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Digital |
So I was reading about perl6, and caught the nugget that one of the most functional implementations of perl6 right now is written in Haskell. |
| 01:43 |
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Digital |
Is this true? And if it is, do you think there is any chance I might find the person responsible, buy them a beer and spend the time they are drinking it heaping praise on their diseased genius? |
| 01:44 |
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revdiablo |
It's true |
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qmole |
heh yes |
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revdiablo |
Digital: You can blame/priase audreyt |
| 01:44 |
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revdiablo |
Priase, even |
| 01:44 |
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Digital |
Is there a good reason for this, or ... ? |
| 01:44 |
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revdiablo |
Praise? |
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qmole |
but if you did catch audreyt she would probably tell you 100s of people deserve praise |
| 01:45 |
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revdiablo |
It took me 3 tries to type it right, sheesh |
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Digital |
I thought Haskell was one of those teaching languages that was mathematically brilliant, elegant beyond words and completely inappropriate for getting any real work done in. |
| 01:45 |
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revdiablo |
Digital: The story goes, it started out at a project to learn Haskell by writing a toy language. Audrey chose perl 6 as the "toy language", and it blossomed from there |
| 01:46 |
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allbery_b |
haskell is quite practical once you wrap your head around it. |
| 01:46 |
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allbery_b |
but that wrapping takes some doing |
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Digital |
Can you compile haskell? |
| 01:46 |
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revdiablo |
Yep |
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allbery_b |
@where ghc |
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lambdabot |
http://haskell.org/ghc |
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allbery_b |
@version |
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lambdabot |
lambdabot 4p509, GHC 6.6 (OpenBSD i386) |
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lambdabot |
darcs get http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/lambdabot |
| 01:47 |
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Digital |
Interesting. |
| 01:48 |
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Digital |
Is it trolling to ask you people, who clearly know more about me than perl 6 (because I know only a little), what your opinion is of the idea that perhaps perl 6 is suffering from epic second-system effect? |
| 01:48 |
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qmole |
of course darcs is another example of 'real world' haskell :) |
| 01:48 |
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allbery_b |
haskell's actually quite nice for writing languages; the Reader monad encapsulates much of the hard work in managing variable scope, for example |
| 01:48 |
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revdiablo |
Digital: It could be trolling. That depends on what you're aiming for with the question. =) |
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allbery_b |
@quote TimToady second-system |
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lambdabot |
No quotes match. And you call yourself a Rocket Scientist! |
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allbery_b |
hm, thought someone saved that quote |
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revdiablo |
Digital: I don't think the idea is right, but I can see how it would seem like that |
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allbery_b |
@quote done.right |
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lambdabot |
No quotes match. That's something I cannot allow to happen. |
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allbery_b |
feh |
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Digital |
rev: Nothing, really, that's just my opinion and I wonder what people in the know think of it. |
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Digital |
From the outside it looks like perl 5 was pretty nice, and now perl 6 has been in development forever and we keep hearing about the jillion new features it will have. |
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allbery_b |
anyway, TimToady has been known to comment that perl6 is the second system effect done righht |
| 01:50 |
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revdiablo |
Digital: Well, it's a fair assessment |
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Digital |
and it makes me wonder what was so fundamentally broken with perl 5 that warranted a complete mulligan on the whole language rather than some evolutionary changes stretched out over time. |
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allbery_b |
actually p6 is getting firmed down at this point with an eye on releasing it |
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revdiablo |
Digital: Time will tell, I guess. |
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silug |
Dig: you should grab pugs and try it out. it's nice. |
| 01:51 |
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revdiablo |
Digital: Perl 5 has a long and ugly history. The language has a lot of baggage. It works fine, but all the edge cases have created lots of nooks and crannies for "evolutionary change" to fall and break its ankles. |
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revdiablo |
Keep in mind, I love Perl 5. But to ignore its problems is not realistic |
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Digital |
rev: it sounds like the fix to that is dropping the crap rather than adding a bunch more. ;) |
| 01:52 |
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revdiablo |
Digital: Yeah, a bunch of crap in different directions, though. Like I said, I think time will tell. Personally, I am optimistic about Perl 6 |
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allbery_b |
one thing perhaps not obvious from the current specs, although starting to become so finally, is that quite a lot of what's "added" will actually live in modules |
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allbery_b |
(and likely won't exist immediately) |
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Digital |
What would you say the number one rad feature of perl 6 is? |
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Digital |
@faq |
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lambdabot |
The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that. |
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jql |
does it have to work now, or just be proposed? :) |
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Patterner |
Strange Operators :) |
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Digital |
Hey, jql. Are you writing a perl6qt? |
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revdiablo |
Number one? Oh, I don't know. One thing I really like is the object system. And the type system seems nice. And the syntax cleanups. Oh, that's more than one. =) |
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jql |
I took a stab at it 3 years ago, but I recognized then that Parrot was flawed |
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jql |
perl6 still gives me much hope, though |
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jql |
after all, perl6 can already run PerlQt |
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jql |
well, pugs |
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Digital |
I suppose that's true. |
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silug |
last time i tried to build parrot, it wouldn't cooperate. i should try it again. |
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Digital |
The reason I was trying to get the bot to tell me where to find a FAQ was to find out if perl6 was going to be fully backwards-compatible. |
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revdiablo |
Not at the source level |
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Digital |
Er, what other level is there in perl? |
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silug |
it's not, but there are ways to get it to do perl5-ish things (like regular expressions) |
| 01:57 |
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allbery_b |
that's not entirely accurate |
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revdiablo |
Digital: Pugs can run perl 5 code by embedding the perl 5 runtime, for example |
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Digital |
I would hope the newest version of the Practical Extraction and Report Language would maintain full support for regular expressions. |
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revdiablo |
Digital: So the perl 6 syntax is not the same, but one can use perl 5 modules, etc |
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jql |
depends on your definition of full |
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revdiablo |
Perl 6 has a new syntax for regular expressions, too. They're called rules. |
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Digital |
I hope they still look like line noise, there's nothing I enjoy more than writing a long, inscrutable and hopelessly unmaintainable sequence of slashes and shifted symbol characters. |
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allbery_b |
?eval my $a = 5; { use 5; print "$a\n" } |
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evalbot_r15342 |
1.0 |
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jql |
lol |
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allbery_b |
I don't think that's embeddinga runtime, I think that's just switching parsers on the fly |
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revdiablo |
allbery_b: I thought it embeds perl5 runtime right now? |
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jql |
Digital: Perl6 does try to introduce bracket-reform in regular expressions. (?:) becomes [], and (?everything-else) and [] becomes <> |
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allbery_b |
just checked my last buildlog after getting lost in the makefiles... don't see the perl5 core being linked in |
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revdiablo |
http://pugs.blogs.com/pugs/200[…]ious_uses_of.html |
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lambdabot |
Title: Pugs: Various uses of embedded Perl 5. |
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allbery_b |
?eval 1 |
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evalbot_r15342 |
1 |
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tene |
?eval %h = (:a<x>, :b<y>, :c<z>); $v = 'omg'; %h<b> := $v; %h.perl.say; %h<b>.say |
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evalbot_r15342 |
OUTPUT[{("a" => "x"), ("b" => "y"), ("c" => "z")}â¤omgâ¤] Bool::True |
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tene |
?eval %h = (:a<x>, :b<y>, :c<z>); $v = 'omg'; %h<b> := $v; %h.yaml.say; %h<b>.say |
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evalbot_r15342 |
OUTPUT[--- â¤? aâ¤: xâ¤â¤? bâ¤: yâ¤â¤? câ¤: zâ¤â¤â¤omgâ¤] Bool::True |
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tene |
.perl and .yaml aren't smart about rebinding elements of hashes. |
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allbery_b |
hm. looks like a candidate for a new test, if it isn't already |
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allbery_b |
actually I find myself wondering what that should do |
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allbery_b |
(:= vs. = on a hash element that is) |
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tene |
allbery_b: t/operators/binding/hashes.t |
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allbery_b |
ah, yeh, I get it |
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* allbery_b |
will have to see what that test looks like in his running smoke |
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tene |
the issue isn't with the binding, though, it's with .perl and .yaml |
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allbery_b |
is it? or is it with %hash? that's what I want to see |
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tene |
In my test case there, %h<b> has the right data, as confirmed by t/operators/binding/hashes.t, but .perl and .yaml on it show the value before the rebinding |
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allbery_b |
?eval my %h = (:a<x>, :b<y>, :c<z>); my $v = 'foo'; $h<b> = $v; %h.values.say |
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evalbot_r15342 |
OUTPUT[xyzâ¤] Bool::True |
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allbery_b |
ding! |
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allbery_b |
oops |
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allbery_b |
?eval my %h = (:a<x>, :b<y>, :c<z>); my $v = 'foo'; $h<b> := $v; %h.values.say |
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evalbot_r15342 |
OUTPUT[xyzâ¤] Bool::True |
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allbery_b |
hm, actually the first one suggests oddness too |
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tene |
Huh. |
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allbery_b |
something's generally wrong with hashes accessed as a whole like that |
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allbery_b |
?eval %h = (:a<x>, :b<y>, :c<z>); $v = 'omg'; %h<b> = $v; %h.perl.say; %h<b>.say |
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evalbot_r15342 |
OUTPUT[{("a" => "x"), ("b" => "omg"), ("c" => "z")}â¤omgâ¤] Bool::True |
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allbery_b |
hm, it gets that right, though |
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allbery_b |
peculiar |
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allbery_b |
so, maybe two different bugs there :) |
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meppl |
good night |
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r15343 | kudra++ | Summary complete |
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r15344 | kudra++ | Placeholder |
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devbot6 |
planet6: Audrey Tang: Weekly Perl 6 mailing list summary for 4-10 February, 2007 <http://pugs.blogs.com/pugs/200[…]y_perl_6_m_2.html> |
| 10:46 |
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tene |
Should eval('slightly malformed yaml',:lang<yaml>); be able to cause pugs to die? |
| 10:48 |
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tene |
?eval eval("- *a\n a: b\n- *a\n b: c\n- \n c:&a\n",:lang<yaml>) |
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evalbot_r15344 |
pugs: user error (moose!)⤠|
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tene: I guess it should not, just set $! |
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moritz |
tene: you should commit it as a test case |
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tene |
moritz: as I recall, tests that kill the interpreter aren't good. |
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moritz |
?eval eval(eval("- *a\n a: b\n- *a\n b: c\n- \n c:&a\n",:lang<yaml>)) |
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evalbot_r15344 |
pugs: user error (moose!)⤠|
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tene |
need to quote the outer eval |
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moritz |
right |
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moritz |
?eval eval('eval("- *a\n a: b\n- *a\n b: c\n- \n c:&a\n",:lang<yaml>)') |
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evalbot_r15344 |
pugs: user error (moose!)⤠|
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moritz |
tene: read t/README for what to do with "hard parsefail" |
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tene |
Which folder should I put that test in? |
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moritz |
currently I don't see a good one, so just use xx-uncategorized |
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gaal |
that's not a very mooseful error :( |
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gaal |
you can put it in t/unspecced also; i think there's an eval_yaml test there |
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tene |
should I add it to eval_yaml.t ? |
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moritz |
I'd say yes ;) |
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tene |
Hmm. I guess I can't commit anymore. |
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moritz |
tene: I'll try to give a commit bit |
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moritz |
tene: just query me your email address |
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r15345 | moritz++ | disabled 10smoke patch in debian/rules to prevent build failures |
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r15346 | kudra++ | Yet another summary |
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r15347 | rodi++ | fixed use_ok |
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r15348 | rodi++ | fixed use_ok |
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r15349 | rodi++ | typo fix |
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r15350 | kudra++ | Marked as hidden all threads covered in previous weeks |
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devbot6 |
planet6: Audrey Tang: Weekly Perl 6 mailing list summary for 11-17 February, 2007 <http://pugs.blogs.com/pugs/200[…]y_perl_6_m_3.html> |
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dev: Ticket #8 (task updated): Fix old repository (svn.openfoundry.org) references. <http://dev.pugscode.org/ticket/8#comment:1> |
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r15351 | diakopter++ | closes ticket 8. http://dev.pugscode.org/ticket/8 |
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r15351 | diakopter++ | Fix old repository (svn.openfoundry.org) references. |
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r15351 | diakopter++ | Removed from TASKS for redundancy. |
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devbot6 |
dev: Ticket #8 (task closed): Fix old repository (svn.openfoundry.org) references. <http://dev.pugscode.org/ticket/8#comment:2> |
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r15351 | diakopter++ | Sorry if some generated files are updated wrongly. |
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Title: #8 (Fix old repository (svn.openfoundry.org) references.) - Pugs - Trac |
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dev: Ticket #11 (task updated): Remove all unconditional SKIP/TODO flags from t/. <http://dev.pugscode.org/ticket/11#comment:1> |
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dev: Ticket #12 (task updated): Tests directory scaling problem. <http://dev.pugscode.org/ticket/12#comment:1> |
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offby1 |
how does about a pugs built with PUGS_EMBED="parrot" differ from one built without that? |
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offby1 |
i.e., what does it do with parrot? |
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offby1 |
Does it actually generate parrot byte code, and have parrot run that code, instead of interpreting the code itself? |
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offby1: you can choose the backend with a commmand line option... |
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offby1 |
do tell |
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moritz |
offby1: and it defaults to intepreting it |
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moritz |
offby1: and if you embed parrot, you can choose parrot |
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offby1 |
moritz: so if I say something like "./pugs -Bparrot my-code.p6", it'll actually compile to parrot bytecode, then have parrot run the result, instead of interpreting it itself?! |
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offby1 |
That'd be great, because presumably it'd be a ton faster. |
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moritz |
I think so, yes |
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offby1 |
this is worth a try! |
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* offby1 |
tries |
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offby1: but it's not so fully implemented as the haskell bakcend |
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offby1 |
hmm, strange error message: I deliberately used a meaningless word after the -B, and expected an error along the lines of "pugs cannot find the back end named 'frobotzle', but instead I see this: |
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/usr/local/src/langs/pugs/pugs -Bfrobotzle anagrams.p6 |
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pugs: user error (*** user error (*** No compatible subroutine found: "&truncate" |
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at ./bag.pm line 41, column 12-31) |
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offby1 |
at anagrams.p6 line 1, column 1) |
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offby1 |
not encouraging |
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offby1 |
is this one of those semi-abandoned features that isn't really meant to be used? |
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moritz |
I guess so ;) |
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offby1 |
pity |
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offby1 |
oh well |
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moritz |
well, if perl6 is meant to be implemented in Perl 6, pugs with haskell backend is enough to bootstrap it |
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offby1 |
sure |
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moritz |
ans perl6 will use parrot as its main backend |
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offby1 |
sure |
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offby1 |
in theory, one would only need run pugs once, to run the perl6-to-parrot compiler. |
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moritz |
right |
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offby1 |
then one waves goodbye to pugs, and continues development by running that compiler on parrot |
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offby1 |
so _if_ pugs is mostly meant as a way to do that bootstrap step, I can see that it wouldn't need to emit parrot code. But something made me think it did anyway. |
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moritz |
well, I guess we wouldn't abandon pugs fully, since it will be more complete than perl6 when we bootstrap perl6 |
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offby1 |
sure, but I said "in theory". |
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offby1 |
Which assumes that is complete. |
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moritz |
offby1: its optimised for fun, and different backends are fun |
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moritz |
the js backend is nice as well ;) |
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offby1 |
how would I know if the parrot backend were working? I fear I cannot count on the lack of an obvious error message. |
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moritz |
you can run the testsuite with parrot as a backend |
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offby1 |
hmm |
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offby1 |
"make test-pir"? |
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moritz |
or make smoke-pir |
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offby1 |
odd, it's rebuilding pugs. |
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moritz |
did you build it with parrot backend in first place? |
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offby1 |
no. |
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moritz |
the build system is a bit broken anyway... |
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offby1 |
as area all build systems. |
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offby1 |
s/area/are/ |
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moritz |
when you type 'make' twice in a row, it still compiles some stuff at the second run |
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offby1 |
sure. |
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offby1 |
as do many build systems :-) |
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offby1 |
for some reason writing correct Makefiles is really hard. |
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moritz |
and what is more disturbing: if you run 'make install' after make, it still compiles stuff - assuming you are root it pollutes your source tree with uid0-files |
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offby1 |
well, I never do "make install", for that sort of reason. |
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offby1 |
odd, it needs a perl5 module that I don't have: Module/Install/Admin.pm |
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moritz |
I use dpkg-buildpackage ;) |
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offby1 |
I use GNU "stow" |
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offby1 |
this is odd |
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offby1 |
/usr/bin/perl -Iinc "-MExtUtils::MY" -e "MY->fixin(shift)" /usr/local/src/langs/pugs/blib/script/pugs |
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offby1 |
cd perl5/Data-Capture && perl Makefile.PL && make |
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offby1 |
Can't open for input: |
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offby1 |
No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Module/Install/Admin.pm line 135. |
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offby1 |
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Makefile.PL line 3. |
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offby1 |
I dunno what that means. |
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moritz |
did your read README and INSTALL and install all depencies? |
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offby1 |
I read README and INSTALL a long time ago. |
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offby1 |
I installed enough dependencies for pugs to work standalone. |
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offby1 |
but this is the first time I've tried "make test-pir". |
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offby1 |
I wonder if I need to rebuild pugs with PUGS_EMBED="parrot". Docs aren't clear. |
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moritz |
I'm just now running 'make smoke-pir', and I'm in the smoke phase... |
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moritz |
and I did'nt rebuild with PUGS_EMBED="parrot" |
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offby1 |
:-( |
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offby1 |
same problem. |
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moritz |
I still think it's a missing perl5 modul, but I'm not sure |
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offby1 |
Can you paste the output that starts around line 30 -- mine looks like this -- |
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offby1 |
Configuring Pugs-6.2.13... |
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offby1 |
configure: Dependency pugs-fps-any: using pugs-fps-0.7 ... |
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offby1 |
perhaps that'll illuminate something |
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moritz |
perhaps, but I'm the wrong person to ask :( |
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offby1 |
well, maybe I'll see something obvious. |
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moritz |
I'm happy that pugs builds for me ;) |
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moritz |
offby1: ok, go on then |
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moritz |
but don't post it here ;)) |
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offby1 |
what do you mean "go onm then"? I want _you_ to paste _your_ output. |
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offby1 |
so _I_ can look at it. |
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moritz |
how do you think that's going to help..? |
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offby1 |
maybe I'll see a difference between the stuff that your "Configure" found, and mine; and I'll slap my forehead and say "Of course; I need the Foomatic module". |
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offby1 |
my forehead has a callous on it from similar slaps in the past. |
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moritz |
ok |
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offby1 |
.oO("callus"?) |
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offby1 |
thanks |
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moritz |
wait a sec, I'll restart make |
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moritz |
and perhaps prepend a 'make clean' |
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offby1 |
gosh, thanks |
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offby1 |
that's above and beyond |
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offby1 |
pugs takes an awful long time to build, if I recall correctly. |
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moritz |
I can use 'make soon' ;) |
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offby1 |
huh |
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moritz |
and my laptop's only other job is to crack some password files - nothing important ;) |
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glances around nervously. |
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* offby1 |
subtly points to moritz in a way that only the FBI agent will notice |
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moritz |
offby1: it's the universities password list ;) |
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moritz |
offby1: and certainly not _your_ univeristy... |
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moritz |
I told the admins it's a security hole, but they won't listen without proof-of-concept ;) |
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offby1 |
now, how do you know what U I attend? |
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moritz |
offby1: are you studying phyics in Würzburg, Germany? |
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moritz |
offby1: if not, I'm right ;) |
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moritz |
it's called "educated guessing" |
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moritz |
and I probably knew you if you did |
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allbery_b |
moritz: you should still be rather careful about that, thye could still choose to punish you for unauthorized access or something instead of doing something about it |
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moritz |
allbery_b: you're totally right - but I know the admins, and they are quite ok... I just won't modify any files, so that it's no "sabotage" |
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moritz |
and to be hones, blowfish passwords are a pain to crack ;) |
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offby1 |
Why, I've lived in Würzburg for years! |
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glances around nervously. |
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* offby1 |
quickly googles |
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moritz |
offby1: what are you googling for? |
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Khisanth |
moritz: building pugs is only around 15minutes, it's the testing that takes a very long time |
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moritz |
Khisanth: it depends on how much RAM you have available... if your maschine starts swapping, it takes much longer :( |
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Khisanth |
oh well yes then 5 hours |
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offby1 |
moritz: Würzburg, so I can pretend I've lived there for years |
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allbery_b |
heheh |
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notes that building pugs takes noticeably longer than 15 minutes, but it did improve considerably when he maxed the AM on his g4 macmini :) |
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allbery_b |
*RAM |
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moritz |
offby1: http://moritz.faui2k3.org/tmp/pugs-smoke-pir <-- I'm currently uploading the buildlog, it will take some time |
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offby1 |
adding more RAM to my Mac Mini was the best thing I ever did for it. |
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offby1 |
moritz: thanks |
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moritz |
offby1: np |
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allbery_b |
maybe someday I'll get the intel version, but for now it's good enough for what I do with it |
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moritz |
uploaded |
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moritz |
PPC is way cooler than i386 if you ask me ;) |
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offby1 |
moritz: hmph, no relevant-looking difference between yours and mine :-( |
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offby1 |
guess it's time for a mailing-list question |
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allbery_b |
by rights I ought to build/smoke pugs twice: once for ghc6.6, once with the built/smoked (if it succeeded) ghc6.7 :) |
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allbery_b |
hrm, except that I think pugs requires -fvia-C which is currently b0rked |
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fglock |
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svnbot6 |
r15352 | diakopter++ | correcting uncommenting mistake. |
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phiker |
hi |
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phiker |
what happened to #cpan6? |
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diakopter |
phiker: no one sent anything to the mailing lists after September 2006? |
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phiker |
diakopter, ok, so the project is dead? |
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searches for a death certificate |
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phiker |
are there plans to work on it again? |
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diakopter |
my guess is that something .... less ambitious .... will come about. |
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phiker |
you mean with only perl support or something like that? |
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diakopter |
we'll see. do you have resources you're considering committing/contributing or something? |
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phiker |
no, I was just interested in Perl6 and thought about the future of CPAN, then I found CPAN6 |
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phiker |
as I can see, many documents describing the design have been commited |
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phiker |
but not details about how to actually implement it |
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diakopter |
from what I can tell, Perl 6 implementations will be able to use CPAN as it is |
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phiker |
so nothing will change? |
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phiker |
ok |
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diakopter |
phiker: do you have ideas to improve/extend the CPAN? |
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phiker |
diakopter, uhm |
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phiker |
I´ll think about it :) |
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diakopter, syntax highlighting for POD documentation |
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diakopter, as on perldoc.perl.org |
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this is missing a closing } |
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ls |
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Caelum |
is there a good tutorial for pugs? |
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revdiablo |
Tutorial for what? |
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revdiablo |
The language? The internals? Something else? |
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Caelum |
the language |
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figures that's a good place to start |
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moritz |
Caelum: do you know perl5? |
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moritz |
Caelum: if yes, you could read through http://www.programmersheaven.com/2/Perl6-FAQ |
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lambdabot |
Title: Perl6-FAQ at Programmers Heaven |
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revdiablo |
http://perlcabal.org/syn/Differences.html |
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lambdabot |
Title: Perl6::Perl5::Differences |
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revdiablo |
That's good if you know perl 5, too |
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does, thank you! |
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putter |
fglock: hi :) |
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svnbot6 |
r15353 | tene++ | Parsing some weird yaml with eval can make pugs die badly. |
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moritz |
tene++ I see you commit bit now works ;) |
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tene |
moritz: I forgot that the pugs checkout I have on this system was still from openfoundry |
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tene |
i haven't used this box in quite a while, but my laptop died last week. |
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moritz |
tene: that explains it ;) |
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