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cj |
http://rafb.net/p/6Dtmx222.html |
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lambdabot |
Title: Nopaste - No description |
| 00:04 |
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cj |
woe |
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cj |
where is U16_FWD_N_UNSAFE defined? |
| 00:06 |
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cj |
looks like it's defined by parrot... |
| 00:10 |
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* cj |
rings the "someone broke the parrot build" bell and turns on the spinny light |
| 00:10 |
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cj |
dlocaus: was it you? |
| 00:11 |
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dlocaus |
cj: sorry, don't work on parrot, just kp6 |
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cj |
so kay. I want to pin an "I broke the build" pin on someone :) |
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dlocaus |
:) |
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allbery_b |
svn blame? :) |
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cj |
I was just going to 'svn up -r PREV' a few times |
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cj |
23489 seems to work |
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Tene |
no svn-bisect? |
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Tene |
So, Perl 6-ish way to get a "deep copy" of an arbitrary data structure? |
| 01:07 |
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TimToady |
how "deep" is "deep"? |
| 01:08 |
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TimToady |
do you care if it becomes immutable? |
| 01:08 |
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TimToady |
do you care if any parts of it no longer refer to what they referred to before? |
| 01:09 |
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Tene |
Do you have a variety of convenient options for the different answers? |
| 01:09 |
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TimToady |
some bits of it are more convenient than others... :) |
| 01:09 |
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Tene |
If it has to be done manually, I can work something out myself to do it however I like. |
| 01:10 |
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Tene |
I'm curious about builtins and such. |
| 01:10 |
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Tene |
Having trouble finding relevant hits on 'copy' and 'clone' in the specs. |
| 01:10 |
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TimToady |
well, underlying all the "cmp" semantics is the assumption that there is some way to canonicalize, with various freeze/thaw associations |
| 01:10 |
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TimToady |
so doubtless there's some way to get at that someday |
| 01:10 |
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TimToady |
without perhaps going to the trouble of .freeze.thaw |
| 01:11 |
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TimToady |
but I don't think we've named it |
| 01:11 |
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TimToady |
clone is likely to be "one level down", as in "clone this object but not what it refers to" |
| 01:11 |
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Tene |
*nod* |
| 01:11 |
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TimToady |
immutable objects, of course, there's no differece, just copy the reference3 |
| 01:12 |
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TimToady |
and let the GC sort it out later :) |
| 01:13 |
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TimToady |
but basically, deep cloning is breaking all identity that isn't actual data... |
| 01:14 |
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TimToady |
which is the essential difference in meaning between eqv and === |
| 01:14 |
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TimToady |
=== is about identity, while eqv is about anti-identity |
| 01:14 |
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meppl |
good night |
| 01:16 |
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cj |
no, I'm wong that revision didn't work |
| 01:17 |
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TimToady |
I oversimplify, of course, since cloning should maintain internal identity relationships |
| 01:17 |
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cj |
TimToady: you familiar w/miniparrot? |
| 01:17 |
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TimToady |
nope |
| 01:18 |
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TimToady |
just as, if you freeze a tree of objects and then thaw it, you should get back the tree (only a different tree). |
| 01:18 |
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cj |
d'oh. I thought you were omniscient! |
| 01:18 |
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TimToady |
still remembering my kiboizing days, are you? |
| 01:19 |
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cj |
my dictionary doesn't even know what that means! |
| 01:20 |
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TimToady |
I'll bet google can find "kiboize" |
| 01:21 |
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cj |
cute |
| 01:21 |
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cj |
kiboze v. [Usenet] To {grep} the Usenet news for a string |
| 01:22 |
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cj |
I've been known to do that from time to time, too... |
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cj |
but not so much these days, what with carrying the http://xrl.us/bcfkv around |
| 01:26 |
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lambdabot |
Title: PA111421.JPG on Flickr - Photo Sharing! |
| 01:31 |
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TimToady |
wow, burned out all my cute circuits in an instant! |
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cj |
yay! |
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clkao |
win |
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TimToady |
I plan to... |
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neuromu_ |
has anyone here read the new edition of APUE? |
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TimToady |
Arctic Penguins Über Europe? |
| 03:00 |
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TimToady |
s/A/Anta/ |
| 03:02 |
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TimToady |
American People Understand English? |
| 03:03 |
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TimToady |
Apple Pie Undergoes Eugenics? |
| 03:03 |
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neuromu_ |
:D trying to save power by not using too many letters |
| 03:05 |
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TimToady |
Advanced Perl-User Engineering? |
| 03:05 |
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neuromu_ |
closer |
| 03:05 |
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TimToady |
Anthropic Principle Used Egregiously |
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neuromu_ |
Anarchic Program Utterance Engine |
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TimToady |
darn it, my wife just googled it... |
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neuromu_ |
no I was referring to the late W Richard Stevens book, updated by Steven Rago |
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neuromu_ |
s/v/ph/ |
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TimToady |
bbl & |
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pmurias |
@tell dlocaus file in KindaPerl6::Runtime::Perl6 are compiled by kp6 (script/kp6) not mp6 |
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lambdabot |
Consider it noted. |
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fglock |
obra: pong |
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nwc10 |
where are the !!! ??? and ... operators documented? |
| 10:52 |
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moritz_ |
in Operator.pod |
| 10:52 |
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moritz_ |
aka S03 |
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lichtkind |
moritz_: nicht in der subroutine pod? |
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nwc10 |
ah yes. |
| 10:57 |
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nwc10 |
but not in apocalypse 3 |
| 10:57 |
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nwc10 |
it's new, so I looked in the apocalypses :-) |
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moritz_ |
lichtkind: !!! occurs in S03, S06 and once in S02 |
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moritz_ |
nwc10: they are superseeded in large parts, so you should always consult the synopsis |
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nwc10 |
thanks |
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lichtkind |
seen: audreyt |
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lichtkind |
:seen audreyt |
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lichtkind |
!seen audreyt |
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moritz_ |
@seen audreyt |
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lambdabot |
audreyt is in #haskell and #ghc. I don't know when audreyt last spoke. |
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fglock |
hmm - removing code blocks from the grammar makes the perl5rx work |
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fglock |
s/perl5rx/perl5rx backend/ |
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moritz_ |
fglock: did you read my p5p post and the answers? |
| 12:31 |
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fglock |
looking |
| 12:32 |
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moritz_ |
If it's doing something complex within an RE eval (especially if it |
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moritz_ |
involves cloning anon subs), then I'm not suprised that something broke. |
| 12:32 |
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moritz_ |
(?{...}) is still totally borked as far as pads and closures go. Still on |
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moritz_ |
my list of things... |
| 12:32 |
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moritz_ |
from Dave Mitchell |
| 12:34 |
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moritz_ |
http://www.nntp.perl.org/group[…]12/msg131339.html # only Nicholas' answer so far, Dave's isn't HTMLed yet, it seems |
| 12:34 |
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lambdabot |
Title: Re: Segmentation faults in blead perl (r32579) - nntp.perl.org, http://tinyurl.com/2brwrz |
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fglock |
I'm now looking for an alternative implementation |
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fglock |
removing the closures did fix the problem, but this also removes BEGIN |
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ting_ |
http://tinyurl.com/2brwrz |
| 12:49 |
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lambdabot |
Title: Re: Segmentation faults in blead perl (r32579) - nntp.perl.org |
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fglock |
it's possible to remove lots of anon subs, but the Pad structure still depends heavily on closures |
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nothingmuch |
@seen pmurias |
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lambdabot |
I saw pmurias leaving #perl6 3h 34m 21s ago, and . |
| 14:21 |
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nothingmuch |
@tell pmurias message back re email |
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lambdabot |
Consider it noted. |
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pugs_svn |
r19065 | fglock++ | [MiniPerl6] implemented make() |
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pmurias |
nothingmuch: pong |
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lambdabot |
pmurias: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. |
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pmurias |
fglock: the Pads could be replaced by scopes |
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pmurias |
* Scopes |
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fglock |
pmurias: yes, but we need to implement Closure first |
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fglock |
which is a bit hard |
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pmurias |
fglock: why is it hard? |
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pugs_svn |
r19066 | fglock++ | [kp6-perl5] started make() implementation |
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fglock |
you need to detect which variables are used in the block, and then do the Closure object with it's Scope |
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fglock |
we need it for kp6-in-C, anyway |
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pmurias |
i thought it $scope_level_3 = Scope.new(outer=>$scope_level_2); at the start of each block |
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pmurias |
* it is |
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fglock |
you need to create the Scope when you instantiate the Code object, well before .APPLY is called |
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fglock |
so that you can have Code parameters |
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fglock |
what is the purpose of ExtractRuleBlock? it seems to be messing up the scope of make() |
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pmurias |
it splits code blocks as seperate methods |
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pmurias |
so they don't have to be serialised and reparsed by Token |
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pugs_svn |
r19067 | pmurias++ | [kp6] a proposal how code could be translated to use Scope |
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pmurias |
fglock: is there anything wrong with the approach i suggest in the commit? |
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pmurias |
besides performance |
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fglock |
looking |
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fglock |
the "a" in the inner scope must be a clone of the outer "a", |
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fglock |
try this: print foo()->(),"\n"; |
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fglock |
it will print "1" every time |
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pmurias |
fglock: the perl5 version print 2,3,4 |
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pmurias |
* prints |
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pugs_svn |
r19068 | fglock++ | [kp6] executable scope example |
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fglock |
it works here, please see last commit |
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fglock |
one sec, I'll change it a bit |
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pmurias |
fglock: i get it |
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pmurias |
(the script dosn't work though) |
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pugs_svn |
r19069 | fglock++ | [kp6] fixed last commit |
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fglock |
pmurias: I think you are right |
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fglock |
I fixed the script |
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pmurias |
should script/kp6 misc/scope_proposal.p6 work? |
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fglock |
sorry, I thought it was perl5 code |
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pmurias |
fglock: no problem |
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fglock |
perl misc/... |
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pmurias |
fglock: it returns 42 if my is moved into the sub |
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fglock |
that's because it is using the newly created "my $a" |
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pmurias |
fglock: yes |
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pmurias |
fglock: the scope can be created at APPLY time |
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fglock |
pmurias: you need to allow for INIT blocks |
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fglock |
which happen before APPLY |
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pmurias |
fglock: can INIT blocks set lexical variables? |
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fglock |
yes |
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pmurias |
fglock: maybe runtime Scopes and compile Scopes are seperate? |
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fglock |
they are the same - BEGIN can also set lexicals |
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fglock |
$ perl -e 'my $x; INIT{ $x=42 }; print "$x\n"; ' |
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pmurias |
fglock: i view the setting of lexicals at BEGIN time as setting defaults |
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pugs_svn |
r19070 | fglock++ | [kp6-perl5] workaround ExtractRuleBlock for make() |
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fglock |
$ perl -e 'use strict; sub s1 { my $x; INIT{ $x=42 }; print "> $x\n"; } s1(); s1(); print "done\n"; ' |
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pmurias |
eval: use strict; sub s1 { my $x; INIT{ $x=42 }; print "> $x\n"; } s1(); s1(); print "done\n" |
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moritz_ |
no buubot, it seems |
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pmurias |
$ perl -e 'use strict; sub s1 { my $x=7; INIT{ $x=42 }; print "> $x\n"; } s1(); s1(); print "done\n"; |
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fglock |
$x=7 happens at apply time (later than INIT) |
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pugs_svn |
r19071 | fglock++ | [kp6] s/return/make/ in regex tests |
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Lorn |
fglock: i try to mount a Makefile.PL that install all modules for KindaPerl6 |
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Lorn |
fglock: like "install v6-alpha" from cpan :P |
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Lorn |
fglock: i have some problems to install it :P |
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fglock |
Lorn: kp6 does have a cpan distro, did you try that? |
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pmurias |
Lorn: you mean you tired perl Makefile.pl;make;make install? |
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pugs_svn |
r19072 | fglock++ | [kp6] s/return/make/ in the Grammar |
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Lorn |
fglock: yes, i checkout in a new linux install |
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Lorn |
pmurias: yes, i want to do this for the KindaPerl6 module |
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Lorn |
the pugs/trunk/ have a Makefile.PL but that need ghc |
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fglock |
you might need to fix Makefile.PL, it has mostly been used for building kp6, but nobody is using it for installing yet |
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fglock |
pugs/trunk/v6/v6-KindaPerl6/Makefile.PL |
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fglock |
Lorn: "make install" is untested |
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Lorn |
fglock: i done the checkout here, and does not exists this file |
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fglock |
Lorn: if defined( $GLOBAL::_REGEX_RETURN_ ) { |
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fglock |
oops |
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fglock |
http://svn.pugscode.org/pugs/v6/v6-KindaPerl6/ |
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lambdabot |
Title: Revision 19072: /v6/v6-KindaPerl6 |
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Lorn |
fglock: ops |
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Lorn |
fglock: i did from svn.perl.org/perl6/ :P |
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Lorn |
the mirror of pugscode in perl.org seems not sync ... |
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Lorn |
fglock: the kp6 compile , after make, is on blib/script ? |
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fglock |
not sure, but you can touch some files and see how it recompiles |
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Lorn |
fglock: well, the hello.pl compiles with blib/script/kp6 |
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moritz_ |
Lorn: if you want to compile and execute a script, use ./script/kp6 |
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moritz_ |
it has some POD documentation as well |
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Lorn |
moritz_: works for me when i execute from pugs/v6/v6-KindaPerl6/ |
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moritz_ |
that's how you're supposed to use it, yes ;) |
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pugs_svn |
r19073 | fglock++ | [kp6-perl5rx] implemented make() |
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Lorn |
how i compile .p6 files? |
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pugs_svn |
r19074 | fglock++ | [kp5-perl5rx] code blocks inside regexes no longer create anon subs |
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fglock |
$ perl script/kp6 -e ' say "hi, Lorn!" ' |
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Lorn |
fglock: i was talking about examples/*.p6 |
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fglock |
better start with t/kp6/* |
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fglock |
perl script/kp6 t/kp6/... |
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Lorn |
fglock: ok, thanks |
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fglock |
recompiling KP6-BOOT with the new perl5rx... |
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fglock |
Lorn: there are several command line switches, see the POD in script/kp6 |
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pugs_svn |
r19075 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] recompiled with new perl5rx backend; test now #7 hangs |
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fglock |
i mean - "test #7 now hangs" |
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r19076 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] fixed make() |
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fglock |
"ok 11" - no segfault here :) |
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moritz_ |
make is the return in regex, right? |
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fglock |
yes |
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fglock |
moritz_: would you test it again? |
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moritz_ |
fglock: I'm at it right now ;) |
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fglock |
test #12 fails, that's ok |
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moritz_ |
works both with 5.8.8 and 5.10.0! |
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moritz_ |
fglock++ |
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moritz_ |
perl++ |
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moritz_ |
world++ |
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fglock |
yay! |
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DarkWolf84 |
perl 5.10 ? |
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DarkWolf84 |
is it ready yet |
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rgs |
RC3 soon, likely to be the last one |
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fglock |
the workaround was to avoid creating anon subs inside regexes |
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nothingmuch |
/w 18 |
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fglock |
moritz_: thanks for asking p5p support - that helped a lot |
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moritz_ |
fglock: you're welcome |
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moritz_ |
I'll probably migrate the irclog database in the next 30minutes, so irc logging and the websites might be unavailable for a while |
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Topic for #perl6is now http://pugscode.org/ | nopaste: http://sial.org/pbot/perl6 | ?eval [~] <m oo se> | We do Haskell, too | > reverse . show $ foldl1 (*) [1..4] | irclog: http://irc.pugscode.org/ |
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Topic for #perl6is now http://pugscode.org/ | nopaste: http://sial.org/pbot/perl6 | ?eval [~] <m oo se> | We do Haskell, too | > reverse . show $ foldl1 (*) [1..4] | irclog: http://irc.pugscode.org/ |
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[particle] |
sure, http://svn.perl.org/parrot/branches/punie-devel |
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lambdabot |
Title: Revision 23543: /branches/punie-devel |
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fglock |
the non-perl6 part of kp6 is getting smaller each day :) |
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[particle] |
or you can subscribe to the svn commit rss feed |
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[particle] |
fglock++ |
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obra |
fglock: very cool |
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fglock |
obra: it's probably too late to get sponsoring, but I'll take a look |
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moritz_ |
logging is back, a few lines went to /dev/null, though |
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obra |
fglock: pmichaud said he can change flights if nessecary |
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fglock |
obra: kp6-bootstrapped is now working on perl5 regexes, which should be quite faster |
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obra |
very nice |
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fglock |
a hackathon in Lisbon would be great :) |
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obra |
I'll be sure to mention it |
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obra |
[particle]: you branch all of parrot for work on one language dir? |
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[particle] |
no, i branched parrot, then svn switch inside languages/punie |
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[particle] |
it's possible, however unlikely, that i'll need to modify the compiler toolkit, so i'd rather be safe and branch the whole repo |
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[particle] |
so, to watch, you can cd languages/punie && svn switch http://svn.perl.org/parrot/bra[…]l/languages/punie |
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lambdabot |
Title: Revision 23543: /branches/punie-devel/languages/punie |
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dlocaus |
hello! |
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lambdabot |
dlocaus: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. |
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moritz_ |
hi dlocaus |
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dlocaus |
my hard drive is still out, it got "imaged" 99% yesterday, and I'll find out sometime between 3-4 today if there are any results... |
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dlocaus |
is there anything you guys want documented & reformated? |
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moritz_ |
good luck! |
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dlocaus |
moritz_: :), yes... I hope so. |
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dlocaus |
I'm thinking about getting an rsync.net account. But, G-Storable (google drives) may be coming out soon. |
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fglock |
obra: i sent a note to $boss - let's see |
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dlocaus |
fglock: is there anything that would be worht documenting? |
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obra |
fglock: excellent. |
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obra |
dlocaus: maybe a new tutorial? |
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dlocaus |
fglock: my (linux) harddrive is still out for repairs |
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dlocaus |
obra: a tutorial containing what? |
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obra |
or improving the current "intro to kp6" docs? |
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obra |
"how to get it running and start improving it" is my usual hobby horse ;) |
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dlocaus |
obra: humm, well, some of kp6 will be going by the way side once onion gets going. |
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dlocaus |
obra: and I've been a bit heistant about getting it to run and everything, because I don't have a linux box (something to run make against) to test what I write against what works :) |
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[particle] |
see feather. |
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dlocaus |
obra: I've begun a beginners guide containning some of the stuff I've run into... |
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dlocaus |
http://dev.pugscode.org/browse[…]inners-guide.html |
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lambdabot |
Title: /v6/v6-KindaPerl6/docs/beginners-guide.html - Pugs - Trac, http://tinyurl.com/392x43 |
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fglock |
dlocaus: re compilation language, |
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fglock |
the files in Runtime/Perl6/ are compiled by kp6 itself, |
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fglock |
all other Perl 6 files are currently compiled by mp6 |
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fglock |
"bootstrapping" means we will be able to compile those files with kp6 too |
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dlocaus |
fglock: pmuaris said the same thing too, but I remember that "make forcerecompile" compiled some files around that area. |
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dlocaus |
and make used mp6.pl to do it. |
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dlocaus |
I've added it to my local todo list to check it out once I get my linux box up and going |
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* dlocaus |
stupid harddrive. - cries. |
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Lorn |
fglock: kp6 works fine, and i dont need to install any cpan module :) |
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Lorn |
t/kp6/ its cool too |
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fglock |
script/kp6 is used for Runtime/Perl6/*, and mp6 is used elsewhere |
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fglock |
the KP6-BOOT target uses script/kp6 for everything |
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pugs_svn |
r19077 | dlo++ | [kp6] updated documentation. Mostly clarification and minor corrections. |
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fglock |
Lorn: :) |
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pugs_svn |
r19078 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] added debugging info for failing test |
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pugs_svn |
r19079 | dlo++ | [kp6] Cleaned up formatting. |
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pugs_svn |
r19080 | dlo++ | [kp6] always just one more little change... |
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dlocaus |
@seen dlo |
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lambdabot |
I haven't seen dlo. |
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fglock |
dlo is away, he had a hardware problem |
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[particle] |
:) |
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dlocaus |
:) |
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dlocaus |
I've still got my trusty windows box :) |
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dlocaus |
obra: is there an existing guide for "kp6" that I should update? |
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[particle] |
yes, compared to the software, that hardware is *stable* |
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* moritz_ |
cursed his hardware again and again in the last few weeks |
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moritz_ |
is there nothing better to run software on? |
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moritz_ |
something that's cheep and works? |
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dlocaus |
your brain... it runs on carrots! |
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moritz_ |
dlocaus: but that's no Von Neumann architecture |
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dlocaus |
has an active life cycle of 75 years, 85 if you treat it right. |
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obra |
dlocaus: I'm sadly not the right person to answer that :/ |
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dlocaus |
obra: humm ok. |
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obra |
I know that fglock has blogged an intro before to the pugs blog |
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obra |
it may make sense to grab that, commit and update it |
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dlocaus |
obra: do you know where it is? |
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* fglock |
scratches head |
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moritz_ |
if there is one, you can find it here: http://pugs.blogs.com/pugs/ |
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lambdabot |
Title: Pugs |
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dlocaus |
moritz_: the human brain is most certainly Von Neumann... a von Neumann probe! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_Probe |
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lambdabot |
Title: Self-replicating spacecraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
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pugs_svn |
r19081 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] yet more tracing |
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dlocaus |
moritz_: I think fglock's intro has passed into the /dev/null. |
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moritz_ |
if there ever was one |
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fglock |
I think the most early doc is docs/ANNOUNCE |
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fglock |
and the less readable docs/kindaperl6-spec.pod |
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pugs_svn |
r19082 | dlo++ | [kp6] minor update, perl 5.10rc2 works with kp6. |
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dlocaus |
reading these docs. |
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dlocaus |
brb & |
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pugs_svn |
r19083 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] recompiled Signature.pm; a bug was moved away |
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dlocaus |
fglock: should I move the biggers guide into FAQ.pod? |
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dlocaus |
doesn't quite seam to be the right place for it |
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[particle] |
why not something like docs/beginners_guide.pod ?? |
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dlocaus |
[particle]: html gives me a lot more formating control |
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fglock |
i'm ok |
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dlocaus |
fglock: ? |
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[particle] |
ah, well .html, then :) |
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fglock |
please do |
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dlocaus |
fglock: ok |
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dlocaus |
fglock: do you want me to change FAQ.pod into FAQ.html? |
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fglock |
sure |
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moritz_ |
dlocaus: I think there's no need |
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moritz_ |
you can use pod2html or something if you want html |
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fglock |
and you can use a css for formatting |
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dlocaus |
pod2html supports css? |
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dlocaus |
ah, not in the manner I want. |
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dlocaus |
/I want/I was thinking of/ |
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dlocaus |
moritz_: why do you perfer pod over html? |
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moritz_ |
dlocaus: it's better suited for documentation, I guess |
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moritz_ |
dlocaus: it's less overhead, and has everything you need |
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dlocaus |
humm, well, I'll convert FAQ.pod into pod format, and then see how it lokos |
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dlocaus |
looks |
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pugs_svn |
r19084 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] compilation update |
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pugs_svn |
r19085 | fglock++ | [kp6-kp6] added some tracing for current bug |
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fglock |
Lisbon-pm meeting & |
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moritz_ |
fglock: have fun ;) |
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pugs_svn |
r19086 | dlo++ | [kp6] First pass. Converted the text documentation (a brain dump) into Perl POD format. I have also cleaned up the wording. |
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lichtkind |
fglock: hello is there something you want to tell me about kp6 or v6 if not i have some questions |
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Lorn |
lichtkind: test the tests :P |
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pugs_svn |
r19087 | dlo++ | [kp6] bookmarks.html was moved into FAQ.pod |
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lichtkind |
Lorn: i dont understand |
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Lorn |
lichtkind: if you are new, like me, run the tests from the t/ directory |
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Lorn |
ops |
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Lorn |
t/kp6/ |
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moritz_ |
lichtkind: I can try ;) |
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lichtkind |
fglock: you can even edit my texts und http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]?tutorial_history where im building an english mirror |
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lambdabot |
Title: Tutorial History / Perl 6 |
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pugs_svn |
r19088 | dlo++ | [kp6] Removed link to bookmarks.html |
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lichtkind |
Lorn: do it was about some things slavio told me last time |
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Lorn |
lichtkind: ah, sorry |
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lichtkind |
Lorn: no problem |
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dlocaus |
what is redsix? |
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dlocaus |
never mind, I found it |
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dlocaus |
is also known as abrevated as: AKA? a.k.a. or A.K.A.? |
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dlocaus |
Do non-english speakers know what that abreviation stands for? |
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moritz_ |
I'd write aka |
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moritz_ |
(but I'm not a native speaker) |
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dlocaus |
cool, that's the answer I was looking for |
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dlocaus |
moritz_: KindaPerl6 is hosted on pugscode.org, where is pugs hosted at? |
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dlocaus |
The Haskell interpitation |
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moritz_ |
dlocaus: on pugscode.org ;-) |
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dlocaus |
http://dev.pugscode.org/browser where? |
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lambdabot |
Title: / - Pugs - Trac |
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dlocaus |
or is the root? |
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moritz_ |
it's the root |
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moritz_ |
if you type "perl Makefile.PL; make", then pugs will be build |
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dlocaus |
ah ok |
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moritz_ |
.oO( if you have a whole lot of dependencies installed ,) |
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pugs_svn |
r19089 | dlo++ | [kp6] Another pass over the documentation. |
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dlocaus |
urk! my brain just overheated. I'm going for a dog walk, back in 20m & |
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dlocaus |
ewww its raining |
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dlocaus |
back to documetation clean up |
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moritz_ |
lol |
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dlocaus |
moritz_: do you have any thoughts on the FAQ.pod? |
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moritz_ |
dlocaus: haven't read it yet, I was reading the new state of the onion ;) |
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dlocaus |
moritz_: if you can, look at the FGLOCK questions... |
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dlocaus |
the new state of the onion? |
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moritz_ |
dlocaus: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2007/12/06/soto-11.html |
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lambdabot |
Title: perl.com: Programming is Hard, Let's Go Scripting... |
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moritz_ |
dlocaus: looks good, so far |
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dlocaus |
"We've also seen the rise of PHP, which takes the worse-is-better approach to dazzling new depths" |
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dlocaus |
ha ha |
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pugs_svn |
r19090 | moritz++ | [kp6] a few clarifications in FAQ.pod |
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pugs_svn |
r19091 | dlo++ | [kp6] Another pass. |
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dlocaus |
lunch & |
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dlocaus |
it stopped raining, dog walk & |
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dlocaus |
stupid weather. |
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pugs_svn |
r19092 | pmurias++ | [kp6] small changes to FAQ |
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pugs_svn |
r19093 | dlo++ | [kp6] merged beginners-guide.html into FAQ.pod |
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r19094 | dlo++ | [kp6] Minor documentation changes. |
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dlocaus |
moritz_: can you think of anything else that should be documented? -remember my linux box HD is being repaired. |
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moritz_ |
moritz_: not right now |
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dlocaus |
humm, ok |
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