Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2007-03-24

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00:03 Limbic_Region allbery_b - well, except that the message it gave me was one I had already seen over a week ago
00:03 Limbic_Region allbery_b - so unless it also had a db restored, it is messed up
00:04 allbery_b db restoration is not impossible, dons runs this LB from the dbs in darcs
00:04 allbery_b so if for some reason he reverted something, the state accumulated since then would also disappear unless he was very careful
00:06 allbery_b you could always @ask him about it...
00:06 Limbic_Region I could - but I don't really care
00:07 Limbic_Region I saw what gaal had to say in the irc log
00:07 Limbic_Region others may be more affected though
00:22 geoffb make is doing a complete rebuild -- did the pads branch land while I wasn't looking?
00:23 TimToady no, but Makefile.PL was touched a day or so ago
00:23 geoffb ... causing everything to seem out of date, gotcha
00:28 gaal Limbic_Region: I'd left it to Limbic~Region by accident. She's not to blame, lambdabot.
00:29 ayrnieu Hah, so I guessed.
00:29 Limbic_Region oh
00:29 Limbic_Region heh
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01:16 TimToady general notice: if anyone has trouble resolving any of the other feather.perl6.nl names, I have perl6.wall.org aimed at its current address.
01:17 TimToady http://perl6.wall.org
01:17 lambdabot Title: Perl6 Community Development Server
01:17 TimToady there you have it
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01:21 geoffb TimToady: consider updating the channel topic to match ...
01:24 TimToady do you have to be an operator for that?
01:25 allbery_b doesn'
01:25 allbery_b t look like it
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01:26 allbery_b changes topic to: http://pugscode.org (or try http://perl6.wall.org) | http://sial.org/pbot/perl6 | ?eval [~] <m oo se> | We do Haskell, too | > reverse (show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4))
01:27 allbery_b changes topic to: http://pugscode.org | temporary feather address:  http://perl6.wall.org | http://sial.org/pbot/perl6 | ?eval [~] <m oo se> | We do Haskell, too | > reverse (show (scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4))
01:27 allbery_b more accurate?
01:27 * allbery_b should let someone who knows do the updating :>
01:29 TimToady anyway, I'm assuming the address is fairly static.  if it changes, someone lemme know and I can repropagate it in 10 minutes or so.
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01:35 TimToady and of course it doesn't help you with the missing virtual hosts...
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03:04 puter fyi, just in case anyone was curious, i'm off $job hunting.  hope to be back within a couple of weeks.  hope everyone is having -Ofun.
03:05 puter regards &
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07:10 geoffb Is there any way to find out what signature is required when receiving the error '*** No compatible multi variant found: &foo' ?
07:18 TimToady not yet.  I've been asking for that for months, but it's been waiting on the type and signature upgrades, so hopefully soon.
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08:25 gaal why does mmd enter the Pair multi here?
08:25 gaal ?eval "42".fmt("%d")
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08:25 evalbot_r15780 Error: Not a keyed value: VStr "42"
08:25 gaal also:
08:26 gaal ?eval $x = "42"; $x.fmt("%d")
08:26 evalbot_r15780 Error: Not a keyed value: VStr "42"
08:26 gaal and:
08:26 gaal ?eval $x = 42; $x.fmt("%d")
08:26 evalbot_r15780 Error: Not a keyed value: VInt 42
08:27 gaal we hit Prelude.pm:671, multi fmt (Pair $obj; $fmt)
08:27 gaal the other alternatives are Scalar, List and Hash.
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13:44 svnbot6 r15781 | lwall++ | All punctuation is now considered "meta" and must be explicitly quoted.
13:44 svnbot6 r15781 | lwall++ | <'*'> form simplified to '*'
13:44 svnbot6 r15781 | lwall++ | =\> can now be written '=>'
13:44 svnbot6 r15781 | lwall++ | (the changes in this file are just in usage, haven't changed the parser yet)
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15:06 svnbot6 r15782 | lanny++ | * problem50.t - huffman coding
15:06 svnbot6 r15782 | lanny++ |   + break ties in sort to create the tree in the same way each time
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15:11 lanny Many thanks to everyone for helping get  my passwd reset.  @all<<++ (or whatever the syntax has changed to since I last looked. :)
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16:39 svnbot6 r15783 | lanny++ | * t/regex/from_perl6_rules
16:39 svnbot6 r15783 | lanny++ |   + clean up unexpected passes on darwin, linux, mswin32
16:39 svnbot6 r15783 | lanny++ |   + (presumably it's the same unexpected passes. :/
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19:58 lichtkind obra sorry are you kudra in perlmonks?
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20:13 Traumprinz hi
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20:14 metalfan my Int $x ="bla";  <- shouldn't this trigger some kind of warning?
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20:16 lichtkind Traumprinz yet a n0ther german here? :)
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20:20 TimToady metalfan: yes, but we're waiting on the new type system.
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20:26 metalfan oh, i see
20:26 metalfan so even pugs is "very" incomplete?
20:26 metalfan considering perl6 features
20:29 TimToady it's taking a spiral approach; many of the features are roughed in, and we're starting in on the cycle of finalizing various bits of it.
20:30 TimToady for a graph of the project, see http://dev.pugscode.org/browser/project_planning/a_dependency_graph.png
20:30 lambdabot Title: /project_planning/a_dependency_graph.png - Pugs - Trac, http://tinyurl.com/yu9fvz
20:30 TimToady we're just coming up on a 6.28 release of pugs
20:31 metalfan thx
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20:31 TimToady though the recent snafu with registerfly has unfortunately slowed things a bit since feather.perl6.nl is registered there... :/
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20:32 TimToady also, audreyt is still recovering from hepatitis
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20:37 metalfan_ nice picture
20:39 TimToady putter did it, but he's also out for a couple weeks...
20:42 clkao there's something allowing you to commit things offline..
20:48 TimToady sure, but people don't get very excited till they see it show up in the repo.  :P
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20:50 TimToady and I don't think svk helps much with the Hep-B part...  :/
20:50 TimToady perhaps a version that refuses to work when audreyt should be sleeping... ;)
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20:57 lichtkind TimToady i recently polished audreys wikipedia article is there anything you want to have noticed in your :)
20:58 TimToady you could mark it for deletion and see what happens.  :)
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21:00 lichtkind TimToady: sorry man but i currently doint have the nerve for this kind of fun since i got today very angry in an unfair deletion debate where some scientism-fanatics wanted to delete an exelent work because they wantet it their way and thought rebuild from scratch would be faster
21:02 lichtkind but if there is something i can to just say http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Wall
21:03 TimToady kay, thanks.
21:04 lichtkind TimToady: by the way is it true that you where employed by Unisys while gave birth to perl?
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21:05 TimToady yes
21:06 lichtkind ah thanks
21:07 lichtkind and when exactly began perl to evolve? in http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl i wrote around march 1987
21:07 lambdabot Title: Perl - Wikipedia
21:07 lichtkind based on data from an larry wall interview :)
21:08 TimToady that sounds about right. version 1 was released in late 1987.
21:09 lichtkind yes these facts are well documented i just ask you what nowhere stands written, when the idea began
21:11 lichtkind TimToady: it sounds to me you dunno exactly
21:12 TimToady I don't know exactly.  I know the actual implementation was about a month old when Geneva was born May 12.
21:13 TimToady but the disk drive containing the original info was long ago melted down by the U.S government...
21:13 TimToady and I don't down it was melted down, given it was for a secret project.
21:13 lichtkind ah the supersecret blacker
21:13 TimToady wasn't really supersecret, just secret.
21:14 TimToady but secret enough..
21:14 lichtkind haha
21:14 * geoffb boggles that TimToady has security clearance  ;-)
21:14 lichtkind me too :)
21:14 lichtkind but its cool
21:14 TimToady would be a lot harder for me to get now that I've been in X different countries...
21:14 obra lichtkind: no. jesse on perlmonks
21:15 lichtkind TimToady: yeah but it sounds to me totally unreasonably to make such an effort by an company line unisys
21:15 TimToady if it had been the company's business I'd never have been allowed to release it as open source.
21:15 lichtkind obra thanks so i assume kudra is here also kudra
21:15 TimToady and I couldn't really even ask permission, since open source really had not been invented yet.
21:17 lichtkind TimToady: of course but my point is that that this effort was no way an backbone of NSA activities just an experiment or something like that
21:18 TimToady and in fact NSA abandoned blacker; last I heard only Canada was till using it, and even that is old info.
21:19 lichtkind TimToady: my freind made some very funny jokes out of that in the camelopedia, a satiric version of wikipedia, too bad you cant german
21:19 TimToady anyway, haven't had a clearance since I left Unisys.
21:20 TimToady ich habe Deutsch ganz vergessen...
21:20 lichtkind schade
21:22 TimToady biab &
21:23 lichtkind bye
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21:57 geoffb OK, what am I doing wrong here:  pugs> sub recurse_list(*$head, *$neck, *@tail) {return $neck unless $head; return recurse_list(|@tail);}  say recurse_list(2, 5);
21:57 geoffb *** No compatible multi variant found: &recurse_list
21:57 geoffb    at <interactive> line 1, column 77-97
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22:33 avar geoffb: you can't flatten scalars?
22:34 avar try ($head, $neck, *@tail)
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22:46 * Leibsle pokes lichtkind
22:46 lichtkind ah das leibsle was hast an dem channel gefressen?
22:47 Leibsle just observing the bright moments when TimToady and other people are discussing :P
22:48 lichtkind Leibsle: na da hab ich vorhin schow geliefert :)
22:49 Leibsle shhh. lets not make the people angry and talk english :P
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22:50 lichtkind hab hier schonmit ganz andren leuten hier deutsch gesprochen mein volksgenosse
22:50 Leibsle dann sind die hier nicht so ruppig wie auf #perl? :)
22:51 lichtkind klar das ist auch die schöne neue pugs welt wo jeder fei ist :)
22:51 lichtkind Leibsle why your not on perlde?
22:51 Leibsle lichtkind, because i am pissed at some people there
22:52 lichtkind Leibsle may i ask who?
22:52 * lichtkind knuddelt dieter
22:53 lichtkind cant answer on this server due nickserv
22:53 lichtkind 2bios helped me yesterday seemed to be kind
22:53 Leibsle oh bummer, this spam protection thing cause you have no registered nick?
22:53 Leibsle hang on
22:54 lichtkind Leibsle: private channel on perl org?
22:54 Leibsle lichtkind, please try again. i did: /ns unfiltered on
22:54 lichtkind yes
23:03 Patterner Es gibt ein perlde?
23:11 Leibsle wir können ja eins aufmachen :)
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23:59 svnbot6 r15784 | lanny++ | * 99problems/problems9{1,2,3,7}.t
23:59 svnbot6 r15784 | lanny++ |   + just because I'm a literalist

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