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00:08 * moritz has reached his recursion limit as well, trying to recover by getting some sleep
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06:36 TimToady ~.
06:38 tene ?eval ~.
06:38 evalbot_r15770 Error: ␤Unexpected end of input␤expecting ".", "\187", ">>", "=", operator name, qualified identifier, variable name, "...", "--", "++", "i", array subscript, hash subscript or code subscript
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07:28 gaal gnuvince:
07:28 gaal reverse (show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4))
07:28 gaal > reverse (show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4))
07:28 lambdabot "42"
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07:55 Kattana I read today there are "10^23 different operators" can anyone confirm?
07:55 tene Kattana: that would be including the various metaoperators.
07:56 tene ?eval (1..3) X~X (2..4)
07:56 evalbot_r15770 Error: No such subroutine: &X
07:57 Kattana I see, I see.
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09:19 gaal audreyt: I'm trying to reassemble my memory about why we dropped Data derivations in AST/Val types. Could it be because of circularity problems and the 6.4 limitation of instances in hs-boot? or existential wrapping in data Val? We have neither of these problems now and it may be possible to bring back derivations...
09:28 fridim ?eval (1..3) XX (1..4)
09:28 evalbot_r15770 Error: ␤Unexpected "XX"␤expecting operator
09:28 fridim ?eval (1..3) ZZ (1..4)
09:28 evalbot_r15770 Error: ␤Unexpected "ZZ"␤expecting operator
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09:51 meppl good morning
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10:06 lichtkind is MAD larrys p5>6 translator also in the pugs trunk?
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11:00 moritz my "make smoke" dies without any message...
11:00 moritz last executed test is t/builtins/strings/uc.t
11:01 lichtkind moritz du you know where MAD is?
11:01 moritz then there is no output for quite a while, and then it just dies
11:01 moritz lichtkind: no
11:01 lichtkind who could it know?
11:01 moritz lichtkind: TimToady probably ;)
11:02 lichtkind audreyt its served the article is ready (without last chapter of course)
11:02 lichtkind TimToady could you please tell me if MAD lays in Pugs rep?
11:12 integral It's applied to blead-perl
11:13 integral (So you just need to obtain that and then build with the right flags to enable MAD)
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11:26 lichtkind integral: thanks a lot
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11:31 integral no problem :)
11:54 audreyt @tell lichtkind Perl5->MAD->Perl6 is part of Pugs repo: misc/pX/Common/P5_to_P6_Translation
11:54 lambdabot Consider it noted.
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12:13 moritz it builds but produces only empty output files
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12:21 svnbot6 r15771 | fglock++ | v6.pm - fixed '@_' and string interpolation
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13:02 audreyt update: macbook disk corrupted _again_, this time starting in ~/.svk/. backing up now, switching workspace to Win32, will be back in a few hours (and replace the disk _again_) tomorrow
13:02 * audreyt mumbles something about why software has to run on hardware, etc.
13:03 moritz audreyt: good point, hardware should be abstracted away ;)
13:07 webmind sure, but then I don't want to see any software on the hardware either :)
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14:19 ajs_ audreyt: Perhaps the problem is not the disk. You might have a hardware problem unrelated to the particular disk you put in the box...
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17:24 lanny Ok.  Regaurding 'svk pull' on feather error seems to occur at 15257@.  15256@ says the mirror was relocated to http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs.  Guessing that didn't go smoothly.
17:24 lambdabot Title: Revision 15771: /
17:27 geoffb Nope, the relocated URL is the correct one.  I haven't used feather since the change, so I'm not sure the problem there -- though if you have a local mirror of the repo (rather than using the common one), you should ask the other feather users about redirecting yourself.
17:29 lanny I don't have a local mirror.  Using the SVK instructions found on http://feather.perl6.nl/.
17:29 lambdabot Title: Perl6 Community Development Server
17:29 lanny I see that it's the correct mirror setup.  Wondering if SVN::Mirror needs updating on Feather.  It's a 0.71 and 0.73 is out.
17:30 geoffb Juerd, clkao, or audreyt may be able to help, but I'm out of my weak feather knowledge at this point.
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17:32 lanny I also tried svk mirroring to my local box with latest svn libs, svk 2.00.  When I try and just sync -s HEAD I get a message about log corruption.  Google provided no joy on a solution.
17:33 lanny Hmm.  I'll compile a local SVN::MIrror and see if that resolves.
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17:51 pmurias hi
17:52 pmurias pugscode.org dosn't resolve correctly for me (tried from feather with the same result) what is it's ip addres?
17:53 offby1 pugscode.org has address 194.145.200.126
17:53 gaal pmurias: 194.145.200.126
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17:57 lanny Well it's not SVN::Mirror that's the problem.
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18:03 pmurias thanks
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18:32 lanny Hmm.  I can successfully mirror and sync -s 15257 so feather svk is definitely having problems with the relocation of the mirror source after 15256@.
18:33 [particle] do you really need all the history?
18:33 lanny Not at all.  But the config comes from ~audreyt/config.
18:35 lanny Using audrey's mirror and pulling keep history down to one location (when it works again).
18:35 lanny Cannot type today.  :(  s/keep/keeps/
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19:34 perlmonkey2 Is it considered poor form to ask how about the status of Perl6?
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19:35 moritz perlmonkey2: it's developing ;)
19:35 [particle] perlmonkey2: do you have a commit bit?
19:35 [particle] if not, would you like one?
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19:36 perlmonkey2 I must not have a commit bit, because I don't know what it is.  But yes, I think I would like one, if it means helping with Perl6.
19:36 integral heh, "finishing it is now *your* problem" :-P
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19:36 [particle] /msg me your email address
19:36 moritz perlmonkey2: pugs implements quite a lot perl6 features
19:36 moritz ?eval (1 .. 5) >>+<< (3 .. 7)
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19:45 [particle] perlmonkey2: ping
19:53 [particle] perlmonkey2: invite sent! welcome.
19:53 [particle] it's customary to add your name to AUTHORS, to make sure your commit bit works
19:59 perlmonkey2 pugscode.org appears to be down?
20:00 Gothmog_ responds to ping...
20:00 Gothmog_ ...and http works, too
20:04 moritz perlmonkey2: do you have DNS problems? there were some recently...
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20:57 renormalist ?eval "m" ~ "oo" ~ "se" | > reverse (show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4))
20:57 evalbot_r15771 Error: ␤Unexpected ">"
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20:57 renormalist ?eval  reverse (show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4))
20:57 evalbot_r15771 Error: ␤Unexpected "1"␤expecting operator, ":", "," or ")"
20:58 * renormalist wonders what's that topic for?
20:58 lambdabot renormalist: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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21:22 TimToady @eval reverse (show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4))
21:23 geoffb > reverse (show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4))
21:23 lambdabot "42"
21:26 moritz ?eval 6*8
21:26 evalbot_r15771 48
21:27 moritz ?eval 6*7
21:27 evalbot_r15771 42
21:27 moritz sometimes life can be so simple ;)
21:27 TimToady ?eval ~(6*7)
21:27 evalbot_r15771 "42"
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21:36 moritz how do I define and access tuple in p6?
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21:38 TimToady the official type name for a tuple in p6 is Seq, but I'm not sure pugs knows that.
21:38 moritz TimToady: ok thanks, I'll revert to arrays for now
21:38 TimToady ?eval (1,2,3).WHAT
21:38 evalbot_r15771 ::Array
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22:08 perlmonkey2 I wonder why Cox's DNS doesn't have pugscode.org in it?
22:09 * perlmonkey2 thinks it is time to set up named as a caching server.
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22:30 TimToady perlmonkey2: does it have feather.perl6.nl?
22:31 TimToady or perlcabal.org?
22:31 Limbic_Region TimToady - is audreyt MIA due to hw failures again?
22:31 Limbic_Region I briefly caught something about "perhaps it isn't your harddrive"
22:32 allbery_b I didn't catch the whole ting but she was talkin about corruption in her svk image
22:32 integral backlog to 13:02, she said something about having to change drive again
22:32 Limbic_Region I just caught it in the log
22:32 Limbic_Region she had to switch to Win32
22:32 Limbic_Region so no biggie from my perspective
22:33 Limbic_Region I think Win32 is under appreciated
22:33 Limbic_Region it has been an extremely quiet day apparently
22:34 [particle] everybody's waiting for the parrot release :)
22:34 Limbic_Region oh, who's wearing the hat this month [particle] ?
22:34 [particle] coke
22:34 geoffb The question is: was the pad branch totally local, or did she have a copy somewhere other than ~/.svk?
22:35 Limbic_Region oh yeah, forgot about that geoffb
22:35 Limbic_Region :-(
22:36 Limbic_Region .seen gaal
22:36 Limbic_Region ?seen gaal
22:36 lambdabot gaal is in #perl6 and #haskell. I last heard gaal speak 4h 42m 31s ago.
22:36 geoffb I'm hoping the pad branch delay so far had been about wrapping her brain around the problem, plus other tasks having higher local priority, rather than that there's just a monster amount of code to be wrangled.
22:37 * Limbic_Region wonders what Data derivations are and why they are useful
22:38 Limbic_Region geoffb - it didn't seem to appear that she was having a hard time recovering the data - only that the disk was going bad
22:38 Limbic_Region geoffb - "update: macbook disk corrupted _again_, this time starting in ~/.svk/. backing up now,...."
22:38 geoffb geoffb: My concern is that she said the corruption *started* there.  Hence, likely to be most likely to have unrecovered bits.
22:40 geoffb I wonder why I addressed myself there ....
22:41 lumi Limbic_Region: They're sort of part of a Haskell type reflection system, I think
22:44 allbery_b Data by itself doesn't make much sense to me
22:44 allbery_b (I wasn't aware of such a thing, nor does ghci appear to be)
22:45 Limbic_Region lumi - yeah, I kinda sorta gathered that from gaal's inquiry to audreyt on the subject.  I was kind of hoping for a lay explanation that told me why they were cool and desireable
22:46 lumi allbery_b: It's part of the Data.Generics thing, isn't it?
22:46 allbery_b Typeable is the reflection thing
22:46 allbery_b ah, there it is, yes
22:46 lumi Limbic_Region: I think it's part of the whole "make Haskell values into Pugs values automagically" jobby
22:48 allbery_b so that makes SYB aka Data.Generics usable, which lets you do all sorts of useful things
22:48 Limbic_Region oh
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23:30 meppl good night
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23:53 perlmonkey2 I think I found out why I'm having so many problems with DNS resolution concering pugscode.org  http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/17/1235224
23:53 lambdabot Title: Slashdot | Registerfly's Accreditation Terminated by ICANN
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