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duzy |
hi, all |
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Tene |
Hi! |
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duzy |
:) |
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Tene |
Welcome to #perl6 ! |
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agentzh |
heh |
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duzy |
thanks, do u open this channel? |
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agentzh |
duzy: audreyt++ opened this channel in the year 2005, iirc ;) |
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Tene |
No, I don't have any particular position in this channel. I'm just friendly. |
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duzy |
:) |
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duzy |
thank all |
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duzy |
agentzh: how do you bold you states? |
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agentzh |
duzy: ? |
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duzy |
i am a new guy using irc, using emacs, i can see your words come out in bolded and colored font |
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ahmadz |
hi |
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agentzh |
hey, ahmadz |
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clkao |
agentzh: hola! |
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agentzh |
hi, clkao :) |
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fglock |
hi |
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moritz_ |
hi all ;) |
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masak |
hi |
14:02 |
fglock |
I'm working on a workflow language for $work |
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fglock |
it looks like cobol :P |
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moritz_ |
fglock: here on #perl6 it looks like most of your $work is writing compiler/interpreter to do something else for $work |
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moritz_ |
fglock: is that your normal workflow? ;-) |
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fglock |
moritz_: yes :) |
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moritz_ |
fglock: sure looks like a cool job ;) |
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fglock |
and I can use Perl 6 for that |
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moritz_ |
that's cool |
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moritz_ |
which implementation do you use? |
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fglock |
I'm mostly using v6.pm, |
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fglock |
it is fast enough, it works with Perl 5, and regex works reasonably |
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pugs_svn |
r18837 | fglock++ | [kp6] turned the roadmap upside-down, as suggested by nferraz++ |
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jMCg |
Is it a bug or a feature, that one cannot compile pugs? |
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moritz_ |
jMCg: I wouldn't call it a feature ;) |
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moritz_ |
jMCg: but usually it can be compiled, provided that you have enough RAM and all the prerequiries |
14:38 |
fglock |
I compiled Pugs a few days ago, on a new computer (installed ghc and such) - no problems here |
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* moritz_ |
starts a 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' |
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pugs_svn |
r18838 | fglock++ | [kp6] v6/docs/ reorganization |
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jMCg |
moritz_: I pasted the output of a compile this morning, I can do it again. |
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jMCg |
I can do that again, [I just did an svn up |
14:48 |
moritz_ |
jMCg: ah, just saw it in the backlog... looking |
14:48 |
jMCg |
uuh.. fails with the same issue... |
14:49 |
moritz_ |
jMCg: could you please do a 'make realclean; perl Makefile.PL; make' and post the full output? |
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moritz_ |
jMCg: it could be a missing dependency that isn't caught by Makefile.PL |
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moritz_ |
but I'm neither a build nor a haskell expert, so I can't promise to help you ;) |
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jMCg |
moritz_: where's the difference between make distclean and realclean? |
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moritz_ |
jMCg: dunno - make realclean always worked for em ;) |
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moritz_ |
s/em/me/ |
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pugs_svn |
r18839 | fglock++ | [kp6] moved some implementation notes from docs/ to misc/ |
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jMCg |
O_o |
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jMCg |
I'm doing something wrong. |
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jMCg |
Ah.. I should put () around the stuff.. |
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pugs_svn |
r18840 | fglock++ | [kp6] TODO update |
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moritz_ |
d'oh, even more TODO ;) |
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jMCg |
Ah.. right. I copied the stuff to a server... now maybe I should've made it accessible as well ~_~ |
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jMCg |
http://brainsware.org/jmcg/pugs.make.output |
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moritz_ |
jMCg: what kind of unix/linux is this? |
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moritz_ |
you need ghc6-network, ghc6-mtl and ghc6-time |
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moritz_ |
the development packages of each |
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jMCg |
moritz_: this is ArchLinux, I'm just checking how it's been built, so I can tell you if those are included. |
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* jMCg |
considers rebuilding ghc |
16:23 |
jMCg |
Or not. |
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jMCg |
moritz_: those are all available. |
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jMCg |
ghc-pkg: cannot find package pugs-hsregex |
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jMCg |
*** Finished building dependencies. |
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jMCg |
That's quite a definite error to me. |
16:27 |
moritz_ |
aye |
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moritz_ |
but I don't know how to fix it |
16:30 |
jMCg |
Setup: Error: Could not find module: RRegex with any suffix: ["hi"] |
16:31 |
jMCg |
Maaaaaybe.. that's just a syntax error.. |
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moritz_ |
jMCg: you could try to send a mail to perl6-compiler perl.org describing your problem... maybe a lambdacamel still reads it and has a good idea |
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jMCg |
moritz_: I shall check in a few days, maybe it's fixed until then.. right now I'm actually quite busy, and doing this only as a distraction while waiting for things to finish left and right, so I can pick them up. |
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moritz_ |
jMCg: ok |
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jMCg |
I wouldn't want to fire anything up prematurely, before not having researched it properely |
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pmurias |
jMCg: do you have cabal package bytestring? |
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jMCg |
pmurias: what's 'cabal package bytestring'? |
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pmurias |
i'm not sure ;) |
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pmurias |
pugs.make.output suggest you have hidden cabal packages |
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pmurias |
Could not find module `Data.ByteString.Char8': |
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pmurias |
it is a member of package bytestring-0.9.0.1, which is hidden |
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jMCg |
pugs.make.out* sounds perverted, I just realized.... |
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pmurias |
see http://www.haskell.org/cabal/proposal/index.html |
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Aankhen`` |
Making out sounds perverted to you? o_O |
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pmurias |
. Exposed packages and hidden packages |
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jMCg |
29 import qualified Data.ByteString.Char8 as Buf |
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jMCg |
Aankhen``: making out with pugs does. |
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Aankhen`` |
Fair enough. |
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pmurias |
jMCg: that's the line which is causing the error |
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jMCg |
pmurias: great thanks. |
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pmurias |
you are welcome ;) |
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jMCg |
Do I have to build this stuff as root? |
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moritz_ |
no |
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jMCg |
Right, shouldn't be, it supplies a prefix.. |
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moritz_ |
it might be that you need to be root for installing |
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spinclad |
fglock, other kp6camels: i'm doing some rework to [kp6]'s Makefile.PL and script/kp6, to allow a multi-staged bootstrap like gcc's build does. |
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moritz_ |
YaY |
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spinclad |
that is, have your previous version in one directory (say, stage0, where we use compiled now), and compile to stage1/; |
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fglock |
spinclad: how does it works? |
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fglock |
spinclad: cool - have you seen mp6 bootstrap script? (maybe change that too) |
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spinclad |
... and compile to stage1 (where we compile back to compiled/ now, stepping on our compiler for make -j); |
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fglock |
re mp6: v6-MiniPerl6/util/bootstrap-perl5.sh |
17:45 |
spinclad |
then you could compile from stage1/ to stage2/, and make sure they are identical, before updating changed files in your master copy. |
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fglock |
YaY indeed :) |
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spinclad |
i haven't looked at it yet; changing it similarly sounds a good plan; and likewise for onion/garlick/shallot/whateveritis |
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moritz_ |
onion/garlick/shallot sounds like "veg" or "spice" ;) |
17:47 |
spinclad |
seasoning |
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spinclad |
maybe |
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moritz_ |
the compiler named seasoning ;) |
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spinclad |
after all, natural alium knows how to bootstrap itself from season to season... |
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spinclad |
so ours should too |
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spinclad |
i'm still contemplating how to rework the Makefile so you could just 'make stage1 && make stage2 && make compare && make registerchanges' |
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spinclad |
but i've got changes to script/kp6, giving it a new argument '--stage=stage0', |
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moritz_ |
spinclad: when you comit your changes, please /msg or ping me so that I can update the library path for evalbot |
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spinclad |
and a new env var KP6_STAGE=stage1 for Makefile.PL . |
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spinclad |
we could still use compiled/ for the master copies, writing them back there, in which case evalbot shouldn't need a change. |
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spinclad |
but i still have to put together some compare and write-back scripting (for the Makefile, eventually). |
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moritz_ |
spinclad: but only if kp6 bootstraps itself successfully, right? |
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spinclad |
that would be good practice: 'make stage1 stage2 compare test write-back' or such |
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spinclad |
with a 'make bootstrap' that depends on that sequence maybe. |
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moritz_ |
sounds good |
18:02 |
spinclad |
so this has been a heads-up and request for comments. i've been trying it out in a playpen/ directory, and i'll try to make sure the process is working sensibly before checking things in. |
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moritz_ |
spinclad++ |
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spinclad |
ty :) |
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pmurias |
spinclad: stage2+ should be indentical, as the previous version is allowed to give different results then the new current one |
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pmurias |
s/new current/new/ |
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pmurias |
or do you mean comparing test results |
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spinclad |
no, the compiled compiler-library files. stage1 and stage2 might differ, but stage2 and stage3 should be identical (almost always), since stage1,2,3 should all be the new compiler (compiled with previous stages). |
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spinclad |
so i agree, stage2+ should have reached a fixed point, which can then run the test suite as a final check. |
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pmurias |
spinclad: it might be hard to try it out now as kp6 dosn't correctly compile itself |
18:27 |
spinclad |
i've tried it out so far with KP6-MP6, which worked (converged, anyway). haven't tried KP6-KP6 yet; though KP6-MP6 at least compiles its runtime with its kp6. |
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pmurias |
fglock: using ExtractRuleBlock might be used for the delimiters inside code block problem with perl5rx |
18:31 |
pmurias |
s/using// |
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fglock |
pmurias: yes, it's a possible solution |
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fglock |
I was trying to fix it in the perl5rx emitter |
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fglock |
spinclad: kp6-kp6 doesn't work yet |
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fglock |
but you can leave the solution in place, for when it works |
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spinclad |
i'm hoping this may help kp6-kp6 converge, too |
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spinclad |
(in fact that's my prime motive for this) |
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* jMCg |
made an update to http://brainsware.org/jmcg/pugs.make.output adding the output of ghc-pkg list |
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