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Tene |
Oh, that was a greeting, not a question. |
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* Tene |
.= fail(); |
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allbery_b |
@localtime #perl6 -- :) |
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(* #perl6 *) |
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moritz_ |
good afternoon ;) |
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andara |
good afternoon, moritz_ |
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bloonix |
good morning ;) |
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[particle] |
Infinoid: t\tools\pdb....ok |
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lichtkind |
how i can emulate $" in perl6? |
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bloonix |
lichtkind: hello |
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bloonix |
: On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 10:03:45PM -0800, Larry Wall wrote: |
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bloonix |
: > Hmm, well, if it got that far. Given strict being on by default, |
| 16:29 |
bloonix |
: > this particular example should probably just die on the fact that $" |
| 16:29 |
bloonix |
: > isn't declared, since there's no $" in Perl 6. |
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bloonix |
it seems that $" is gone |
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bloonix |
http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/docs/AES/S28draft.pod |
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Gothmog_ |
But you may write something like "foo {@a.join: ", "} bar" |
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Gothmog_ |
And there is probably something more elegant. |
| 16:36 |
bloonix |
Gothmog_: jep |
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bloonix |
"$" is gone, replaced by @foo.join(":") or some such. |
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bloonix |
from S28draft.pod |
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bloonix |
?eval 'foo' ~~ /(foo)/; say $1 |
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pugsbot_r17185 |
OUTPUT[] Bool::True |
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bloonix |
whats wrong here? no 'foo' |
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diakopter |
?eval 'foo' ~~ /foo/; say $1 |
| 17:17 |
pugsbot_r17185 |
OUTPUT[] Bool::True |
| 17:17 |
bloonix |
I want capture it |
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diakopter |
afk |
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bloonix |
?eval my $foo; 'foo' ~~ / (foo) { let $foo := $1 } /; say $foo; |
| 17:20 |
pugsbot_r17185 |
*** Cannot parse regex: (foo) { let $foo := $1 } *** Error: OUTPUT[] Bool::True |
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bloonix |
?eval 'foo' ~~ /(foo)/; say $0 |
| 17:22 |
pugsbot_r17185 |
OUTPUT[foo] Bool::True |
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bloonix |
*arg* |
| 17:26 |
bloonix |
?eval 'foo' ~~ / (foo) { let $foo := $0 } /; |
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pugsbot_r17185 |
*** Cannot parse regex: (foo) { let $foo := $0 } *** Error: Match.new( ok => Bool::False,  from => 0,  to => 0,  str => "",  sub_pos => (),  sub_named => {}) |
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moritz_ |
?eval 'foo' ~~ m/ $<foo> := (foo) /; $<foo> |
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pugsbot_r17185 |
\Match.new( ok => Bool::True,  from => 0,  to => 3,  str => "foo",  sub_pos => (Match.new( ok => Bool::True,  from => 0,  to => 3,  str => "foo",  sub_pos => (),  sub_named => {} ),),  sub_named => {}) |
| 17:47 |
moritz_ |
?eval 'foo' ~~ m/ $<foo> := (foo) /; ~$<foo> |
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pugsbot_r17185 |
"foo" |
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pasteling |
"blooni" at 87.79.208.212 pasted "'foo bar baz' ~~ /(.*)/; say "" (9 lines, 135B) at http://sial.org/pbot/26642 |
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bloonix |
thats confusing |
| 17:53 |
moritz_ |
it is indeed |
| 17:54 |
bloonix |
if I do $foo = $0 first and do $foo.split(rx/\s+/) its the same |
| 17:55 |
moritz_ |
I think it's somehow because $0 is not a string |
| 17:55 |
moritz_ |
try (~$0) instead, and it works as expected |
| 17:55 |
moritz_ |
but that's not very DWIMmy |
| 17:57 |
bloonix |
that works but tell me why |
| 17:57 |
bloonix |
I dont understand it |
| 17:57 |
bloonix |
shouldn't $0 work? |
| 17:58 |
moritz_ |
wour List multi method split ( Str $input: Str $delimiter, Int $limit = * ) is export our List multi method split ( Str $input: Rule $delimiter, Int $limit = * ) is export |
| 17:59 |
moritz_ |
if it |
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moritz_ |
sorry |
| 17:59 |
moritz_ |
seems to be a typing problem |
| 18:00 |
moritz_ |
pugs doesn't implement types very well (which should be changed by audreyt++'s waiting MO branch) |
| 18:00 |
moritz_ |
it doesn't handle $0 as a string, even though it probably should coerce it into a string |
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pugs_svnbot |
r17196 | lwall++ | substr should be exported multi method |
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pugs_svnbot |
r17196 | lwall++ | updated grammar description of printf formats to use newer, cleaner notation |
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pugs_svnbot |
diff: http://dev.pugscode.org/changeset/17196 |
| 19:04 |
lambdabot |
Title: Changeset 17196 - Pugs - Trac |
| 19:04 |
Limbic_Region |
today I was teaching an introduction to perl to a bunch of Java developers. Every so often I would say, in Perl 6 this will be done as "X" or when a question would arise, I would answer the question and say, in Perl 6 this will be done like "Y" |
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rindolf |
Limbic_Region: heh. |
| 19:05 |
rindolf |
Limbic_Region: isn't it a bit confusing? |
| 19:06 |
Limbic_Region |
The most overwhelming response I got was - when is Perl 6 coming out |
| 19:06 |
Limbic_Region |
The most overwhelming response I got was - when is Perl 6 coming out |
| 19:06 |
Limbic_Region |
hrm - apparently this client is eating everything I am typing again |
| 19:06 |
Limbic_Region |
The most overwhelming response I got was - when is Perl 6 coming out |
| 19:06 |
Limbic_Region |
grrrr |
| 19:06 |
diakopter |
Limbic_Region: <sigh>: here, reconnect in 5 minutes - lemme switch it back to use the perl version... oka? |
| 19:07 |
Limbic_Region |
rindolf - not really since this was more a "concepts" class rather than syntax |
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Limbic_Region |
diakopter - don't worry about it |
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diakopter |
ok |
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Limbic_Region |
it was fun though |
| 19:09 |
Limbic_Region |
diakopter - for what it is worth, I didn't have this problem when I used FireFox |
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diakopter |
Limbic_Region: oh (nor I, during the brief times I tested it) |
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TimToady |
I'm trying to decide whether <foo: I am a $x> should default to interpolating like "" or not... |
| 19:16 |
TimToady |
I find myself want to write a lot of error messages with <panic: ...> that want to interpolate bits of what was already parsed... |
| 19:16 |
TimToady |
and S05 doesn't specify what it means by "string" there. |
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Limbic_Region |
remind me what the advantage (in this case) of <panic: ...> is over "panic: ..." ? |
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[particle] |
it's certainly difficult to produce good error messages in the parser now |
| 19:18 |
[particle] |
however you can provide a backtrace |
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[particle] |
that helps give some context |
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TimToady |
Limbic_Region: "panic: ..." would match that literally in a regex, whereas <panic: ...> is short for <panic('...')> or maybe <panic("...")> |
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Limbic_Region |
er um, I guess I didn't do a good job of asking my question |
| 19:21 |
TimToady |
the : form is just sugar |
| 19:21 |
TimToady |
saves wear and tear on the () keys |
| 19:21 |
Limbic_Region |
and now I must wait and hope my client delivers the message |
| 19:21 |
Limbic_Region |
I guess it wasn't clear from your statement of "write a lot of error messages" that you needed a rule at all |
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[particle] |
so, there's not enough sugar to distinguish between interp and non-interp |
| 19:21 |
Limbic_Region |
neat, they came in out of order |
| 19:22 |
TimToady |
in particular, I'm trying to redirect bogus uses of old $@ and $# and such to the new things |
| 19:23 |
TimToady |
and I find I want the <panic: ...> forms to work both ways. :/ |
| 19:24 |
TimToady |
so *probably* I should leave it at single quotes and make me use panic("...") when I really want to interpolate |
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[particle] |
perhaps it's best to use the desugared form |
| 19:24 |
Limbic_Region |
TimToady - oh nevermind - I was tripping over the word "write" - you meant write code and I was thinking the actual error message itself |
| 19:24 |
TimToady |
on the theory that more complicate things should look more complicated |
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* Limbic_Region |
really needs a break |
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[particle] |
more common things should be easier, though |
| 19:24 |
TimToady |
yeah, that's the flip side |
| 19:24 |
diakopter |
TimToady: what about <panic:"oops: $interpMe"> |
| 19:25 |
Limbic_Region |
When you put in your 40 before Wednesday it makes for a long week |
| 19:25 |
TimToady |
well, if it was unintended, then you likely get a compile-time error |
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* Limbic_Region |
gives up |
| 19:25 |
Limbic_Region |
When you put in your 40 before Wednesday it makes for a long week |
| 19:25 |
diakopter |
Limbic_Region: I suspect all your sent messages are getting here; but they're delayed |
| 19:26 |
Limbic_Region |
diakopter - well, they may be getting to feather but they are not all getting to irc |
| 19:27 |
diakopter |
oh. it's possible they're getting to us but not to you, however. did you verify against moritz' log? (sorry to question your analysis) |
| 19:27 |
Limbic_Region |
I typed the line about 40 about 5 times (2nd time being written) |
| 19:28 |
Limbic_Region |
how many times did you see the above line? (2nd time being written) |
| 19:29 |
Limbic_Region |
diakopter - I am looking at the logs now, many of the things I type never show up in IRC (2nd time being written) |
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diakopter |
Limbic_Region: :( you sure you don't want to give me 15 seconds (now) to make the cgi swap? |
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Limbic_Region |
diakopter - it won't make a difference but if you want to - sure |
| 19:30 |
diakopter |
ok; you'll get booted; just wait 10 seconds then reconnect. |
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* Limbic_Region |
waits to get booted |
| 19:32 |
diakopter |
ok LR - try now? (assuming you're watching the logs) :) |
| 19:32 |
spinclad |
TimToady: how much of a huffman burden would it be to write <panic: "message message $interpolateMe"> (two "'s longer than currently) ? |
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diakopter |
TimToady: I meant <panic:"$interp"> as opposed to <panic: "$raw"> |
| 19:33 |
diakopter |
(where "$raw" is sent as '"$raw"', I mean) |
| 19:33 |
spinclad |
iow the : replaces the ()s |
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Limbic_Region |
salutations from the great beyond (take 3) |
| 19:34 |
Limbic_Region |
diakopter - 3rd time I typed that it showed up |
| 19:34 |
diakopter |
silly IE.... |
| 19:34 |
spinclad |
diakopter: i think we're proposing the same; priority is yours |
| 19:35 |
Limbic_Region |
well, combination of IE, corporate proxy and firewall, and CGI:IRC (take 2) |
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* Limbic_Region |
decides to call it a week |
| 19:36 |
Limbic_Region |
TTFN all |
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TimToady |
I suppose, given that panic is essentially a method call, that it makes sense to use colon the same way |
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[particle] |
meaning, that panic is the invocant? |
| 19:44 |
diakopter |
panic is sorta like catch |
| 19:45 |
diakopter |
^ (thinking out loud - not answering [particle]) |
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TimToady |
panic is the method name; the invocant is implicitly the current match context |
| 19:49 |
TimToady |
anyway, that argues for <panic: "foo"> as the proper alterative to <panic("foo")> |
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[particle] |
and leaves open the possibility for <panic: :message<foo> :exitcode<255>> ? |
| 19:51 |
[particle] |
i'm just wondering how much like method calls this will end up being |
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[particle] |
named optional slurpy etc |
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diakopter |
shouldn't a method call be <.panic: ...> for clarity? alternately asked, will the invocant always be the matchee? |
| 19:53 |
TimToady |
it's exactly like, except the terminator is >, and the invocant is missing |
| 19:53 |
[particle] |
<> implies $/ as invocant |
| 19:54 |
[particle] |
except i guess that's not the case with <foo bar> |
| 19:54 |
[particle] |
foo is still a method on $/, but bar is a regex |
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meppl |
good night |
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