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00:02 jisom ?eval int rand()
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00:09 tene ?eval int(rand() * 500)
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00:09 TimToady ?eval (0..^500).pick
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00:10 TimToady ?eval (^500).pick
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00:10 TimToady hmm
00:10 tene ?eval ^500.pick
00:10 evalbot_r15249 Error: pick not defined: VInt 500
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00:10 TimToady precedence
00:10 allbery_b ?eval rand(100)
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00:10 TimToady ?eval pick ^500
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00:11 TimToady not sure why it's numifying
00:11 TimToady well, that'll probably fix itself when we get real range objects
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07:54 gaal any Module::Install folks around?
07:54 Aankhen`` Heh, I read "folks" as "forks".
07:55 gaal `perl Makefile.PL' mooses up the inc/ dir, which is bad, because when someone uses an svn checkout that dir's no longer valid
07:56 gaal I haven't found any discussions of this on teh intenets, so I may be doing something wrong, but then again searching for "module install perl subversion" isn't very useful :)
07:57 gaal (I never met with this problem during testing, as I use svk)
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08:03 * Aankhen`` wonders if there's any value in buying a book about Perl 6 published in June 2004.
08:03 Patterner Are you a historian?
08:11 Aankhen`` Nope.
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11:23 rindolf Hi all.
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11:26 masak rindolf: Hello.
11:27 masak I'm worried about audreyt. I don't know much about hepatitis, but "severe hepatitis" doesn't sound good to me
11:29 * masak wonders if there would be any way to create a "get well soon" card from all of the Pugs/Parrot/Perl6 team and send it to her somehow
11:34 andara masak: we could maybe scan our message and assemble them in Gimp?
11:36 avar masak: It generally means you're pretty fucked, not to incite anything
11:37 avar I got off very well on hepatitis but it was still two days in a hospital + extreme pain/vomiting/had to be given morphene
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11:38 avar oh, and it's followed by injections over two weeks, four times a day
11:39 avar uhu
11:40 avar I'm confusing it with meningitis, ignore my ramblings:)
11:40 avar hepatitis is inflammation of the liver:)
11:42 andara it depends on the type (A, B or C) but in general it takes 1-3 months to get over it
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15:09 masak avar: you had me really worried there for a while. but at least it sounds like we can hope to IR-see audreyt again
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16:41 rindolf Hi all.
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16:44 TimToady hello
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16:45 rindolf Hi TimToady
16:45 rindolf TimToady: what's up?
16:45 rindolf So is audreyt really not feeling well?
16:46 TimToady yes, and likely to be out for quite some time
16:46 TimToady one doesn't just "bounce back" from hepatitis, normally
16:47 rindolf TimToady: I see. :-(
16:51 BooK which kind of hepatitis is it?
17:01 TimToady BooK: didn't say
17:02 TimToady 'course, the word itself just means an inflamed liver, which could have any number of causes
17:02 merlyn including literally? :)
17:03 andara yes, but unless it's type-A, it's very serious
17:03 merlyn as in, if a person's liver is physically on fire, does it count as hep? :)
17:03 merlyn and what if it's in a pan being cooked?
17:03 TimToady merlyn: don't be inflamatory. :)
17:04 merlyn yes, I don't mean to flame.
17:04 merlyn too easy to get burned that way
17:04 TimToady so we changed inflamable to flamable to avoid confusing people, why didn't we change inflame to flame at the same time?
17:05 merlyn we need "outflame" :)
17:05 TimToady audreyt needs her liver outflamed.
17:05 merlyn exactly
17:05 merlyn make some deflamatory remarks
17:06 TimToady I don't want to get sued for deflamation.
17:06 [particle] give me a break. can't we leave this topic alone?
17:07 TimToady sorry
17:07 [particle] give-- btw
17:07 TimToady already fixed
17:08 TimToady 'bout five minutes ago
17:08 [particle] yes, that's what my comment referenced
17:08 [particle] my lack of smiley and your lack of coffee collided
17:08 TimToady :)
17:09 TimToady yeah, completely missed the double pun
17:09 TimToady been trying to go easy on the coffee lately to get my blood pressure down, sigh
17:10 TimToady low-sodium diets are teh suxor
17:10 TimToady as are low-caffeine diets
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17:54 diotalevi /who #cbstream
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18:12 ericgar hello. is there going to be another Parrot Bug Day soon?
18:18 [particle] http://rakudo.org/parrot/in​dex.cgi?bug_day_2007_02_17
18:18 lambdabot Title: Bug Day, 2007-02-17 / Parrot
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18:25 ericgar [particle]: thank you.
18:27 ruoso !seen fglock
18:27 devbot6 ruoso: Error: "seen" is not a valid command.
18:30 Ziggy6 @seen fglock
18:30 lambdabot I saw fglock leaving #perl6 3d 18m 51s ago, and .
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18:59 buu Er, make -j3 fails but make suceeds?
19:01 moritz buu: do you have enough RAM for three parallel haskell processes?
19:01 buu Possibly.
19:01 moritz buu: I have 512MB and it starts swapping even with one single process :(
19:01 buu So far one is only using about 150mb
19:02 buu So I'm cpubound =[
19:04 rindolf Is there an XML parser for Perl6?
19:04 rindolf Perl 6, sorry.
19:05 beppu (someone ought to port Hpricot)
19:05 moritz user perl6:XML::Simple; or something ;)
19:05 beppu http://code.whytheluckystiff.net/hpricot/
19:05 lambdabot Title: Hpricot, a fast and delightful HTML parser
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19:23 TimToady does anyone here know how to restart all of audreyt's bots while she is out of commission?
19:26 PerlJam wish I did.  Someone should post that to a wiki or something
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19:26 kolibrie I documented what I think happened the last time evalbot needed to be restarted
19:26 kolibrie in a README, I think
19:28 TimToady seems like keeping that going would be a good task for someone who wants to help out.
19:29 kolibrie there's also the svnbot, which I haven't figured out yet
19:30 TimToady ?eval 42
19:30 evalbot_r15251 42
19:30 TimToady evalbot is working
19:30 TimToady it's svnbot that seems down
19:30 kolibrie :)
19:30 kolibrie :(
19:31 TimToady devbot6: help
19:31 devbot6 TimToady: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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19:31 TimToady that one's there too, so it's just svnbot6 that is apparently MIA
19:31 PerlJam TimToady: btw, I'm sure you don't hear (or see) this enough but ... thanks for all the work you've put into perl over the years.  
19:32 TimToady I simultaneously get too much and not enough.  Thanks for the encouragement.
19:32 jamessan whoa, there's a supybot in here
19:33 kolibrie TimToady: I'm also really grateful for Perl, particularly Perl 6 grammars at the moment
19:33 jamessan I'm constantly surprised by what projects use my bot
19:34 TimToady well, they still have warts, which I'm discovering by trying to write a Perl 6 grammar in Perl 6...
19:35 PerlJam TimToady: sure, but you're the best qualified to iron out those warts :-)
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19:35 TimToady don't know if I'm best qualified, but I'm the tortoise that just has to keep going, while the hare comes and goes, alas...
19:36 [particle] @Larry: turtles all the way down.
19:36 lambdabot Unknown command, try @list
19:36 TimToady and hares all the way up.
19:36 PerlJam [particle]: I thought in the perliverse that it's camels all the way down.
19:38 buu So.. how many tests is pugs supposed to be passing these days?
19:38 PerlJam buu: how many did it pass when you ran "make test"?
19:39 TimToady 17893 :)
19:39 TimToady basically, see http://m19s28.vlinux.de/cgi-bin/pugs-smokeserv.pl?
19:39 lambdabot Title: Pugs Smoke Reports
19:39 buu PerlJam: I'll get back to you on that one.
19:40 PerlJam Hey!   I just realized something ... I'm not coding perl for a living anymore.  That means I can start using perl6 again without fear of screwing up my perl5 code.
19:41 buu Yay perl6!
19:41 PerlJam At least I don't think I'm as likely to screw up a non-perl language.
19:41 buu Speaking of, where should I look for sockets?
19:41 TimToady around your eyeballs?
19:41 buu =[
19:41 TimToady what do you want to do with them?
19:42 buu Connect to IRC =]
19:42 TimToady you may need to import a perl5:SocketMumble module
19:42 PerlJam buu: ack is your friend
19:42 buu You've finally implemented mumble over tcp?
19:43 TimToady nah, I only spec things that can't be implemented
19:43 PerlJam buu:  there's blib6/lib/Net/IRC.pm  :-)
19:43 buu Hot sauce.
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19:44 buu Pugs seems to take a little whilte to test =[
19:45 TimToady takes about 40 min to run all the smoke tests on my laptop
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20:04 buu GOOD LORD.
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20:08 buu Failed 41/671 test scripts, 93.89% okay. 193/16186 subtests failed, 98.81% okay. =[
20:11 rindolf buu: I get similar results on my Mandriva cooker machine.
20:11 allbery_b buu: normal
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20:15 buu allbery_b: Bummer.
20:15 TimToady no, not a bummer.  it means that culturally we aren't afraid to write failing tests.
20:16 buu So, now I've got pugs. How do I find documentation on themodules it comes with ?
20:16 allbery_b failing tests are our reminders to ourselves that perl6 is not yet ready for release.
20:17 TimToady most of the modules have pod embedded in them.
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20:17 mj41 hi, http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/sandbo​x/benchmark.php?test=all&amp;lang=parrot
20:17 mj41 Sender: Brent A. Fulgham - I've updated to 0.4.6, the most recent available in Debian's unstable branch.
20:17 lambdabot Title: Parrot PIR benchmarks | Debian : AMD&#8482; Sempron&#8482; The Sandbox, http://tinyurl.com/26bsfa
20:18 Coke allbery_b: (reminder) you needed a REMINDER? =-)
20:18 mj41 sorry, bad channel
20:18 Coke 0.4.6 is old; not sure if it would affect the results, though.
20:19 buu Er, what's up with $bot<run>() ?
20:19 wolverian I think it was coded back before we had methods.
20:20 wolverian er, or objects.
20:20 buu Oh good.
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22:08 __Ace__ I am wondering.. say I have this "bigger" project that needs to be implemented. Should this be done in C or C++?
22:09 __Ace__ (I am thinking that Perl which is rather big, is done in C)
22:09 __Ace__ but with C++ you may have some more libraries handy
22:10 __Ace__ or, do it in C, and still use the C++ lib...
22:10 nwc10 which language are you more comfortable with?
22:10 moritz __Ace__: it all depends on what you're doing...
22:10 nwc10 and how portable does it need to be?
22:10 moritz __Ace__: if it's fairly lowlevel, use C
22:10 moritz __Ace__: if it's a GUI toolkit: use C++
22:10 jrockway __Ace__: haskell :)
22:11 moritz and for the rest: perl ;)
22:11 __Ace__ Im better with C
22:11 __Ace__ and if it has to do with databases..
22:12 jrockway i can't help but think "#ifndef __Ace__" ;)
22:12 moritz well, obvisly __Ace__ _is_ defined ;)
22:13 __Ace__ :)
22:13 moritz __Ace__: just take a look if your db's c-bindings look cool or not...
22:13 __Ace__ hmm, looking to see if I can find some mysql API for C..
22:13 __Ace__ some lib that is..
22:13 moritz __Ace__: if yes, then C surely is a good choice
22:14 Patterner Use DBI :)
22:14 __Ace__ or
22:14 Patterner C only if you need speed.
22:14 __Ace__ I embedd perl with C :)
22:15 __Ace__ damn, its redicoulusly easy to embedd perl in C
22:15 __Ace__ its little harder with embedding modules there though :)
22:16 __Ace__ else if would be easy to create a single executable :)
22:17 __Ace__ moritz: no good gui toolkit made in C?
22:18 moritz __Ace__: there are (gtk), but gui toolkits are a thing that can be done _very_ neatly with object orientation
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22:20 Patterner C++ is the choice :)
22:24 __Ace__ well... C structs... ;)
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