Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #perl6, 2007-12-06

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00:04 cj http://rafb.net/p/6Dtmx222.html
00:04 lambdabot Title: Nopaste - No description
00:04 cj woe
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00:05 cj where is U16_FWD_N_UNSAFE defined?
00:06 cj looks like it's defined by parrot...
00:10 * cj rings the "someone broke the parrot build" bell and turns on the spinny light
00:10 cj dlocaus: was it you?
00:11 dlocaus cj: sorry,  don't work on parrot, just kp6
00:14 cj so kay.  I want to pin an "I broke the build" pin on someone :)
00:14 dlocaus :)
00:19 allbery_b svn blame? :)
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00:21 cj I was just going to 'svn up -r PREV' a few times
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00:44 cj 23489 seems to work
00:55 Tene no svn-bisect?
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01:06 Tene So, Perl 6-ish way to get a "deep copy" of an arbitrary data structure?
01:07 TimToady how "deep" is "deep"?
01:08 TimToady do you care if it becomes immutable?
01:08 TimToady do you care if any parts of it no longer refer to what they referred to before?
01:09 Tene Do you have a variety of convenient options for the different answers?
01:09 TimToady some bits of it are more convenient than others... :)
01:09 Tene If it has to be done manually, I can work something out myself to do it however I like.
01:10 Tene I'm curious about builtins and such.
01:10 Tene Having trouble finding relevant hits on 'copy' and 'clone' in the specs.
01:10 TimToady well, underlying all the "cmp" semantics is the assumption that there is some way to canonicalize, with various freeze/thaw associations
01:10 TimToady so doubtless there's some way to get at that someday
01:10 TimToady without perhaps going to the trouble of .freeze.thaw
01:11 TimToady but I don't think we've named it
01:11 TimToady clone is likely to be "one level down", as in "clone this object but not what it refers to"
01:11 Tene *nod*
01:11 TimToady immutable objects, of course, there's no differece, just copy the reference3
01:12 TimToady and let the GC sort it out later :)
01:13 TimToady but basically, deep cloning is breaking all identity that isn't actual data...
01:14 TimToady which is the essential difference in meaning between eqv and ===
01:14 TimToady === is about identity, while eqv is about anti-identity
01:14 meppl good night
01:16 cj no, I'm wong that revision didn't work
01:17 TimToady I oversimplify, of course, since cloning should maintain internal identity relationships
01:17 cj TimToady: you familiar w/miniparrot?
01:17 TimToady nope
01:18 TimToady just as, if you freeze a tree of objects and then thaw it, you should get back the tree (only a different tree).
01:18 cj d'oh.  I thought you were omniscient!
01:18 TimToady still remembering my kiboizing days, are you?
01:19 cj my dictionary doesn't even know what that means!
01:20 TimToady I'll bet google can find "kiboize"
01:21 cj cute
01:21 cj kiboze v. [Usenet] To {grep} the Usenet news for a string
01:22 cj I've been known to do that from time to time, too...
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01:26 cj but not so much these days, what with carrying the http://xrl.us/bcfkv around
01:26 lambdabot Title: PA111421.JPG on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
01:31 TimToady wow, burned out all my cute circuits in an instant!
01:31 cj yay!
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01:59 clkao win
02:02 TimToady I plan to...
02:54 neuromu_ has anyone here read the new edition of APUE?
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03:00 TimToady Arctic Penguins Über Europe?
03:00 TimToady s/A/Anta/
03:02 TimToady American People Understand English?
03:03 TimToady Apple Pie Undergoes Eugenics?
03:03 neuromu_ :D trying to save power by not using too many letters
03:05 TimToady Advanced Perl-User Engineering?
03:05 neuromu_ closer
03:05 TimToady Anthropic Principle Used Egregiously
03:09 neuromu_ Anarchic Program Utterance Engine
03:09 TimToady darn it, my wife just googled it...
03:09 neuromu_ no I was referring to the late W Richard Stevens book, updated by Steven Rago
03:09 neuromu_ s/v/ph/
03:12 TimToady bbl &
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09:53 pmurias @tell dlocaus file in KindaPerl6::Runtime::Perl6 are compiled by kp6 (script/kp6) not mp6
09:53 lambdabot Consider it noted.
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10:32 fglock obra: pong
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10:50 nwc10 where are the !!! ??? and ... operators documented?
10:52 moritz_ in Operator.pod
10:52 moritz_ aka S03
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10:56 lichtkind moritz_: nicht in der subroutine pod?
10:56 nwc10 ah yes.
10:57 nwc10 but not in apocalypse 3
10:57 nwc10 it's new, so I looked in the apocalypses :-)
10:57 moritz_ lichtkind: !!! occurs in S03, S06 and once in S02
10:58 moritz_ nwc10: they are superseeded in large parts, so you should always consult the synopsis
10:59 nwc10 thanks
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11:14 lichtkind seen: audreyt
11:14 lichtkind :seen audreyt
11:14 lichtkind !seen audreyt
11:16 moritz_ @seen audreyt
11:16 lambdabot audreyt is in #haskell and #ghc. I don't know when audreyt last spoke.
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12:29 fglock hmm - removing code blocks from the grammar makes the perl5rx work
12:30 fglock s/perl5rx/perl5rx backend/
12:31 moritz_ fglock: did you read my p5p post and the answers?
12:31 fglock looking
12:32 moritz_ If it's doing something complex within an RE eval (especially if it
12:32 moritz_ involves cloning anon subs), then I'm not suprised that something broke.
12:32 moritz_ (?{...}) is still totally borked as far as pads and closures go. Still on
12:32 moritz_ my list of things...
12:32 moritz_ from Dave Mitchell
12:34 moritz_ http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.​perl5.porters/2007/12/msg131339.html # only Nicholas' answer so far, Dave's isn't HTMLed yet, it seems
12:34 lambdabot Title: Re: Segmentation faults in blead perl (r32579) - nntp.perl.org, http://tinyurl.com/2brwrz
12:35 fglock I'm now looking for an alternative implementation
12:36 fglock removing the closures did fix the problem, but this also removes BEGIN
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12:49 ting_ http://tinyurl.com/2brwrz
12:49 lambdabot Title: Re: Segmentation faults in blead perl (r32579) - nntp.perl.org
12:49 fglock it's possible to remove lots of anon subs, but the Pad structure still depends heavily on closures
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14:20 nothingmuch @seen pmurias
14:20 lambdabot I saw pmurias leaving #perl6 3h 34m 21s ago, and .
14:21 nothingmuch @tell pmurias message back re email
14:21 lambdabot Consider it noted.
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15:06 pugs_svn r19065 | fglock++ | [MiniPerl6] implemented make()
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15:41 pmurias nothingmuch: pong
15:41 lambdabot pmurias: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
15:46 pmurias fglock: the Pads could be replaced by scopes
15:46 pmurias * Scopes
15:47 fglock pmurias: yes, but we need to implement Closure first
15:47 fglock which is a bit hard
15:50 pmurias fglock: why is it hard?
15:50 pugs_svn r19066 | fglock++ | [kp6-perl5] started make() implementation
15:51 fglock you need to detect which variables are used in the block, and then do the Closure object with it's Scope
15:52 fglock we need it for kp6-in-C, anyway
15:53 pmurias i thought it $scope_level_3 = Scope.new(outer=>$scope_level_2); at the start of each block
15:53 pmurias * it is
15:56 fglock you need to create the Scope when you instantiate the Code object, well before .APPLY is called
15:56 fglock so that you can have Code parameters
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16:00 fglock what is the purpose of ExtractRuleBlock? it seems to be messing up the scope of make()
16:01 pmurias it splits code blocks as seperate methods
16:03 pmurias so they don't have to be serialised and reparsed by Token
16:04 pugs_svn r19067 | pmurias++ | [kp6] a proposal how code could be translated to use Scope
16:05 pmurias fglock: is there anything wrong with the approach i suggest in the commit?
16:05 pmurias besides performance
16:05 fglock looking
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16:11 fglock the "a" in the inner scope must be a clone of the outer "a",
16:11 fglock try this: print foo()->(),"\n";
16:11 fglock it will print "1" every time
16:13 pmurias fglock: the perl5 version print 2,3,4
16:13 pmurias * prints
16:15 pugs_svn r19068 | fglock++ | [kp6] executable scope example
16:15 fglock it works here, please see last commit
16:16 fglock one sec, I'll change it a bit
16:16 pmurias fglock: i get it
16:17 pmurias (the script dosn't work though)
16:17 pugs_svn r19069 | fglock++ | [kp6] fixed last commit
16:17 fglock pmurias: I think you are right
16:18 fglock I fixed the script
16:19 pmurias should script/kp6 misc/scope_proposal.p6 work?
16:19 fglock sorry, I thought it was perl5 code
16:20 pmurias fglock: no problem
16:20 fglock perl misc/...
16:20 pmurias fglock: it returns 42 if my is moved into the sub
16:21 fglock that's because it is using the newly created "my $a"
16:22 pmurias fglock: yes
16:24 pmurias fglock: the scope can be created at APPLY time
16:25 fglock pmurias: you need to allow for INIT blocks
16:25 fglock which happen before APPLY
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16:28 pmurias fglock: can INIT blocks set lexical variables?
16:28 fglock yes
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16:29 pmurias fglock: maybe runtime Scopes and compile Scopes are seperate?
16:30 fglock they are the same - BEGIN can also set lexicals
16:30 fglock $ perl -e 'my $x; INIT{ $x=42 }; print "$x\n"; '
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16:34 pmurias fglock: i view the setting of lexicals at BEGIN time as setting defaults
16:35 pugs_svn r19070 | fglock++ | [kp6-perl5] workaround ExtractRuleBlock for make()
16:38 fglock $ perl -e 'use strict; sub s1 { my $x; INIT{ $x=42 }; print "> $x\n"; } s1(); s1(); print "done\n"; '
16:39 pmurias eval: use strict; sub s1 { my $x; INIT{ $x=42 }; print "> $x\n"; } s1(); s1(); print "done\n"
16:39 moritz_ no buubot, it seems
16:40 pmurias $ perl -e 'use strict; sub s1 { my $x=7; INIT{ $x=42 }; print "> $x\n"; } s1(); s1(); print "done\n";
16:45 fglock $x=7 happens at apply time (later than INIT)
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16:56 pugs_svn r19071 | fglock++ | [kp6] s/return/make/ in regex tests
17:05 Lorn fglock: i try to mount a Makefile.PL that install all modules for KindaPerl6
17:05 Lorn fglock: like "install v6-alpha" from cpan :P
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17:05 Lorn fglock: i have some problems to install it :P
17:06 fglock Lorn: kp6 does have a cpan distro, did you try that?
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17:07 pmurias Lorn: you mean you tired perl Makefile.pl;make;make install?
17:08 pugs_svn r19072 | fglock++ | [kp6] s/return/make/ in the Grammar
17:08 Lorn fglock: yes, i checkout in a new linux install
17:10 Lorn pmurias: yes, i want to do this for the KindaPerl6 module
17:10 Lorn the pugs/trunk/ have a Makefile.PL but that need ghc
17:10 fglock you might need to fix Makefile.PL, it has mostly been used for building kp6, but nobody is using it for installing yet
17:11 fglock pugs/trunk/v6/v6-KindaPerl6/Makefile.PL
17:12 fglock Lorn: "make install" is untested
17:12 Lorn fglock: i done the checkout here, and does not exists this file
17:12 fglock Lorn: if defined( $GLOBAL::_REGEX_RETURN_ ) {
17:13 fglock oops
17:13 fglock http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/v6/v6-KindaPerl6/
17:13 lambdabot Title: Revision 19072: /v6/v6-KindaPerl6
17:13 Lorn fglock: ops
17:13 Lorn fglock: i did from svn.perl.org/perl6/ :P
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17:16 Lorn the mirror of pugscode in perl.org seems not sync ...
17:19 Lorn fglock: the kp6 compile , after make, is on blib/script ?
17:21 fglock not sure, but you can touch some files and see how it recompiles
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17:22 Lorn fglock: well, the hello.pl compiles with blib/script/kp6
17:23 moritz_ Lorn: if you want to compile and execute a script, use ./script/kp6
17:24 moritz_ it has some POD documentation as well
17:24 Lorn moritz_: works for me when i execute from pugs/v6/v6-KindaPerl6/
17:27 moritz_ that's how you're supposed to use it, yes ;)
17:30 pugs_svn r19073 | fglock++ | [kp6-perl5rx] implemented make()
17:33 Lorn how i compile .p6 files?
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17:36 pugs_svn r19074 | fglock++ | [kp5-perl5rx] code blocks inside regexes no longer create anon subs
17:37 fglock $ perl script/kp6 -e ' say "hi, Lorn!" '
17:37 Lorn fglock: i was talking about examples/*.p6
17:38 fglock better start with t/kp6/*
17:38 fglock perl script/kp6 t/kp6/...
17:38 Lorn fglock: ok, thanks
17:40 fglock recompiling KP6-BOOT with the new perl5rx...
17:41 fglock Lorn: there are several command line switches, see the POD in script/kp6
17:46 pugs_svn r19075 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] recompiled with new perl5rx backend; test now #7 hangs
17:46 fglock i mean - "test #7 now hangs"
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17:54 pugs_svn r19076 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] fixed make()
17:54 fglock "ok 11" - no segfault here :)
17:54 moritz_ make is the return in regex, right?
17:54 fglock yes
17:55 fglock moritz_: would you test it again?
17:55 moritz_ fglock: I'm at it right now ;)
17:55 fglock test #12 fails, that's ok
17:55 moritz_ works both with 5.8.8 and 5.10.0!
17:55 moritz_ fglock++
17:55 moritz_ perl++
17:55 moritz_ world++
17:55 fglock yay!
17:58 DarkWolf84 perl 5.10 ?
17:58 DarkWolf84 is it ready yet
17:58 rgs RC3 soon, likely to be the last one
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17:59 fglock the workaround was to avoid creating anon subs inside regexes
18:01 nothingmuch /w 18
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18:03 fglock moritz_: thanks for asking p5p support - that helped a lot
18:04 moritz_ fglock: you're welcome
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18:12 moritz_ I'll probably migrate the irclog database in the next 30minutes, so irc logging and the websites might be unavailable for a while
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18:17 Topic for #perl6is now http://pugscode.org/ | nopaste: http://sial.org/pbot/perl6 | ?eval [~] <m oo se> | We do Haskell, too | > reverse . show $ foldl1 (*) [1..4] | irclog: http://irc.pugscode.org/
18:17 Topic for #perl6is now http://pugscode.org/ | nopaste: http://sial.org/pbot/perl6 | ?eval [~] <m oo se> | We do Haskell, too | > reverse . show $ foldl1 (*) [1..4] | irclog: http://irc.pugscode.org/
18:17 [particle] sure, http://svn.perl.org/parrot/branches/punie-devel
18:17 lambdabot Title: Revision 23543: /branches/punie-devel
18:18 fglock the non-perl6 part of kp6 is getting smaller each day :)
18:18 [particle] or you can subscribe to the svn commit rss feed
18:18 [particle] fglock++
18:18 obra fglock: very cool
18:18 fglock obra: it's probably too late to get sponsoring, but I'll take a look
18:18 moritz_ logging is back, a few lines went to /dev/null, though
18:19 obra fglock: pmichaud said he can change flights if nessecary
18:19 fglock obra: kp6-bootstrapped is now working on perl5 regexes, which should be quite faster
18:19 obra very nice
18:19 fglock a hackathon in Lisbon would be great :)
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18:20 obra I'll be sure to mention it
18:20 obra [particle]: you branch all of parrot for work on one language dir?
18:20 [particle] no, i branched parrot, then svn switch inside languages/punie
18:21 [particle] it's possible, however unlikely, that i'll need to modify the compiler toolkit, so i'd rather be safe and branch the whole repo
18:22 [particle] so, to watch, you can cd languages/punie && svn switch http://svn.perl.org/parrot/branc​hes/punie-devel/languages/punie
18:22 lambdabot Title: Revision 23543: /branches/punie-devel/languages/punie
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18:24 dlocaus hello!
18:24 lambdabot dlocaus: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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18:27 moritz_ hi dlocaus
18:30 dlocaus my hard drive is still out, it got "imaged" 99% yesterday, and I'll find out sometime between 3-4 today if there are any results...
18:31 dlocaus is there anything you guys want documented & reformated?
18:31 moritz_ good luck!
18:31 dlocaus moritz_: :), yes... I hope so.
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18:32 dlocaus I'm thinking about getting an rsync.net account.  But, G-Storable (google drives) may be coming out soon.
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18:34 fglock obra: i sent a note to $boss - let's see
18:34 dlocaus fglock: is there anything that would be worht documenting?
18:34 obra fglock: excellent.
18:35 obra dlocaus: maybe a new tutorial?
18:35 dlocaus fglock: my (linux) harddrive is still out for repairs
18:35 dlocaus obra: a tutorial containing what?
18:35 obra or improving the current "intro to kp6" docs?
18:35 obra "how to get it running and start improving it" is my usual hobby horse ;)
18:36 dlocaus obra: humm, well, some of kp6 will be going by the way side once onion gets going.
18:36 dlocaus obra: and I've been a bit heistant about getting it to run and everything, because I don't have a linux box (something to run make against) to test what I write against what works :)
18:37 [particle] see feather.
18:38 dlocaus obra: I've begun a beginners guide containning some of the stuff I've run into...
18:38 dlocaus http://dev.pugscode.org/browser/v6/v6​-KindaPerl6/docs/beginners-guide.html
18:38 lambdabot Title: /v6/v6-KindaPerl6/docs/beginners-guide.html - Pugs - Trac, http://tinyurl.com/392x43
18:38 fglock dlocaus: re compilation language,
18:38 fglock the files in Runtime/Perl6/ are compiled by kp6 itself,
18:38 fglock all other Perl 6 files are currently compiled by mp6
18:38 fglock "bootstrapping" means we will be able to compile those files with kp6 too
18:39 dlocaus fglock: pmuaris said the same thing too, but I remember that "make forcerecompile" compiled some files around that area.
18:39 dlocaus and make used mp6.pl to do it.
18:39 dlocaus I've added it to my local todo list to check it out once I get my linux box up and going
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18:40 * dlocaus stupid harddrive.  - cries.
18:40 Lorn fglock: kp6 works fine, and i dont need to install any cpan module :)
18:40 Lorn t/kp6/ its cool too
18:42 fglock script/kp6 is used for Runtime/Perl6/*, and mp6 is used elsewhere
18:42 fglock the KP6-BOOT target uses script/kp6 for everything
18:46 pugs_svn r19077 | dlo++ | [kp6] updated documentation.  Mostly clarification and minor corrections.
18:53 fglock Lorn: :)
19:02 pugs_svn r19078 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] added debugging info for failing test
19:05 pugs_svn r19079 | dlo++ | [kp6] Cleaned up formatting.
19:06 pugs_svn r19080 | dlo++ | [kp6] always just one more little change...
19:07 dlocaus @seen dlo
19:07 lambdabot I haven't seen dlo.
19:13 fglock dlo is away, he had a hardware problem
19:14 [particle] :)
19:14 dlocaus :)
19:14 dlocaus I've still got my trusty windows box :)
19:14 dlocaus obra: is there an existing guide for "kp6" that I should update?
19:14 [particle] yes, compared to the software, that hardware is *stable*
19:15 * moritz_ cursed his hardware again and again in the last few weeks
19:15 moritz_ is there nothing better to run software on?
19:15 moritz_ something that's cheep and works?
19:15 dlocaus your brain... it runs on carrots!
19:16 moritz_ dlocaus: but that's no Von Neumann architecture
19:16 dlocaus has an active life cycle of 75 years, 85 if you treat it right.
19:16 obra dlocaus: I'm sadly not the right person to answer that :/
19:16 dlocaus obra: humm ok.
19:16 obra I know that fglock has blogged an intro before to the pugs blog
19:16 obra it may make sense to grab that, commit and update it
19:17 dlocaus obra: do you know where it is?
19:17 * fglock scratches head
19:18 moritz_ if there is one, you can find it here: http://pugs.blogs.com/pugs/
19:18 lambdabot Title: Pugs
19:18 dlocaus moritz_: the human brain is most certainly Von Neumann... a von Neumann probe! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_Probe
19:18 lambdabot Title: Self-replicating spacecraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
19:21 pugs_svn r19081 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] yet more tracing
19:22 dlocaus moritz_: I think fglock's intro has passed into the /dev/null.
19:23 moritz_ if there ever was one
19:24 fglock I think the most early doc is docs/ANNOUNCE
19:25 fglock and the less readable docs/kindaperl6-spec.pod
19:26 pugs_svn r19082 | dlo++ | [kp6] minor update, perl 5.10rc2 works with kp6.
19:30 dlocaus reading these docs.
19:31 dlocaus brb &
19:35 pugs_svn r19083 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] recompiled Signature.pm; a bug was moved away
19:38 dlocaus fglock: should I move the biggers guide into FAQ.pod?
19:39 dlocaus doesn't quite seam to be the right place for it
19:40 [particle] why not something like docs/beginners_guide.pod ??
19:40 dlocaus [particle]: html gives me a lot more formating control
19:40 fglock i'm ok
19:40 dlocaus fglock: ?
19:41 [particle] ah, well .html, then :)
19:41 fglock please do
19:41 dlocaus fglock: ok
19:41 dlocaus fglock: do you want me to change FAQ.pod into FAQ.html?
19:41 fglock sure
19:41 moritz_ dlocaus: I think there's no need
19:41 moritz_ you can use pod2html or something if you want html
19:42 fglock and you can use a css for formatting
19:42 dlocaus pod2html supports css?
19:43 dlocaus ah, not in the manner I want.
19:43 dlocaus /I want/I was thinking of/
19:44 dlocaus moritz_: why do you perfer pod over html?
19:46 moritz_ dlocaus: it's better suited for documentation, I guess
19:46 moritz_ dlocaus: it's less overhead, and has everything you need
19:47 dlocaus humm, well, I'll convert FAQ.pod into pod format, and then see how it lokos
19:47 dlocaus looks
19:50 pugs_svn r19084 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] compilation update
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20:22 pugs_svn r19085 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] added some tracing for current bug
20:22 fglock Lisbon-pm meeting &
20:22 moritz_ fglock: have fun ;)
20:24 pugs_svn r19086 | dlo++ | [kp6] First pass.  Converted the text documentation (a brain dump) into Perl POD format.  I have also cleaned up the wording.
20:27 lichtkind fglock: hello is there something you want to tell me about kp6 or v6 if not i have some questions
20:27 Lorn lichtkind: test the tests :P
20:27 pugs_svn r19087 | dlo++ | [kp6] bookmarks.html was moved into FAQ.pod
20:27 lichtkind Lorn: i dont understand
20:28 Lorn lichtkind: if you are new, like me, run the tests from the t/ directory
20:28 Lorn ops
20:28 Lorn t/kp6/
20:28 moritz_ lichtkind: I can try ;)
20:29 lichtkind fglock: you can even edit my texts und http://www.perlfoundation.org/p​erl6/index.cgi?tutorial_history where im building an english mirror
20:29 lambdabot Title: Tutorial History / Perl 6
20:29 pugs_svn r19088 | dlo++ | [kp6] Removed link to bookmarks.html
20:29 lichtkind Lorn: do it was about some things slavio told me last time
20:30 Lorn lichtkind: ah, sorry
20:31 lichtkind Lorn: no problem
20:31 dlocaus what is redsix?
20:35 dlocaus never mind, I found it
20:39 dlocaus is also known as abrevated as: AKA? a.k.a. or A.K.A.?
20:39 dlocaus Do non-english speakers know what that abreviation stands for?
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20:40 moritz_ I'd write aka
20:40 moritz_ (but I'm not a native speaker)
20:40 dlocaus cool, that's the answer I was looking for
20:41 dlocaus moritz_: KindaPerl6 is hosted on pugscode.org, where is pugs hosted at?
20:41 dlocaus The Haskell interpitation
20:42 moritz_ dlocaus: on pugscode.org ;-)
20:42 dlocaus http://dev.pugscode.org/browser where?
20:42 lambdabot Title: / - Pugs - Trac
20:42 dlocaus or is the root?
20:43 moritz_ it's the root
20:43 moritz_ if you type "perl Makefile.PL; make", then pugs will be build
20:43 dlocaus ah ok
20:43 moritz_ .oO( if you have a whole lot of dependencies installed ,)
20:46 pugs_svn r19089 | dlo++ | [kp6] Another pass over the documentation.
20:48 dlocaus urk! my brain just overheated.  I'm going for a dog walk, back in 20m &
20:49 dlocaus ewww its raining
20:49 dlocaus back to documetation clean up
20:49 moritz_ lol
20:49 dlocaus moritz_: do you have any thoughts on the FAQ.pod?
20:49 moritz_ dlocaus: haven't read it yet, I was reading the new state of the onion ;)
20:49 dlocaus moritz_:  if you can, look at the FGLOCK questions...
20:50 dlocaus the new state of the onion?
20:50 moritz_ dlocaus: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2007/12/06/soto-11.html
20:50 lambdabot Title: perl.com: Programming is Hard, Let's Go Scripting...
20:52 moritz_ dlocaus: looks good, so far
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20:54 dlocaus "We've also seen the rise of PHP, which takes the worse-is-better approach to dazzling new depths"
20:54 dlocaus ha ha
21:12 pugs_svn r19090 | moritz++ | [kp6] a few clarifications in FAQ.pod
21:14 pugs_svn r19091 | dlo++ | [kp6] Another pass.
21:14 dlocaus lunch &
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21:35 dlocaus it stopped raining, dog walk &
21:44 dlocaus stupid weather.
21:51 pugs_svn r19092 | pmurias++ | [kp6] small changes to FAQ
21:58 pugs_svn r19093 | dlo++ | [kp6] merged beginners-guide.html into FAQ.pod
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22:54 pugs_svn r19094 | dlo++ | [kp6] Minor documentation changes.
22:54 dlocaus moritz_: can you think of anything else that should be documented?  -remember my linux box HD is being repaired.
22:55 moritz_ moritz_: not right now
22:58 dlocaus humm, ok
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