix 'cat' utility, but I think that for a lot of people that name is ambiguously confusing ... I suggest an alternative name, perhaps 'concat', instead
02:04 dduncan for one thing, I usually find abbreviated names easier to understand if they involve the start of the word or phrase they are summarizing
02:04 TimToady I think there is little chance of people confusing the operator with a feline.
02:04 araujo haha
02:05 dduncan how many other operators don't resemble the start of the word they are summarizing?
02:05 TimToady there are people who use the word "catenate"
02:06 TimToady con is just "with" noise from Latin
02:06 dduncan so catenate is the actual base word?
02:06 TimToady you'd have to ask a Roman
02:07 TimToady anyway, nobody who's ever had anything to do with Unix would be confused.
02:08 araujo very similar to spanish
02:08 TimToady dinner is calling; I got me one of them thar families too, seems. &
02:08 araujo 'concatenar' == 'con' == 'with'
02:08 dduncan fyi, 'cat' means 'catalog' to me
02:08 araujo catenar being the base word
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02:18 dduncan I see 'cat' evoking 'categorize' or 'catalog' or other words in a lot of people before 'concatenate' ... which is why I brought this subject up ... I know there would be no confusing with a feline
02:20 dduncan but, whatever, people will learn whatever it is chosen to mean
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03:20 wolverian I thought of the feline kind first. weird experience, that.
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05:37 svnbot6 r14935 | lwall++ | change "is from" to ":= cat"
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05:51 beppu{home} For any of you who have watched Eben Moglen's speech at the recent Plone Conference ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NorfgQlEJv8 ), ...
05:51 beppu{home} What do you think he meant when he said that the Perl community was "Inward Looking"?
05:51 beppu{home} FYI, It's about 42 minutes into the talk.
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07:00 cognominal it has a strong identity that is slow to share :)
07:02 cognominal btw, criticizing Perl by putting up to par with gcc is not so much a critic btw.
07:04 cognominal He says that today economy is strengthened by communauties and that Perl is not strong at that but all his talks is about free software building communauties...
07:04 cognominal beats me.
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07:20 gaal you could call it conc and confuse everyone who ever knew lisp, as well as everyone who never did
07:22 dduncan mind you, 'cat' is better than 'con'
07:22 dduncan or 'oncat'
07:26 gaal I don't know whnce this discordian mood, but you could also call it tack, confusing unix folks who might be thinkicn of tac(1).
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12:26 masak re the ":= cat" syntax, why not use ":= tie" or something? right now it seems the comment has to explain that ":= cat" ties the scalar to the filehandle
12:26 masak whereas if it said "my $stream := tie $fh;", it would be obvious
12:27 masak just my €0.02, i haven't really looked deeply into the issue
12:27 ayrnieu what currency of cents are those?
12:28 gaal euro
12:29 gaal just to make sure: @lines := =fh is already lazy w/o modifications, right?
12:30 gaal because I thought we encountered problems with close-before-read precisely on filehandles
12:30 gaal and audreyt changed =$fh to be strict in response.
12:31 gaal so I'm not saying anything about the cat/tie/whatever language feature, except that the example in the docs may not be a good one.
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21:04 GeJ Merry Xmøøse all!
21:12 masak yes, merry holidays
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