Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2007-11-08

Perl 6 | Reference Documentation | Rakudo

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00:03 fglock_ updated https://dev.pugscode.org/wiki/v6
00:03 fglock_ ggoebel++
00:04 fglock_ s/https/http/
00:13 fglock_ I wonder what this means: MAKE TEST failed: Illegal seek
00:13 fglock_ in: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.​cpan.testers/2007/10/msg728381.html
00:13 lambdabot Title: FAIL v6-0.020 i686-linux 2.4.20-8smp - nntp.perl.org, http://tinyurl.com/ytxpbn
00:18 fglock_ &
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02:41 rolloffle ?eval "#perl6" =~ m/erl/
02:42 rolloffle buubot: eval '"#perl6" =~ m/erl/'
02:42 buubot rolloffle:  "#perl6" =~ m/erl/
02:42 rolloffle buubot: eval "#perl6" =~ m/erl/
02:42 buubot rolloffle:  1
02:43 rolloffle buubot: eval "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ m/((z{0,2}){0,2}){0,2}[b]/
02:43 buubot rolloffle:  ''ERROR: 8930: Search pattern not terminated at (eval 238) line 1.
02:43 rolloffle buubot: eval "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ m/(z+)+b/
02:43 buubot rolloffle:  ''ERROR: 8946: Search pattern not terminated at (eval 238) line 1.
02:43 rolloffle buubot: eval "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ m/(z+)/
02:43 buubot rolloffle:  ''ERROR: 8951: Search pattern not terminated at (eval 238) line 1.
02:44 rolloffle buubot: eval "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ qr/(z+)/
02:44 buubot rolloffle:  ''ERROR: 8963: Search pattern not terminated at (eval 238) line 1.
02:46 rolloffle buubot: eval "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ qr/(z+)/;
02:46 buubot rolloffle:  ''ERROR: 9054: Search pattern not terminated at (eval 238) line 1.
02:47 rolloffle buubot: eval "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ /(z+)/;
02:47 buubot rolloffle:  ''ERROR: 9089: Search pattern not terminated at (eval 238) line 1.
02:48 rolloffle eval "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ /(z+)/;
02:48 buubot rolloffle:  ''ERROR: 9151: Search pattern not terminated at (eval 238) line 1.
02:48 rolloffle eval: $re=join "|", 0 .. 255; print "yes" if 255 =~ m/^(?:$re)$/;
02:48 buubot rolloffle:  yes1
02:48 rolloffle eval: print "yes" if 255 =~ m/^(?:ab)$/;
02:48 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:48 rolloffle eval: 255 =~ m/^(?:ab)$/;
02:48 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:49 rolloffle eval: "255" =~ m/^(?:ab)$/;
02:49 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:49 rolloffle eval: "zzz" =~ m/^(?:ab)$/;
02:49 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:49 rolloffle eval: "zzz" =~ m/^(?:ab)/;
02:49 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:49 rolloffle eval: "zzz" =~ m/(?:ab)/;
02:49 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:49 rolloffle eval: "zzz" =~ m/(ab)/;
02:49 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:49 rolloffle eval: "zzz" =~ m/ab/;
02:49 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:49 rolloffle eval: "zzz" =~ m/(z+)/;
02:49 buubot rolloffle:  1
02:49 rolloffle eval: "zzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ m/((z{0,2}){0,2}){0,2}[b]/;
02:49 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:49 rolloffle eval: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ m/((z{0,2}){0,2}){0,2}[b]/;
02:49 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:50 rolloffle eval: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ m/((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+)+b/;
02:50 buubot rolloffle:  ''ERROR: 9872: Unmatched ) in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+) <-- HERE +b/ at (eval 238) line 1.
02:50 rolloffle eval: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ m/(((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+)+b/;
02:50 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:50 rolloffle eval: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ m/(((((((z+([zb]*)+)+([zb]*)+)​+([zb]*)+)+([zb]*)+)+)+)+)+b/;
02:50 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:50 rolloffle eval: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ m/(((((((((z+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+b/;
02:50 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:51 amnesiac omg!
02:51 rolloffle eval: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ m/((((((((((((((((((z+)+)+)+)+​)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+b/;
02:51 buubot rolloffle:  ''ERROR: 9940: Unmatched ( in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/( <-- HERE (((((((((((((((((z+)+)+)+)+)​+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+b/ at (eval 238) line 1.
02:51 rolloffle eval: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" =~ m/((((((((((((((((((z+)+)+)+)+)​+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+b/;
02:51 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:51 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 1000) =~ m/((((((((((((((((((z+)+)+)+)+)​+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+b/;
02:51 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:52 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 99999) =~ m/((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((​z+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+​)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+b/;
02:52 buubot rolloffle:  ''ERROR: 9999: Unmatched ( in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/( <-- HERE (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((z+​)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)​+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+b/ at (eval 238) line 1.
02:52 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 99999) =~ m/((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((z​+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+​)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+b/;
02:52 buubot rolloffle: Out of memory!
02:53 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 39999) =~ m/((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((z​+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+​)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+b/;
02:53 buubot rolloffle: Out of memory!
02:53 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 3999) =~ m/((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((z​+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+​)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+b/;
02:53 buubot rolloffle: Out of memory!
02:53 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 399) =~ m/((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((z​+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+​)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+)+b/;
02:53 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:54 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 399) =~ m/((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((z{1,100}){1​,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,​100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,1​00}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,10​0}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100​}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}​){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}b/;
02:54 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:54 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 699) =~ m/((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((z{1,100}){1​,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,​100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,1​00}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,10​0}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100​}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}​){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}b/;
02:54 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:54 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 1999) =~ m/((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((z{1,100}){1​,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,​100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,1​00}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,10​0}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100​}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}​){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}b/;
02:54 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:54 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2999) =~ m/((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((z{1,100}){1​,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,​100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,1​00}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,10​0}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100​}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}​){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}){1,100}b/;
02:54 buubot rolloffle: Out of memory!
02:54 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2999) =~ m/((z{0,2}){0,2}){0,2}[b]/;
02:54 buubot rolloffle: Out of memory!
02:55 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 1999) =~ m/((z{0,2}){0,2}){0,2}[b]/;
02:55 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:55 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2499) =~ m/(((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+)+b/;
02:55 buubot rolloffle: Out of memory!
02:55 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 1999) =~ m/(((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+)+b/;
02:55 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:55 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2199) =~ m/(((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+)+b/;
02:55 buubot rolloffle: Out of memory!
02:55 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2099) =~ m/(((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+)+b/;
02:55 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:55 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2149) =~ m/(((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+)+b/;
02:55 buubot rolloffle: Out of memory!
02:55 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2129) =~ m/(((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+)+b/;
02:55 buubot rolloffle: Out of memory!
02:56 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2119) =~ m/(((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+)+b/;
02:56 buubot rolloffle: Out of memory!
02:56 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2109) =~ m/(((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+)+b/;
02:56 buubot rolloffle: Out of memory!
02:56 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2102) =~ m/(((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+)+b/;
02:56 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:56 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2105) =~ m/(((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+)+b/;
02:56 buubot rolloffle: Out of memory!
02:56 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2104) =~ m/(((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+)+b/;
02:56 buubot rolloffle: Out of memory!
02:56 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2103) =~ m/(((((((((z+)+)?)+)+)?)+)+)+)+b/;
02:56 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:56 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2103) =~ m/((z{0,2}){0,2}){0,2}[b]/;
02:56 buubot rolloffle:  ''
02:56 rolloffle eval: ("zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" x 2104) =~ m/((z{0,2}){0,2}){0,2}[b]/;
02:56 buubot rolloffle: Out of memory!
02:57 rolloffle I guess Perl finally got a decent regex matching engine
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17:13 moritz_ moose!
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17:37 fglock moritz_: moose!
17:40 obra fglock: hiya! how's things?
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17:50 ggoebel What are the goals for Onion? I.e. what are the limitations of kp6 that onion will overcome? And where do you foresee the next roadblock being with respect to implementing the full perl6 specification?
17:51 moritz_ ggoebel: I think the most important point is the adaption of the standard grammar written by TimToady++
17:52 moritz_ http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/src/perl6/STD.pm <- this one
17:52 awwaiid Are any of the projects successfully using the STD.pm?
17:52 moritz_ awwaiid: no, not quite
17:53 moritz_ awwaiid: though pugs can execute it tentatively with `metholate'
17:53 moritz_ it parsed a number literal successfully, at one point ;)
17:53 awwaiid interesting
17:53 moritz_ and a bit more
17:54 awwaiid is STD.pm in a state(minus recent commits of course) that it would be theoretically possible to use it?
17:55 moritz_ awwaiid: that depends on your notion of "use it" ;)
17:55 moritz_ you could use it to parse perl 6...
17:55 awwaiid that's what I mean :)
17:55 moritz_ but I don't think it's easy enough yet to modify the grammar in a user script without fiddeling with the AST
17:56 moritz_ at least that's my impression from the transcriptions of the "design minutes"
17:56 awwaiid I mean, does an implementation only need to improve to get to where they can use it, or does STD.pm itself need significant improvements
17:57 awwaiid I guess its tricky, because until there is something that can use it properly it'll be hard to get any bugs out, eh?
17:57 moritz_ awwaiid: I think only TimToady (if anyone) can really answer that ;)
17:58 awwaiid cool, just curious :)
17:58 moritz_ well, metholate+pugs revealed some bugs
17:58 moritz_ it's a bit like the spec itself - you can't know it's right or good until you implement at least part of it
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18:12 fglock obra: hi!
18:12 obra how's things?
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18:13 fglock ggoebel: "Onion" would be the bootstrapped version of kp6;
18:13 fglock using STD is the current kp6 implementation phase
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18:14 fglock obra: I'm working on the plan again
18:15 fglock work is a bit distracting at the moment
18:16 obra nodnod
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18:23 fglock assuming a 2-3 month version cycle, kp6 should be done by may/2008
18:23 fglock if all goes well :)
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18:40 fglock I'm working on a caldav client at $work - back to the old DateTime stuff :)
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21:10 blix_ hi
21:10 moritz_ hi blix_ ;)
21:10 blix_ is there a channel for 0x86?
21:10 spinclad for Perl 6 on x86?
21:10 blix_ just 0x86 in general
21:10 moritz_ dunno
21:11 spinclad or for 134 (decimal)?
21:11 blix_ no
21:11 blix_ lol
21:11 spinclad for 137 you could try #physics somewhere...
21:11 moritz_ spinclad: just for 1/137 ;)
21:11 blix_ kinda need to do some instruction decoding
21:12 spinclad it was Eddington's favourite number
21:13 moritz_ maybe there's an #asm or #assembler channel somewhere?
21:13 spinclad blix_, dunno where you'd go then
21:13 blix_ possibly
21:13 blix_ I'll check
21:13 blix_ thanks
21:13 blix_ I'll come by again when i get the Perl books out
21:13 blix_ :-)
21:13 moritz_ ;)
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