Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2008-03-15

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00:29 TimToady I am home from the hospital, and now recovering from that...
00:31 TimToady while I was there I got 4 units of blood, a CT scan (negative), and an upper endoscopy (also negative)
00:31 araujo mmm...
00:31 allbery_b whee
00:31 araujo TimToady, what happened to you? (if I may ask)
00:32 TimToady severe anemia, probably from bleeding somewhere
00:32 araujo ouch :-(
00:32 TimToady but it's not a reoccurance of my GIST tumor of 4.5 years ago
00:32 TimToady nor is is stomach ulcers, so possibly ulcers farther down
00:33 TimToady (which is easy to do when you don't have a valve on the bottom of your stomach...)
00:34 araujo :-(
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00:34 TimToady anyway, I'll have more tests over the coming weeks
00:36 araujo TimToady, hope you get well
00:36 TimToady well, I'm certainly less anemic at the moment, after 4 units...
00:36 TimToady but that's not a good long-term solution
00:41 TimToady and being less anemic, it's even possible I'll be thinking more clearly (or rather, less unclearly :)
00:41 * diakopter envisions spec reversions
00:42 * TimToady snorts
00:42 araujo TimToady, it's perl ... nobody blames you no matter what :-)
00:42 TimToady s/no/every/
00:42 araujo hah
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00:58 Juerd TimToady: I had no idea you were in hospital; glad to see you're relatively okay
00:58 mncharity "scandal in the software development community - whole blood transfusion and oxygenation as a strategy for higher performance coding"
00:59 mncharity glad you're out.  sorry cause is still unknown.
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01:01 Juerd mncharity: Well, having oxygen in your blood does certainly help :)
01:02 * Juerd has light hemolytic anemia from time to time
01:03 Juerd (caused by G6PD deficiency)
01:03 Juerd In short, it sucks.
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01:03 TimToady vaguely possible mine is hemolytic, and they've just mistaken it for bleeding
01:04 TimToady not sure if they're run all the tests that would distinguish it
01:05 Juerd If it's hemolytic you certainly want to know the cause. The same thing could occur again, and maybe result in a hemolytic crisis
01:06 Juerd There's food and drugs that I should avoid.
01:07 Juerd Including bitter lemon, which I really like
01:07 Juerd Urgh, 2am already. Should try to sleep.
01:08 Juerd Good night!
01:08 diakopter good night Juerd
01:08 Juerd Or, er, whichever time of day you have there.
01:11 mncharity sometimes web coverage just doesn't have a single good source
01:11 mncharity goodnight Juerd
01:11 mncharity http://www.healthsystem.virginia.ed​u/uvahealth/adult_blood/glucose.cfm http://www.medicinenet.com/​g6pd_deficiency/article.htm http://rialto.com/g6pd/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucose-​6-phosphate_dehydrogenase_deficiency
01:11 lambdabot http://tinyurl.com/2f5dvd
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01:13 mncharity pitty p5 doesn't have a scannerless GLR parser.  python has dparser.  we don't seem to even have a GLR.  :/
01:14 mncharity i suppose someone could wrap http://dparser.sourceforge.net/ for cpan... anyone... :)
01:14 lambdabot Title: D Parser Homepage
01:19 kolibrie mncharity: regarding PCR - fglock wrote lrep, then formalized that into PCR, then redesigned a little bit as MP6, then started KP6
01:20 kolibrie so PCR gets no love because it was only a stepping stone
01:20 kolibrie however, I run PCR in production (well backend, but for production stuff)
01:21 kolibrie I plan on re-examining what is out there to see if I should migrate to something better/faster
01:26 mncharity kolibrie: ah, interesting.  thanks.
01:27 mncharity hmm, I wonder if I should hack a PCR compatibility class for yet_another_regex_engine, just to see if there would be interest in a cleaned up yare as a cpan module.
01:27 mncharity any idea how widely used PCR is?  /me goes to see if cpan has download stats...
01:28 kolibrie mncharity: I doubt many people use it - I may be the only one!
01:29 kolibrie I just submitted my talk proposal for YAPC::NA 2008, so we'll see if they have interest in Practical Extraction with Perl6
01:32 mncharity apparently cpan http://www.cpan.org/misc/cpan-​faq.html#Plans_for_statistics doesn't have download stats as policy.  pointing to http://xxx.lanl.gov/help/faq/statfaq .
01:32 lambdabot Title: The CPAN Frequently Asked Questions
01:33 mncharity which I can see.  though it might be nice to have some way for people to note which modules they value.  which would address some, but not all, of the lanl concerns.  and would help in cases like this.
01:33 mncharity re "Practical Extraction with Perl6", :)
01:34 kolibrie search.cpan.org has ratings
01:34 mncharity true.  ok, maybe solved problem.  PCR unfortunately has no ratings.
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01:36 kolibrie TimToady has been working on something or other to help him work out the kinks in STD.pm, but I have not looked at it yet
01:38 mncharity yes.  there's now a src/perl6/STD5_run to make it easy to play with.
01:40 mncharity there's also misc/STD_red/STD_red_run.  but it's a bit out of sync, and hasn't attempted to do the @fate DFA stuff.
01:41 mncharity looks like PCR compatibility for yare could cost a day or so.  ah well.  if there's real interest, let me know.
01:43 mncharity kolibrie: it might be worth adding a rating, mentioning you are using it in production.  thus bumping it over the "there's no sign anyone has every even tried to use this, let alone succeeded" threshold.
01:43 kolibrie well, I never used the CPAN version, just the one in the pugs repo
01:44 kolibrie and if I find a better alternative, I'll switch off of it (PCR is rather slow)
01:45 kolibrie mncharity: I suppose I could add my comments, to at least say the good and the bad
01:46 mncharity the svn log suggests the cpan module is built from the pugs repo.
01:46 kolibrie probably true
01:47 mncharity re comments, "at least say the good and the bad", I think that would be neat.  I'd love to hear that myself.
01:47 kolibrie I am not sure there has been a CPAN release of PCR since some of the stuff I needed was added
01:48 kolibrie and the syntax I'm sure is not current with the p6 spec any more
01:53 mncharity kolibrie: ok, cpan 0.28 looks the same as pugs head.  cpan has a META.yml, pugs has t6/ and temp/ and t.sh.
01:54 mncharity :)
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01:54 mncharity diff -u -r deleteme/Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.28 SVN-pugs/perl5/Pugs-Compiler-Rule/|grep -v '\.svn'
01:56 mncharity re 'the good and the bad', what turned out to be the good and the bad?  highlights?
01:56 kolibrie mncharity: it was the first implementation that actually worked
01:57 kolibrie pugs was close, but it still had some problems
01:58 kolibrie plus, I could use it in production because it compiles down to perl5 automatically
01:58 kolibrie that way I can pretend it is perl5 (at a system level) but use the perl6 syntax
01:58 mncharity right
01:59 kolibrie the big bad is that it is very slow
01:59 kolibrie but correct was more important than fast, so I've been using it for about two years
02:01 mncharity re popularity, http://popcon.debian.org/ 's http://popcon.debian.org/source/by_inst.gz | grep perl  might be a proxy stat.
02:01 lambdabot Title: Debian Popularity Contest
02:03 mncharity well yare would certainly be much faster.  whether it would be more or less correct than PCR, good question.
02:05 mncharity probably both. :)
02:06 kolibrie so, I have some sifting to do, but I should be able to get to it soon.  I'm finishing up a rather consuming project at work
02:07 * kolibrie heads to bed
02:08 mncharity g'night
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02:34 mncharity good night all &
02:41 spinclad g'night putter++
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14:36 diakopter pugs: say 'hi'
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14:39 pasteling "pugsbot_r17185" at 193.200.132.135 pasted "Pugs build failure" (6 lines, 278B) at http://sial.org/pbot/30544
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14:39 diakopter pugs say 'hi'
14:39 diakopter pugs: say 'hi'
14:39 diakopter eval: say 'hi'
14:40 diakopter moritz_: ping
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20:32 raydower Interesting chart.
20:32 raydower http://finance.google.ca/finance?q=TSE:OSPTX%20I​NDEXDJX:.DJI%20INDEXNASDAQ:.IXIC%20INDEXSP:.INX
20:32 lambdabot Title: TSE:OSPTX INDEXDJX:.DJI INDEXNASDAQ:.IXIC INDEXSP:.INX - Google Finance Search, http://tinyurl.com/32cwr3
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20:37 raydower In fact, the TSE is the best performing exchange in the world these days.
20:38 raydower And has been for the past decade.
20:38 raydower I was telling Americans 3 months ago to sell off their equities.
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21:02 pmurias if i want to write a daemon mode (running across multiple compiler runs) for kp6 is there any protocol i should use?
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21:05 pmurias or is having a compiler deamon frowned upon?
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21:11 spinclad i see nothing wrong with it.  i might look at emacs or mozilla daemons, to see how they accept new requests...  generally, though, i think reasonable would be: listen for a connection, take a command line, then further stdin from the connection.  multithreading optional as able.
21:13 spinclad passing back status, stdout, stderr... dunno off the top of my head
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21:15 pmurias spinclad: i'll try to get something simple working reasonably elegantly first
21:15 spinclad (or, yeesh, check CPAN of course.  duh.)
21:15 spinclad sure
21:17 pmurias spinclad: do you know anything similiar on CPAN?
21:18 pmurias shower&
21:18 spinclad no, haven't looked yet.  IPC::something maybe.
21:18 spinclad or ...::Daemon...
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21:34 spinclad look at Net::Daemon (or IPC::Run3 or Net::EasyTCP or Netserver::Generic) ...
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21:40 spinclad s/Netserver/NetServer/
21:41 spinclad going by likely debian packages installed here
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21:45 pmurias spinclad: thanks, i'll try Net::EasyTCP and Net::Deamon later, i'll stay with IP::Socket for now
21:46 spinclad yw
21:49 pmurias now focusing on implementing everything in a semi-civilised manner ;)
21:50 spinclad (or PlRPC maybe)
21:51 spinclad (uses Net::Daemon, used by DBI)
21:52 spinclad anyway, brainstorm dump mode.  take what you will.
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23:16 pkrumins eval:
23:16 pkrumins eval: "this is perl 6 code"
23:22 pkrumins Is there a Perl 6 eval bot?
23:22 diakopter pkrumins: there was...
23:22 diakopter it's on hiatus for a bit
23:23 diakopter moritz_: you around
23:23 pkrumins kk
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