Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #perl6, 2007-06-11

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08:17 meppl good morning
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09:17 riffraff hi
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09:19 Tene riffraff: Hi!
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14:47 jdv79 Is there any news of late?  I haven't seen any.
14:47 * offby1 glances around nervously.
14:52 jdv79 anyone picked up the summaries yet?
14:52 kolibrie not that I know of
14:52 thoughtpolice from my logs it's been slow for the past day or so
14:53 thoughtpolice i count nine lines of actual text since about this time yesterday.
14:54 offby1 line number ten!
14:55 thoughtpolice well, nine up to this line: 03:48 < jdv79> Is there any news of late?  I haven't seen any.
14:55 thoughtpolice so you came in at 11. :(
14:57 jdv79 is there a root "todo" list anywhere?
14:59 moritz iirc there was one on dev.pugscode.org
14:59 moritz but trac is disabled :(
14:59 moritz "implement perl 6" is our root todo list ;)
15:01 jdv79 ...
15:09 thoughtpolice short, sweet, to the point.
15:09 thoughtpolice i love it. :)
15:10 kolibrie and then our motto: "optimize for fun"
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16:04 rindolf http://use.perl.org/~Shlomi+Fish/journal/33492 - "Specifying Plugins for Helper Objects" - any comments?
16:04 lambdabot Title: Journal of Shlomi Fish (918)
16:07 ashleyb I'm trying to understand the disjunctive and conjunctive types of 'any()' & 'all()', so I'm working through some examples in Perl 5 in http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Quantum-Super​positions-1.03/lib/Quantum/Superpositions.pm -- I'm trying the 'True love' example, but I cannot figure it out, is that a typo in damian's example or should it work.  Here's what I'm playing with: http://sial.org/pbot/25493
16:07 lambdabot Title: Quantum::Superpositions - QM-like superpositions in Perl - search.cpan.org, http://tinyurl.com/6xa3d
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16:08 ashleyb no matter what I try to put in the if() statement there to match '$ideal'  it won't match
16:08 ashleyb any suggestions?
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16:11 ashleyb is there a way to match a superposition of the form   'all(any(@a), any(@b))'
16:12 ashleyb ehh excuse me, I meant 'any(all(@a), all(@b))'
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16:18 rindolf ashleyb: if you have != then yes.
16:18 ashleyb hmm
16:19 ashleyb but from what I can see, they will always be not equal, as in 'any(all(1,2), all(3,4)) != all(@x)' is always true
16:19 ashleyb for all values of @x
16:19 ashleyb and even any values of @x
16:20 ashleyb same goes for: 'any(all(1,2), all(3,4)) != any(@x)'
16:21 rindolf ashleyb: or < or whatever.
16:21 rindolf ashleyb: or myfunc(any(all,all)) == something.
16:22 rindolf Assuming Damian's Q-S module go as far.
16:22 ashleyb yeah, so am I right in thinking damian's example is misleading?
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16:24 ashleyb basically this is always true:   all(@x) != all(@y)  # even when @x := @y
16:24 ashleyb hmm
16:24 ashleyb maybe that's not true
16:24 ashleyb if @x only has one value
16:25 ashleyb and or if: @x := @y = (any(@set), any(@set));
16:25 ashleyb but assuming the values of @x are not junctive types
16:26 ashleyb and that @x has more than one value, that 'all(@x) != all(@x)'
16:27 ashleyb qed:    I conclude Damian's example is wrong.
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17:17 gaal anyone know how to get svnbot to start with reporting old commits?
17:17 moritz no, just don't do that ;)
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17:18 [particle] gaal: trolling for karma?
17:18 gaal heh. for continuity and transparency
17:19 gaal we'd lost about a week's worth of announcements
17:21 moritz just re-enable trac
17:21 moritz then anybody can see them online
17:21 gaal irc isn't online enough for you? :)
17:21 moritz ;)
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17:29 [particle] is the svn log available online?
17:30 gaal modulo trac :/
17:30 moritz not as long as trac is disable
17:31 [particle] how about svnweb, does that give a log?
17:31 [particle] too bad if it doesn't
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17:49 avar svn::www ftw
17:50 rindolf Hi gaal
17:50 rindolf Hi avar
17:51 rindolf avar: does SVN::WWW give you URL translation - right-clickable URLs of the actual repository.
17:51 rindolf a?
17:51 rindolf avar: that's one killer feature of SVN::RaWeb::Light (my own module) that I didn't see implemented anywhere.
17:56 avar I don't remember, but I'm sure it's trivial to add
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19:51 Aankhen`` Henceforth, I shall refer to ?? !! as "nod-nod shake-shake".
20:03 thoughtpolice @remember Aankhen`` Henceforth, I shall refer to ?? !! as "nod-nod shake-shake".
20:03 lambdabot Done.
20:03 thoughtpolice :)
20:03 Aankhen`` ^_^
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20:47 riffraff hi
20:49 offby1 so they say.
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22:56 ron__ ?say "running"
22:56 lambdabot Maybe you meant: faq map slap src
22:57 [particle] ?eval say "running"
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22:57 evalbot_r16653 OUTPUT[running␤] Bool::True
22:57 ron__ ?eval say "running"
22:57 evalbot_r16653 OUTPUT[running␤] Bool::True
23:00 ron__ ?eval class Bozzle {has $.a = 2; has $!a = 4;} my $c = Bozzle.new; say $c.a;
23:00 Tene ?eval say "running"
23:00 evalbot_r16653 OUTPUT[4␤] Bool::True
23:00 evalbot_r16653 OUTPUT[running␤] Bool::True
23:00 ron__ anyone see the problem with the Bozzle class line I just posted ?
23:01 Tene You're trying to have a public and private variable with the same name.
23:02 ron__ It originally came from redefining a class.  I could understand an error but returning the assignment to the private var seems surprising to me.
23:03 [particle] yes, that seems like it should emit a warning, or throw an exception
23:03 olliej|disguise changed the nick to weinigLap
23:03 [particle] (probably the latter, although the former is an exception, too)
23:06 ron__ I have a few other similar examples.  If there is no objection I will probably post on perl6-compiler.
23:07 [particle] please do. feel free to write failing tests, check them in, and post.
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23:16 meppl good night

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