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r16700 | lwall++ | more tutorial whackage |
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Eidolos |
can someone send me a commit bit? sartak gmail.com |
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TimToady |
attempting to load commitbit |
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TimToady |
what do you want for a user name? |
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Eidolos |
sartak please :) |
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Eidolos |
and thanks! |
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TimToady |
hmm, load avg is 9 on feather, so it's marginal at the moment |
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TimToady |
in theory is send a bit now |
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TimToady |
*sending |
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Eidolos |
OK, I'll keep an eye on my inbox |
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Eidolos |
got it, thanks again :) |
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TimToady |
good, webpage hasn't returned yet... |
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Eidolos |
yeah I'm still loading the URL it gave me |
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TimToady |
I slightly niced audreyt's pugs build processes, so load avg seems to be dropping a bit |
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TimToady |
on the other hand, I saw a "trac" process... |
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TimToady |
no, it was a trac disable, nevermind |
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Eidolos |
hehe |
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Eidolos |
ooh, got a <title>! |
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TimToady |
anyway, usual spiel, add yourself to AUTHORS as first commit, welcome aboard! |
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dances |
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moritz: I appreciate the sentiment, but all I've done is to tweak the JavaScript. The smartlinks are agentzh's baby. :-) |
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Aankhen`` |
moritz: For the IRC logs, instead of inserting spaces in URIs, how about truncating them instead? |
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svnbot6 |
r16701 | Darren_Duncan++ | ext/Muldis-DB/ : this is the Perl 6 equivalent of what will end up on CPAN as Muldis::DB version 0.0.0 for Perl 5 |
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ibrown |
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Aankhen``: no, truncating URLs would be an information loss |
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Aankhen`` |
moritz: Not if they're linked. You show the truncated version, link to the full version. |
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Aankhen`` |
<a href="http://this.is.a.really.long.d[…].just.a.link.href">http://this.is.a.really…/</a> |
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lambdabot |
http://this.is.a.really.long.d[…].just.a.link.href">http://this.is.a.really…/</a> |
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* Aankhen`` |
stares at lambdabot |
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Aankhen`` |
. |
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Aankhen`` |
< and > really oughtn't to be matched as part of a URI. |
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Aankhen`` |
" and ' probably shouldn't either. |
| 07:26 |
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moritz |
Aankhen``: I'm not entirely convinced... as soon as somebody constructs an example URL to show somebody how to pass GET parameters to cpan (or something) that will look weird in the logs... |
| 07:26 |
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moritz |
Aankhen``: but I'll moose about it for a while ;) |
| 07:26 |
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Aankhen`` |
True… it just seemed weird to have URIs broken up by inserting spaces. |
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moritz |
does HTML have any "break-but-not-display"-spaces? |
| 07:28 |
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moritz |
kind of inverted nobreakspace? |
| 07:28 |
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Aankhen`` |
Unicode has soft hyphens, but the problem is that they're not very well supported in browsers. |
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hates browsers |
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Aankhen`` |
Heh. |
| 07:29 |
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moritz |
the absence of browser would make web design much more easy ;) |
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Aankhen`` |
LOL. |
| 07:30 |
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moritz |
Aankhen``: I assume you know http://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/images/breakdown.png ? |
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Aankhen`` |
ROTFLMAO. |
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Aankhen`` |
Very accurate. |
| 07:30 |
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Aankhen`` |
Though I'd take out the "swearing" bit for me, but the rest are fine. |
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moritz |
I can confirm even the swearing ;) |
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Aankhen`` |
Heh. |
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Aankhen`` |
Hmm. |
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Aankhen`` |
moritz: On a tangentially related note, what about using a fixed-width font for the logs? :-) |
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moritz |
Aankhen``: good idea |
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Aankhen`` |
May I recommend: font-family: Consolas, "Lucida Console", "Courier New", monospace; |
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Aankhen``: you are welcome to add that the CSS file ;) |
| 07:36 |
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Aankhen`` |
(I can't remember the suggested font for Linux, for some reason.) |
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* Aankhen`` |
gets to it. |
| 07:36 |
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moritz |
monospace will do on linux ;) |
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Aankhen`` |
A'right. |
| 07:37 |
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moritz |
I like the "verdana bitstream" fonts on linux, there is monospace version of that as well |
| 07:37 |
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Aankhen`` |
Hmm, I don't think that was the one I was thinking of. |
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Tene |
moritz: quite accurate! ;) |
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moritz |
Aankhen``: btw the changes will not appear until I do a 'svn up' on my server, so don't dispair if it doesn't seem to work ;) |
| 07:38 |
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Aankhen`` |
No sweat. |
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Aankhen`` |
Mind if I do some hacking on it in general? |
| 07:39 |
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Aankhen`` |
I get an itch in my fingers every time I see HTML. |
| 07:39 |
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moritz |
go right ahead |
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Aankhen`` |
Yey. |
| 07:39 |
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Aankhen`` |
OK. |
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moritz |
HTML-Junky ;) |
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svnbot6 |
r16702 | Aankhen++ | misc/irclog/cgi: |
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svnbot6 |
r16702 | Aankhen++ | * fixed a typo. |
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svnbot6 |
r16702 | Aankhen++ | * use a fixed-width font for the logs. |
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moritz |
I'm not sure if that's more readable |
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moritz |
anyway, I'm off to receive my examination results... or something ;) |
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Aankhen`` |
moritz: Good luck. :-) |
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Aankhen`` |
moritz: I dunno, IRC logs just look weird to me in variable-width fonts. I guess it's a personal preference. |
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moritz |
@tell Aankhen`` let's just wait for more feedback |
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lambdabot |
Consider it noted. |
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Aankhen`` |
moritz: One thing to consider, though, is that code looks rotten in variable-width fonts. :-P |
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moritz |
right |
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moritz, Aankhen``: I like the fixed-width font :-) |
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Aankhen`` |
:-D |
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moritz |
Aankhen``++ |
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Aankhen`` |
moritz++ # I just tweaked it, the work was all yours, as always ;-) |
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moritz |
Aankhen``: humble as always... but you _did_ commit the fixed font change ;) |
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Aankhen`` |
Well, yes, but the point is that as usual, I merely refined on someone else's work. It's like someone else builds a car and I polish the door handles. |
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moritz |
and if people like polished door handles, they credit you |
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moritz |
it's that easy ;) |
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Aankhen`` |
^_^ |
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Aankhen`` |
I meant to hack on the page some more, but I got sidetracked. |
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masak |
moritz: more feedback: I prefer fixed-width, by far |
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masak |
especially code and ASCII art are a lot nicer |
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moritz |
masak: thank you |
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moritz |
so it's 3:0 for fixed with font, my own vote not included (because I'm not sure yet) |
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moritz |
s/with/width/ |
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mooses about using single line substitution regexes to modify the previous line of the author ;) |
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Aankhen`` |
Well, see if this makes you feel any differently: I would not suggest for a second that a fixed-width font is more readable than a variable-width font, but I think fixed-width is much better where there's any chance of code or otherwise alignment-sensitive text. |
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is convinced ;) |
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Aankhen`` |
Heh. |
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Aankhen`` |
Regarding substitution regexes: it's a great idea, but people seem to be way too loose with the syntax they use. :-P |
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moritz |
I know, I wasn't entirely serious about them ;) |
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Aankhen`` |
Ah well. |
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Aankhen`` |
It would be nice to have, though. |
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Aankhen`` |
Except for data loss, of course. |
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Aankhen`` |
Wait, you wouldn't have to lose data. |
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Aankhen`` |
`ins` and `del` to the rescue! |
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moritz |
s/^.*$// |
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moritz |
and doing a diff, YaY |
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Aankhen`` |
Indeed. ^_^ |
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moritz |
only nerds get such an idea ;) |
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Aankhen`` |
Hey, you're in #perl6 now buddy. You don't get to use the N word! |
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moritz |
for me that's not negatively connotated |
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Aankhen`` |
Ah. |
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Aankhen`` |
I always thought of "nerd" as a rather negative word. |
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Aankhen`` |
"geek" seemed to be the positive oen. |
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Aankhen`` |
One, even. |
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moritz |
maybe my notion is just screwed up ;) |
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moritz |
ok, s/nerd/geek/ ;-) |
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Aankhen`` |
Nah, it seems to be a debatable thing. |
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Aankhen`` |
I've come across the alternative viewpoint in the past. |
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Aankhen`` |
s/debatable/subjective/, sorry. |
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Aankhen`` |
Hmm, topic should probably point to the logs too. |
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moritz |
why? |
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moritz |
pugscode.org points there |
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Aankhen`` |
Ah, good point. |
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Aankhen`` |
Pun not intended. |
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moritz |
;) |
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moritz |
of course not ;) |
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?eval <org pugscode irc>.reverse.join: '.' |
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"irc.pugscode.org" |
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gaal |
moose! |
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moritz |
mosse indeed! |
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gaal |
hey moritz :) |
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moritz |
hi hi |
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gaal |
happy solstice |
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moritz |
ah, right |
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moritz |
thanks ;) |
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gaal |
it's all downhill from here... |
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moritz |
yes, on sunday I'll go down to the south ;) |
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moritz |
and enjoy the warmth in germany ;) |
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moritz |
but that's not what you meant, i presume |
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gaal |
urrr, here it's warm enough |
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gaal |
heh, I meant I like long days, and now they'll start getting shorter. |
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moritz |
here in edinburgh it's around 15..20°C |
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[particle] |
16hrs of daylight today here |
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gaal |
oh, you're in Embra? what a nice city |
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moritz |
only on the northern hemisphere |
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moritz |
gaal: yes, one year of studying abroad |
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gaal |
yeah, bsb's probably glad it'll start getting longer |
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moritz |
gaal: and atm the debconf is here ;) |
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gaal |
oh, cool |
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gaal |
looks like I'm missing OSCON by an inch |
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moritz |
the other day I heard some interesting talks... about opensolars+debian, fully automated installers and other fancy stuff ;) |
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gaal |
mmm, DTrace... |
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moritz |
and ZFS |
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moritz |
but they have some evis stuff there as well |
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moritz |
depending on an evinronment variable, the call either linux- or solaris binaries |
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moritz |
that understand different command line options |
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gaal |
/usr/ucb ps aux |
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gaal |
s, ,/, |
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pmurias |
hi |
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fglock |
pmurias: hi |
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gaal |
hey pmurias, fglock |
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svnbot6 |
r16703 | moritz++ | [irclog] added paging to the search results, on agentzh++'s request |
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moritz |
I guess the search is so slow because I don't have any index on any columns |
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moritz |
is there a "mysql indexes for dummies"-Tutorial somewhere? |
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pmurias |
fglock: i read your Request for kp6 architecture review |
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fglock |
pmurias: you are the first person to admit it |
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pmurias |
;) |
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moritz |
I think pmichaud admitteted it indirectly as well ;) |
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moritz |
is that a property of persons who's nick start with ^pm? |
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pmurias |
the visitor pattern seems fine to me, defining the ast in EmitPerl6 and EmitPerl5 is a bit strange |
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fglock |
pmurias: yes, this needs a rearrange |
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pmurias |
putting COMPILER:: in a seperate file might help kp6-perl5.pl a bit more readeable |
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pmurias |
not sure where should it be placed |
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fglock |
pmurias: I mean to translate it to mp6, for reusability - it belongs to the compiler, not the runtime |
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pmurias |
kp6-perl5 or COMPILER::? |
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fglock |
both, actually - but COMPILER is more important; kp6-perl5 is a bit perl5-specific |
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fglock |
I've got a looong list of to-do tasks - that's why I decided to pause and make a grand plan |
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fglock |
the roadmap is already obsolete, btw |
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fglock |
the critical path is no longer the regex engine; it can reuse PGE/PCR; the kp6-regex will only be needed by JVM and the like |
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fglock |
same for the object system, with parrot-OO and perl5-Moose |
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fglock |
this will simplify things |
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fglock |
jvm/javascript/python can be developed as bonus tasks |
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fglock |
and this will likely increase the collaboration with the parrot team |
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fglock |
lunch & |
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pmurias |
kp6-perl5 should report syntax error instead of die'ing with a strange error message |
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pmurias |
s/syntax/a syntax/ |
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svnbot6 |
r16704 | pmurias++ | syntax error reporting |
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pmurias |
argh.. forgot kp6- prefix in the log message.. |
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fglock |
pmurias: ping |
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fglock |
pmurias: in case you backlog: |
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fglock |
about "defining the ast in EmitPerl6 and EmitPerl5 is a bit strange", |
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fglock |
the AST is not defined there, it's a kind of "aspect oriented programming" |
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fglock |
it's telling the nodes how to emit code |
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moritz |
pmurias++ # contributing to kp6 |
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pmurias |
fglock: pong |
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ibrown |
weee |
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pmurias |
weeee |
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ibrown |
how goes this am? |
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[particle] |
wiii |
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fglock |
pmurias: did you see what I said about EmitPerl6? |
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pmurias |
yes |
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pmurias |
but the generated code defines it none the less |
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pmurias |
it could be a source of confusion if someone changes one of the definition without the other |
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fglock |
you mean the acessors? yes, that's a mistake |
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fglock |
hmm - right, I can't detect this kind of error |
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ibrown |
if i were to take an image, ftp that image, then remove that image. with a simple like few line perl script, how would i ensure the delete doesn't happen before the transfer completes? |
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ibrown |
may sound stupid yes. but sometimes it appears the delete happens before the ftp finishes. is that what "callbacks" should be used for? |
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pmurias |
when is EmitPerl6 used? |
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pmurias |
does one have to explicitly mark reopening of classes in perl6? |
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fglock |
I don't think so |
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fglock |
re EmitPerl6 - looking |
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pmurias |
a grep dosn't find anything |
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pmurias |
sorry mistake, it does |
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fglock |
pmurias: it looks like it is used for implementing Code.perl() only |
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pmurias |
i'll add an --perl6 flag |
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fglock |
ok |
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fglock |
ibrown: re ftp, I don't think you can get that information |
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moritz |
but on linux that shouldn't be a problem if the transfer isn't aborted.. you can call unlink() on an open filehandle without destroying something |
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mico |
got the book on Perl6 an Parrot from Amazon today. I love it, It makes Perl seem simple :-9 |
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TimToady |
'course, I'm just in the process of fixing all that. :) |
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moritz |
mico: that was open sourced the other day ;) |
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svnbot6 |
r16705 | pmurias++ | kp6 - --perl6 flag |
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moritz |
mico: and indeed it is easy - at least parts of it ;) |
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TimToady |
moritz: you can occasionally get into trouble with NFS |
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mico |
I am thinking a lot about Perl 6, I have to write a 200 page book in Italian |
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moritz |
TimToady: yes, NFS is evil ;) |
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TimToady |
and Windows is a different animal completely |
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TimToady |
usually you run into a hard lock there |
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moritz |
I won't comment an Windows' evilness ;) |
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args |
what about VMS then. |
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moritz |
I don't know anything about it, just that it exists ;) |
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moritz |
and it has a reputation for being... different as well ;) |
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TimToady |
biab & |
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* pmurias |
wishes he could get VML working with IE under wine ;) |
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fglock |
pmurias: if you want to take a look at another point, we were discussing yesterday: http://moritz.faui2k3.org/ircl[…]007-06-20#id_l547 |
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lambdabot |
Title: IRC log for #perl6, 2007-06-20, http://tinyurl.com/22mkm6 |
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fglock |
this is about the way kp6 processes BEGIN blocks |
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pmurias |
i need too make a breake from the computer(vision getting blury), so i'll likely look into it tomorrow |
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pmurias |
bye& |
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fglock |
omg, is it a kp6 side-effect? |
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mico |
args, last time I touched VMS I did a mail merge in Fortran. Looked like windows but much better |
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ibrown |
Net::FTP needs a callback of sorts |
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diakopter |
twimc: http://www.artima.com/weblogs/[…]jsp?thread=208549 |
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Title: Python 3000 Status Update (Long!) |
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moritz_ |
re |
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ibrown |
hey moritz, can you peep a url for me right quick tell me why the loop might be roxored? |
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ibrown |
http://sial.org/pbot/25707 |
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lambdabot |
Title: Paste #25707 from "ibrown" at 63.175.130.15 |
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moritz_ |
peeping... |
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ibrown |
thanks man |
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ibrown |
its annoying. |
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moritz_ |
which of these is line 23? |
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ibrown |
the while loop |
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ibrown |
sorry |
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moritz_ |
sorry, but I can't tell that without context and testing |
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moritz_ |
first you should try to get rid of that warning - it tells you that something is terribly wrong |
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moritz_ |
do you 'use strict; use warnings;' ? |
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ibrown |
yeah |
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ibrown |
2 secs |
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moritz_ |
and for the looping.. maybe if you transfer in text mode, some line endings may change, thus never resulting in equally sized files |
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ibrown |
cause the way it's setup right now, i lose some images. |
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ibrown |
like 1/2 the image on occasion |
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ibrown |
i'm assuming cause the ftp session disconnected. |
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moritz_ |
ibrown: I think your approach is wrong.. transmit all data, then check on the remote host if it was transfered OK, and only then delete data |
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ibrown |
i'm using net::ftp tho |
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ibrown |
so isn't ftp->put($file) equiv. of doing it that way? |
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ibrown |
or does that method not have a callback -> launches process of sending, and goes to next line in script |
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moritz_ |
you should test the return status of ftp->put |
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ibrown |
with eval? |
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moritz_ |
no |
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moritz_ |
my $return_status = $ftp->put($file) |
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ibrown |
sorry, i suck at error checking |
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ibrown |
then if return_status = 1 it's success tru? |
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moritz_ |
at least that's what I'm guessing while skimming over the docs |
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moritz_ |
ibrown: no. Read that documentation |
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ibrown |
kk 2 secs |
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moritz_ |
it tells you what it returns on success |
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ibrown |
ugh. it's annoying, i got this db to rebuild and i have to fix this damn script i shouldn't have written the way i wrote it months and months ago lol |
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ibrown |
oh so it says it returns the remote filename if none was given |
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ibrown |
so i guess that means the value would be the filename passed to put |
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ibrown |
is that a syntaxual thing, where, the cmd waits for eval when you store result into array? |
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ibrown |
or is that just me being a retard newb? |
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ibrown |
oh shit |
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ibrown |
you know what |
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ibrown |
the ftp_put routine. |
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ibrown |
after the put ,i had $ftp->quit |
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ibrown |
i'm a moron |
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ibrown |
dammit |
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moritz_ |
ibrown: I don't know that ftp_put is, never seen its definition |
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moritz_ |
s/that/what/ |
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ibrown |
its my home-grown routine |
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ibrown |
sub ftp_put($){ |
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ibrown |
my ($filename,$ftp) = @_; |
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ibrown |
print $filename, "\t:filename\n"; |
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ibrown |
my $put_return = $ftp->put($filename) |
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ibrown |
or die "Cannot get file $filename \n", $ftp->message; |
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ibrown |
print $put_return, " is the return\n"; |
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ibrown |
#$ftp->quit; |
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ibrown |
} |
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ibrown |
just the simple put. j00 kno |
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ibrown |
i like to organize the code into 2 sections. |
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moritz_ |
sorry, but you are doing bs here ;) |
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moritz_ |
compare the first two lines |
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ibrown |
no i'm all about help homey. |
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moritz_ |
ftp_put($) declares it needs one parameter |
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ibrown |
i've taught myself perl as much as i know it now, without mailing lists/irc or people to teach me |
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moritz_ |
and in the next you are reading two parameters out of @_ |
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ibrown |
yeah, i just changed the script adding a function for connect/disconnect |
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moritz_ |
no, your general concept is fine, only these two lines are bogging me |
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ibrown |
oh |
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ibrown |
yeah i was adjusting the paramaters, added the ftp_put require $ftp variable |
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ibrown |
so i could do the actual connect earlier, and pass the var around. |
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ibrown |
previously, the whole foreach of files was one routine, and it would chop images off |
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pasteling |
"ibrown" at 63.175.130.15 pasted "Whole Bo-Bo" (68 lines, 1.6K) at http://sial.org/pbot/25708 |
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ibrown |
that's the URL to the whole thing |
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ibrown |
so you can kinda get a grasp as to what i was trying to explain. |
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ibrown |
i know i didn't need a heredoc either, i just like them kinda |
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ibrown |
i think that'll work now tho correctly, hopefully the picdesk will get off my ass now |
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ibrown |
awesome. its chugging along now. |
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Coke |
Gothmog_: you're not andrew, are you? |
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Coke |
evalbot_r16702: say undef.WHAT |
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Coke |
?eval say undef.WHAT |
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OUTPUT[Scalar] Bool::True |
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Coke |
?eval say some_missing_func() |
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Error: No such subroutine: &some_missing_func |
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r16706 | fglock++ | [kp6] fixed <?? !!> in EmitPerl6 output |
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r16707 | fglock++ | [kp6] kp6-perl5.pl - AST handling cleanup |
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Juerd |
It's never gonna make it in 5 :) |
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wolverian |
uh oh, feather's rebooting.. everyone /layout save; /save quickly! |
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Juerd |
It's so damned slow :( |
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wolverian |
what is? |
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Juerd |
feather |
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wolverian |
oh. yeah. |
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Juerd |
I still don't know what exactly makes it so slow. |
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Juerd |
memory test goes well, harddisks work at full speed, raid array works at full speed, the system is responsive |
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Juerd |
Network works well and at low latency |
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Juerd |
But *programs* go wrong |
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Juerd |
There's no rootkit, according to two checkers |
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wolverian |
maybe a reboot will fix it :) |
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Juerd |
It's been rebooted before |
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Juerd |
Creating ramfs... |
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Juerd |
This may break at reboot :( |
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Juerd |
initrd needs modules, I don't know which. |
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Juerd |
Let's hope udev is sufficient |
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wolverian |
sounds scary, whatever you're doing |
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Juerd |
Argh. I'm just stopping the timer |
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Juerd |
Until it's done |
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Juerd |
I hadn't expected it to be so slow during update-initramfs |
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Juerd |
Feather problem found |
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TimToady |
board order on bus? |
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Juerd |
Defective memory module |
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TimToady |
ah |
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Juerd |
Was still working, but incredibly slowing down the entire system |
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TimToady |
continuous interrupts, likely... |
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Juerd |
The thing was too hot to touch initially - 75 celcius. |
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Juerd |
[IR thermometer]++ |
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Juerd |
So feather is up with 1 GB now. |
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TimToady |
if something interrupts continuously it can appear to work but interfere with everything... |
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Juerd |
Better to have little RAM at usable speed than lots of RAM without being able to use it :) |
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TimToady |
anyway, yay |
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Juerd |
Does anyone want to donate RAM? :) |
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TimToady |
I only have CAMEL |
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moritz_ |
Juerd: is there a chance to reactivate trac? |
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Juerd |
There's probably a pun in there, but I don't recognise it :) |
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juerd: fb-dimms? |
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Juerd |
moritz_: Let's see what happens if we do that :) |
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Juerd |
pasteling: DDR1 |
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moritz_ |
Juerd: and perhaps forbid it with robots.txt to reduce load |
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Juerd |
If only I could remember how I disabled it :) |
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TimToady |
the other day I saw a process name that say something like perl.disable.trac |
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*said |
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Juerd |
Yes, I see the file, but don't know how it's called :) |
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meppl |
good night |
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Juerd |
Ah. I didn't do this :) |
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TimToady |
hmm, http://commitbit.pugscode.org/[…]oject/Pugs/people gets a proxy error |
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TimToady |
so does the bare name |
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Juerd |
moritz_: Trac is enabled now. |
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TimToady |
"connection refused" |
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Juerd |
But it's still dog slow. |
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TimToady |
did you change IP addr? |
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Juerd |
TimToady: No. It probably means that someone, a user, hasn't made their webserver reboot proof. |
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TimToady |
odd to get a connection refused from it if that's the case |
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Juerd |
Not really. |
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Juerd |
That just means there's nothing listening on the specified port |
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Juerd |
Which is port 6666 |
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* daxim_ |
gets his kicks on port 6666 |
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TimToady |
on feather? |
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Juerd |
TimToady: Yes. |
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Juerd |
I don't know who had a server running on that port |
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TimToady |
commitbit.pugscode.org and feather.perl6.nl are the same machine! |
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TimToady |
oh, I understand what you were saying earlier now. it's commitbit itself that isn't rebootproof |
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TimToady |
hmm |
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moritz_ |
but at least it replies fast ;) |
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* Juerd |
tries to backup the data again |
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Juerd |
That hasn't worked the past few days |
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Juerd |
It took more than a day to do just the root filesystem, without the homedirs... |
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moritz_ |
btw speaking of load... one of the packages.debian.org servers had a load of > 3000 shortly after reboot ;) |
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Juerd |
Wow |
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Juerd |
Highest I've ever seen is 1015 |
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moritz_ |
not too bad either ;) |
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moritz_ |
fork while fork ;-) |
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moritz_ |
and you're there... but then you can't run `uptime` any more to monitor it *g* |
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Juerd |
Uhhuh |
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Juerd |
This was on an actual production machine, dieing from broken hardware |
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Juerd |
The output of uptime(1) was the last thing it ever displayed before it crashed showing a 80x25 grid of colourful random characters, some of them blinking |
| 22:37 |
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TimToady |
I think we want to run /data/svn/commitbit as user www-data, probably. does anyone else know any better? |
| 22:38 |
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Juerd |
I think /data/svn/* is the repository and must not be executed |
| 22:38 |
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TimToady |
hmm |
| 22:38 |
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Juerd |
There's probably a checkout somewhere |
| 22:38 |
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TimToady |
probably audreyt's copy then |
| 22:39 |
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Juerd |
Perhaps :) |
| 22:39 |
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Juerd |
Will at least be safer to try |
| 22:40 |
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TimToady |
but I do know it was running as user www-data, not as audreyt |
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moritz_ |
why shouldn't programs in the repository be executed? |
| 22:43 |
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Juerd |
moritz_: Because it may detect from where it's running, and drop state files there. |
| 22:46 |
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moritz_ |
Juerd: good point |
| 22:46 |
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Juerd |
Or worse: change them :) |
| 22:47 |
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Juerd |
I don't think svn likes it when you start changing its data without notifying it :) |
| 22:47 |
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Juerd |
Which is one of the reasons that I want to make feather a virtual machine of which I can take snapshots |
| 22:47 |
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Juerd |
Another reason is that I can then reboot the hardware without rebooting the operating system you guys use. |
| 22:48 |
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Juerd |
Which, given how "well" people make things reboot proof, would be a great improvement. |
| 22:48 |
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Juerd |
But it first needs more memory :) |
| 22:48 |
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Juerd |
And, when it runs xen, important things can be moved to a more secure virtual machine |
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TimToady |
there is only one executable commitbit on the machine, it seems, and that's in /data |
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TimToady |
(according to locate) |
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TimToady |
possibly it's run under some other name, like jifty... |
| 22:56 |
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Juerd |
TimToady: But locate's database hasn't been updated in a while, because of load issues. It's currently updating, but scanning the entire filesystem takes a while |
| 22:59 |
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TimToady |
ah, that might explain why I'm getting more results as time goes on... |
| 22:59 |
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moritz_ |
feather's "fast" again, p6-on-parrot passing sanity, more life on p6l and p6c - looks like a good time for perl 6 |
| 22:59 |
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Juerd |
Nah, someone's just hacking a lot of code in a very short time span |
| 23:00 |
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Juerd |
moritz_: As for real speed, a hardware upgrade would be nice but since I'm almost bankrupt, I can't do that |
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Juerd |
So it's "fast", not fast. |
| 23:00 |
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moritz_ |
Juerd: I know |
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Juerd |
I'd like to upgrade it to a dual core system with 4 GB ram, one day. |
| 23:01 |
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moritz_ |
Juerd: you should ask if you could get a microgrant for hardware, as you already pondered |
| 23:01 |
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Juerd |
Yea |
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moritz_ |
and pmichaud gained a few contributers, thats (perl6)++ as well ;) |
| 23:02 |
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moritz_ |
and fglock gained a kp6-contributer ;) |
| 23:04 |
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TimToady |
hmm, root is running two finds at once. that's gotta hurt... |
| 23:04 |
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Juerd |
Cache should make it not hurt. |
| 23:04 |
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Tene |
presuming they're accessing the same parts at the same time, or that all accessed parts completely fit into cache. |
| 23:05 |
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TimToady |
maybe they're on different filesystems... |
| 23:05 |
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diakopter |
I started mine before Juerd's :P |
| 23:05 |
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TimToady |
nope, they look identical |
| 23:05 |
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diakopter |
updatedb, I mean |
| 23:05 |
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Juerd |
diakopter: You're also running updatedb. |
| 23:05 |
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Juerd |
Heh. |
| 23:05 |
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Juerd |
I'm killing mine then. |
| 23:06 |
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TimToady |
sigh...once an SA, always an SA... :) |
| 23:06 |
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Juerd |
SA? |
| 23:06 |
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TimToady |
Sysadmin |
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TimToady |
sez someone who spent an inordinate amount of time upgrading to F7 over the last week |
| 23:07 |
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TimToady |
and still can't get gnome working on his laptop... |
| 23:09 |
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Juerd |
And trac, I don't know how it was written, in what language and using what methods |
| 23:09 |
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Juerd |
But it SUCKS, performance-wise. |
| 23:09 |
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diakopter |
python |
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Juerd |
My god, that's a heavy CGI. |
| 23:10 |
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Juerd |
The CGI regularly uses up to 45 MB of RAM, and takes a few *seconds* to load. |
| 23:10 |
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Juerd |
I saw it has a fcgi equivalent. Anyone interested in making it work with that? |
| 23:11 |
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diakopter |
either fcgi or mod_python would help... |
| 23:13 |
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diakopter |
hmm well, current lore dictates the use of tracd |
| 23:14 |
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diakopter |
(over mod_python and fcgi) |
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Juerd |
diakopter: Can you make that happen? |
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Juerd |
I'm off to bed |
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Juerd |
Good night, or whichever localtime! |
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diakopter |
Juerd: ok |
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moritz_ |
Juerd: sleep well ;) |
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diakopter |
updatedb runneth still |
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Juerd |
<micrograntsperl.org>: |
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Juerd |
63.251.223.176 does not like recipient. |
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Juerd |
Remote host said: 550 the lights are out (sf) |
| 23:37 |
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Juerd |
Giving up on 63.251.223.176. |
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Juerd |
obra: Do you know why microgransperl.org isn't functional (see previous 4 lines) |
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Juerd |
afk |
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