Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2007-04-23

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03:00 svnbot6 r16072 | karhu++ | Started writing rules engine for Pyrl 6.
03:03 jrockway pyrl?
03:03 svnbot6 r16073 | karhu++ | Added Ruby6--the next attempt to redo Redsix. Only this time
03:03 svnbot6 r16073 | karhu++ | it should work :)
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03:18 spinclad jrockway: perl6 in python
03:21 jrockway heh, what about python in perl6?  then pyrl6 can compile itself :)
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03:44 agentzh yay, the last two autosmokes worked perfectly on feather :D
03:44 agentzh school &
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04:29 gaal @tell diakopter see Perl6::Bible on CPAN
04:29 lambdabot Consider it noted.
04:31 gaal re: yaml as a store, Test::TAP::* tools are not coupled to yaml specifically you know. using something else is a simple matter of coding. if someone really wants this then hopefully they can do it in Data::Serializer so that picking a format becomes changing a line in a policy file.
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07:26 dduncan what is David Koenig known by here?
07:26 dduncan I have a question about Pyrl6
07:27 dduncan specifically, there is an issue with the misc/Pyrl6 directory as it currently is, where it can't unpack in a case-insensitive files system, as it contains folders named Pyrl and pyrl
07:27 dduncan this affects default installs of Mac OS X, and afaik Windows too
07:28 dduncan can one of those be renamed without trouble?
07:29 dduncan I asked for the id as there seems to be no such person in AUTHORS as I saw
07:30 dduncan karhu
07:30 dduncan it looks like from the Pugs log
07:30 dduncan seen karhu
07:31 dduncan looks like email time ...
07:31 gaal dduncan: fixing
07:32 dduncan oh, you'll do it ... okay then ... email cancelled
07:32 dduncan technically, I could have fixed it too, but thought I'd ask the author
07:32 dduncan in case something about the naming was significant
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07:33 dduncan thank you
07:35 gaal np
07:36 dduncan he should be in AUTHORS too, presumably
07:36 svnbot6 r16075 | gaal++ | * move Pyrl/ to lib/ to avoid clashes with the pyrl file on
07:36 svnbot6 r16075 | gaal++ |   incasative filesystems. Note that this may have broken Pyrl;
07:36 svnbot6 r16075 | gaal++ |   I'm sorry to say I don't know even enough python to check. But
07:36 svnbot6 r16075 | gaal++ |   it unbreaks unpacking of the directory on Windows and MacOSX.
07:38 dduncan well, that resolved the issue for me
07:38 gaal moritz++ # iconography of irc logs
07:39 dduncan (Mac OS X)
07:39 gaal cool :)
07:40 dduncan not that I'm actually using Pyrl, but my regular runs of 'svk status' turned this up as a flag ... a tilde appeared in the left column for pyrl
07:40 gaal nodnod
07:40 dduncan different than the ! or ? you get for missing or extra items
07:41 gaal @tell veritos are you karhu? please review r16075
07:41 lambdabot Consider it noted.
07:49 clkao ~ means obstructed
07:49 clkao that you have a dir but it's not a file or vice versa
07:53 gaal clkao: I have some tuits for svk appropriate today. is #svk logged? or could you just repeat the function call you mentioned about a week ago to associate a checkout with a depo? (I think that's what it was?)
07:55 gaal (other possible names: bless, assimilate, borg, swallow, take, adopt...)
07:57 clkao gaal: whoot. topic of svk has the log url
07:57 gaal oh yay, found the log too: http://colabti.de/irclogger/irclogger_log/svk?date=2007-04-17,Tue#l135
07:58 lambdabot Title: #svk 2007-04-17,Tue, http://tinyurl.com/25jyrm
07:59 gaal brb
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08:12 gaal rehi
08:13 moritz good morning ;)
08:15 gaal hey moritz
08:20 gaal any Module::Install maintainers around?
08:20 gaal using 0.65, I get different behavior with MakeMaker and Build
08:21 gaal related to recommends().
08:21 gaal with makemaker, recommends seems to be ignored
08:22 gaal with module::build, not having the sufficient version aborts the build instead of getting the newer module autoinstalled
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09:16 gaal Task::Smoke 0.16 uploaded to PAUSE; requires the correct version of YAML::Syck on c-build capable systems.
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09:21 * demq announces that perl5 now groks vV and hH as per the perl6 specification.
09:21 demq particle, thanks for your help with it.
09:22 demq and timtoady thanks for the kick to get it done
09:25 moritz demq: cool ;)
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09:26 dduncan you mean that 5.10 will do that, or do you refer to something else?
09:26 demq we also do \R which is NOT from the perl6 spec. but hopefully thats ok as it IS part of PCRE 7 and IS part of the unicode report:tr18.
09:26 rgs it does.
09:26 demq 5.10 will do it
09:26 moritz ok, then, release it ;-)
09:26 rgs it does since right now. :)
09:26 rgs moritz: easy to say !
09:26 rgs I wish I could !
09:27 moritz rgs: I know, I'm just kidding ;)
09:27 dduncan On a tangent, any idea when 5.10 may come out?  I'm hoping it would be early enough for Mac OS X 10.5 to bundle it.
09:27 dduncan rather than bundling 5.8.x
09:27 rgs "asap"
09:27 demq do you know how scary it is that you say that moritz?
09:28 dduncan regarding X 10.5, a "near final" will be given out on disks this June, with the final supposedly in October
09:28 dduncan the June being WWDC
09:28 moritz demq: no, I don't - what's scary about that?
09:28 rgs it will be late to upgrade
09:28 dduncan but hopefully they don't feature freeze meanwhile
09:28 rgs that's a major version
09:28 demq its a hefty responsibility.
09:28 rgs and there will be a 5.8.9 hopefully
09:29 moritz then is 5.8.9 the release candidate for 5.10?
09:29 moritz s/is/will be/
09:29 dduncan no
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09:29 dduncan 5.9.x is the release candidate for 5.10
09:30 moritz oh right
09:30 moritz I confused those
09:30 dduncan on that note, hopefully at least 5.9.5 will come out soon
09:30 gaal WWDC == ? Whole world domination convention?
09:30 dduncan Apple's main developer conference
09:31 gaal Ah. I was right then, kinda
09:31 dduncan I went to the one in 2001 on a student scholarship ... had a great time
09:31 dduncan but in the present day I have way more interest in Perl-focused or open source focused conventions
09:31 moritz let's hope they don't dominate the world - MacOS is kinda cute, but the don't take security really serious
09:32 dduncan how do you get that idea?
09:32 dduncan I hear that from FUD-sters
09:32 moritz dduncan: wait, searching for a link...
09:32 dduncan but I don't hear it from people that know anything, usually
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09:33 dduncan of course, the most memorable recent FUD was where Bill Gates himself said that people hack into OS X every single day, while Windows Vista has a much better track record
09:34 dduncan said in an interview around Vista's launch, when an interviewer asked him a comparison question
09:34 dduncan you certainly can't trust companies who sell security software for an unbiased opinion
09:34 moritz dduncan: I read it from a guy who earns his living with code audits, and he applied as security engineer at apple
09:35 dduncan I can understand that there is legitimate criticism, but I also know there is a lot of FUD, and the latter usually gets the press
09:36 dduncan but I'll look at your url if you find it
09:38 moritz dduncan: http://c9c3.blogspot.com/2007/04/apple-computers.html
09:38 lambdabot Title: jf: Apple Computers
09:38 dduncan looking ...
09:40 dduncan that looks like a good link, thanks
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09:42 moritz np
09:51 dduncan having now read it all, I see the article raised some good points in the start, though at the same time seems to have sabotaged itself in how the interview was handled ... there may be evidence of security practices from looking at the code, but I wouldn't have seen it from the partial interview itself
09:53 moritz dduncan: it's certainly not an overall assessment of macos security, but it points out that things aren't as shiny as they are seen by apple fan boys ;)
09:53 dduncan yes
09:54 dduncan personally, I prefer Macs as a platform for my use and recommendation to others, but I'm not an Apple Apologeticist
09:55 dduncan hm, bad spelling
09:57 rgs http://xmonad.org/
09:57 lambdabot Title: xmonad : a tiling window manager
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09:59 moritz the description looks a bit like ion
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10:46 sili any recommended reading for static analysis?
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12:20 svnbot6 r16077 | fglock++ | - classes can be lexical:  $object_prototype = class {...}
12:20 svnbot6 r16077 | fglock++ | - some tests pass
12:25 avar fglock++
12:25 lumi I can't seem to upload a smoke, it tells me the html and yml files don't seem to correspond...
12:29 svnbot6 r16078 | fglock++ | kp6 - updated lib5/
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13:56 lumi Does anyone know the smoke harness, and why it wouldn't upload?
13:58 polettix lumi: a couple of days ago there were problems with some YAML stuff. I had issues until I updated to 16056
13:58 svnbot6 r16081 | fglock++ | kp6 - updated BIND semantics
13:58 polettix lumi: moreover, I remember someone urging us to upgrade to YAML::Syck 0.85
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14:03 lumi polettix: Thanks, I'll try updating everything and, failing that, recomplain :)
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14:19 veritos morning all
14:19 lambdabot veritos: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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14:47 veritos gaal: what were you messaging me about?
14:50 veritos gaal: oh, nm. btw that will break it on Python. but i can take care of it later. i'll rename pyrl (the program) to pyrl.py or something. thanks for the help tho
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16:22 veritos morning/evening/midnight
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16:38 rindolf Hi all.
16:38 rindolf TimToady: here?
16:38 rindolf Happy Israeli Independence Day Everyone!
16:39 rindolf Next year will be Israel's 60th anniversary.
16:42 moritz rindolf: without any offence intended, I don't know if that's a cause for joy and celebration
16:42 rindolf moritz: it is for us Israelis.
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16:42 rindolf moritz: but Indep Day in Israel tends to be very colloquial.
16:43 rindolf With plastic hammers, and spray cans, and food.
16:43 rindolf And Mangals (an Israeli form of Barbecue)
16:43 moritz sounds quite nice ;-)
16:44 rindolf moritz: I usually stay at home.
16:44 rindolf moritz: well, tomorrow, I'll go biking.
16:45 rindolf But I'm not going anywhere near Park Hayarkon, which I really like because there'll be a big show there.
16:53 avar In other news the 59th anniversary of everyone else in the region being pissed off at Israel, but in any case not really a topic for #perl6:)
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16:54 diakopter 59th? try 6000th-ish
16:55 avar hehe
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17:12 rindolf Lots of people are envious or Jealous of the Jews.
17:15 * kane_ blinks
17:15 kane_ did i come into the wrong room?
17:15 elmex rofl
17:15 moritz kane_: depends on what you're here for
17:15 kane_ ... perl?
17:16 elmex haha
17:16 moritz kane_: but #perl6 traditionally has a bit of line noise
17:16 moritz at least since I joined ;-)
17:16 kane_ ... is Jews a new programming language that has all the nifty features we want in it already? is that why we are envious?
17:16 * kane_ confused
17:17 moritz kane_: it's a cool programming language, but you may not use it on sabbath ;)
17:17 [particle] jews runs on the torah virtual machine
17:18 rindolf Jews is programmed using the Aramaic alphabet.
17:18 kane_ ah, sabbath.. taht's that proprietary OS i've been hearing a lot about?
17:18 rindolf kane_: :-)
17:18 kane_ silly licensing terms
17:19 [particle] their killer app is mossad
17:20 moritz *g*
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17:58 diakopter rindolf: oh.  I wasn't referring to Judaism.  I meant the state of Israel.  Calling a angry person "envious or jealous" to explain away their anger seems to be dodging any valid complaints the angry person might have.
17:58 rindolf diakopter: there are many problems with Israel, I admit.
17:58 rindolf And I'm an Israeli Jew.
17:59 rindolf diakopter: http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/politics/define-zionism/
17:59 lambdabot Title: Define "Zionism"
17:59 rindolf diakopter: but I was talking about the Jews.
17:59 rindolf diakopter: sf.org is my homesite ^^^
17:59 avar diakopter: You mean the terrorists don't hate our freedom?:)
18:00 PerlJam avar: nah, they're just jealous.
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18:00 PerlJam In any case, we need fewer angry people in the world I think
18:01 diakopter wait, which terrorists (Israelis or Americans), and whose freedom (humanity's or some people group's)?
18:02 sapir hmm? Israelis? terrorists?
18:03 diakopter I was merely making the point that avar's joke (while I got the intent) was unclear wrt its referents.
18:03 rindolf PerlJam: some terrorist leaders are envious in N-T terminolgy.
18:03 sapir ah I missed it
18:03 rindolf PerlJam: it's a variation of Jealousy where you want to destroy the value rather than have it for yourself.
18:03 rindolf PerlJam: if you're a good programmer (or whatever) and I want to be as good as you, then I'm jealous of you.
18:04 PerlJam rindolf: I know you're jealous of me.  ;)
18:04 rindolf PerlJam: if on the other hand, I want to stop you from being a good programmer, then it's envy.
18:04 rindolf PerlJam: heh, yeah.
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18:04 avar I envy your ability to throw channels off-topic
18:05 avar >:)
18:05 rindolf avar: :-)
18:05 rindolf #lisp is only on-topic and as a result it's pretty boring.
18:10 diakopter rindolf: that's an absurd definition/use of 'envy'.  For what you are describing as 'envious', more people would use 'psychopathic' or 'amoral'.  How would someone try to stop someone else from being a good programmer?
18:10 rindolf diakopter: it's not the common definition.
18:10 rindolf diakopter: it's the one used in the Neo-Tech context.
18:11 diakopter um
18:11 diakopter rindolf: sorry, I'm not initiated into that knowledge cult
18:11 rindolf diakopter: it's not a cult.
18:12 diakopter rindolf: sorry, again, I was using 'cult' in its academic definition, not the common one.
18:12 rindolf diakopter: oh, OK.
18:12 rindolf No problem.
18:12 rindolf diakopter: here's my guide to N-T : http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/philosophy/guide-to-neo-tech/
18:12 lambdabot Title: Guide to the Online Neo-Tech Resources, http://tinyurl.com/cqc8b
18:12 rindolf diakopter: do you mean "cult" as in "metaphorplex"?
18:13 rindolf Similar to memeplex.
18:13 diakopter ... but hopefully with just as a pejorative undertone as the common definition.
18:13 rindolf Like Joel on Software, etc.
18:15 diakopter hunh; nice religion you have there.  sorry; I'm not going to try to decipher what you mean by "metaphorplex".
18:18 PerlJam I don't recall rindolf asserting ownership or even profession of Neo-Tech.
18:18 rindolf PerlJam: ownership?
18:19 rindolf PerlJam: I have read a Neo-Tech book.
18:19 rindolf PerlJam: several times.
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18:19 PerlJam We all have our own pathologies
18:19 rindolf diakopter: N-T is not a religion. It's an idea system.
18:19 rindolf Or at least if it is, it's more than that.
18:19 rindolf One can claim that Perl is a religion too.
18:20 rindolf But it's also a useful tool, a culture, etc.
18:20 rindolf Judaism is also much more than a religion.
18:20 rindolf Back to Perl.
18:20 * rindolf wants to become the Pope of Perl.
18:20 rindolf The Perl Messiah.
18:20 rindolf Larry is the Perl patriarch (sp?)
18:20 moritz rindolf: you can become the "rindolf" messiah ;-)
18:21 rindolf moritz: ah, that's also OK.
18:21 rindolf But N-T is in fact the anti-thesis of everything religious and mystical.
18:22 * moritz has written a turing complemete language and interpreter (just as a toy), so now I'm its pope, messiah and implementor ;-)
18:22 rindolf moritz: everyone has written his own Turing-complete language at a point.
18:22 rindolf /me included
18:22 moritz rindolf: well, I did not until recently ;-)
18:22 rindolf Good thing I've still avoided writing my own IRC bot.
18:23 rindolf "Every program becomes more featureful until it can send mail."
18:23 elmex haha, i've been writing multiple irc bots and never released one :-/
18:23 moritz it wouldn't be that hard if only Net::IRC was documented properly ;-)
18:23 elmex there is still Net::IRC3 :->
18:23 moritz elmex: in perl?
18:23 elmex i've written irc bots in C, C++ and Perl
18:25 moritz so it's duplacted effort again *sigh*
18:26 elmex not at all
18:26 elmex Net::IRC3 uses the new AnyEvent module
18:26 moritz why not?
18:26 moritz I wrote an IRC logger the other day because collabti.de didn't work anymore
18:26 rindolf Most people nowadays use Bot::BasicBot or PoCoIrc
18:27 moritz and I searched for a perl irc logger that I might use, and I couldn't find any
18:27 elmex lol, Net::IRC2 is even mor ebadly documented than Net::IRC
18:27 rindolf I've avoided POE so far.
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18:27 elmex hehe, i don't like POE too. i fell in love with AnyEvent
18:28 elmex heh, ok, Bot::BasicBot is nicer if you don't want to write the botlogic
18:28 moritz POE seems.. a bit heavy at first sight
18:28 elmex not only at first sight
18:29 elmex i've tried it. it's a complete event and io-event solution that imposes a structure on your programs
18:29 elmex some like the framework, some now
18:29 elmex s/now/not/
18:29 PerlJam and will be obsolete or at least *really* simple to implement in Perl6/Parrot  :)
18:29 PerlJam (POE that is)
18:29 elmex yea
18:30 PerlJam elmex: those that don't like POE either don't understand it or they don't understand it  :)
18:30 * moritz doesn't understand it
18:30 PerlJam It's not a panacea no matter how hard you push it.
18:30 elmex PerlJam: i understand it, and i understood that i dont need it and want to manage things differently
18:31 PerlJam elmex: excellent!
18:31 elmex i've even used it to write an irc bot once
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18:31 elmex that even performed not too badly
18:31 PerlJam We're TMTOWTDI all the way up and all the way down.
18:31 elmex :-)
18:32 rindolf PerlJam: Uri Guttman said he's working on his own POE replacement.
18:32 elmex cool
18:32 elmex lol
18:32 PerlJam rindolf: you're talking about stem?
18:32 rindolf In the latest Perlcast interview with him.
18:32 moritz yey, more implementations ;-)
18:32 rindolf PerlJam:  I don't remember.
18:32 rindolf I wrote my own CMS, though.
18:32 rindolf But it's an offline CMS.
18:33 PerlJam stem really isn't a POE replacement IMHO.
18:33 moritz rindolf: I did, too ;-)
18:33 elmex reinventing the wheel is a nice thing, because they might become rounder than before :)
18:33 awwaiid or pointier... if you're into that sort of thing
18:33 PerlJam stem and POE are more like different philosophies of a similar idea.  But sometimes which philosophy you choose matters.
18:33 rindolf elmex: "He who re-invents the wheel, may actually invent a much better wheel".
18:33 elmex right
18:33 elmex that was what i meant
18:33 moritz actually I didn't want to write my own offline CMS, but I haven't found a suitable one
18:34 rindolf elmex: yes, I got you.
18:34 rindolf I was quoting myself.
18:34 elmex heh, k
18:34 moritz so the problem seems to be to find the software
18:34 elmex my enlgihs sucks at times, so i'm often not sure wheter ppl get me
18:34 rindolf moritz: my CMS grew out of the WML logic I copied and pasted to create my own sites.
18:34 rindolf moritz: and eventually concentrated it into one thing.
18:35 rindolf Which took some work, but was well worth it because I had less duplicate code.
18:35 rindolf I'm not sure too many people are using Latemp (my CMS) now.
18:35 rindolf But it's all there.
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18:53 moritz damned
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19:03 moritz that's better now ;-)
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20:19 dduncan it seems that misc/Pyrl6 is borked again on case-insensitive systems ... it contains both a Pyrl.py and pyrl.py
20:20 dduncan therefore, on my box, even with a fresh pull and revert -R of the repository, svk status shows Pyrl.py as being modified when it wasn't, and so a commit could accidentally break that in the repo
20:22 avar windows--
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20:25 moritz avar: macos x uses case insesitve filesystems by default as well
20:25 avar (mac os x)--
20:26 veritos fixed, the config should be taken care of soon.
20:26 veritos good to see people caring about it tho
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20:27 veritos anyway Pyrl.py (the library) will be going away soon.
20:37 veritos what happened to the svnbot?
20:47 fglock_ if an object has a FETCH method, is it automatically considered a container? is FETCH called by default?
20:50 dduncan Mac OS X is what I'm using, as with a lot of us ... now I could probably reformat my disks case-sensitive, but I don't know what side-effects that may have for some programs
20:50 moritz dduncan: no, don't do that ;-)
20:53 fglock_ for example: does this calls FETCH?  ( function_that_returns_an_object_that_can_FETCH() + 1 )
20:56 veritos so what have the people who have so far seen Pyrl thought?
20:57 fglock_ veritos: sorry, haven't looked yet,
20:57 fglock_ but do you think it can be made to run mp6 code?
20:57 fglock_ that would be nice
20:58 veritos fglock_: once i get rules up-and-running it should be no problem.
20:58 fglock_ mp6 doesn't need rules, it has it's own engine
20:59 veritos fglock_: so i just need a tokenizer and parser?
20:59 veritos i'll try later today.
20:59 fglock_ yes, and a minimal runtime
20:59 veritos fglock_: of course...
20:59 veritos i need to go though...bye.
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21:05 fglock I'm a bit confused about when to call FETCH; I guess I'll create a separate 'call-method' for containers,
21:05 fglock which means, for FETCH to be called automatically, the object must inherit/do 'Container'
21:06 fglock &
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21:37 veritos hello
21:38 veritos oh, also a question on the current channel topic: isn't reverse . show $ scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4 a bit cleaner?
21:38 moritz > reverse . show $ scanl (*) 1 [1..] !! 4
21:38 lambdabot "42"
21:39 moritz haskell will always be a secret to me
21:40 jrockway > 2 + 2 where 2 + 2 = 42
21:40 lambdabot Parse error
21:41 veritos reverse (show yada) = reverse . show yada = (.) reverse show yada
21:41 veritos 2 + 2 where (+) 2 2 = 42
21:41 veritos > 2 + 2 where (+) 2 2 = 42
21:41 lambdabot Parse error
21:41 jrockway it works in ghci...
21:41 jrockway (uh, and ghc of course :)
21:41 veritos (+) 2 2 where (+) x y = 42
21:41 veritos >(+) 2 2 where (+) x y = 42
21:41 veritos > (+) 2 2 where (+) x y = 42
21:41 lambdabot Parse error
21:41 moritz Prelude> 2 + 2 where (+) 2 2 = 42
21:41 moritz <interactive>:1:6: parse error on input `where'
21:42 veritos > let (*) x y = 42 in 9 * 6
21:42 lambdabot 42
21:42 jrockway > let 2 + 2 = 42 in 2 + 2
21:42 jrockway i'm apparently wrong btw
21:42 jrockway ENOTENOUGHHASKELLRECENTLY
21:42 veritos in the definition you have to do it prefix i think
21:43 jrockway nah, pattern matching
21:43 veritos > let (+) 2 2 = 42 in + 2 2
21:43 lambdabot Parse error
21:43 jrockway why am i thinking of where though
21:43 * jrockway finds my slides where i did this and it works
21:43 moritz (+) 2 2 where (+) x y = 42 works in hugs
21:43 veritos hmm. ((+)2)2
21:43 veritos > ((+)2)2
21:43 veritos > ( ( + ) 2 ) 2
21:44 veritos urgh. it should work... (+) :: Num -> Num -> Num
21:44 jrockway http://www.jrock.us/haskell_talk/takahashi.xul?data=haskell.txt#page134
21:44 lambdabot http://tinyurl.com/ywuoc9
21:44 jrockway weird, i swear that used to work
21:44 jrockway damn time warps...
21:45 veritos works just now in ghci...maybe it's an older compiler.
21:45 jrockway ah, possible that i have an old ghci on this machine
21:46 veritos jrockway: do you run the lambdabot?
21:46 jrockway no
21:46 jrockway dons does, i assume
21:46 veritos wo
21:49 veritos whoa, just cleaned my code significantly.
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22:07 veritos ok, miniperl6-in-python got started...$PUGSROOT/v6/v6-Python. have fun.
22:10 moritz Sudoku ist... komisch
22:10 moritz sorry, wrong channel ;-)
22:10 moritz it's time for me to sleep, night &
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23:39 veritos ni hao
23:43 TimToady shalom
23:44 Patterner Moin moin
23:44 veritos TimToady: you're being discriminatory. only rindolf knows yours (natively of course). i have >= 2 people that can.
23:45 TimToady 今日は。
23:48 TimToady Also, I think most of your intended audience would prefer: 你好
23:48 veritos Error on dirc:38: Malformed UTF-8 character
23:48 miyagawa TimToday: こんにちは
23:48 TimToady ^_^
23:48 miyagawa TimToday: (better spelled in Hiragana so as not to be confused with "Today is...")
23:49 TimToady はい、宮川先生!
23:49 TimToady is that right?
23:50 miyagawa yes! (except you don't need to call me 先生 :))
23:50 TimToady but you just taught me something!
23:51 TimToady I don't suppose your family knows which palace and which river, do they?

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