Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2007-06-28

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03:44 svnbot6 r16766 | Darren_Duncan++ | ext/Muldis-DB/ : misc small updates to docs, mainly in DB.pm, Copying.pod, README, Changes
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05:03 stanrifkin when come perl 6?
05:03 stanrifkin near future or takes it a long time?
05:04 Aankhen`` Perl 6 is here now. :-)
05:05 stanrifkin my $third = @array[2];
05:05 stanrifkin this irritate me
05:05 Tene stanrifkin: howso?
05:06 stanrifkin isnt that a break in singularity and plural... principle?
05:06 Tene stanrifkin: what about it irritates you?
05:06 Tene stanrifkin: no, it's not
05:06 stanrifkin hm....
05:06 Tene stanrifkin: the [] select a single element from the plural @array
05:07 stanrifkin yes clear
05:07 stanrifkin i know what the code means
05:08 stanrifkin but when i access @array[2]
05:08 stanrifkin the @ means for me more then one
05:08 Aankhen`` That's because you're not thinking of it right. ;-)
05:09 Aankhen`` @array is an independent noun.
05:09 lambdabot Shiver me timbers!
05:09 Aankhen`` @okaylambdabot
05:09 lambdabot Unknown command, try @list
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05:11 stanrifkin but in my book (Camelbook) it is also described
05:11 stanrifkin when you handle a scalar write $
05:11 stanrifkin and @array[2] is a scalar
05:12 Tene stanrifkin: once you learn the associated rules, they're about equal.  It's been demonstrated that the rule Perl 6 uses is easier to learn and easier to use in general.  They're both equally valid ways of looking at things in general.
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06:46 Aankhen`` Wha? O_O
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06:54 wolverian wait.. buu got k-lined?
06:59 Aankhen`` Yeah, I think buubot got hit pretty badly.
07:01 dduncan don't you just love free speech?
07:03 Aankhen`` For me, yes. :-)
07:03 Aankhen`` For everyone else, no.
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07:34 svnbot6 r16767 | Darren_Duncan++ | ext/Muldis-DB/ : updated the docs to reflect the official typography for the names 'TTM' and 'D' in DB.pm, Language.pod, SeeAlso.pod
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08:01 pmurias hi all
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08:54 dmwaters {global notice} Good day all, In about 15 minutes to half an hour i'm going to begin maintenence on a few servers. About 5000 total users will be affected by this and this should not take long at all. I will give any further information in wallops, /mode your_nick w if you wish to see any further info.
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09:13 wolverian ugh, why does ssh try to ask my password to bar with ssh-askpass when I do ssh foo ssh bar :( stop losing the terminal, silly!
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12:52 TimToady note to hackathoners: the cullen facility is probably not where it is
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12:56 wolverian so where is the cullen facility then?! :)
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13:04 spinclad it is elsewhere than where it is
13:05 spinclad it's not where it's at
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13:52 kolibrie TimToady: if I don't see you before you or I depart, it's been great hanging out in real life
13:53 * kolibrie means in real life at YAPC, not mortal life as a whole
13:54 TimToady I'll gladly take it either way.  :)
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13:54 kolibrie I suppose if either of us passes on, we'll meet up sometime in the afterlife
13:55 TimToady actually, only if both of us do.  :)
13:55 kolibrie my mom always says she does not plan to die
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13:56 TimToady I plan to live forever, or die trying...
13:56 TimToady off to airport &
13:56 kolibrie good flight!
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14:02 fglock "method results are always returned in the same order as the list of invocants",
14:02 fglock means @body.>>emit is usable
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14:04 fglock @body>>.emit
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14:07 pmurias fglock: hi
14:08 fglock pmurias: hi
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14:12 pmurias have you seen http://www.regex-engineer.or​g/slides/perl510_regex.html?
14:12 svnbot6 r16768 | fglock++ | [kp6] roadmap update
14:12 lambdabot Title: Perl 5.10 Advanced Regular Expressions
14:13 fglock pmurias: looking
14:13 pmurias the presentation mentions recursive regexes
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14:32 fglock pmurias: cool, it does fix several problems in p6regex-to-p5regex translation
14:34 fglock lunch &
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16:01 dmwaters {global notice} Good day all. It appears we had a bit of routing trouble with one of our european hubs, I've rerouted around it for now, so we'll see how well it behaves.:) Thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode!
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16:21 spinclad yeesh!
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16:22 [particle] Nick: Tot`GHoST (identified)
16:22 [particle] Username: n=TotGHoST@pear.derbynet.waw.pl
16:22 [particle] if somebody can set up a kickban it'd be appreciated
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16:24 [particle] great
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16:25 Exy denny, You need to ban about 8 masks
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16:25 [particle] Username: n=TotGHoST@pear.derbynet.waw.pl
16:25 denny I don't have authority to set bans in here - the channel owner hasn't invited network staff to intervene when he or she is absent
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16:25 LoRez 1they've been klined
16:26 Exy Ah, ok
16:26 Exy denny, Don't staff have overriding rights?
16:26 denny we have over-riding powers
16:26 denny that's not quite the same thing
16:26 MrGeneral Nice
16:26 MrGeneral they spam a lot
16:27 * SamB mumbles something about k-line
16:27 denny you'd be amazed how often people complain about staff interventions in channels that have been attacked
16:27 Exy denny, ... really? damn
16:27 * SamB mumbles something about adding ban powers to lambdabot
16:27 MrGeneral lol
16:27 MrGeneral >.<
16:27 Exy Why exactly do they hate TimToady so much?
16:27 kaether Who is the perl6 channel owner?
16:27 [particle] denny, i think we can arrange giving you rights
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16:27 [particle] it's audreyt i believe
16:27 denny autrijus
16:27 Exy The bot ended up spamming as badly as they did, heh
16:27 [particle] ah
16:29 denny [particle]: that would be handy.  If the owner could do this command, we can help out in future: /msg ChanServ access #perl6 add *!*@freenode/staff/* 10
16:30 [particle] thanks, denny. where do we find you if we need you?
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16:30 Exy [particle], Just shine the denny lamp into the sky
16:30 MrGeneral yea
16:30 denny /stats p
16:30 MrGeneral denny is cool
16:31 MrGeneral i guess
16:31 MrGeneral ^^
16:31 denny will show 'on duty' staff
16:31 [particle] i'll remember to keep it plugged in
16:31 denny or come in #freenode and yell for help  :)
16:31 [particle] ah, will do.
16:31 [particle] i went looking for #ircop, no avail
16:32 denny right, gotta run, boss keeps expecting me to do real work  ;)
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16:39 spinclad adding ban powers to lambdabot: makes a lot of sense, actually.  a Farm's worth of spammers start sending the same message, they each get banned after one or two shots...
16:40 spinclad tho then next i stutter @tell'ing someone something...
16:40 spinclad *next time
16:40 [particle] might get limbic_region banned if he keeps using net::irc
16:40 spinclad could be
16:41 spinclad though with regexes for Bad messages, i doubt he would trigger
16:42 spinclad these guys seem to stick to their theme
16:43 [particle] that's true
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17:12 svnbot6 r16769 | Util++ |  r16771@bruce-grays-computer:  bruce | 2007-06-28 11:44:06 -0500
17:12 svnbot6 r16769 | Util++ |  AUTHORS entry for new commiter: Bruce Gray (Util)
17:13 jjore bruce must be on wireless at the airport.
17:13 daxim_ since when does it mention a hostname there?
17:14 diakopter his svk added that, likely.
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17:18 [particle] yep, svk-ism
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18:18 dek0 o_o
18:19 franck__ hu
18:19 Com-Link|Admin you guys are under attack?
18:19 statico Apparently.
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18:19 Com-Link|Admin by who, ill teach m a lesson (i hack)
18:19 SubStack ...
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18:21 Com-Link|Admin someone hacked a server, that's not the ip, go to http://164.77.221.159/
18:21 lambdabot Title: MikroTik RouterOS Managing Webpage
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18:21 Com-Link|Admin ya
18:22 Com-Link|Admin good luck otherwise
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18:27 Util ?
18:27 [particle] botnet attack. nobody in channel with ops
18:27 lambdabot Consider it noted.
18:27 lambdabot Consider it noted.
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18:31 xerox no admins?
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18:31 [particle] nope. audreyt has ops but isn't around
18:32 ayrnieu ^ufcpl - your language sucks: http://tnx.nl/php
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18:33 PikAss lol
18:33 daxim_ what's so lol about this?
18:33 KillahPriest I use php.
18:33 KillahPriest That's what's so lol
18:33 KillahPriest ;p
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18:35 spinclad i couldn't tell if it thought xmas had come or not
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18:50 [particle] who programs svnbot?
18:50 [particle] ***Coke wishes that svnbot had a link to a viewcvs link that showed the diff.
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19:14 Tene maginot: ???
19:15 spinclad bah
19:16 sysdef ...
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19:16 sysdef ["DDC SEND BRAIN_TO_THE_SPAMER!!!"] !!!
19:16 sysdef lol
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19:17 sysdef what's up today? bored?
19:17 spinclad spam attax
19:17 Tene sysdef: check the log.  being spammed.
19:18 sysdef where are the OPs?
19:18 daxim never seen a +o here.
19:18 sysdef holiday?
19:19 spinclad op = autrijus = audreyt (busy with RL)
19:20 ayrnieu /msg chanserv access #perl6 list
19:21 sysdef lol @ last seen: 1 year 28 weeks 5 days (21h 54m 45s) ago
19:21 spinclad seen obra
19:21 buubot spinclad: Sorry, I haven't seen obra
19:25 * spinclad /msg'd obra_work
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19:28 svnbot6 r16770 | diakopter++ | updating google search form parameters to match the actual hostname
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19:37 avar @tell audreyt can you make some more ops on #perl6, trolls are annoying
19:37 avar oh hell
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19:38 wilx Tell me, kid, how old are you?
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19:40 F aha! greetings al.
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19:40 F wtf is this shit?
19:40 diakopter l_join, would you like commit access to our svn repo?
19:40 avar diakopter: haha:)
19:40 * ArchFool blinks
19:41 * F sighs
19:41 F what was that about?
19:41 wilx lol
19:41 spinclad THE GREATER ALLIANCE OF PHP PROGRAMMERS
19:41 wilx It shows how much anybody here cares about you or your rants.
19:41 diakopter F: we're not sure... someone thinks some ban lists are being circumvented on some freenode server...
19:42 spinclad they must think xmas has come
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19:42 F hey tomaw.
19:42 tomaw hi :)
19:42 F :)
19:43 * diakopter wishes moritz weren't out of town and afk (so he could sanitize our web http log).
19:43 spinclad diakopter: they're a spam farm, from more points than a ban list may cover
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19:44 diakopter does freenode use spamhaus' RBLs to at least treat such IPs with more suspicion?  Perhaps a 3 messages/15 seconds limit or something.
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19:46 * moritz is just back for a second and roughly cleaned the logs - more cleaning on monday
19:47 utopia_ i know this is Perl6 but this is really puzzling me.. http://rg.yazzy.org/code/irclogger/irclogger.txt , even when there is four arguments this tests false, but if i pass -s server.com -c channel (without the "#") it just starts & closes.. but with the "#" the script continues bu the if still doesnt test true
19:47 * utopia_ is dumbfounded
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19:48 whoppix utopia_, as i said, why dont you use getopt? if you absolutely want to parse the command line options yourself i think id rather put all the key/value pairs in a hash.
19:48 avar (@ARGV eq "4") => (@ARGV == 4)
19:49 whoppix but Getopt::* is much easier to use
19:49 avar yes aside from that..
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19:50 avar http://search.cpan.org/src/AVAR/Diges​t-Whirlpool-1.0.5/script/whirlpoolsum # use this as a getopt template
19:50 [particle] use Getopt::YouIdiot; ;)
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19:51 avar utopia_: maybe it continues because you're doing -c #perl6 which is a comment in your shell, so @ARGV == 3
19:51 avar $ echo -c #perl6
19:51 avar -c
19:52 whoppix well, yeah, obviously on the shell you would want to put the #channelname into ' or escape it or something.
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20:01 svnbot6 r16771 | diakopter++ | adding new diff line to svnbot... tentatively.
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20:23 fglock can I call a subroutine from inside a regex, that increments pos() ?
20:23 fglock in perl5.10
20:27 fglock I need this when I call a method as if it were a subrule
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20:40 fglock "Segmentation fault"
20:41 pmurias_ fglock: you could use (??{"." x f()}) to skip a number of character
20:41 diakopter fglock: you segfaulted 5.9.4?
20:41 pmurias_ :)
20:41 fglock pmurias_: yes, but not really efficient
20:41 fglock diakopter: yes
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20:42 fglock pmurias_: I'll try that
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20:43 fglock diakopter: but it's probably my fault
20:44 diakopter fglock: still, it should be sent to perlbug@perl.org..?
20:44 pmurias or (??{".{$nr}")
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20:49 pasteling "fglock" at 201.54.129.80 pasted "perl5.10 regex experiments" (28 lines, 729B) at http://sial.org/pbot/25874
20:50 fglock I want the inner regex to increment the outer pos()
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20:50 fglock the commented code causes a segfault
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20:55 fglock hmm - it kinda works with m//g - but $_ inside seems to not be the same as outer $_
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20:59 pmurias automatic banning of people who speak in ALL CAPS would be nice
21:00 whoppix ack.
21:01 [particle] THAT'S SO UNFAIR!
21:01 Aankhen`` pmurias: NO PLEASE DON'T, YOU'D BREAK MY HEART.
21:01 PikAss banning? kicking okay, but sometime you put in mistake with caps lock
21:02 whoppix well, kicking propably wouldn't help against spammers, they can just rejoin. maybe a tempban for a minute or so.
21:02 Aankhen`` FWIW, rXXX links do link to the changesets in the logs.
21:03 Aankhen`` See http://moritz.faui2k3.org/irclog/out.pl​?channel=perl6;date=2007-06-28#id_l650 for example.
21:06 fglock pmurias: (??{...}) doesn't work for me - is it too new?
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21:09 fglock worked now
21:09 diakopter Aankhen``: I added that in there for the other channels that are using the same svnbot on feather (irc.perl.org: #parrot, #hackathon)
21:10 Aankhen`` Ah.
21:12 diakopter at Coke's and [particle]'s request
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21:13 pmurias how do the trolls get so many ips?
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21:14 mobutu tor ?
21:15 PikAss !
21:16 svnbot6 r16772 | diakopter++ | fix my bug
21:16 fglock pmurias: it was my fault (syntax error) - thanks!
21:17 pmurias i thought of it as a silly hack :)
21:18 fglock pmurias: 6-on-5 is all made of silly hacks :)
21:22 [particle] at this point, 6-on-* is all silly hacks ;)
21:22 pmurias at least they aren't evil hacks ;)
21:23 [particle] no, that's perl5's domain :)
21:25 svnbot6 r16773 | diakopter++ | dummy commit.  sorry. :)
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21:29 pasteling "evalbot_r16772" at 193.200.132.135 pasted "Pugs build failure" (6 lines, 278B) at http://sial.org/pbot/25875
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21:29 Electricity Anyone here?
21:30 Electricity Anyone here?
21:30 svnbot6 r16774 | diakopter++ | another dummy commit.  sorry. :)
21:30 Electricity Lol, I got a question about the logger
21:30 Electricity ilbot or whatever
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21:32 Electricity Lol, I got a question about the logger ilogger2
21:32 diakopter changed the nick to diakopter_afk
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21:33 Electricity Lol, I got a question about the logger ilogger2
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21:35 Electricity HELLO?
21:35 Electricity HELLO?
21:35 Electricity HELLO?
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21:36 lidden Just ask your question and maybe someone will answer
21:36 Electricity I did
21:36 Electricity I dido
21:36 Electricity O
21:36 Electricity I suppose I didn;'t
21:37 Electricity About that log thing, how does it make a log?
21:37 Electricity on a site
21:37 spinclad perl6?
21:38 Electricity Like this: http://moritz.faui2k3.org/i​rclog/out.pl?channel=perl6
21:39 Electricity Cause I have something that logs it, but I don't know how to make it display
21:40 spinclad well, it listens from irc into a database, and makes a pretty display of it...
21:41 Electricity spinclad, I got it going to a DB, but I dunno how to display it, thats what I want help with :9
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21:42 spinclad it's moritz's code; diakopter knows it too i think. he'll know where it lives
21:42 Electricity Shit, and he's AFK :'(
21:42 spinclad moritz is mostly away at the moment
21:43 spinclad have patience...
21:43 [particle] or use email.
21:43 spinclad gasp!
21:44 spinclad i keep forgetting these other technologies
21:44 Electricity Lol
21:44 [particle] someday there'll be something faster than irc.
21:44 Electricity Well
21:44 Electricity *Cough*Telephone*
21:44 spinclad voice mail
21:44 [particle] 1-977-hot-pugs
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21:45 Electricity Would this be the stuff? http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/misc/irclog/cgi/
21:45 spinclad expect so.  yes, it's in the pugs repo.
21:45 Electricity Hmmm
21:45 pmurias good night&
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21:45 * Electricity can't figure out how to use that right
21:48 Electricity spinclad, think you can help?
21:49 spinclad sorry, not atm.  i'd have to dig into it from scratch myself
21:49 Electricity Heh, all I was going to ask it where the DB info is stored
21:50 spinclad huh.  the code would know that much better than me.
21:50 Electricity Wel
21:50 Electricity The interface..
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21:56 spinclad database.conf
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21:59 * Electricity wonders wtf an svn client is
22:00 * spinclad afk &
22:01 lidden svn -> http://subversion.tigris.org/
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22:19 Electricity moritz, diakopter_afk
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22:44 iShock diakopter_afk moritz
22:45 spinclad moritz away through the weekend, i believe
22:46 iShock Shit....Just my fucking luck :'(
22:48 Tene iShock: what's your question about the irc log bot?
22:48 iShock Tene, I need help getting the files and stuff to display the logs
22:48 Tene iShock: "the files and stuff"?
22:48 Tene It's just in svn...
22:49 iShock I can't do svn checkout..
22:49 Tene iShock: why not?
22:49 Tene it's just http...
22:49 iShock Its not a shell server, its a web server...At least thats what my host says...
22:49 iShock I get an error
22:49 iShock svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/pugs/misc/irclog'
22:49 iShock svn: PROPFIND of '/pugs/misc/irclog': could not connect to server (http://svn.pugscode.org)
22:49 Tene iShock: so svn co on your workstation and then upload everything.
22:50 Tene iShock: how would you *like* to receive the files?
22:50 Tene I could tar them up for you...
22:50 iShock That would be...great
22:50 Tene Sure. :)
22:51 Tene iShock: http://castro.iodynamics.com/~tene/irclog.tar.bz2
22:52 iShock Dont suppose you can help with installing? :P
22:52 Tene It's kind of a pain.
22:52 iShock How pain?
22:52 Tene Depends on how you want things set up.
22:52 Tene No pain, if you use exactly the same setup moritz uses. ;)
22:53 iShock As for a web interface to view the logs, the format of this logger is the same as ilbot. <-- From my module readme :O
22:53 Tene how experienced are you with apache and cgi configuration?
22:53 iShock -100%
22:53 Tene Oh.
22:54 Tene I don't think that I have time to teach you how to configure apache right now.
22:54 iShock Wait
22:54 iShock I have my site up and everything
22:54 Tene I might tonight...
22:54 iShock I just need to get it to display
22:54 iShock Apache and stuff is like, set up
22:54 Tene do you have the bot set up already?
22:55 iShock Yap
22:55 Tene and logging to a mysql db?
22:55 iShock Yap
22:55 iShock oi
22:55 iShock Well
22:55 iShock I was about to have it up
22:55 Tene and can the webserver box talk to the mysql server?
22:55 iShock Till PuTTY shoot mes
22:55 iShock Uh yeah
22:56 iShock Well Shit
22:56 iShock Oi
22:56 iShock You wanna help?
22:56 iShock PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /home/ishock/php-irc-2.2.1/databases/mysql.php on line 59
22:57 Tene iShock: I don't work with PHP unless paid quite well. ;)
22:58 iShock Great..
22:58 Tene iShock: I might be able to help you get it set up tonight.  I need to get back to work right now.
22:58 iShock Nooo :'(
22:58 Tene Read the configs...
22:59 Tene Set up apache to serve the cgi and see what happens
22:59 Tene and read its errors and fix them until it all works.
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23:38 Khisanth ?eval [or] $x ==« @a
23:38 evalbot_r16743 changed the nick to evalbot_r16774
23:38 evalbot_r16774 Error: ␤Unexpected end of input␤expecting block, "\\", variable name, "\187" or "\171"
23:38 Khisanth ?eval [or] $x ==<< @a
23:38 evalbot_r16774 Error: ␤Unexpected end of input␤expecting block, "\\", variable name, ">>" or "<<"
23:38 Khisanth mauke: guess not!
23:38 mauke :(
23:50 diakopter urgh, so, is svn working now?

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