Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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02:22 daxim I can't install Test::TAP::HTMLMatrix as part of Task::Smoke because it fails.  it's the same failure as recorded at http://cpantesters.perl.org/show/Test-TA​P-HTMLMatrix.html#Test-TAP-HTMLMatrix-0.05
02:22 lambdabot Title: CPAN Testers: Reports for Test-TAP-HTMLMatrix, http://tinyurl.com/ywph6n
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03:16 audreyt nothingmuch: thoughts re http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.​cpan.testers/2007/02/msg424381.html ?
03:16 lambdabot Title: FAIL Test-TAP-HTMLMatrix-0.05 sun4-solaris-thread-multi 2.9 - nntp.perl.org, http://tinyurl.com/2fqrek
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03:32 nothingmuch audreyt old Test::TAP::Model
03:32 nothingmuch i think
03:32 nothingmuch hmm... no
03:33 nothingmuch i'll look into it tomorrow
03:33 nothingmuch the error is what you used to get when it was not using the object but a hash
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03:35 audreyt strange thing is only half of cpan testers get it
03:35 audreyt thanks for looktomorrow
03:36 nothingmuch how's metaland coming along?
03:37 audreyt very well
03:38 audreyt continued filling in Pugs.Meta.* is the current task
03:38 audreyt probably going to tackle PerlSV (that's Perl 5 objects)
03:39 audreyt because one of the highlight of MO is that it can handle heterogenous layout/dispatch systems
03:39 audreyt and what's better a "foreign object system" to test with than perl5's :)
03:39 nothingmuch =)
03:39 audreyt so a new responder interface construction bridge
03:39 audreyt should do it
03:39 audreyt nothingmuch++ # a joy to use
03:39 audreyt I mean
03:39 * nothingmuch 's grand plan seems to be proceeding as anticipated
03:40 audreyt nothingmuch++ # MO is a joy to use
03:40 nothingmuch i'm, uh... flatterred ;-)
03:40 * audreyt grins
03:40 nothingmuch anymoose, /me is done babysitting and stevan must now drive /me home (hotel)
03:40 audreyt have moose
03:41 nothingmuch i'll moose my best
03:41 audreyt bon moose!
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03:41 nothingmuch you moose!
03:41 nothingmuch oh by the moose, have you moosed my mooses from new moose city?
03:41 nothingmuch i think they came out pretty moose
03:41 nothingmuch http://gallery.woobling.org/ny_2007
03:41 lambdabot Title: NY 2007
03:42 nothingmuch anymoose, faremoose
03:42 offby1 buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo
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03:43 * audreyt tries to not mention badgers
03:47 Patterner snakes?
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04:31 ingy nothingmuch: where are you?
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05:19 nothingmuch ingy: Old Saybrook, CT
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05:55 xinming_ ?eval my $t = localtime; $t.perl;
05:55 evalbot_r15410 "\\undef"
05:55 nothingmuch ?eval localtime
05:55 xinming_ ?eval my $myl = &localtime; my $t = $myl(); $t.perl;
05:55 evalbot_r15410 undef
05:55 evalbot_r15410 "\\Time::Local.new((\"day\" => 3), (\"hour\" => 6), (\"is_dst\" => Bool::False), (\"min\" => 55), (\"month\" => 3), (\"picosec\" => 303242000000), (\"sec\" => 45), (\"tz\" => 3600), (\"tzname\" => \"CET\"), (\"wday\" => 7), (\"yday\" => 61), (\"year\" => 2007))"
05:55 xinming_ You osee?
05:55 xinming_ you see?
05:56 xinming_ It seems, that multi is broken in some case. :-)
05:56 nothingmuch ouch
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06:46 Teratogen is there a standard file extension for parrot code
06:46 Teratogen ?
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06:50 Teratogen aj, .pbc
06:50 Teratogen @
06:50 Teratogen @
06:50 Teratogen !
06:50 Teratogen =D
06:59 Teratogen gah, can't type straight
06:59 Teratogen what is .cola?
07:00 Patterner a language
07:01 Patterner well, it's in $PARROT/languages/cola, so I assume it is one :)
07:01 Teratogen different than Perl 6, but compiles to parrot?
07:01 Teratogen ok
07:01 nothingmuch it's a demo language
07:01 nothingmuch with a syntax like C
07:02 Teratogen ah
07:02 Patterner read the README :)
07:03 Teratogen reading it
07:03 nothingmuch READMEs are very postmodern with a name like that... Nobody has patience for postmodernism
07:04 * Patterner sings "I am the very model of a Modern Pragmatic Programmer..."
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07:51 Teratogen [slashsnot.org::leontopod::bash] ~ (Fri Mar 02 23:42:45)
07:51 Teratogen => tcc
07:51 Teratogen bash: tcc: command not found
07:51 Teratogen oops
07:55 beppu http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/tcc/
07:55 lambdabot Title: TCC : Tiny C Compiler
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08:07 nothingmuch /w 21
08:07 nothingmuch /w 21
08:07 nothingmuch damnit
08:15 tene hehe
08:24 gaal so, what should be further transcribed now into Pugs.Meta?
08:25 gaal and, is import Pugs.Prim ok from Pugs.Meta?
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08:26 gaal I don't want to thrash e.g. with numerical prims
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08:48 audreyt gaal: import Pugs.Prim is fine
08:48 audreyt the idea is that op* should be gone
08:49 audreyt at least for methods like .sqrt
08:51 clkao audreyt: yo
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08:54 gaal audreyt: you mean opFloating etc.?
08:54 gaal could you checkin a basic P.M.Num with one example -- say sqrt -- and I'll add some more stuff?
08:56 gaal (how) do we avoid doing a lot of patmatching against NDouble and NFloat?
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10:19 gaal http://tal.forum2.org/static/cv/PhD.pdf
10:20 gaal # runtime aspect augmentation
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13:46 svnbot6 r15411 | audreyt++ | * Remove the obsolete (and poetry-challenged) Pugs.MOP.
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13:47 svnbot6 r15412 | audreyt++ | * Refactor Feed and Capture out to Pugs.Val.Capture
13:50 svnbot6 r15413 | audreyt++ | * MO: Instead of punning (data AnyFoo = AnyFoo x), use the
13:50 svnbot6 r15413 | audreyt++ |   recommended Haskell style with strictness turned on by
13:50 svnbot6 r15413 | audreyt++ |   default (data AnyFoo = MkFoo !x).
13:50 svnbot6 r15414 | audreyt++ | * MO.Base: Switch from a Perl5-esque [Invocant m] calling
13:50 svnbot6 r15414 | audreyt++ |   convention to a full-fledged (Capt m) calling convention.
13:53 svnbot6 r15415 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Val.Base: Make a simple "Call" type synonym that
13:53 svnbot6 r15415 | audreyt++ |   stands for MethodInvocation.
13:53 svnbot6 r15416 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Meta.Perl5: Beginning of routing-Perl5-SV-into-MO-land.
13:55 gaal audreyt++ audreyt++ audreyt++
13:55 svnbot6 r15417 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.AST: Expose Pugs.Meta.* instances by default
13:55 svnbot6 r15417 | audreyt++ |   for oldland users.
13:55 svnbot6 r15418 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Class: Stub implementation of WHAT; also make mkObj a
13:55 svnbot6 r15418 | audreyt++ |   Boxable class method so we can make class-less objects,
13:55 svnbot6 r15418 | audreyt++ |   or objects whose .HOW is not backed by instances of the
13:55 svnbot6 r15418 | audreyt++ |   Perl6 ^Class.  
13:58 svnbot6 r15419 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Internals.ID: Remove the as-of-yet-unused IsString
13:58 svnbot6 r15419 | audreyt++ |   instance now -- Punt until GHC 6.8.
13:58 svnbot6 r15420 | audreyt++ | * Pugs.Eval: Chase Feed/Capture changes.  (We switched
13:58 svnbot6 r15420 | audreyt++ |   from a lazy [Val] into a parallel-friendly strict [:Val:].)
13:59 svnbot6 r15421 | audreyt++ | err, typo.
13:59 svnbot6 r15422 | audreyt++ | * To promote any boxable value to newland Val, use "mkVal"
13:59 svnbot6 r15422 | audreyt++ |   now instead of the old (and ambiguous) "val".
14:01 audreyt Perl5SV bridge almost there (~2hr more)
14:01 audreyt unfortunately my HP is running very low...
14:02 audreyt need to take a ^C and bbl for more commits+blogposts
14:02 audreyt bbl :) &
14:02 * gaal hands audreyt a potion of Moose
14:02 * audreyt feels much better! --More--
14:03 gaal (I wonder what -parr does in r15414? there's no arrow code in that patch that I could see...)
14:04 audreyt !:
14:04 devbot6 audreyt: Error: ":" is not a valid command.
14:04 audreyt probably doesn't need -fparr
14:04 audreyt but then, doesn't hurt :)
14:05 gaal there's also an import og GHC.PArr but what... oh
14:05 gaal succinct magic :)
14:05 audreyt (!: 0)
14:05 audreyt :D
14:05 audreyt PArr is like Seq except it's fast and compact and extra-sugary
14:05 audreyt it can even be used as pattern
14:05 audreyt case x of
14:05 audreyt  [::] -> ...
14:05 audreyt    [:i:] -> ...
14:05 audreyt etc
14:06 gaal oh, no relation to Arrows?
14:06 audreyt nope. Parallel Arrays
14:06 audreyt or rather, Parallelizable Arrays
14:06 gaal (the docs I was looking at don't have that module)
14:06 gaal ah ok ok
14:06 audreyt need to look at source
14:06 audreyt GHC/PArr.hs
14:06 audreyt reason is that haddock dies on it
14:06 audreyt ;)
14:06 gaal hehe
14:08 svnbot6 r15423 | audreyt++ | * util/munge_haddock.pl: Munge parallel array notation
14:08 svnbot6 r15423 | audreyt++ |   [:...:] to list notation [...] for "make haddock"
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14:10 lichtkind audreyt really glad your back hope your glad too that im back to write man pages :) currently an article about perl6 but after that
14:10 gaal hmm if we flip (++) on mkBoxPureClass, we can get static overrides
14:10 lichtkind audreyt some things you wish to be recognized about perl6?
14:10 lichtkind or pugs
14:11 gaal unless actually we get them now because the scan is linear on the list?
14:13 audreyt it gets turned into a map
14:13 gaal so methods ++ [defaults] is not as good as [defaults] ++ methods
14:13 audreyt fromList is left-biased no?
14:13 gaal assuming fromList overrides like that?
14:14 gaal looking...
14:14 audreyt oh wait
14:14 audreyt it's right biased
14:14 audreyt so yeah. flip it
14:14 audreyt lichtkind: hm, all kinds of things :)
14:14 audreyt I like http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2007/03​/01/perl-6-parameter-passing.html
14:14 lambdabot Title: perl.com: The Beauty of Perl 6 Parameter Passing, http://tinyurl.com/2x2opj
14:16 audreyt some more things along that line will be great
14:16 gaal flup.
14:16 audreyt gaal++
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14:18 svnbot6 r15424 | gaal++ | * flip order in defaults and user-defined methods, to allow static
14:18 svnbot6 r15424 | gaal++ |   overriding of WHICH etc.
14:18 pasteling "evalbot_r15411" at 194.145.200.126 pasted "Pugs build failure" (457 lines, 26.1K) at http://sial.org/pbot/23271
14:18 moritz hm, one of audreyt's commits requires a "make clean" or "make realclean"
14:19 moritz at least for me
14:19 gaal probably the one that changed the cabal file
14:19 moritz ?eval 1
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14:19 gaal in fact probably it requires just a Makefile regen, but if you do that you may as well clean
14:19 evalbot_r15418 1
14:20 moritz ok, so a later version compiled
14:20 gaal I'm lovin' 'make ghci'
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14:20 moritz gaal: what does it do?
14:21 gaal do you know ghci?
14:21 gaal it's an interactive haskell shell
14:21 moritz a bit, yes
14:21 moritz though I don't really know haskell too well ;)
14:21 gaal so the make ghci target builds pugs as just another library you can see from ghci
14:22 lichtkind audreyt nice but im writing for a different nonenglish perl magazin
14:22 xerox gaal: and import starred, for example?
14:22 moritz Gothmog_: ok ;)
14:22 moritz sorry for hilightspamming, I meant gaal ;)
14:22 gaal this has several benefits, the quickest to see being very fast rebuilds
14:23 gaal xerox: moose. also, starred?
14:23 xerox Yeah, ghci can import a module in different ways.
14:23 devbot6 planet6: Audrey Tang: A beautiful calling convention. <http://pugs.blogs.com/pugs/2​007/03/a_beautiful_cal.html>
14:26 gaal xerox: I meant, what does starred import mean?
14:26 gaal brb
14:27 xerox gaal: it is described in the user guide. If it's starred your environment is the module's ones own. If not, it works like you have just imported the module.
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14:32 gaal oh. I guess you can do that too then! :) you can do everything ghci can, for example :t functions (some have pretty strange types!) or, heh heh, use GOA to :pl expressions. (xerox++ :-)
14:32 gaal and also, of course, ghci now has a debugger!
14:32 gaal sadly not in ghc 6.6 though
14:36 audreyt @tell fglock  t/regex/from_perl6_rules/capture.t now loops; t/regex/from_perl6_rules/exhaustive.t too; however there's 4 unexpcted successes
14:36 lambdabot Consider it noted.
14:56 lichtkind audreyt but thanks for showing the article i just added my comment
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15:39 svnbot6 r15425 | audreyt++ | * Massive Haddoc-compatibility fix to make all modules
15:39 svnbot6 r15425 | audreyt++ |   haddockable.
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16:00 svnbot6 r15426 | kudra++ | Placeholder
16:00 svnbot6 r15427 | kudra++ | Ready to summarize
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18:30 sidnelson hi
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18:34 moritz hi sidnelson ;)
18:34 sidnelson hi moritz
18:35 sidnelson moritz: can u help me
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18:47 moritz silug: it depends ;)
18:47 moritz damned tab completion
18:47 moritz silug: sorry for hilight-spamming ;)
18:53 rindolf Hi all.
18:55 moritz hi rindolf
18:56 rindolf moritz: what's up?
18:56 moritz rindolf: pugs is running 122 minutes on a smoke test...
18:57 rindolf moritz: I see. :-(
18:57 moritz rindolf: perhaps an endless loop
18:57 rindolf moritz: perhaps.
18:57 rindolf moritz: is it normal? Or does it usually take less time?
18:57 moritz did anybody else make a smoke since r15425
18:58 moritz rindolf: this time I did a "make soon", so it is slower than usually
18:58 moritz rindolf: but it should not be _that_ slow
18:59 gaal make soon is very slow.
18:59 gaal that is, the pugs it produces is.
19:00 moritz gaal: so slow that pugs needs more than 2 hours for a single test file?
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19:00 gaal if you have ghc6.6 and enough memory, there's no reason to use it really
19:00 gaal no, that must be looping.
19:00 gaal which file?
19:00 moritz gaal: I don't know
19:00 moritz and now I interrupted it :(
19:01 gaal scrollbuffer?
19:01 moritz gaal: I have 0.5GB, that's litte enough to drive "make" to swap :(
19:01 gaal yeah :(
19:02 * allbery_b plans to update and smoke later tonight, fwiw
19:02 allbery_b but myt last smoke is from 15376
19:02 moritz gaal: scrollbuffer is not long enough :(, but even that wouldn't help that much since only failing tests produce a output
19:03 gaal moritz: how are you running tests?
19:03 moritz gaal: with "make smoke" from the pugs root dir
19:03 gaal fwiw "make smoke" prints the test file before running it...
19:04 moritz I never saw that
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19:05 allbery_b the name of it, not the contents
19:06 gaal yep
19:08 moritz I never noticed that... I'll confirm it when "make" finishes ;)
19:27 moritz ok, you're right ;)
19:28 gaal moritz: make smoke's jsut finished ext/ and entered t/sanity here...
19:29 gaal but I'm a little ill so I'll leave it to run for the night.
19:29 gaal see y'all tomorrow...
19:30 moritz gaal: 'night ;)
19:30 rindolf moritz: I think I'll svn up and make smoke pugs now.
19:30 rindolf Just to help the revolution.
19:30 moritz ;)
19:31 moritz rindolf++ ;)
19:31 moritz rindolf: btw how is your perl dialect coming along?
19:31 moritz rindolf: is it implemented?
19:31 rindolf moritz: nah.
19:32 rindolf moritz: there's a spec at http://www.shlomifish.org/rindolf/ , but that's it.
19:32 lambdabot Title: Rindolf Specification
19:32 rindolf moritz: I realised I wasn't particularly bothered by the things I proposed to actually implement them.
19:32 moritz rindolf: yeah, I skimmed over the first bit
19:33 moritz did you know the Moose modules when you wrote the specs?
19:33 rindolf moritz: I started working on it way before the Moose modules.
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19:42 moritz smoke currently works on t/builtins/strings/uc.t
19:43 moritz while r15399 only needs a few seconds
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19:48 moritz weird, judging from its output the t/builtins/strings/uc.t has finished a few minutes ago, but no new test name is printed
19:49 rindolf moritz: still compiling.
19:49 moritz ok, now it continues - still very weird
19:54 rindolf moritz: finished compilation. Now running make smoke.
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19:58 TimToady my make smoke loops on two of the regex tests
19:58 moritz the "Positional backref" in regex/from_perl6_rules/capture.t
19:58 offby1 ooh smoke loops: are those like smoke rings?
19:59 TimToady audreyt noticed it last night too
20:00 TimToady and left a message for fglock regarding it
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21:09 rindolf My Pugs "make smoke" hangs after 4 wallclock secs ( 0.00 usr  0.00 sys +  2.99 cusr  0.12 csys =  3.11 CPU)
21:09 rindolf t/regex/from_perl6_rules/capture.t
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21:21 Limbic_Region rindolf - my pugs hangs during make smoke too but not sure on which test
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22:25 sidnelson i try to install a module perl but i have this erro : "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lrrd". i dont know what package is missing
22:26 allbery_b perl5?  try #perl
22:26 * moritz is currently admiring the lunar eclipse ;)
22:26 sidnelson yes
22:27 sidnelson opss
22:27 moritz sidnelson: you'll need to install the 'rrdtool's
22:27 sidnelson i have
22:28 sidnelson i install the by debian packages
22:28 moritz sidnelson: librrd0 and librrd0-dev?
22:28 sidnelson and i try to compile the module perl RRDs
22:28 sidnelson i will search
22:29 moritz why don't you try librrds-perl?
22:30 sidnelson ok
22:31 sidnelson works fine
22:31 sidnelson i dont knew that have a librrds-perl debian package
22:31 sidnelson thank moritz
22:32 moritz sidnelson: np
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22:59 moritz kann man denn Sudoku-Raffeln während der MoFi?
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23:33 PerlJam Anyone alive?
23:33 tene Yep.
23:33 allbery_b <checks pulse> nope
23:33 PerlJam I started writing an article on perl 6 and I need some feedback.
23:34 PerlJam any takers?
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23:35 tene Sure.
23:36 PerlJam email?
23:37 tene [email@hidden.address]
23:38 PerlJam sent
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23:41 moritz [email@hidden.address] as well ;)
23:43 PerlJam moritz: on its way.
23:44 PerlJam unfortunately, I now have to go deal with crying kids.  But if you have any comments, just email them thanks.
23:44 * PerlJam &
23:45 moritz PerlJam: ok, I'm reading...
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