Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2007-06-03

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00:35 * Aankhen`` stealth-mooses gaal.
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03:06 svnbot6 r16621 | Darren_Duncan++ | ext/QDRDBMS/ : in AST.pm, added some convenience methods to several collection-type nodes
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04:10 gaal Aankhen``: moose!
04:11 ingy gaal: elk
04:11 gaal ingy: caribou
04:11 gaal waking up is hard, let's go sleeping
04:11 * ingy is a sucky C hacker :(
04:13 * gaal wanted to say some thing like, "X is your friend". But then I realied what a truly antagonistic ballroom C programming is
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04:14 ingy reading code is your friend
04:15 ahmadz good morning *
04:17 gaal yeah, that's true.
04:18 gaal hi ahmadz
04:18 ahmadz hi gaal
04:18 TimToady ?eval ?eval ?eval ?eval True
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04:19 evalbot_r16621 Bool::True
04:20 TimToady upgrading, bbl &
04:20 ahmadz is evalbot working in safe mode?
04:20 TimToady ?eval system "ls"
04:20 evalbot_r16621 Error: Unsafe function 'system' called under safe mode
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04:21 ahmadz what about for "1..Inf" ? ;-)
04:21 gaal try it :)
04:21 gaal there's a ulimit
04:22 ahmadz hmmm true
04:22 ingy hopefully set to 3
04:22 ahmadz let me check runpugs ulimit
04:24 ahmadz installed opensolaris b64 yesterday only to find out it had perl 5.8.4
04:25 ahmadz runpugs ulimit="ulimit -m 640000; ulimit -v 64000;"
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04:56 lumi ello
04:57 lumi gaal: Did you see my suggestion?
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06:04 gaal lumi: suggestion?
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06:05 lumi If it's possible to cut envEval out of env
06:07 lumi Do you know why it is in Env?
06:08 gaal the envoronment closes on an evaluator function
06:10 gaal there's only one place where this is modified though, in evaluate itself where it's rewired to evaluate'
06:10 gaal I don't understand that very well
06:11 gaal like, you only _don't_ replace the evaluator when you have a debug thing set up
06:11 gaal this sounds slow if it's recursive
06:12 lumi Yeah, iswym, it seems wonky
06:12 gaal ah actually it isn't; because you rewire the evaluator with local and from then on you don't worry abou tit
06:12 gaal brb coffee
06:14 lumi Would you ever need the envCaller's envEval? I'm still not seeing what it's up to
06:23 gaal I don't think so
06:24 lumi In that case, it can probably be cut out of there
06:24 lumi It should be possible (but not necessarily a good idea) to have it in a seperate ReaderT
06:25 gaal audreyt had a trick to tease apart circularity with newtypes, but I can't remember what it was
06:26 lumi Got any leads?
06:26 gaal early pugs.val revisions
06:26 lumi If it doesn't actually belong in the frame, it probably *should* be removed
06:27 gaal there are only three concrete evaluators present
06:27 gaal the debugging one, the const (return VUndef) one, and the real one
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06:28 gaal gotta get back to work though
06:28 lumi So maybe it can be replaced with a small sh^W data type (DebugEval|FakeEval|RealEval)
06:29 lumi I need to go too
06:29 gaal unless the colsure effect is important
06:30 gaal moose, then.
06:30 lumi If it's important, it's only in the Debug case, sec
06:31 lumi It isn't, afaict
06:31 lumi It's not closing over anything
06:32 lumi Looks to me like it's just a trick to give up the debug evaluator as soon as possible
06:33 lumi Haskell code is easy to reason about
06:35 gaal so the problem is just with having the Eval type visible in Env.hs
06:36 gaal or rather, the Env -> Eval Val type :)
06:38 lumi What problem?
06:38 lumi I think it can live in Pugs.AST now?
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06:39 lumi I could be very wrong, but there's an evalExp there that just asks envEval and then uses it
06:39 lumi Unless there's another circularity problem
06:40 gaal what are you refering to that can live in Pugs.AST? my starting point is that I want to move over Env to a separate module
06:40 gaal it's in P.A.Internals now
06:42 lumi Why does (Env -> Eval Val) need to be visible in Pugs.*.Env?
06:42 gaal er sorry, Exp -> Eval Val. That's the type of envEval
06:42 lumi Right, but still
06:43 lumi Why does it need to be visible in P.A.Env?
06:43 gaal the alternative is to make envEval a datatype marking which to use, like you suggested
06:43 gaal but that's a runtime hit every call to evaluate
06:43 gaal um i want to put the Env type there, and it's a member...
06:44 lumi I wonder what the newtype trickery is
06:44 gaal svk log Pugs.Val then and moose around
06:44 gaal as you can tell, I'm not here
06:44 lumi I'll try to look later, I'm seriously ue to be gone
06:44 lumi s/ue/due/
06:45 lumi &
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10:49 moritz good morning ;)
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11:00 rff mornin'
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13:10 gaal IM IN UR BETAGAMS / RSN UR VWLS
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19:38 svnbot6 r16623 | gaal++ | * a few more ignore props
20:05 svnbot6 r16624 | azawawi++ | README missing module update + proper use lib for bin/termserv.pl
20:26 svnbot6 r16625 | gaal++ | * separate internals functions for loading yaml strings and files
20:31 mncharity gaal! :)
20:32 gaal moose!
20:32 gaal I ran into your name just a few days ago, putter
20:33 gaal saw an ooooold comment you made on some website
20:35 mncharity I'm scattered far and wide. :)  How goes?
20:35 gaal not bad at all!
20:36 gaal except perhaps for the oppressive heat. i'm trying to work up the concentration to revisit compilation cache, and resist aping my cat, who is incessantly napping. that would not do, I prefer cats to apes.
20:37 mncharity lol
20:38 mncharity I've been in python land lately.  Creates cravings for p6.
20:38 gaal doesn't python has some metaclass stuff too?
20:39 mncharity air conditioning?
20:39 gaal I don't know very much python but I've a feeling I'm about to pick up some soon
20:40 gaal only in the other room. actually the ambient temp isn't bad, it's this laptop that's frying me. I remember seeing some metal frame thingie that was supposed to support laptops in many positions (incl. the audrety one, I think). but I can't find it now
20:43 mncharity re py metaclass stuff, indeed.  and there are some sub-communities which believe in dsl's.  but it's far from say ruby's cultural embrace.  lots of java-like 'the language is the language and why would you use anything else?  that would just cause confusion'.
20:45 gaal nod
20:46 * mncharity pictures tube made of garbage bags used to feed cold air to a minicomputer, being moved from one room to another, while continuing to do orbital calcs for a satellite. :)
20:47 mncharity (whenever someone has cooling issues, I think, well, you take some garbage bags and duct tape, and....)
20:48 gaal lol
20:50 Tene I have a friend who did something like that...
20:50 * Tene finds pictures.
20:50 mncharity :)
20:51 clkao w/in 38
20:51 gaal found the laptop thing I was looking for, it's called lapdawg, but apparently they're working on a new version. heh, sounds familiar.
20:53 ahmadz finally got runpugs working on mod_perl2 ;-)
20:54 Tene http://pictures.qbfreak.net/v/​computers/fallcool/?g2_page=3
20:54 lambdabot Title: Cooling System
20:55 gaal hee!
20:57 mncharity lol.  but what if it snows...
20:57 * gaal looks for a lake ontario to pull out cold from
20:57 ahmadz interesting cooling system ;-)
20:59 gaal http://en.wikipedia.org/wi​ki/Deep_lake_water_cooling
20:59 lambdabot Title: Deep lake water cooling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
20:59 gaal also interesting cooling system :)
21:00 mncharity vinge had a sf story where people could teleport swap bits of matter with places they had been to.  so you might visit a cool mountain so you could later provide air conditioning services.
21:00 gaal I think Larry Niven had a vignette about Maxwell's demon
21:01 allbery_b one of his "unfinished stories"
21:01 gaal this guy was living in a cave, and his demon was keeping out all the molecules moving too quickly
21:01 allbery_b it was the Warlock :)
21:01 gaal ah :)
21:02 allbery_b (from the _The Magic Goes Away_ series/world)
21:03 mncharity re mod_perl2, nice.  document, document, etc
21:04 gaal going afk now... nice to moose 'ya again mncharity!
21:04 allbery_b "Unfinished Story #1" from _All the Myriad Ways_
21:04 mncharity gaal: indeed.  happy moosing!
21:04 gaal }:)
21:04 gaal &
20:39 topic for #perl6 is: http://pugscode.org/ | Brave souls needed to fix 'make Install'! Non-brave souls should avoid it for now
20:41 * moritz wonders what happened to his irclogbot
20:41 moritz the last few lines where missing :(
20:41 Tene :(
20:41 moritz maybe I can import them from irssi's log
20:42 Tene my irclogbot is missing the past few days.  Internet connection has been down at my office since thursday.
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20:48 moritz Tene: you should do a svn up (in case you haven't already), the regex that searches for URLs+anchors previously produced warnings
20:48 moritz fixed in  r16622
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21:18 moritz ok, I restored the missing lines in the irclog
21:18 moritz joins and leaves are lost because I don't log them in irssi
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21:24 polettix moritz: may I help you? I have xchat logs on when I'm online, I can see if I have what you need
21:26 moritz polettix: I don't think that's worth the effort... just a few hours joins and leaves that don't appear in the logs...
21:26 moritz but thanks for your offer anyway, polettix++
21:27 polettix ok :)
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